Guest CityHead33 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I know its a bit harsh, but recently KM was on about shortening squad size. Just think it would be interesting to see you opinions on players we could do without. My list: Cisse Stewart Ball Hoban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Cisse was very good for us last season, once he had a run in the side.... The two players are lucky to be still be at the club are Jamie McAllister and Dean Gerken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I know its a bit harsh, but recently KM was on about shortening squad size. Just think it would be interesting to see you opinions on players we could do without. My list: Cisse Stewart Ball Hoban Hoban was released at the end of last season Dont reckon we would miss Errington Kelly much !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I know its a bit harsh, but recently KM was on about shortening squad size. Just think it would be interesting to see you opinions on players we could do without. My list: Cisse Stewart Ball Hoban You're right about Hoban. He's already gone. Cisse and Stewart are both first team squad players so I'm not sure why you think we could do without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bcfc-Chris Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 In my opinion Johnson, Clarkson and Hunt should be the first three shown the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_Lemon Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 We could do without? Blimey this could be a long list: Hunt Nyatanga Johnson Skuse Elliot Clarkson Jackson McAllister Campbell-Ryce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 In my opinion Johnson, Clarkson and Hunt should be the first three shown the door. Another two experienced first team squad players who for some reason should be 'shown the door' according to you. Thankfully you're not the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CityHead33 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 We could do without? Blimey this could be a long list: Hunt Nyatanga Johnson Skuse Elliot Clarkson Jackson McAllister Campbell-Ryce Thats half the bloody squad haha and Skuse.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 yes, we could do without our only recognised left back?? It is shocking that August is now upon us and we STILL dont have a decent left back..... And now for the excuses.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihai Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 McCallister... are a very poor left back. Probably the worst LB in Npower Championhship DRIBBLING = ZERO BALL CONTROL = LOWEST TACKLINGS = MANY FOULTS, Penaltyes SPEED = 3 miles per hour..... AGE = old.. we need a young LB 22-27 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evocare Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 We could do without? Blimey this could be a long list: Hunt Nyatanga Johnson Skuse Elliot Clarkson Jackson McAllister Campbell-Ryce He said without Giving you the benift of the doubt here, don't come back and say we would be better off without these players, especially Skuse and Elliot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Excuses or reasons? depends on your agenda I suppose. An agenda? As a lifelong Bristol City fan, what would my "agenda" be? other than wanting city to do well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_Lemon Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 He said without Giving you the benift of the doubt here, don't come back and say we would be better off without these players, especially Skuse and Elliot. Gave 9 names there I think, if they could be replaced with 5 or 6 I would happy to be better off without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 imo Skuse Ribiero Clarkson Woolford (Hope he proves me wrong) Jackson rest all have parts to play until we bring in other stronger players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evocare Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I would happy to be better off without them. And there is the problem. We would not be better off. So you would probably be unhappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 other than wanting city to do well? could have fooled me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 LJ McAllister (or atleast should be backup) Stewart Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tony Montana Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I know its a bit harsh, but recently KM was on about shortening squad size. Just think it would be interesting to see you opinions on players we could do without. My list: Cisse Stewart Ball Hoban Cisse!??? You cant be serious? He's one of the best proper footballers we have at club. He can pass the ball and hold his position well, a much better player than Marv and Skuse in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 could have fooled me. Yeah because I love it when city lose! all those heavy defeats at home last season were very enjoyable! wanting to slag off Mccalister at any given opportunity is becoming something of an obsession. Funny because as far as I can tell he has given his all every time he plays for us and is hard as nails playing through the pain barrier. He ain't the best but he certainly ain't the worst either. You also seem to have it in for Millen regarding the productivity of this transfer window and any counter arguments or reasons for this supposed lack of productivity are cast off as excuses. Sometimes it isn't as clear cut as we all want it to be, and I certainly feel this is so in regard to the murky world of football transfers. Millen hasnt addressed any of our problems apart from signing kilkenny. Our main problem is left back and there is no sign of one. 9 days to go until the season starts. Thats a poor show. I've never questioned the fact he has given his all for us - why would I? But he has'nt been good enough for a few seasons - yet he's still here?! You seem to suggest that I have a problem with Millen or McAllister - I dont - I just dont rate them. Other than not rating them - they have been good servants to Bristol City.... so I dont know why you would imply I have something against