Robbored Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Great all action performance from him tonight, a goal and an assist to top it all. I'm glad McInnes's stubborn streak finally broke and he went two up front which enabled Pitman a start at last and the reward was three points against a very decent outfit. What more does Pitman have to do hold down a starting place? Came on against Palace, scores twice and scored again tonight. I'll be amazed/very disapointed if he doesn't start against Cardiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 getting splinters in his ass all season... let's hope he stays in for Baadiff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Ask your mate Millen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 can't imagine McInnes making drastic changes to that team, wasn't at the game but from what i've heard I hope Bryan gets to start can imagine a bit of passion coming from him in a derby game against Cardiff rather than Bolasie or Kilkenny. However I fear with a few days for players to rest up he will go with a midfield of LW: Pearson, CM: Kilkenny, CM: Cisse, RW: Adomah. What I would want to see: LW: Bryan, CM: Pearson (sounded like he had a cracker tonight from commentators) CM: Cisse, RW: Adomah - don't think you can leave him out or on the bench for this tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Why not leave it as it is and use Albert as an impact sub? Gives them something to think about when their left back is knackered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 Ask your mate Millen... Nothing much has changed since Millen was sacked. Apart from tonight we've seen the same one up front, same playing players out of position, same tactical switches, same formation changes.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Pitman is one of the only players we have who can score. Should be in the team every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Nothing much has changed since Millen was sacked. Apart from tonight we've seen the same one up front, same playing players out of position, same tactical switches, same formation changes.......... What about the 28 points?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 What about the 28 points?. I forgot to say that we've had the same inconsistent results. Stretches of decent results followed by periods of poor results........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 I forgot to say that we've had the same inconsistent results. Stretches of decent results followed by periods of poor results........ and 28 points, which at least have given us a chance. As for the highlighted sentence, not this season though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 and 28 points, which at least have given us a chance. As for the highlighted sentence, not this season though. A good run of results just after McInnes arrived followed by a period of indifferent ones and recently a very poor of results during which City conceded around 15 goals...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 A good run of results just after McInnes arrived followed by a period of indifferent ones and recently a very poor of results during which City conceded around 15 goals...... and 28 points!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Pitman is one of the only players we have who can score. Should be in the team every week. Exactly...Wood could not hit a cows arse with a Banjo and is clearly out of form. This does not make him a bad player just a striker that needs a goal or a spell in the stiffs. Pitman and Stead have something to prove to Mr McInness and if they dont start on Saturday (without a good reason) then most would have a point if they questioned Mr McInness on why. A goal a piece and three tonight tells its own story, however be prepared to ship some goals as we aren't as solid as all that. But as many have said, if we are going down go down fighting not playing one up front inviting teams on to remain 'solid' AS IT HAS NOT WORKED...21 recent goals against shows that!! I have a renewed faith that we might just get out of this bloody mess and Mr McInness will be that more experienced fot it!! Cant wait for the sheep shaggers on Saturday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 and 28 points!!!!! We'll never know how many points Millen would have achieved. One thing is pretty certain, City won't reach 60 points this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 We'll never know how many points Millen would have achieved. One thing is pretty certain, City won't reach 60 points this season. We had 6 points from the first 12 games. Pretty sure we would'nt have got 28 points for the Whole season, let alone in the 23 games delboy has been in charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 We'll never know how many points Millen would have achieved. One thing is pretty certain, City won't reach 60 points this season. Yep you're right for once we'll never know, but hey he gave us a pretty big clue about how few points we would have achieved. 60 points? that is as usual completely irrelevant, this season is, was and always was about survival, even though Millen expected us to be challenging, but he never saw that coming did he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 We'll never know how many points Millen would have achieved. One thing is pretty certain, City won't reach 60 points this season. We had 6 points from the first 12 games. Pretty sure we would'nt have got 28 points for the Whole season. We got 28 points in 23 under del. Thats half a season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilC Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 I forgot to say that we've had the same inconsistent results. Stretches of decent results followed by periods of poor results........ And the same lazyness / lack of passion from a select number of players... Although having said that tonight was an exception. Cannot remember the players shouting / instructing / commanding and communicating so much for a while, so credit where credit's due, despite my previous statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to the rhythm Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 can't imagine McInnes making drastic changes to that team, wasn't at the game but from what i've heard I hope Bryan gets to start can imagine a bit of passion coming from him in a derby game against Cardiff rather than Bolasie or Kilkenny. However I fear with a few days for players to rest up he will go with a midfield of LW: Pearson, CM: Kilkenny, CM: Cisse, RW: Adomah. What I would want to see: LW: Bryan, CM: Pearson (sounded like he had a cracker tonight from commentators) CM: Cisse, RW: Adomah - don't think you can leave him out or on the bench for this tbh. If Kilkenny plays on Saturday it will be a disgrace. He was awful in the short time he was on the pitch tonight, as he has been for most of this season. I would not give a damn if he never played for my club again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 We had 6 points from the first 12 games. Pretty sure we would'nt have got 28 points for the Whole season. We got 28 points in 23 under del. Thats half a season No point debating it Riaz, we'll never know. Just like we'd never predicted that City would concede 3 goals in 5 of the last 7 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 No point debating it Riaz, we'll never know. Just like we'd never predicted that City would concede 3 goals in 5 of the last 7 games. I think we all know deep down, that we would have finished bottom had we kept your mate Millen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lifelong Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 We'll never know how many points Millen would have achieved. One thing is pretty certain, City won't reach 60 points this season. And we certainly wont achieve a top 10 finish like we always managed under the conference manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Great all action performance from him tonight, a goal and an assist to top it all. I'm glad McInnes's stubborn streak finally broke and he went two up front which enabled Pitman a start at last and the reward was three points against a very decent outfit. What more does Pitman have to do hold down a starting place? Came on against Palace, scores twice and scored again tonight. I'll be amazed/very disapointed if he doesn't start against Cardiff. You should ask Ralphminesleftfoot this question. I'm sure he will produce loads of internet stats to prove that 1... Pitman is not good enough 2... We should not play 4-4-2 3... McIness should be sacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 You should ask Ralphminesleftfoot this question. I'm sure he will produce loads of internet stats to prove that 1... Pitman is not good enough 2... We should not play 4-4-2 3... McIness should be sacked Another thesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Another thesis. Naahhh , we won tonight. He probably won't be around until we lose next. Hopefully that won't be for a while !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chinnock Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Someone mentioned to me tonight that he was linked back to the south coast. Apparently Bournemouth are going to re-sign him in the summer, please tell me this is absolutely bullsh*t!!! Was brilliant tonight, battled all the way and had an end product (Except a few times!) Composed and can pick a pass. Very clever player. ....Also good to see him unable to sit down when he was subbed! SuperBrett! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chinnock Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 If only he could take a corner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall King Blox Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 If only he could take a corner! Not tried them...wot they taste like ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shirered Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 When all said and done , it was a big win tonight so why not just sit back and enjoy it !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Pitman hasn't been out of form at all. He hasn't started enough games for some reason and when he has, generally he has a reasonable return of oals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I'd call one goal from the end of September to the Palace Game in February, despite starts and getting pitch time, being out of form. Ditto that he has scored only 2 goals this season, when he has started thus far Clearly your interpretation of being in form and mine differ... You cant be in or out of form, if you are in and out of the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Strikers need a run of 5 or 10 games to get sharpness in front of goal. BP has never had that this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I see, so not scoring or contributing