Rubish Being Spouted On Here

[The Humble Realist]

- Everyone slagging off Millen.....where were u 4 games ago when we'd beaten Cardiff 3-0 and drawn at QPR

I heard 2 guys in Dolman toilets saying players wernt playing for Millen in ages after the Boro game, i bet they enjoyed Cardiff game

-Haynes shouldnt have been sold ahead of Clarkson, clarkson does seem to have a knack but i really dont rate the guy, he always puts effort in

However, i suspect we needed the money to fund new signings. We deffos wuda got more for Haynes then clarkson in my opinion

- Millen needs to stop banging on about signings and just get on with it, its his job to get players in, he said ages ago hed get a left sided player and a central midfielder, so in my opinion i expect that to happen. He's had all of January plus before christmas to make enquiries. However, player must obv be the right player, but its Millens job to do it

-Fans need to get behind the team, we are in a very good position considering where we were after 11 games, Millen has done very well in my opinion since taking the job. Im not saying he shouldnt be subject to opinions and criticsm such as mine above but calling for him to be sacked is a joke

[JohnM]

Well said. I think Millen will get it sorted, but he does need to be able to bring in a couple of good players (at least). He is struggling with the absence of some of our best players due to injuries and the unbalanced squad that he inherited. Given time, he will turn it around - just hope its not too long.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

- Everyone slagging off Millen.....where were u 4 games ago when we'd beaten Cardiff 3-0 and drawn at QPR

I heard 2 guys in Dolman toilets saying players wernt playing for Millen in ages after the Boro game, i bet they enjoyed Cardiff game

-Haynes shouldnt have been sold ahead of Clarkson, clarkson does seem to have a knack but i really dont rate the guy, he always puts effort in

However, i suspect we needed the money to fund new signings. We deffos wuda got more for Haynes then clarkson in my opinion

- Millen needs to stop banging on about signings and just get on with it, its his job to get players in, he said ages ago hed get a left sided player and a central midfielder, so in my opinion i expect that to happen. He's had all of January plus before christmas to make enquiries. However, player must obv be the right player, but its Millens job to do it

-Fans need to get behind the team, we are in a very good position considering where we were after 11 games, Millen has done very well in my opinion since taking the job. Im not saying he shouldnt be subject to opinions and criticsm such as mine above but calling for him to be sacked is a joke

The problem is my friend one great performance does not a season make and remember that Cardiff is our only win in the past 9 games and if we don't halt the latest slump the win over Cardiff might end up being our last good memory of our time back in the championship.

[Red Robin]

Well said. I think Millen will get it sorted, but he does need to be able to bring in a couple of good players (at least). He is struggling with the absence of some of our best players due to injuries and the unbalanced squad that he inherited. Given time, he will turn it around - just hope its not too long.

Sadly it seems we are going backwards and nothing has been done to correct it,sadly it seems SL is happy with the way things have panned out,since his appointment of millen.Don't think he will be so impressed if we get relegated this year,that will cost the club a small fortune in lost revenue.

It seems we are sinking slowly,with the unthinkable happening of the club going back to the depths of League 1 as a distinct possibility.

[spudski]

Can someone please explain why people keep quoting the Cardiff result? It was a complete one off and doesn't reflect the rest of the seasons displays.

[Donald]

- Everyone slagging off Millen.....where were u 4 games ago when we'd beaten Cardiff 3-0 and drawn at QPR

I heard 2 guys in Dolman toilets saying players wernt playing for Millen in ages after the Boro game, i bet they enjoyed Cardiff game

-Haynes shouldnt have been sold ahead of Clarkson, clarkson does seem to have a knack but i really dont rate the guy, he always puts effort in

However, i suspect we needed the money to fund new signings. We deffos wuda got more for Haynes then clarkson in my opinion

- Millen needs to stop banging on about signings and just get on with it, its his job to get players in, he said ages ago hed get a left sided player and a central midfielder, so in my opinion i expect that to happen. He's had all of January plus before christmas to make enquiries. However, player must obv be the right player, but its Millens job to do it

-Fans need to get behind the team, we are in a very good position considering where we were after 11 games, Millen has done very well in my opinion since taking the job. Im not saying he shouldnt be subject to opinions and criticsm such as mine above but calling for him to be sacked is a joke

WELL SAID. there has been a number of good results and a number of bad ones, however when you look at the teams we have put out in the games where we have done well and done badly, I think that says it all.

unfortunately some base their views on city's season and performances by what they read on here and not what actually happens on the pitch.

