Calculus Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Just had the pleasure of watching Switzerland's first two goals against England. Joe Hart having a mare, as did Robert Green and Paul Robinson some time ago. I know Jamo isn't the future, but any chance of an emergency call up to help us through the euro qualifiers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Just had the pleasure of watching Switzerland's first two goals against England. Joe Hart having a mare, as did Robert Green and Paul Robinson some time ago. I know Jamo isn't the future, but any chance of an emergency call up to help us through the euro qualifiers? Yup lets drop Joe Hart after a mistake. Sounds about right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bcfc24 Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 If those mistakes had been James then people would be in uproar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MillensCity Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Yup lets drop Joe Hart after a mistake. Sounds about right! Like we did rob green? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 One goalkeeping error or not- and it was poor- the Swiss have been the better side generally. We've had one shot on target, possession stats 58-42 in favour of the Swiss said Beeb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Just takes the spotlight off the overrated, overpaid, talentless bunch in front of him. These are people paid a King's ransom who have not mastered the basic skills of the game. Can't control a ball and constantly giving it away. Walcott for instance is the Ivan Sproule of the England team; loads of pace and no brains at all. And how does the pedestrain Milner get in the side ahead of Johnson and Young? Note that yet another fairly minor team does the basic things much better. But of course the clubs do not accept there is anything wrong with coaching in this country and fight any reform tooth and nail. No doubt we will qualify and the players and tablois will be saying yet again that we will win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NATCHER Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 What mistakes? He has to stay for the first goal, any touch he has to wait for and can't get over when there is no touch. The second, Milner stands aside and the ball goes through the wall Hart had set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 What mistakes? He has to stay for the first goal, any touch he has to wait for and can't get over when there is no touch. The second, Milner stands aside and the ball goes through the wall Hart had set. TV suggested he could have done better for 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hinsleburg Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 TV suggested he could have done better for 2nd. i think thats harsh, it was milners fault for seperating the wall. i think Hart hasn't done much wrong if we're being honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Just takes the spotlight off the overrated, overpaid, talentless bunch in front of him. These are people paid a King's ransom who have not mastered the basic skills of the game. Can't control a ball and constantly giving it away. Walcott for instance is the Ivan Sproule of the England team; loads of pace and no brains at all. And how does the pedestrain Milner get in the side ahead of Johnson and Young? Note that yet another fairly minor team does the basic things much better. But of course the clubs do not accept there is anything wrong with coaching in this country and fight any reform tooth and nail. No doubt we will qualify and the players and tablois will be saying yet again that we will win it. Agree with much of this. Remember though, for all the Swiss may be a minor nation their coach is very decorated and an excellent coach is always of use. Ottmar Hitzeld, sure we've heard of him- only one of two coaches to win 2 CLs with different clubs in the last 20 years. Very flexible tactically too- hell Switzerland beat Spain last summer thanks to his tactical nous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 What mistakes? He has to stay for the first goal, any touch he has to wait for and can't get over when there is no touch. The second, Milner stands aside and the ball goes through the wall Hart had set. Absolutely. Manager has made a terrible job of team selection. We have virtually no creation. Our attacking options are Young, Downing and Zamora..... Not great but Dwoning andf Young must be an improvement on Milner and Walcott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 i think thats harsh, it was milners fault for seperating the wall. i think Hart hasn't done much wrong if we're being honest. Agree with you, will have to see the 2nd again though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Harts a quality young keeper to be fair and he is not the problem, we should be thankful we finally have a decent keeper that has come through.. The problem is we cannot execute the basics, our ball retention is dreadful. We have no ball players in the middle bar Wilshere its disgraceful really. The problems in English football are so deep rooted it imo is going to take a decade if not more before we see players that are technically at the level of a Spaniard or Brazilian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Agree with much of this. Remember though, for all the Swiss may be a minor nation their coach is very decorated and an excellent coach is always of use. Ottmar Hitzeld, sure we've heard of him- only one of two coaches to win 2 CLs with different clubs in the last 20 years. Very flexible tactically too- hell Switzerland beat Spain last summer thanks to his tactical nous! Capello is of similar stature to Hitzfeld (of whom I am a big fan, as is Alex Ferguson who it was said nominated him as successor before he withdrew his retirement) but the problem is not at that level it starts with the hopelessly inadequate coaching from an early age. That is why our players have less technical ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Just had the pleasure of watching Switzerland's first two goals against England. Joe Hart having a mare, as did Robert Green and Paul Robinson some time ago. I know Jamo isn't the future, but any chance of an emergency call up to help us through the euro qualifiers? one "mistake" and drop the young keeper?? we wont have any keepers left soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Great work by Young! