Guest bosreds Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Jus seen a news reporter from SSN live in Glasgow and he said that Chris Killen is def off to a championship club in the next two days. Could it be us as he is a 'Target Man'? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AcciesRobin Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Could potentially be a good player but 2 years with limited playing time would mean he'd be a bit of an unknown quantity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leobcfc1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Could potentially be a good player but 2 years with limited playing time would mean he'd be a bit of an unknown quantity. Chris Killen? I'd like to think we can do a fair bit better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
internetjef Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 i think i saw he has been scoring goals in celtics preseason and therefore may get a celtic reprieve. This now sounds unlikely though, granted havent seen a great deal of him but we need someone in and if he is the best we can get then i reckon we should take him its only a loan after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leobcfc1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 i think i saw he has been scoring goals in celtics preseason and therefore may get a celtic reprieve. This now sounds unlikely though, granted havent seen a great deal of him but we need someone in and if he is the best we can get then i reckon we should take him its only a loan after all He managed 1 goal in 23 games for Celtic according to Wikipedia. I think he isn't much better than Pericard, who has at least scored in the Championship unlike Killen. The SPL overall I'd say is a weaker division than the Championship as well which makes Killen's strike rate even less impressive. He can't really be considered a target man either at 6ft, I think this is the very last loan signing I would make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leobcfc1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 :noexpression: Jesus, for someone who goes on about our apparent need for a target man you don't really understand the concept do you? he could be 5 ft 10 and still be an effective target man... you can actually hit a target along the ground you know? did you ever see a certain Steve Brooker play? thats recent enough for a proper young'un to remember surely? how tall? barely 6ft... how good as a target in league 1 especially? He's not exactly big either mate. Look at all the target men who are below 6ft, they all have a big frame and put themselves about a lot Killen simply doesn't. He isn't a Brooker type forward at all, he doesn't score any goals so how can he be considered a Brooker type player? He is quite simply no comparison to Victor Anichebe who is the target man we're being linked with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leobcfc1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 :noexpression: thats recent enough for a proper young'un to I'm not that young. I haven't supported City all my life, you're probably going on the basis that I've supported City for nine years which means I must be young according to you. A completely ridiculous thing to say because you simply don't know how old I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yessir Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Chris Killen? I'd like to think we can do a fair bit better than that. we can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 we can .. and we will? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leobcfc1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I didnt compare the two, I merely stated that height has very little to do with the ability to do the job of a target man... I see what you're saying mate but you need a big frame if you're not 6ft plus as a target man. Most target men who are below 6ft are usually very big in stature, which gives them the edge in the aerial battles with centre halves on most occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leobcfc1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Personally i'd rather see the end of our strikers getting involved in aerial battles... it doesn't work, or excite. therefore fails on the only two levels it can be judged. cheerio hoofball The game against Middlesbrough was my first this season. I thought both Maynard and Haynes handled themselves very well against Middlesbrough's big centre halves, so you might be right about not needing a target man. We're being linked with a move for Victor Anichebe which most likely means that Gary Johnson wants the target man to be the final piece of the Jigsaw, I certainly won't complain if he signs as it's another option for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leobcfc1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Personally i'd rather see the end of our strikers getting involved in aerial battles... it doesn't work, or excite. therefore fails on the only two levels it can be judged. At times against Middlesbrough we didn't play the picturesque football that our fans love to see, but instead we did on occasions play effective football. This type of football involved the player's right from the forwards down to the other end regularly getting a foot in when Middlesbrough were on the brake. They didn't know how to cope with our aggressive style of play on many occasions. I'd happily watch City play this way if it meant that we would beat the top teams in the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric04 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 It's bound to be Chris Killen. Our scouting network doesn't go beyond Scottish football anymore - anyone who's played with or against 'ickle Lee. Has Pete Johnson ever left these isles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Styvar? Nick Carle? not good examples maybe... but stop spouting tripe eh? Both scouted inside the uk against Villa and for Oz at Craven Cottage respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Horsman Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 It's bound to be Chris