If you look at the negativity, it's the same old people after every game who thrive on negativity on anything, after wins....they aren't seen for days/weeks.

They have their views and regardless of what happens or what is printed in black and white.......They are right, everyone else is wrong and the end of the world is nigh.

[BCAGFC]

Can someone please explain why people keep quoting the Cardiff result? It was a complete one off and doesn't reflect the rest of the seasons displays.

Swansea, Sheffield United, Reading, Derby.........

You can only judge KM after a full season, we are 18 games away from that atm.

We are competing with clubs that are MUCH bigger than us and clubs that can afford to bring in established Premier League players like Yakubu or pay huge loan fees for youngsters like van Aanholt/Bertrand etc, etc.

Let's have a bit of patience, if we go down Gary Johnson will have contributed a huge part to that due to the absolute crap that he was so loyal to.

BCAGFC

[red badger]

WELL SAID. there has been a number of good results and a number of bad ones, however when you look at the teams we have put out in the games where we have done well and done badly, I think that says it all.

unfortunately some base their views on city's season and performances by what they read on here and not what actually happens on the pitch.

If you look at the negativity, it's the same old people after every game who thrive on negativity on anything, after wins....they aren't seen for days/weeks.

They have their views and regardless of what happens or what is printed in black and white.......They are right, everyone else is wrong and the end of the world is nigh.

Donald, as ever I read your posts with my jaw on the floor...we live in different worlds.

I can't speak for others. But my views are precisely based on City's performance across the season and the results on the pitch. Not individual games. I've not seen anything like as many games this season as in recent years. I listen live to away matches that in previous years I've made a day out. The matches I've attended have all been dire...the performances wretched. I missed Cardiff. If I wasn't a ST holder I doubt I'd attend at all.

As for folk disappearing after wins...we've barely had any wins! I for one have applauded Keith when he's done well...but that's not been often.

Those who doubted KM have - sadly - been proved to be right. He's not done anything to dispel the doubts. The season has been a disaster.

Gives me no pleasure to say it but it does the club no favours to pretend that there's nothing wrong...this forum is one of the very few places to voice criticism of its increasingly shambolic management on and off the pitch.

[havanatopia]

Donald, as ever I read your posts with my jaw on the floor...we live in different worlds.

I can't speak for others. But my views are precisely based on City's performance across the season and the results on the pitch. Not individual games. I've not seen anything like as many games this season as in recent years. I listen live to away matches that in previous years I've made a day out. The matches I've attended have all been dire...the performances wretched. I missed Cardiff. If I wasn't a ST holder I doubt I'd attend at all.

As for folk disappearing after wins...we've barely had any wins! I for one have applauded Keith when he's done well...but that's not been often.

Those who doubted KM have - sadly - been proved to be right. He's not done anything to dispel the doubts. The season has been a disaster.

Gives me no pleasure to say it but it does the club no favours to pretend that there's nothing wrong...this forum is one of the very few places to voice criticism of its increasingly shambolic management on and off the pitch.

Nicely crafted sir. Could not put it much better.

[havanatopia]

Swansea, Sheffield United, Reading, Derby.........

You can only judge KM after a full season, we are 18 games away from that atm.

We are competing with clubs that are MUCH bigger than us and clubs that can afford to bring in established Premier League players like Yakubu or pay huge loan fees for youngsters like van Aanholt/Bertrand etc, etc.

Let's have a bit of patience, if we go down Gary Johnson will have contributed a huge part to that due to the absolute crap that he was so loyal to.

BCAGFC

Johnson is fast fading into the distant past. To keep raising the old chestnut that it is all his fault is absolute garbage and utter nonsense.

[Monkeh]

johnson left 13 months ago............ We've had that amount of time to sort it out millen is in his 2nd transfer window and we still haven't sorted it out,

People need to take the blinkers off I'm sorry to say Millen was credited for our 10th place finish last season with Johnson's team but Its Johnson fault we're 17th with Millen's/coppells team?

I fail to see the logic

[craigBCFC]

WELL SAID. there has been a number of good results and a number of bad ones, however when you look at the teams we have put out in the games where we have done well and done badly, I think that says it all.

unfortunately some base their views on city's season and performances by what they read on here and not what actually happens on the pitch.

If you look at the negativity, it's the same old people after every game who thrive on negativity on anything, after wins....they aren't seen for days/weeks.