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Great work by Young! Which begs the question why he (as one of the few in the squad who can control, pass, cross and shoot and takes good set pieces) did not start the game. Milner or Young (or indeed Johnson) is a no brainer imo. Still, this is the country that made Carlton Palmer an international. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Which begs the question why he (as one of the few in the squad who can control, pass, cross and shoot and takes good set pieces) did not start the game. Milner or Young (or indeed Johnson) is a no brainer imo. Still, this is the country that made Carlton Palmer an international. Yeah, too true- Graham Taylor, Carlton Palmer- halycon days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Nothing to do with Hart it was the 2 brain dead, overpaid, cowards in the wall. They jumped up turned their backs and left a huge gap where the ball went through. Standing in a wall is easy and even brain dead footballers should understand what is needed, stand your ground, face the ball and stand ******* still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NATCHER Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Was Darren Bent once known as Junior? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted June 4, 2011 Author Share Posted June 4, 2011 Was Darren Bent once known as Junior? ... having just seen the miss it would seem so .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 ... having just seen the miss it would seem so .... Harry Redknapp's wife would have scored that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Perhaps they're related... Level pegging seems about right atm. Has been a fairly good comeback, but given Switzerland have no striker worthy of the name- Frei and Streller quit not long ago- it's still not great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NATCHER Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Perhaps they're related... I was thinking that they were the same person. Highest English born scorer in The EPL, and some say Maynard isn't good enough . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Bottom line guys Walcott not good enough, Bent not good enough, Parker not good enough, Milner not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tins Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 What mistakes? He has to stay for the first goal, any touch he has to wait for and can't get over when there is no touch. The second, Milner stands aside and the ball goes through the wall Hart had set. He should of been ready in case the first goes straight through, it happens so much! The second was a MASSIVE mistake, he got his foot to it, which means he could of got a hand to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 and Downing not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 and Lampard past his sell by date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Lampard is the most overrated footballer I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Bottom line guys Walcott not good enough, Bent not good enough, Parker not good enough, Milner not good enough. Why stop there? Yet again a major problem in midfield where we were completely outplayed. Perhaps the poor dears are tired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Draw seemed about right tbh- Ferdinand 90th minute though- wow, he timed that well! This close to being a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Bottom line guys Walcott not good enough, Bent not good enough, Parker not good enough, Milner not good enough. Didn't Parker get voted Football Writers Player of the Year? Still though, technically speaking though I do wonder- Milner not the best, Bent does score goals- though not today alas, Walcott has pace to burn... Overall though, if Spain, Holland, Germany amongst others saw that they won't be too scared of us for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Liked Young's movement between the lines in that 2nd half- reminded me a bit of Ozil last summer vs us, perhaps a good place to deploy him in future- though his versatility is always a boost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Lampard is the most overrated footballer I've ever seen. He is on his way down for sure but the guy scored 20 goals + a season in a top league for the last 5 years at least. Jose Had no problem getting the best out of him so why could England never do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 He is on his way down for sure but the guy scored 20 goals + a season in a top league for the last 5 years at least. Jose Had no problem getting the best out of him so why could England never do it? No doubt he's a good goalscorer but he isn't a team player in my opinion. At Chelsea he usually plays just behind the striker and if your a Chelsea player, you will get numerous chances in that position so of course he will score a lot, elsewhere on the pitch however he goes missing. England should finish with Lampard now and play Gerrard/Wilshere together in the middle for now on and when Gerrard is out play the young players like Rodwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Heard an interesting but contentious call on 606. Suggests that in many cases, top foreign players may make some of our top players look better than they are. Potential examples may well be, Terry and Carvalho- the latter compensating for the lack of pace and to a small extent, technical nous of the former, Gerrard and Torres before the latter went off the boil totally and Lampard bombing on while Essien- and before him Makelele- took care of the shop in a defensive sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 A guy on 606 said he'd rather the Swansea 11 played in place of our England squad, as the footy would be better. If they were all English I'd give em a game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Just had the pleasure of watching Switzerland's first two goals against England. Joe Hart having a mare, as did Robert Green and Paul Robinson some time ago. I know Jamo isn't the future, but any chance of an emergency call up to help us through the euro qualifiers? I