when you are on the pitch or picked as starter during that time frame, means that instantly he was was in form then, according to you as it doesnt matter as despite playing, he should be given free reign on that? Clearly he wasnt in the team for a myriad of reasons, but in my view that's mainly to do with not being in form, or else when he did get the starts, surely he would have continued in that position? No? As above, it's clear the definition of a player being in form, are some what at a different point of view to my own Strikers need a run of games - as murraysrightplum says - they need that to get sharpness. Out of interest, did you go last night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 We've had this discussion in January, Riaz, I said then, if he was in form I'd have no qualms about picking him, and have maintained that all season. I was certain, I'd also gone into a number of other strikers who didnt need a run of games to start scoring, but I cant find it here, must have been somewhere else. I cant remember where, basically, though they dont, and that Pitman has come off the bench to score most of his goals thus rather than when starting would tie in to this. As for yesterday, I was in Hospital for a good portion of the day, so wasnt there. Problem? But goalscorers need a run of games to build form - something he has'nt had - so how can you say he's out of form. I suppose gerken is out of form, sat on the bench (mind you, he's always out of form) No problem that you were not there - I was just going to ask you, how you thought pitman played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Gerken, hasnt been playing all season, 2 games was it vs Leicester, ironically and vs Blackpool. Pitman, has been involved in most of our games this season in on way or another, and barring ocassional hot patches hasnt been doing 'it' consistently enough to maintain his starting position. Thus he hasnt been in form. This could all change now like, it's up to him. I was going to use Stead playing, and playing and playing and playing and so on at Blackburn as an example of not building form. Using this season as an example, Chris Wood was going through a mix of coming off the bench and starting (like Pitman) and managed to maintain a decentish strike rate from the start of the season, before for whatever reason going off the boil in October How do you think he did? Sorry, if Ive missed it We will never agree - I feel strikers cannot be judged when they are not getting a run of games. Take Clarkson for example - I dont think its fair to him that he was never given a run of games to prove himself. I feel strikers need a run of games to produce their best. Pitman did exactly what I know he can do - he found space and scored and was unlucky not to get a 2nd, which stead put away anyway. He's just like maynard in that respect - given games, he'll get goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Gerken, hasnt been playing all season, 2 games was it vs Leicester, ironically and vs Blackpool. Pitman, has been involved in most of our games this season in on way or another, and barring ocassional hot patches hasnt been doing 'it' consistently enough to maintain his starting position. Thus he hasnt been in form. This could all change now like, it's up to him. I was going to use Stead playing, and playing and playing and playing and so on at Blackburn as an example of not building form. Using this season as an example, Chris Wood was going through a mix of coming off the bench and starting (like Pitman) and managed to maintain a decentish strike rate from the start of the season, before for whatever reason going off the boil in October How do you think he did? Sorry, if Ive missed it Nobody has been 'doing it' this season including St. Nicky and as you are well aware Pitman is usually brought on when the game is either lost or we are chasing it, which is always going to be a recipe for shipping in more goals. Lionel Messi would struggle in our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 We will never agree - I feel strikers cannot be judged when they are not getting a run of games. Take Clarkson for example - I dont think its fair to him that he was never given a run of games to prove himself. I feel strikers need a run of games to produce their best. Pitman did exactly what I know he can do - he found space and scored and was unlucky not to get a 2nd, which stead put away anyway. He's just like maynard in that respect - given games, he'll get goals. i think you are right, however in regards to clarkson v pitman, on one hand pitman you know can score goals and look dangerous even when he comes on, then you have clarkson who imo whenever he has started previously or come on, never really looks like he will contribute, in respect of rmlf comments in regards to pitman not scoring when he has been involved coming off the bench, i think this is a very unfair criticism. As more often than not when he has been called upon we have been in losing positions, sometimes to the point where there is no hope of coming back. Asking a striker to come on and miraculously change the game in 25 minutes is not fair especially when the rest of the team are going through the motions until full time. Bottom line is Mcinnes has gone on record to say that Pitman is the best finisher at the club, in that respect Pitman is a must starter until the end of the season, we are in a sitiuation where we need goals to win games and if he is our best