They have their views and regardless of what happens or what is printed in black and white.......They are right, everyone else is wrong and the end of the world is nigh.

I don't know whether your a season ticket holder or not but if you think the majority of performances have been acceptable especially at home then you must be very easily pleased! Apart from hammering Cardiff, we have beaten 10 man Sheff Utd with 2 pens and the rest have been scrappy 1 - 0's after calls for the fans to get behind the team more! Yeah the fans had to lift the players, obviously their 10k a week isn't enough!

I wouldn't mind it so much if we went out the pitch every game with the same attitude as we did against Cardiff at home and actually try and win the game! Attack, press the ball, tackle, do everything in our power to win but we don't even do that half the time! Half the time we don't create anything go 1 - 0 and then concede 3 or 4 and thats just at home!

I personally have had a guts full this season, all I want is for us to stay up, hopefully with Maynard, Stead and a couple of others coming back soon we will have a real chance of doing that if we win the majority of our home games!

But this season was built up in pre seaosn with pundits saying we were outsiders, a new manager that was going to take us to the next level on the pitch, a big name on the pitch to get the fans to through the gate and it has been nothing sort of a nightmare season. Thats not negativity, thats not me not wanting to be a City fan thats pure fact what I witness week in week out!

[red badger]

Swansea, Sheffield United, Reading, Derby.........

You can only judge KM after a full season, we are 18 games away from that atm.

We are competing with clubs that are MUCH bigger than us and clubs that can afford to bring in established Premier League players like Yakubu or pay huge loan fees for youngsters like van Aanholt/Bertrand etc, etc.

Let's have a bit of patience, if we go down Gary Johnson will have contributed a huge part to that due to the absolute crap that he was so loyal to.

BCAGFC

relatively few of the players who've represented the club this season were regulars last year under GJ.

Albert, DJ, Stead, Caulker, JCR, Pitman and Rose are all among the top appearance makers...with the exception of JCR briefly none featured under GJ. The constants are Skuse and Elliott...and Carey, Fonts and McAllister who have all had a fair few injuries. Orr and Hartley have, of course, left. As has Danny Haynes. LJ made less than 30 appearances last season and won't make more this I guess.

I'd suggest that if we're doing badly then it's with teams that KM has largely recruited.

[Jon atyeo is my dad]

Sorry guys the people who have responded to donalds post are sadly the ones that bring the negativity to the club!

Nicely crafted sir?

Get out of it, a success this season is staying up! Next season is when millen should be truly judged but none of you have time for that. The sad thing is you honestly believe your right ! Millen not only has had to pick up the pieces from gj but the crap coppell brought to the club as well !

So yeah your gonna here it alot more for the rest of the season because it's true!

[havanatopia]

Sorry guys the people who have responded to donalds post are sadly the ones that bring the negativity to the club!

Nicely crafted sir?

Get out of it, a success this season is staying up! Next season is when millen should be truly judged but none of you have time for that. The sad thing is you honestly believe your right ! Millen not only has had to pick up the pieces from gj but the crap coppell brought to the club as well !

So yeah your gonna here it alot more for the rest of the season because it's true!

Thats what I like to see a passionate response. I could not disagree more though.

It really does boggle my mind how some, like your goodself, are still blaming Johnson, now long gone, as to our current woes when, as others have just said, this team has a lot of Millen stamped all over it and many of whom he has brought in have not come cheap. Personally i rate many of those he has brought in and rate a lot of whom were here before so why is it we are doing so badly? Oh lets just blame it all on Johnson. Weird. Plain weird.

Btw.. I'll apologise for being negative but to be positive and fake it as a result, week in and week out, is tough to keep up. I don't know about Millen but when my back is against the wall in business i roll my sleeves up; i suspect he does the same and i also suspect he understands the negativity. it should drive him on. If it doesn't and he goes into his shell even more then, for my money, he has a short future at this club.

[The Humble Realist]

farcical to blame Johnson for where we are in the league now.

Why would it be his fault when a lot of players are nowt to do with him, James, Stewart, Hunt, Caulker, Adomah, Rose, Pitman, Stead (some of these have been good players as well) but some havnt. We arnt even doing THAT badly based on where we were after 11 games!

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Sorry guys the people who have responded to donalds post are sadly the ones that bring the negativity to the club!

Nicely crafted sir?

Get out of it, a success this season is staying up! Next season is when millen should be truly judged but none of you have time for that. The sad thing is you honestly believe your right ! Millen not only has had to pick up the pieces from gj but the crap coppell brought to the club as well !