dont know if DJ is the answer of Englands goalkeeper. But Im very glad he is a City player. Probably the best keeper in cc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Just had the pleasure of watching Switzerland's first two goals against England. Joe Hart having a mare, as did Robert Green and Paul Robinson some time ago. I know Jamo isn't the future, but any chance of an emergency call up to help us through the euro qualifiers? I dont know if DJ is the answer of Englands goalkeeper. But Im very glad he is a City player. Probably the best keeper in cc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 dAVID jAMES IS TWICE THE PLAYER THE WANNAA BE'S ARE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Heard an interesting but contentious call on 606. Suggests that in many cases, top foreign players may make some of our top players look better than they are. Potential examples may well be, Terry and Carvalho- the latter compensating for the lack of pace and to a small extent, technical nous of the former, Gerrard and Torres before the latter went off the boil totally and Lampard bombing on while Essien- and before him Makelele- took care of the shop in a defensive sense. Not so much contentious as spot on imo. In their club sides they have the foreign players to do the sophisticated stuff while they do the blood and guts. At international level they have to do it all themselves and they are not up to it. It's straight 4-4-2 or nothing and they can't even do that very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Another classic c*ck up from ITV When the score was shown across the bottom of the screen ( on about 50 mins) it said goalscorer was Walcott (penalty) can anyone do a screen shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Nothing Hart could do about the second. I liked the look of the midfield - in fact the only changes I would do when fit is Walcott out Young in; and Milner out Rooney in. Yes I'd leave out Gerrard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Cant see things improving anytime soon when Terry thinks along these lines ..... "we didnt get the LUCK WE DESERVED today ...... " . We got exactly what we deserved today. When comments like that seem acceptable to an England captain then we're in trouble - what a crock of over-payed multi-millionaire shite!! ..... ..... Bobby Moore (RIP) must be turning in his grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 What mistakes? He has to stay for the first goal, any touch he has to wait for and can't get over when there is no touch. The second, Milner stands aside and the ball goes through the wall Hart had set. Totally agree. Pub defending by those in front him. On the first goal, where was Ferdinand going? I know he had ballet lessons as a kid, but really................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedo Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 I think the team needs a bit of an overhaul before it can progress. GK: Hart RB: Richards CB: Cahill CB: Dawson LB: Baines RM: Young CM: Henderson CM: Parker LM: Johnson ST: Bent ST: Carroll I think a line up similar to this should at least be trailed at some point. A good, hungry side in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tins Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 I think the team needs a bit of an overhaul before it can progress. GK: Hart RB: Richards CB: Cahill CB: Dawson LB: Baines RM: Young CM: Henderson CM: Parker LM: Johnson ST: Bent ST: Carroll I think a line up similar to this should at least be trailed at some point. A good, hungry side in my opinion. I thought Henderson was a RM? Anyway i like the idea, but i would still put Gerrard in for Henderson, Rooney for Bent and Terry for Dawson. We need some experience in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 I think the team needs a bit of an overhaul before it can progress. GK: Hart RB: Richards CB: Cahill CB: Dawson LB: Baines RM: Young CM: Henderson CM: Parker LM: Johnson ST: Bent ST: Carroll I think a line up similar to this should at least be trailed at some point. A good, hungry side in my opinion. Like various elements of the side, less so the formation. Not sure how technically adept the central midfield are- imagine Henderson and Parker v Xavi and Iniesta!? Carroll and Bent would IMO have question marks over their all round game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Cant see things improving anytime soon when Terry thinks along these lines ..... "we didnt get the LUCK WE DESERVED today ...... " . We got exactly what we deserved today. When comments like that seem acceptable to an England captain then we're in trouble - what a crock of over-payed multi-millionaire shite!! ..... ..... Bobby Moore (RIP) must be turning in his grave. In football these days it is out of the question to say you have played badly. The players' egos are such that they can never be the case so Terry will actually believe what he says. Contrast with Matt Pryor saying the England cricket team had bowled and fielded badly yesterday. Not inclined to insult our intelligence the way footballers do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Just had the pleasure of watching Switzerland's first two goals against England. Joe Hart having a mare, as did Robert Green and Paul Robinson some time ago. I know Jamo isn't the future, but any chance of an emergency call up to help us through the euro qualifiers? What mistake. First goal he could do nothing about and the second Millner moved,it was his fault not Harts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 I think the team needs a bit of an overhaul before it can progress. GK: Hart RB: Richards CB: Cahill CB: Dawson LB: Baines RM: Young CM: Henderson CM: Parker LM: Johnson ST: Bent ST: Carroll I think a line up similar to this should at least be trailed at some point. A good, hungry side in my opinion. Eh? Leaving out our best player for some years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hinsleburg Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 this would be my next world cup squad based on current ability and potential. Hart Walker Dawson Smalling Cole Wilshere Henderson Huddlestone (to sit a little deeper) Young A.Johnson Rooney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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