Killen. Our scouting network doesn't go beyond Scottish football anymore - anyone who's played with or against 'ickle Lee. Has Pete Johnson ever left these isles? Yes he went to Tenerife for his hols once!! The signings of Nick Carle and Styvar, as mixed as they were do raise a debate about whether overseas signings are the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leobcfc1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Both scouted inside the uk against Villa and for Oz at Craven Cottage respectively. You're right. Carle was scouted when he played in an international game against Nigeria at Craven Cottage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leobcfc1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 so you're saying PJ watched them both once? :noexpression: Yes this was the basis for Styvar signing as Johnson has stated before in an interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 so you're saying PJ watched them both once? :noexpression: Carle, yes, he saw him in that one game and then watched some videos. Styvar, the club will say they watched him more than once but I don't see how they could have. He was shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leobcfc1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Carle, yes, he saw him in that one game and then watched some videos. Styvar, the club will say they watched him more than once but I don't see how they could have. He was shite. Johnson signed Styvar on the basis of his performance against Aston Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ferret Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...tic/8230864.stm BBC Scotland has learned that a number of English Championship clubs, including Coventry and Bristol City, want to take the New Zealander on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 It's bound to be Chris Killen. Our scouting network doesn't go beyond Scottish football anymore - anyone who's played with or against 'ickle Lee. Has Pete Johnson ever left these isles? Killen is a kiwi, so perhaps he does go farther than Scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leobcfc1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...tic/8230864.stm This can't be happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 This can't be happening. Have you actually seen him play? He's just what we need, a strong old fashioned centre forward with goal threat and some ability on the ball. The difficulty with this player is actually just getting him fit and keeping him that way. If you can do that he has the ability to be very successful in the Championship. He also has a great deal to prove, and will be looking to earn the big peak contract of his career so motivation shouldn't be an issue. A thorough medical and a loan deal that ensure we don't get stuck with paying his wages if he's injured would be fine with me. I do suspect this is just manufactured by his agent though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yessir Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 This can't be happening. It aint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whale Eye Beef Hooked Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Both scouted inside the uk against Villa and for Oz at Craven Cottage respectively. No, Styvver was watched about half a dozen times at least BEFORE the Villa game. We only made our move after the villa game because he played well and scored so a move was made before "bigger" clubs started to look thus his price would have gone up. City had spoken to his club and his agent long before the villa game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leobcfc1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 with goal threat and some ability on the ball. Yes I've seen him play. He certainly isn't a goal threat take a look at his career statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leobcfc1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 It aint Good news because he isn't the player we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 No, Styvver was watched about half a dozen times at least BEFORE the Villa game. We only made our move after the villa game because he played well and scored so a move was made before "bigger" clubs started to look thus his price would have gone up. City had spoken to his club and his agent long before the villa game That is indeed what the club will tell you. I am not sure I believe it, he was awful and nobody else at all had ever shown any interest. His price was not going to go up since his contract was expiring in the summer. Yes I've seen him play. He certainly isn't a goal threat take a look at his career statistics. When did you see him play where he wasn't a goal threat? He's scored nearly one goal per two starts over his career and was exceptional at Hibs with a far better goal record than the likes of McCormack and Clarkson before he took a money move. Fit he'd succeed handily at this level, the question is just whether he can stay fit. It's agent talk anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leobcfc1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 When did you see him play where he wasn't a goal threat? He's scored nearly one goal per two starts over his career and was exceptional at Hibs with a far better goal record than the likes of McCormack and Clarkson before he took a money move. Fit he'd succeed handily at this level, the question is just whether he can stay fit. It's agent talk anyway. Oldham. I think his only prolific spell in his career was with Hibernian where he scored 16 goals in 25 games. Everywhere else he has been except one loan spell has been pretty poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Oldham. I think you've got the wrong striker. No, I haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 It aint Is something happening?