So yeah your gonna here it alot more for the rest of the season because it's true!

Some people make themselves very easy targets by starting threads after 6 games without a win and we manage to win 'who wants Millen sacked now' and keep pointing back to the Cardiff game but forget that is our only win in 9 games.

if Coppell was still here would your expectations be so low?

[SC_Red]

does that mean Johnsons to thank when we win? Or is it just his fault if we lose?

[Esmond Million's Bung]

does that mean Johnsons to thank when we win? Or is it just his fault if we lose?

How very dare you apply logic to this thread, HERETIC.

[havanatopia]

does that mean Johnsons to thank when we win? Or is it just his fault if we lose?

Yeah i was about to suggest that. Thats an interesting one. maybe someone should hand a note to little Lee at the end of the next win that reads 'please thank your Dad for that one'. And if we lose it can say the complete opposite.

I suppose on the losing note though it should also read. p.s. Copout's Stewart should have cleared his lines though so not entirely your fault Gary. p.p.s. Keith says he'll see you on the golf course soon.

[red badger]

Sorry guys the people who have responded to donalds post are sadly the ones that bring the negativity to the club!

Nicely crafted sir?

Get out of it, a success this season is staying up! Next season is when millen should be truly judged but none of you have time for that. The sad thing is you honestly believe your right ! Millen not only has had to pick up the pieces from gj but the crap coppell brought to the club as well !

So yeah your gonna here it alot more for the rest of the season because it's true!

The sad thing is that the table doesn't lie...

We've gone backwards in a season where a push for promotion was the promise. There's no escaping that...that WAS the promise. And all the potential was there - if it was squandered and we have had a dire season it's not folk like me that's brought negativity to the club..or anyone on here...it's the man with the money who interviewed SC and was convinced he was the man for the job...then signed off his recruits...and the same man who then panicked and appointed KM. I'm afraid that whatever his past and present financial contributions Lansdown's the man behind the negativity this season..on and off the pitch. Sorry if that's not what you want to hear...but it needs to be said somewhere...

...just my opinion of course

[Andy082005]

WELL SAID. there has been a number of good results and a number of bad ones, however when you look at the teams we have put out in the games where we have done well and done badly, I think that says it all.

unfortunately some base their views on city's season and performances by what they read on here and not what actually happens on the pitch.

If you look at the negativity, it's the same old people after every game who thrive on negativity on anything, after wins....they aren't seen for days/weeks.

They have their views and regardless of what happens or what is printed in black and white.......They are right, everyone else is wrong and the end of the world is nigh.

donald, out of interest.....do you go to the games?

[SC_Red]

Yeah i was about to suggest that. Thats an interesting one. maybe someone should hand a note to little Lee at the end of the next win that reads 'please thank your Dad for that one'. And if we lose it can say the complete opposite.

I suppose on the losing note though it should also read. p.s. Copout's Stewart should have cleared his lines though so not entirely your fault Gary. p.p.s. Keith says he'll see you on the golf course soon.

or maybe we could rubbish the suggestion that Millens done really well in the transfer market so far by pointing out that half of his signings arent even available to play for us because of long term injury

[havanatopia]

or maybe we could rubbish the suggestion that Millens done really well in the transfer market so far by pointing out that half of his signings arent even available to play for us because of long term injury

You refer to Stead and Rose?

[SC_Red]

You refer to Stead and Rose?

yep

[BCAGFC]

relatively few of the players who've represented the club this season were regulars last year under GJ.

Albert, DJ, Stead, Caulker, JCR, Pitman and Rose are all among the top appearance makers...with the exception of JCR briefly none featured under GJ. The constants are Skuse and Elliott...and Carey, Fonts and McAllister who have all had a fair few injuries. Orr and Hartley have, of course, left. As has Danny Haynes. LJ made less than 30 appearances last season and won't make more this I guess.

I'd suggest that if we're doing badly then it's with teams that KM has largely recruited.

My suggestion was more to do with the like of Gavin Williams, Ivan Sproule, David Clarkson & the others that nobody will take off our hands.

KM's hands are tied because we have a load of rubbish on our books that we can''t sell/give away.

BCAGFC

[Guest ateyomike]

like last season, this season we seem to have 2 teams last season it was newcastle/ west brom team this season well we did well against qpr home and away cardiff at home but when ir comes to teams who we should be beating we're not dooing that well so to take it to the next step we should beat swansea at home

[havanatopia]

like last season, this season we seem to have 2 teams last season it was newcastle/ west brom team this season well we did well against qpr home and away cardiff at home but when ir comes to teams who we should be beating we're not dooing that well so to take it to the next step we should beat swansea at home

With current form i would be delighted with a point.