finisher the Mcinnes rates him as the man most likely to get a goal..... stead and pitman from now till end of season please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 i think you are right, however in regards to clarkson v pitman, on one hand pitman you know can score goals and look dangerous even when he comes on, then you have clarkson who imo whenever he has started previously or come on, never really looks like he will contribute, in respect of rmlf comments in regards to pitman not scoring when he has been involved coming off the bench, i think this is a very unfair criticism. As more often than not when he has been called upon we have been in losing positions, sometimes to the point where there is no hope of coming back. Asking a striker to come on and miraculously change the game in 25 minutes is not fair especially when the rest of the team are going through the motions until full time. Bottom line is Mcinnes has gone on record to say that Pitman is the best finisher at the club, in that respect Pitman is a must starter until the end of the season, we are in a sitiuation where we need goals to win games and if he is our best finisher the Mcinnes rates him as the man most likely to get a goal..... stead and pitman from now till end of season please But he did get goals in his small number of games..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Pitman's goalscoring record for City is top notch 19 goals in 28 starts (40 sub) When you consider at least half of those sub appearances are probably no more than 10 mins. Just think if you converted say 20 of those sub appearances into full starts you could hypothesise he'd have nearly 30 goals in approximately 50 starts. Cracking goalscorer, and thumped home that finish last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 How many starts has Pitman got this season? Probably hardly any. If he has a run of 5 or 6 games in the team he will score. I can't believe anyone wouldn't have him in the team right now which is lacking goals. Once again, he is probably our only player who can score regularly now Maynard is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Pitman's goalscoring record for City is top notch 19 goals in 28 starts (40 sub) When you consider at least half of those sub appearances are probably no more than 10 mins. Just think if you converted say 20 of those sub appearances into full starts you could hypothesise he'd have nearly 30 goals in approximately 50 starts. Cracking goalscorer, and thumped home that finish last night. Absolutely right Kid... Of course, it will never be enough for Tansley or RMLF... ...because he is not Nicky Maynard.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Great all action performance from him tonight, a goal and an assist to top it all. I'm glad McInnes's stubborn streak finally broke and he went two up front which enabled Pitman a start at last and the reward was three points against a very decent outfit. What more does Pitman have to do hold down a starting place? Came on against Palace, scores twice and scored again tonight. I'll be amazed/very disapointed if he doesn't start against Cardiff. Change his name to Maynard, develop a fantasy that Prem clubs are queuing up for him, string the club along for months in contract talks, stop trying, stop scoring goals and blame rhe fans? Yep, that should do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangers Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Hope we haven't burnt bridges for when it comes to contract talks..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 8 Starts this season, 23 sub appearences No one is saying not to pick him, I've just said he hasn't been in form this season, thus far I'm willing to bet that he hasn't had 3 starts in a row so not sure how you can tell his form from not starting games? I don't think it is fair to judge a players form by the odd start and the odd sub appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 8, 2012 Author Share Posted March 8, 2012 Started vs Reading L 3-2, Vs Blackpool L5-0 and vs Peterborough.L 2-1 Rightly picked for the Reading game after coming on and scoring as a sub vs Hull, scored vs Reading, in his the first full game of the 3 successive games and then was utter dross vs Blackpool and off the pace vs Peterborough. reverted back to sub afterwards I stand by what I've said previously Forget all the stats Ralph and just ask yourself who else in the City squad is as good a goalscorer as Pitman? Even when Maynard was at City I always reckoned that Pitman was the better finisher of the two and only his lack of real pace was the reason he was playing second fiddle. He reminds me very much of Tony 'tap-in' Thorpe who scored 50 odd goals for City. Like Thorpe,Pitman doesn't miss many and imo ( and the opinion of many fans) he should start every game simply because he's capable of get a goal out of nothing and there's no-one else who can fill that vacancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Forget all the stats Ralph and just ask yourself who else in the City squad is as good a goalscorer as Pitman? Even when Maynard was at City I always reckoned that Pitman was the better finisher of the two and only his lack of real pace was the reason he was playing second fiddle. He reminds me very much of Tony 'tap-in' Thorpe who scored 50 odd goals for City. Like Thorpe,Pitman doesn't miss many and imo ( and the opinion of many fans) he should start every game simply because