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Kieran Maguire's info is that Clowes paid between £60m and £65m in total with £22m being for the stadium. On the surface that is an extraordinary amount that massively over values the club. It could mean that creditors will be paid more than expected, though presumably not the full amount owed. If he has paid significantly more than the minimum required by the EFL insolvency policy it would actually be good PR to say so and a step on the way to rebuilding the club's reputation. He's certainly going to be asked some tough questions by other club owners so he might as well start to improve relationships asap. Anyway, now the club has been saved a degree of humility from the club and its fans would be a good idea. I exclude you from that of course, your contribution to this thread has always been reasonable and welcome.

That suggests the EFL have been pretty generous with their business plan. If that proves to be the case other League 1 clubs who pay their bills will not be best pleased.

This is Derby, they're so special they don't have to pay their debts.

Teemu Pukki next then?

Easy to miss as it keeps changing! Talk about a moving target.?

So first it was a case of it's about entertainment not results, now it's results=entertainment. By that logic a manager who took us to a Championship play off final would be even more entertaining. If only I could think of an example. When you're in a hole stop digging.?

As Kevin Day points out on the podcast Morris must be disappointed that he worked so hard at being the villain but lost the contest.?

You'll enjoy the bit about him being public enemy no.1 with Derby fans for daring to point out to the EFL that their beloved Mel was a cheat.?

On the Price of Football podcast today Kieran Maguire reckons the total amount Clowes paid was £60-£65m, with the stadium costing £22m. That would mean he paid a staggering amount for the club, way beyond its intrinsic value. Good news for the creditors, especially HMRC perhaps?

Assuming they have any staff left. The backroom staff who lost their jobs seem to have been rather forgotten.

Thanks, I should have seen that. So they are going to have to prove compliance on a case by case basis. That's going to keep somebody busy.

Has the EFL actually issued a statement since the takeover? Clowes would have no problem proving funds nor passing the owners and directors test presumably but do we know if a business plan has been agreed? Perhaps I have missed something.

I didn't see Sheff Wed fans coming up with special pleading, conspiracy thinking and the like. Reading fans accepted that their club got what it deserved. Derby fans meanwhile have an odd mix of believing both that they are too important for the rules to apply to them and a poor innocent little club being victimised by all and sundry. Now they've signed a couple of players they are predictably in Gas style piss the league mode. Mind you by the Rooney rule of thumb they still need to sign another 38!

There was an interview towards the end of the season when he said his staff had told him perhaps we weren't as far away as he thought. From that point he seemed to relax a bit, after which our form improved. Good to see him looking so much better.

£81m. Oh, hang on, apparently not. And yet it was definitely worth that. How odd.?

Had Morris not put the club into administration they may indeed have raised a fair bit of cash from selling players. Trouble is that would have to have been used to pay off the debts he had deliberately run up and he had no intention of doing that. Nor would Derby fans have accepted it.

Hear hear. Delap, talented and team player. Scarlett, talented and selfish.

I doubt FOI applies and a commercially sensitive defence would allow HMRC to get away with lying about its policy. Pretty sure details will leak though, which may lead to some fun.

Other clubs are angry that Derby have almost certainly have got away with it and will want answers. I would certainly be asking HMRC whether they honoured their claim that they never accept less than the full amount of tax due.

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From today's Guardian: West Ham are stepping up efforts to sign Jesse Lingard after their move for Villarreal’s Arnaut Danjuma ran into difficulties. The club have held talks with Villarreal about Danjuma, with €40m (£34.5m) plus add-ons potentially enough to land the Dutch winger, but the deal is now in doubt. West Ham have not agreed personal terms with the 25-year-old and various complications mean they are ready to move on to other attacking targets.

Lots of powerful, athletic youngsters from Premier League clubs but none of them have Alex's football brain from what I have seen. That's what distinguishes the best from the good.

Alex comes on and the game completely changes. What a coincidence!

So the FA have joined the conspiracy against plucky little Derby? When will the fun agony end?

I hope we're not going to go back to the English tradition of telling youngsters they're too small to succeed. In those days an English Messi or Iniesta wouldn't have got a look in.