[Jon atyeo is my dad]

I feel like in hitting my head against a brick wall with some !!!!!

Let's just rewind the clock summer time coppell was given by very many on here 3 seasons to build a team capable of promotion !

Millen has barely had half a season yet the knifes are out!

Im sorry to those suffering a deep depression but the fact that millen is stuck with all the gj rejects and the pointless and wasteful signings coppell made is a valid reason why WE are in the position were in .

We lack creativity we need more strength at the back yet because Millen unlike his predecessors won't waste our budget on quick fixes and overpriced players you slate him for it which I find a total joke !

The only reason millen is getting stick at this stage of the season is because he wasn't a big name people wanted in place.

Yes he was the cheap option I don't doubt that but

[Rob k]

I don't want to get on Millens back as he's not going to be sacked so we all have to back him and hope to christ we get the points needed to stay up, however, to keep blaming Gary Johnson for where we are now is frankly embarrassing, he's now been gone a long time and we need to move on.

If you blame GJ then you also have to hold SL accountable for this situation were in to.

[red badger]

I feel like in hitting my head against a brick wall with some !!!!!

Let's just rewind the clock summer time coppell was given by very many on here 3 seasons to build a team capable of promotion !

Millen has barely had half a season yet the knifes are out!

Im sorry to those suffering a deep depression but the fact that millen is stuck with all the gj rejects and the pointless and wasteful signings coppell made is a valid reason why WE are in the position were in .

We lack creativity we need more strength at the back yet because Millen unlike his predecessors won't waste our budget on quick fixes and overpriced players you slate him for it which I find a total joke !

The only reason millen is getting stick at this stage of the season is because he wasn't a big name people wanted in place.

Yes he was the cheap option I don't doubt that but

Sorry to frustrate you - but you've missed the point.

If Steve Coppell had said he needed 3 years to build a promotion squad people would have believed him..because he'd done it at two separate clubs. Not only has Milly not said what his long term objectives are to my knowledge - but he's no track record. He's done nothing as a manager except preside over the decline of a club that were tipped for the play-offs at the start of the season. If the knives are out - and to be honest very few people are having a direct go at him - it's because to many of us he's so obviously not been up to the job so far. Nothing to do with him not being a top name...just that he has no qualifications for the job that we were told a Bristol City manager would be doing...namely getting the club into a position to make a push for the Prem.

I don't believe for a minute that Keith is calling the shots on transfers. Steve L is making the decisions on spending. We only need quick fixes now because of failures last summer...no creative midfielder and no cover at left back have been glaring problems for an age...

I simply can't understand the love affair with Keith - a decent guy but with no charisma who's failing...at least Tinnion had been a City legend on the pitch...

[WellRedPhil]

johnson left 13 months ago............ We've had that amount of time to sort it out millen is in his 2nd transfer window and we still haven't sorted it out,

People need to take the blinkers off I'm sorry to say Millen was credited for our 10th place finish last season with Johnson's team but Its Johnson fault we're 17th with Millen's/coppells team?

I fail to see the logic

It was actually less than a year ago, but never mind. Johnson left us with an embarrassingly unbalanced squad considering he was here for five years but at the same time he cannot be blamed for every bad performance that happens now. There has been a limited amount of time to amend some of that although Coppell of course almost added to it with his early departure not only leaving us gobsmacked but with some less than great players!

Millen has used the market well. Caulker was an outstanding signing and Pitman has clearly shown promise and the potential to be a very dangerous player at this level. Stead has been excellent for 200k and it is unfortunate that he has picked up an injury as he was playing very well. Rose has been ok. It will be interesting to see who he brings in and whether it is one face or more. (As he confirmed he'd be getting someone.)

[Donald]

I think the vast majority of responses since my last posting, are a shining example of the title of this thread

For the record, 19 games so far this season for me.

some good, some bad, but I'd say in the majority more entertaining than last season win or lose and that's the bottom line in football. Entertainment

[redfred]

I feel like in hitting my head against a brick wall with some !!!!!

Let's just rewind the clock summer time coppell was given by very many on here 3 seasons to build a team capable of promotion !

Millen has barely had half a season yet the knifes are out!

