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This! I’d love to know if I had it because then hopefully I could worry less about infecting my vulnerable relatives but also provide more help to them and others with less risk. i can also reassure my work that I’m fine to do the things I need to do to help keep the business running

For real? I have a similar issue in my groin / hip region that's been lingering since January. The pain is quite deep in that region, not like a surface pain and thought it was possibly psoas or something. i've got a physio appointment Friday That could be complete coincendance because I do a lot of weightlifting and running, so very possibly just a tight muscle...

I posted this in the politics thread. I had terrible flu just before xmas, completely bed/sofa ridden for 4-5 days. One day fine, next day even went to the gym in the morning then within an hour went from fine to couldn't move off the sofa, no energy at all. It started on a Sunday, finally felt better by about Thursday then Friday night it struck me down again for another 2 days. Most people I had prolonged contact with were ill too, partner came down ill a week or so later but not quite at the same level. Her dad who is an "at risk" person was hospitalised with suspected pneumonia / chest infection. My nan, in the same bracket and is house bound, also hospitalised with almost the exact same symptoms as him. Could be coincedance but it definitely makes sense if this thing was around longer than people think - but at the same time, its winter and these are also typical flu symptoms.

I think breifings and one-way updates work ok over VC, but always hated having meetings that require debate over VC, especially mutli-office or with some people in a room and some over the video link. There's always a delay and it's always hard to get a word in / get your point across. In my opinion anyway

I know someone working in sales for a printers in Bath and still being sent out meeting clients, shaking hands etc. Some companies just dont give a stuff about "advice"

I agree people need supplies, maybe shouldn't have mentioned supermarkets but was surprised how many people were there considering "social distancing" measures (none of that going on) Seems Boris has took another change of direction and the NHS are now going to test 25000 people per day

I wonder if part of the problem is relying on / trusting the general public to do the right thing? They cant be trusted to not stock pile toilet paper ffs how can they be trusted to stay home and bunker down? Whilst people are still "allowed" to make their own choices, I cant see how the spreading will stop. There's still companies that at best arent encouraging home working (at worst, preventing it). There's still people going to pubs, bars, restaurants. Gyms are still open. The supermarkets are still full of people. We aren't testing anyone so we wont even know when the numbers die down. Any figures now need to be taken with a pinch of salt as they are likely higher than reported.

True, but its the only thing they could do. I've been trying for several years to get tickets so would have been annoyed if they didn't - though I realise there's more important things to be annoyed about

That's not why football was initially cancelled, though the government advice obviously changed since. Why would emergency services be required for a game behind closed doors? Other than potentially medical staff

Genuine question. How does a government create a plan, and control a pandemic when it's stopped testing the general public? If you don't know how many cases there are, how do you know when it truly slows? Following yesterday's post about my mother, she was told not to contact 111 or Doctors, as per the general guidance, so she wont know if she has it, and nor will the people collecting the data. Also, she could now quarantine for 14 days as per advice, then turn out she only had an agressive cold (she has lower immune system due to cancer in the past) and then still be likely to actually catch it? Likewise, myself (back in work today ?) could quarantine for 2 weeks thinking I've been around someone with symptoms when I haven't and then we're still at risk. I think i'd rather have it ASAP, quarantine and get it done with than the unknown with vulnerable people around me. I also realise the NHS/GPs probably dont have capacity to test the amount of people required. I just couldn't understand how you manage it without knowing the figures?

This. my mum called me today, sent home from work for having a fever and cough. I’ve been with her this weekend and last, so work sent me home this afternoon (To work from home) after the call. I then got an email saying one of the directors has suggested if I have no symptoms myself I should come back to work tomorrow! My partners also got a temperature though no other symptoms of yet. All a little too close to home now - for someone who admittedly thought they’d have little chance of catching it

To be fair, lots of it going on over social media, particularly twitter. Depending what you define as the thirld world, it has hit them? Many parts of Africa have confirmed cases.

I’d agree that he will be scrutinised either way. I’ve said a few times I’m not a fan but won’t criticise him for following some sort of expert advice (even if it’s different to other expert advice) I think it’s easy to make assumptions about why he hasn’t forced closures, I’m really not sure how I feel about it as someone who’d rather have the choice of what I do and be trusted to act like a responsible human rather than be forced into actions. However there are people who will ignore this advice if they aren’t forced into action, so I think it will happen eventually.

And pay some taxes while he's at it

Well the sick man tag was relative to our financial position before joining the EU, though if the government get this wrong (who by the way I have said I am trusting on this one despite not being a fan) then we could well be seeing more sickness than our neighbours I didn't bring it up, simply replying to someone why it's nonsense to say "we were ok before the EU so we'll be ok after" completely different times.

Do we really have to get into that? Pre-EU Britain was very different. I wouldn't call 2 world wars and being nicknamed the "sick man" of Europe (could be appropriate in a couple of weeks) something to look back on fondly and strive towards Or did you mean the British Empire?

Not sure, came across more conspiracy theorist than ITK to me

Worrying use of words like “will” rather than “could”

Euros are being postponed, sponsors have been informed

Yep agreed and to be honest at the time I’d probably consider what my partner had as a “bad” cold rather than flu, but it did last much longer than usual. Mine unfortunately was flu, like you say bed/sofa ridden for 4-5 days before I could even face stepping outside! didnt realise the flu jab percentage was as low as that

See I’ve heard lots of stories of this, it’s definitely seeing two completely separate family members in the same type of “at risk” category coincidentally getting the same nasty chest infection (put them both in hospital) that made me think. Happy to be shot down, like you say it’s winter and people get flu but I know people who had it despite having the flu jab so potentially a different strain to what they usually see? I’m also very rarely ill (like once every few years). Not conclusive at all I know. I agree with you logically that you’d think it would have been detected if it was around that much earlier

Does anyone hear believe the theories that this has been around longer than suggested? It now seems it can be traced back to November rather than end of December as first thought and the Chinese aren't exactly known for being forthcoming. THey could have sat on this for ages Lots of people seem to be saying they were ill over Xmas time, more so than usual for the time of year. Myself had a genuine flu that wiped me out for 4/5 days, cleared for a few days then came back again briefly. Shortly later my grandmother who I visited after I thought it had cleared was taken ill with some kind of chest infection. My partner also became ill around the same time (week or so after me) but with more of a dry cough, really snotty/sinusy infection which lasted a couple of weeks at least and her Dad then developed the similar chest infection issue that my nan had. We also had an elderly neighbour come down ill enough to call an ambulance which turned out to be a nasty flu. Potentially already been doing the rounds or did we all coincidentally catch something more "seasonal"

With respect, they are experts in their field. Not saying they can't be wrong, but I'd trust their ideas based on research and data over the general public

Listened to this guy on LBC earlier, very articulate and it makes sense I guess the concern is how do we know when the bottle overflows and is it imminent? If we plan for 4 weeks or so because we're that far behind Italy what happens if in 2 weeks its spread much quicker than anticipated? It at least seems scientifically led, so I'm willing to trust it and makes the point about us being different to other countries because of cultures and social behaviour

I have it from a good source that UEFA have cancelled the Euros. Sponsors have been informed ahead of an accouncrment next week. The plan is to play it in 2021