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Oldham. I think his only prolific spell in his career was with Hibernian where he scored 16 goals in 25 games. Everywhere else he has been except one loan spell has been pretty poor. Weird edit. He was a youth at Man City and went on loan a couple of times doing well. He went to Oldham and was injured a lot but still scored regularly. At Hibs he scored lots but then ruptured an achilles. Moved to Celtic and couldn't get in ahead of Macdonal, Samaras and JVoH. When he's started runs of games he's always scored, the only problem is his injury record. You are trying to use stats to paint a picture they just don't support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest leobcfc1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Every two starts. If you're going to base your opinion entirely around stats, use soccerbase not wikipedia. Every two starts then. The fact still remains that he isn't good enough for us as I've seen him play, so I'd like to think I have a head start on you in regards to his ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Every two starts then. The fact still remains that he isn't good enough for us as I've seen him play, so I'd like to think I have a head start on you in regards to his ability. Well, you can like to think what you like kid. I saw him play against us last season briefly as well as twice for Hibs against Hearts and once or twice for Oldham when he was haf injured all the time. But the bottom line is it's all about judgement. Killen has plenty of ability, he has the right instincts and good vision as well. The doubt is about his fitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leobcfc1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Well, you can like to think what you like kid. I saw him play against us last season briefly as well as twice for Hibs against Hearts and once or twice for Oldham when he was haf injured all the time. But the bottom line is it's all about judgement. Killen has plenty of ability, he has the right instincts and good vision as well. The doubt is about his fitness. As you seem so sure that Killen will be a good signing I will tell you now mate in regards to him signing, that if he's not fit he will not sign for Bristol City. I don't think I can put it any clearer than that. If you think his fitness levels are bad then Johnson most certainly won't think his fitness levels are acceptable. We all know that Johnson won't tolerate low fitness levels, as it will take so long to get the player in question up to the required fitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 As you seem so sure that Killen will be a good signing I will tell you now mate in regards to him signing, that if he's not fit he will not sign for Bristol City. I don't think I can put it any clearer than that. If you think his fitness levels are bad then Johnson most certainly won't think his fitness levels are acceptable. We all know that Johnson won't tolerate low fitness levels. Jesus H Christ. Did you even read the posts above where I mentioned that his injury record was a problem? Do you understand the difference between injury problems and fitness probems? It might interest you to know that he was a player we were linked heavily with before he moved north of the border. Anyway, for the third and final time, it is almost certainly agent manufactured rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leobcfc1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Jesus H Christ. Did you even read the posts above where I mentioned that his injury record was a problem? Do you understand the difference between injury problems and fitness probems? It might interest you to know that he was a player we were linked heavily with before he moved north of the border. Anyway, for the third and final time, it is almost certainly agent manufactured rubbish. As you think he would have been a good signing I was just telling you it won't happen. I've read your posts as well saying his fitness might be a problem so yes sorry about that; however he won't be signing as I’ve stated so this debate shouldn't continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 He's being linked to Doncaster on Sky Sports website, not us........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric04 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Killen is a kiwi, so perhaps he does go farther than Scotland .....who has been playing in Scotland for the last few years Bill, that was my point. Velicka is Lithuanian, but played in Scotland etc etc etc :coat: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leobcfc1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 He's being linked to Doncaster on Sky Sports website, not us........ If he's being linked to Doncaster then it proves my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leobcfc1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 a quality little team, who play some of the most attractive football in this division and as a club are only going in the right direction. When the sad day comes that City lose GJ i would love to see Sean O'Driscoll as city's gaffer. They're a football club that isn't going anywhere fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecko Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 a quality little team, who play some of the most attractive football in this division and as a club are only going in the right direction. When the sad day comes that City lose GJ i would love to see Sean O'Driscoll as city's gaffer. And a selling club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted August 31, 2009 Admin Share Posted August 31, 2009 I can't believe how many replies this thread has got when it's clear he's not signing when there's other threads that are less clear that are being largely ignored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 It's bound to be Chris Killen. Our scouting network doesn't go beyond Scottish football anymore - anyone who's played with or against 'ickle Lee. Has Pete Johnson ever left these isles? I think you will find he has a season ticket for Bristol Airport car park; he racks up a lot of airmiles. More to the point, what is yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Sky seem to think this guy is on his way to Donny. that answers my question then on his suitability for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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