Im sorry to those suffering a deep depression but the fact that millen is stuck with all the gj rejects and the pointless and wasteful signings coppell made is a valid reason why WE are in the position were in .

We lack creativity we need more strength at the back yet because Millen unlike his predecessors won't waste our budget on quick fixes and overpriced players you slate him for it which I find a total joke !

The only reason millen is getting stick at this stage of the season is because he wasn't a big name people wanted in place.

Yes he was the cheap option I don't doubt that but

Don't do yourself in over it as it's become plain that some posters are content to judge Millen without taking any of the circumstances of the last 12 months into consideration or actually appreciate that he has steadied a rocky ship, brought some decent players in, organised them and done a very decent job overall.

[red badger]

Don't do yourself in over it as it's become plain that some posters are content to judge Millen without taking any of the circumstances of the last 12 months into consideration or actually appreciate that he has steadied a rocky ship, brought some decent players in, organised them and done a very decent job overall.

I can assure you that the circumstances of the past 12 months are at the top of my mind, for one...they've been a disaster. I've nothing against Keith Millen, a decent man in a difficult position. Not proving himself up to the job asked of him...as predicted. The fault lies with Steve Lansdown.

[red badger]

I think the vast majority of responses since my last posting, are a shining example of the title of this thread

For the record, 19 games so far this season for me.

some good, some bad, but I'd say in the majority more entertaining than last season win or lose and that's the bottom line in football. Entertainment

Entertainment?!! You really must live in a parallel universe...this has to be the most abject season in recent history.

Fair play to you for your positivity. Wish I'd had the same return on my ST investment that you've clearly had on yours!

[WellRedPhil]

Entertainment?!! You really must live in a parallel universe...this has to be the most abject season in recent history.

Fair play to you for your positivity. Wish I'd had the same return on my ST investment that you've clearly had on yours!

I'd say it's been more entertaining than last season and probably the season before! (Although of course the 08/09 campaign we were never in danger of going down.)

[Economou]

I think the vast majority of responses since my last posting, are a shining example of the title of this thread

For the record, 19 games so far this season for me.

some good, some bad, but I'd say in the majority more entertaining than last season win or lose and that's the bottom line in football. Entertainment

15 for me and the only decent ones were Swansea (A) Reading, Sheff U, Derby & Cardiff (H)

Watford, Coventry, Norwich, QPR, Preston, Leicester, Palace, Wednesday, Boro (H) + Reading (A) the others and they were certainly not entertaining.

[bcfcnick]

KM has definitely got to be given the chance to build his own team. I like what I see from the signings he has been allowed to make so far, I just wish he had plucked out a full (not loan) centre-back signing of the calibre of Caulker. That will be a a big issue for next season unless we can get another season of Caulker out of Spurs. Matt Philips was another that got away but it's a positive sign that this is the type of player that KM is going - players who are young, talented enough to make a step up and are driven to prove themselves and are not going to ruin the wage structure. With quite a few of the current squad being out of contract then there will be a lot of space at the end of the season for KM to introduce more up and coming players of the quality that he has already brought in. Obviously one or two experienced players with a bit of class and some leadership qualities will be needed to balance that approach.

I think the main problem right now is that SL is not going to open his wallet to any significant extent until the outcome of the stadium project is known. So Km has to make the best of that situation until the end of the season. From the latest interviews its clear that there will be a couple of loanees coming in either in January or when the loan market opens again in early Feb. The existing squad plus a couple of good loanees should be enough to avoid relegation.

The worrying factors are Stead and Maynard because, if neither are available for some time, goals look hard to come by. I think KM is a good man manager, a good coach and the early signs are that he has a decent eye for a player in the transfer market. Plenty of positives although, for balance, it is a concern that he has persisted with playing Skuse and Elliot together in midfield when clearly that just doesn't work and even within the current squad there are better balanced alternatives. I'd also like to see Sproule in for JCR as Sproule offers more impetus where JCR gets good marks for artistic merit but next to nothing for end product and, frustratingly, slows down promising moves. So, for this season, it will a case of whether KM make the best of a limited and unbalanced squad and then next season, with a new influx of KM players, it will be the time to make judgements. I hope and believe he will pass the test.

[Mr Popodopolous]

On the Lansdown issue.

Though we must always be thankful, greatful etc given that he is a fan, financing the stadium and so on. Real fantastic stuff, his decisions in terms of hiring and firing managers is up for debate. Let's have a look:

Tinnion, appointed then left by 'mutual consent'. Failure

Johnson- appointed before leaving 5 and a half years on. Got us up to this level and kept us here. Success.