them??! I am not Robbored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Yeah because I love it when city lose! all those heavy defeats at home last season were very enjoyable! Purely on pre-season, I'm sure you used to be far more perceptive and patient, where did it all go wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmabbuttshair Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Cisse was very good for us last season, once he had a run in the side.... The two players are lucky to be still be at the club are Jamie McAllister and Dean Gerken. Still got a hard on for Jamie then, Riaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Still got a hard on for Jamie then, Riaz Yeah, gonna get a replica kit with his name on the back...... Will look good on me dont ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmabbuttshair Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 As long as it the fantastic and unbeatable Scotland away kit, effing fantastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 theres a big circle on this forum we all (myself included) seem to be going round it like a scalextrics, No one is right or wrong its just our op Riaz doesn't need to justifiy his self Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 As long as it the fantastic and unbeatable Scotland away kit, effing fantastic Jamie McAllister always said he wanted to play for Scotland again - Its the next best thing I suppose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Yeah, gonna get a replica kit with his name on the back...... Will look good on me dont ya think? No!!I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmabbuttshair Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Jamie McAllister always said he wanted to play for Scotland again - Its the next best thing I suppose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 No one is right or wrong its just our op Riaz doesn't need to justifiy his self Saying the issue isn't being addressed is wrong, there is no debate that it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 We could do without? Blimey this could be a long list: Hunt Nyatanga Johnson Skuse Elliot Clarkson Jackson McAllister Campbell-Ryce Fantastic. Think how dull life would be without this sort of contribution on OTIB. Thanks for the laugh, I needed cheering up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Always makes me laugh when these threads come up and people just pick the players they have seen that in there opinion have not played well. Its always turned into pick the first teamer that I dont appreciate thread rather than who we could do without. IMO Hunt Skuse Ribeiro Edwards Jackson Ball Hoban Reid Amidi-knobhead (nothing personal just dont like the name) To me these are the players we could do without but most of them are youngsters that will hopefully progress in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talk Of The Town Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 wanting to slag off Mccalister at any given opportunity is becoming something of an obsession. Funny because as far as I can tell he has given his all every time he plays for us and is hard as nails playing through the pain barrier. He ain't the best but he certainly ain't the worst either. You also seem to have it in for Millen regarding the productivity of this transfer window and any counter arguments or reasons for this supposed lack of productivity are cast off as excuses. Sometimes it isn't as clear cut as we all want it to be, and I certainly feel this is so in regard to the murky world of football transfers. I really believe at times, that soccer fans think you can pop down to costco and sign players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I was amazed to see that too. He was brilliant last season and arguably our best midfielder. For me. Johnson-Why is he still at our club? Clearly not good enough, he'll never hold down a spot in the team and still on a good wage.Clarkson-Too slow and predictable. Woolford- Could prove me wrong but looks poor. Carey- Times up old fella. Great service but past it. Answered your own question there mucker ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ashton1 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Can't believe cisse was mentioned ??? It would cost a fortune to replace a player of that standard with the experence level ! Skuse and marv would come before him any day ! I think LJ is now ready to move on with Kilkenny at the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Ralph Milne. Oh, has he gone already? When'd that happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Hunt Clarkson Johnson Stewart Jackson I'd like to add McAllister and Nyatanga but we'd need to sign a couple of players before we can truly do without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 i can understand Cisse being mentioned he doesn't appear to be in millens plans he's not feature for our strong team or reserve team much, is he injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talk Of The Town Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Hunt Clarkson Johnson Stewart Jackson I'd like to add McAllister and Nyatanga but we'd need to sign a couple of players before we can truly do without them. Maybe i need a slap but i quite like Clarkson, id give him another season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Maybe i need a slap but i quite like Clarkson, id give him another season. I'm another Clarkson fan. He's good backup at least and can be a useful squad player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I'm another Clarkson fan. He's good backup at least and can be a useful squad player. I'm not I don't rate him and never had can't see him getting in ahead of Maynard Taylor Stead or Pitman which is why he's on my list, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Everyone has a part to play, maybe a better question would be who we should ship out with a view to buying replacements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete1975Legend Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Skuse Clarkson Carey Hunt Gerken Campbell ryce That'll do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Horsman Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Hunt, Johno, and