Coppell- Poor signings, never really seemed to have his heart in it (telling moment before the resignation was when he described it as 'worst pre season ever). So yes, a failure ultimately.

Millen- Good signings, difficult circumstances but jury still out as it's too early to tell.

Arguably, short of a club staying solvent the managerial appointment is the most important decision that a chairman can make. You get the wrong man, or a manager who you don't have full trust or faith in and the effects can be disastrous, lots of money can be poured down the drain. It's not like I haven't made this point before but contentious or not I believe it to be valid.

[Jon atyeo is my dad]

Missed the point?????

I give up with some!

With all due respect redbadger I'll think I'll leave this thread alone as it's a waste of time

Kind regards and all that.

[Guest LongwellRed]

I would question why the players only perform in games against teams like Cardiff.... (I'd question the fans too but that's another matter)

I wouldn't be at all surprised if we put in passionate performances against Leeds and Swansea too. But the players should be fighting for the shirt in EVERY game at the moment and to be honest I'm not seeing that. That is the thing that annoys me most of all.

[red badger]

Missed the point?????

I give up with some!

With all due respect redbadger I'll think I'll leave this thread alone as it's a waste of time

Kind regards and all that.

fair enough...I've simply taken the time to explain why I think as I do...

..if reading it's a waste of your time...well...

[Portland Bill]

or maybe we could rubbish the suggestion that Millens done really well in the transfer market so far by pointing out that half of his signings arent even available to play for us because of long term injury

Bizarre!

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Just looking at the 18 players in last nights squad. 4 GJ signings were in the starting line up, of those Fontaine and Elliott are 2 of our better players, the jury appears to be out on JCR and Clarkson has already been sentenced.

On the bench there were 3 GJ signings McCalister who though he has improved since the start of the season is close to his sell by date (hardly GJ's fault), Lee Johnson and Ivan Sproule of those 2 most people agree that although probably not good enough to start both adequate for the bench.

So why do people use the EXCUSE of GJ's signings in Millens defence it simply dosen't make sense any more and i'm quite sure even Millen himself would'nt lower himself to hide behind that as an EXCUSE.

[Donald]

Just looking at the 18 players in last nights squad. 4 GJ signings were in the starting line up, of those Fontaine and Elliott are 2 of our better players, the jury appears to be out on JCR and Clarkson has already been sentenced.

On the bench there were 3 GJ signings McCalister who though he has improved since the start of the season is close to his sell by date (hardly GJ's fault), Lee Johnson and Ivan Sproule of those 2 most people agree that although probably not good enough to start both adequate for the bench.

So why do people use the EXCUSE of GJ's signings in Millens defence it simply dosen't make sense any more and i'm quite sure even Millen himself would'nt lower himself to hide behind that as an EXCUSE.

Effectively 6 of the 11 were GJ players.

Skuse and Carey were both here when Gary got here and signed new contracts whilst he was here. So effectively were part of Johnson's reign.

No jury decision needed on either JCR or Clarkson.....both garbage.

adomah James and Stewart - Coppell signings

caulker and Pitman - millen signings

So that's 2 out of 11 were Millen signings......

Basically the team a mixture of all sorts, but they majority of the team where Johnson's

[Rob k]

Carey & skuse were not signed by GJ, you can't just make things up because it suits your argument.

[grove park city]

Its a mixture of past it players been here too long, journeymen comfort zone signings , players who just ain't good enough and will never improve,then finally those with the talent,drive and balls to play with some resembalance to being a pro-footballer.................. The latter is sadly lacking in this current mish-mash of a squad yes its easy to blame Millen for some things but if something has been wrong for years the effects are felt for some time afterwards , the left back position has been churned over for 3 seasons at least along with a naff midfield with is a creative desert high on effort but sadly lacking in skill and leadership.................... Danny Haynes was sold over Clarkson because someone wanted him and were prepaired to pay put it this way look how many fans questioned the Styvar signing for example then Soborio who the hell scouted them ????? ..We were lucky going back years ago to sell Ralph Milne to a certain Alex Ferguson god knows which game they watched him play as he was normally pants,it would take a rerun of that to sell Clarkson on cos he is just not Championship quality look how many strikers Gary Johnson bought in Nicky Maynard could have been spotted by a blind man and Steve Lansdown had to dig deep by BCFC standards to sign him and that was after another drawn out process of being pissed about by 2 previous striker targets........... Overall the quality of players brought in by Johnson either signed or on loan was not brilliant in terms of resale value the lad brought in from Ireland who even as a forward had never scored a league goal now Akinde who will drift off to the Daggers for nowt ..... Coppell saddled us with Hunt,Cisse,Stewart and another 2 irish midfielders who will be slung out the side door at another cash loss . If Keith Millen stays then keeping City up this season will be job done as i never expected even with all the tub thumping any sort of promotion challenge but also i didn't think we would be down in the basement department hoping those below us lose........... Next season the Millen squad has to be accountable for what happens a close season to regroup kick the deadwood out blend a tight knit settled team bar injuries in ,if its more of the same then bye bye you can't keep saying the same old things people are fed up of talk and fancy ground plans its just as much about the Chairmans attitude as keeping Millen in charge .

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Effectively 6 of the 11 were GJ players.

Skuse and Carey were both here when Gary got here and signed new contracts whilst he was here. So effectively were part of Johnson's reign.

No jury decision needed on either JCR or Clarkson.....both garbage.

adomah James and Stewart - Coppell signings

caulker and Pitman - millen signings

So that's 2 out of 11 were Millen signings......

Basically the team a mixture of all sorts, but they majority of the team where Johnson's

Jesus re-arrange the following AT STRAWS CLUTCHING, the Millen Militia are running out of excuses.

[SC_Red]

And how exactly is that Millens fault?

its not. Thats the point. I thought we were blaming managers for things that werent there fault so I thought I'd join in.

[Donald]

Carey & skuse were not signed by GJ, you can't just make things up because it suits your argument.

did I say that.....NO.

i said.

"Skuse and Carey were both here when Gary got here and signed new contracts whilst he was here. So effectively were part of Johnson's reign" and they were johnson players.

[Monkeh]

people saying the club is in decline and its johnson's fault are idiots and morons,

There are two consitants in that however,

1. Steve Lansdown: The greatest chairman in my life time

2. Keith Millen: He's been here since danny wilson are you really telling my he as assitant manager has had no imput what so ever on transfers in and out of this club?

If thats what you think then all Millen is, is a yes man which is not whats needed in a relegation fight,

If he isn't a yes man than he's had imput on all these failed johnson and coppell players and should also be held accountable for them as both copout and gary have left,

Etherway this postion in the league is 70% millen's fault, there is no good football being played aside from QPR Cardiff and Reading at home (I can't comment on swansea away as I was worrking in manchester),

There is no leadership on and off the pitch (Millen's fault)

The tactics have been poor at best (Millen's fault)

Those are the main two reason's we're in this situation

With correct motivation this wouldn't be happening. Take Blackpool and hollhead... not the best team in the world but they are playing well and well above their station as they have leadership on the pitch (Charlie Adam) and Leadership off the pitch (that goofy ****)

Naming Skuse as captain was a mastake made by Coppell but why hasn't millen given it to some one who can lead and rollock players?

Keef is a smashing block and a real gentleman but he is never going to take this club forward and I feel for him I really do but we need leadership and its not being provided

[Esmond Million's Bung]

people saying the club is in decline and its johnson's fault are idiots and morons,

There are two consitants in that however,

1. Steve Lansdown: The greatest chairman in my life time

2. Keith Millen: He's been here since danny wilson are you really telling my he as assitant manager has had no imput what so ever on transfers in and out of this club?

If thats what you think then all Millen is, is a yes man which is not whats needed in a relegation fight,

If he isn't a yes man than he's had imput on all these failed johnson and coppell players and should also be held accountable for them as both copout and gary have left,

Etherway this postion in the league is 70% millen's fault, there is no good football being played aside from QPR Cardiff and Reading at home (I can't comment on swansea away as I was worrking in manchester),

There is no leadership on and off the pitch (Millen's fault)

The tactics have been poor at best (Millen's fault)

Those are the main two reason's we're in this situation

With correct motivation this wouldn't be happening. Take Blackpool and hollhead... not the best team in the world but they are playing well and well above their station as they have leadership on the pitch (Charlie Adam) and Leadership off the pitch (that goofy ****)

Naming Skuse as captain was a mastake made by Coppell but why hasn't millen given it to some one who can lead and rollock players?

Keef is a smashing block and a real gentleman but he is never going to take this club forward and I feel for him I really do but we need leadership and its not being provided

OMG, another HERETIC, stone him.