Stewart out of our senior pros. Decent loan moves for Jackson, Lennox, Ball, and Holloway at a reasonable level. If Maynard stays and Brett, Steady and Ryan Taylor stay fit, would look to recoup as much as possible for Claky by selling him (hopefully) back to a SPL club. I am fully behind Riaz when it comes to McAllister. Only reason I am not including him, is because he is our only specialist senior lb. If we signed another, I would gladly wave him goodbye. No disrespect intended just don't rate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Not based on that much but the little I've seen of Jackson I'd like to see him stay, we have an abundance of strikers but he's pacier than half of them put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Players who I think we don't need: McCallister (need a decent LB) Lee Johnson (Done his time. Good for League 1) David Clarkson (not good enough) Nyatanga (again not good enough) We badly need to replace McCallister and Nyatanga with decent players who will give us a chance of doing well in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Add to the above I would rate Nyatanga above Stewart, am I alone in this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Add to the above I would rate Nyatanga above Stewart, am I alone in this? Nyatanga was probably our best defender last season behind the loanees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Maybe i need a slap but i quite like Clarkson, id give him another season. I think he's the fifth choice striker out of six and we only need four. He's also a big earner, we paid the best part of a million for him and that means he's on 6-8k a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete1975Legend Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Skuse Clarkson Carey Hunt Gerken Campbell ryce That'll do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Nyatanga was probably our best defender last season behind the loanees. I'd probably agree, wasn't a fan of him at all in his first season but he won me over, whenever I saw him he was either deputising well in the left-back roll or overshadowing Stewart at centre-back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I don't really understand why people are saying we could do without Ball... He's young, probably not on anything like the wages the majority of the squad are, and hasn't had a proper chance yet really. He's only got a 6 month contract anyway, give the lad a chance! Currently I think the only players we could move on without needing a replacement are Johnson and Clarkson. Also a bit amazed Gerken's name has been mentioned, we only have 2 keepers, and Jamo wasn't fit for the whole of last season (didn't play every game)... We definitely need Gerken as back-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notsobigfatdave Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Goalkeepers <li>1 David James<li>12 Dean GerkenDefenders2 Nicky Hunt3 Jamie McAllister4 Liam Fontaine5 Damion Stewart6 Louis Carey18 James Wilson19 Christian Ribeiro22 Lewin Nyatanga23 Joe EdwardsMidfielders7 Marvin Elliott8 Lee Johnson11 Martyn Woolford14 Cole Skuse20 Jamal Campbell-Ryce21 Kalifa Cisse27 Albert Adomah33 Bobby Reid35 Aaron HollowayNeil KilkennyForwards9 David Clarkson10 Nicky Maynard24 Marlon Jackson30 Jonathan Stead34 Brett PitmanRyan Taylor Oh and I nearly forgot MILLEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidNoble Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Why does everybody want Deano to go so badly!? Always rated him and feel he'll be a great successor for when Jameo calls time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 It seems there's a lot of players on our books who in honesty aren't championship winning standard. To me the more interesting question is who would you be gutted... I mean properly gutted if we sold. I'm an optimist but my list is shorter that the 'wouldn't mind going' column. To win the champ I'd keep: Fonts Kilkenny Albert Maynard Pitman Stead Hoping for a cracking start to the season... but in my mind this sums up where we actually are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 It seems there's a lot of players on our books who in honesty aren't championship winning standard. To me the more interesting question is who would you be gutted... I mean properly gutted if we sold. I'm an optimist but my list is shorter that the 'wouldn't mind going' column. To win the champ I'd keep: Fonts Kilkenny Albert Maynard Pitman Stead Hoping for a cracking start to the season... but in my mind this sums up where we actually are! Seconded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 He is never going to be a championship striker or winger, pointless keeping him. IMO. Agree with your point Jordan. Not trying to antagonise but being a regular reader but non poster can I make a potentially contentious point... isn't IMO the most pointless thing to write possible? Surely everything anyone on here ever writes is in their opinion!? Just a thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 No, we had a big discussion and if you don't put it at the end of a post you get accused of stating your opinion as fact! I'm obviously an amateur at this game - not aimed at u but it seems entirely pointless... IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin101 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 It seems there's a lot of players on our books who in honesty aren't championship winning standard. To me the more interesting question is who would you be gutted... I mean properly gutted if we sold. I'm an optimist but my list is shorter that the 'wouldn't mind going' column. To win the champ I'd keep: Fonts Kilkenny Albert Maynard Pitman Stead Hoping for a cracking start to the season... but in my mind this sums up where we actually are! Ribiero - Because if he could get over that injury problem then he looks no worse than anyone we could buy (at a sensible fee). Fontaine Albert Elliot Skuse Pitman Maynard. EDIT: IMO - apparently thats what the kool (cool with a k hey hey) kids do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin101 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 No Stead, Kilkenny or James? and Skuse? good enough for the Prem/championship winner? Would you really be that gutted if stead left? Why? The other 8 sets of fans don't appear to traumatised. Well, Kilkenny only just got here so i reserve judgement. And James has 1 season at best left and isn't that good anyway (gasp) so no i wouldn't be that gutted. Would be more disappointed if gerken left (just ignore it Riaz). I like Skuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I'm obviously an amateur at this game - not aimed at u but it seems entirely pointless... IMO You really are an amateur. What you have stated in your sentence is a fact especially the "entirely pointless" bit. Therefore you don't need a IMO. FACT. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numbeast Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 As things stand at the moment I'd say we could do without these players Dave Clarkson - We have Pitman to cover Maynard and Taylor for Stead One from Elliott, Skuse or Cisse - All 3 are similar so an ideal chance to trim the squad without weakening it Lee Johnson and Nicky Hunt would also be on my list mainly because they'd both be on a hiding to nothing. The only problem would be leaving the cover in those position to Bobby Reid and Joe Edwards although in the absence of Killkenny one of the DM's could cover. There are others I would look at such as Riberio and Wilson due to their injury record but as we are light in defence and I assume their not on extortionate wages I give them this season to prove their selves. Our real problem is we have to have replacements ready before we look at players such as JamieMc (who I don't think is quite as bad as some make out) and they need to be significantly better that what we have. We also need a youth or development squad with players who could be called upon in an injury crisses. We have a few of these such as Edwards and Reid but the acedemy needs to be more productive on this. Despite Keith telling us about the size of the squad we only have 21 experiance first teamers now. The rest of that so-called large squad consist of the likes of James Wilson, Marlon Jackson etc even Ribs has only a handful of games under his belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin101 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Yeah, I would. He's the classiest striker at the club. He's the first player we've had in years that just looks Prem class. Not only that but he's such a top bloke, really seems to care about the club already. (I'm a fan ) I don't want him to leave (obviously). He's a good player, but Prem class? Your O i suppose. What about maynard though? I see your point about caring for the club however, which is why i'm always a little sad (well. not sad, but you get me...) when one of our longer serving player leaves. I don't really know what i'm chatting about but fyiicbaatmtbh - yeah. Decipher that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semblar Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 I wonder - would the lists be any shorter if each poster had to donate £1 to the statue fund for each player on their list that made the starting 11 against Ipswich? And how much shorter again if it was if they were in the matchday squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 You really are an amateur. What you have stated in your sentence is a fact especially the "entirely pointless" bit. Therefore you don't need a IMO. FACT. IMO That was the point sparky... someone had to nibble! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmissionImpossible Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 oooh are we just naming players we dont like? Excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leetrundlesrightfoot Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 wanting to slag off Mccalister at any given opportunity is becoming something of an obsession. Funny because as far as I can tell he has given his all every time he plays for us and is hard as nails playing through the pain barrier. He ain't the best but he certainly ain't the worst either. You also seem to have it in for Millen regarding the productivity of this transfer window and any counter arguments or reasons for this supposed lack of productivity are cast off as excuses. Sometimes it isn't as clear cut as we all want it to be, and I certainly feel this is so in regard to the murky world of football transfers. jamie mac is made to look worse by the exposure from jcr- when danny rose was playing left winf, or even woolford did no body notice we played with a more solid unit, conceded less goals, and long behold.............mccalister looked ok..........its fashionable to hate a player, its been lj, its been nicky hunt (who some morons are now in love with) and now jamie mac is the new target- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 He is never going to be a championship striker or winger, pointless keeping him. IMO. Very sweeping statement for someone who's made so few appearances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 jamie mac is made to look worse by the exposure from jcr- when danny rose was playing left winf, or even woolford did no body notice we played with a more solid unit, conceded less goals, and long behold.............mccalister looked ok..........its fashionable to hate a player, its been lj, its been nicky hunt (who some morons are now in love with) and now jamie mac is the new target- That is the shittest excuse I keep hearing for mcallister - Even IF this was true, this does not make him lump it, when he has plenty of options!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dougal135 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Hunt Nyatanga Johnson Clarkson Jackson McAllister Whoever said get rid of Skuse + Elliot should be shot........Are you mad?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Hunt Nyatanga Johnson Clarkson Jackson McAllister Whoever said get rid of Skuse + Elliot should be shot........Are you mad?!! I think one of them have to go. Not because I dont think there good enough, but Skuse and Elliott play a similar role to Cisse and to have 3 of them is too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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