he's capable of get a goal out of nothing and there's no-one else who can fill that vacancy. Problem is, Ralph is analysing his very stop-start season basing it mainly on stats and a few opinions on here. I think he if had seen pitman more often this season, he may have a different view. The lad knows where the goals - that much is obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Started vs Reading L 3-2, Vs Blackpool L5-0 and vs Peterborough.L 2-1 Rightly picked for the Reading game after coming on and scoring as a sub vs Hull, scored vs Reading, in his the first full game of the 3 successive games and then was utter dross vs Blackpool and off the pace vs Peterborough. reverted back to sub afterwards I stand by what I've said previously Oh my god, are you being serious?? Sorry but you really are a plonker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Started vs Reading L 3-2, Vs Blackpool L5-0 and vs Peterborough.L 2-1 Rightly picked for the Reading game after coming on and scoring as a sub vs Hull, scored vs Reading, in his the first full game of the 3 successive games and then was utter dross vs Blackpool and off the pace vs Peterborough. reverted back to sub afterwards I stand by what I've said previously Why are you picking on the lad? He is the best striker we have at the club, just as good as nicky if not better! Keep it up Brett! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 8, 2012 Author Share Posted March 8, 2012 I've said he has been off form and out of sorts and used a mix of stats, eyewitness stuff and other things to prove my point of view. That's it. There is no alterior motive, no wanting to get rid, undermine or whatever. He hasnt been on top stride this year, everything IMO points to that..The end. People dont agree with that, that's fine, but to make it out like I've some how got a vendetta or dont rate him or whatever is miles and miles off the mark I don't think that anyone has seen enough of Pitman this season to asses whether he's 'on form' or not. He simply hasn't had the game time to, a) show his form. b) get into any sort of match sharpness. That said, he looked very good when he scored twice against Palace in a 20min cameo recently and looked very good on Tuesday night with a goal and an assist. If you look back over footballing history you'll see a plethora of goalscorers who were often viewed as 'luxury players'.The brilliant Jimmy Greaves was one as was Gary Lineker, Michael Owen and even at 38 Kevin Phillips is still finding the net for Blackpool. These players often did very little for 89 mins but then pop up with the winner. That's how I see Pitman - a natural born goalscorer and imv should start every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset_Cider Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I see, so not scoring or contributing when you are on the pitch or picked as starter during that time frame, means that instantly he was was in form then, according to you as it doesnt matter as despite playing, he should be given free reign on that? Clearly he wasnt in the team for a myriad of reasons, but in my view that's mainly to do with not being in form, or else when he did get the starts, surely he would have continued in that position? No? As above, it's clear the definition of a player being in form, are some what at a different point of view to my own Out of interest was Maynard 'in form' for us then ? Just a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to judge that a player can be on or off form based on stats when he's getting 10 minutes here or 15 minutes there. Every time Pitman's been on the pitch this season he's had it about him. The few comments on here about fitness/laziness have been completely wide of the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Again , I've said nada about fitness/laziness here. No, but others have and you've referred to those posts. I dont agree that you can excuse a player from being judged as being off form, because of the continual, he is only a bit part player schtick, as I've discussed above and plenty of times before. If a player isn't peforming to the best of his abilities or consistently when he is on the pitch then, he isn't on form, irrespective. The same points are made against other players in the same boat, and that' seems to be acceptable, but it's different to do it regarding Pitman?. My point is that he has been on form when he's played, you just can't expect that form to show in the statistics you're basing your view on when he is not getting much time on the pitch. Every time I've seen him brought on he's positively affected the game and looked dangerous or actually scored. He's worked hard, he's retained possession and linked play far better than Wood or Maynard, he's helped out wide and still got into the box and his passing is better than anybody bar Davis and Kilkenny. I cannot see anything in his performances to support your idea that he's not been on form whatsoever. I haven't seen points about "form" made against other players in the same boat myself, more about ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellRedPhil Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Pitman's goalscoring record for City is top notch 19 goals in 28 starts (40 sub) When you consider at least half of those sub appearances are probably no more than 10 mins. Just think if you converted say 20 of those sub appearances into full starts you could hypothesise he'd have nearly 30 goals in approximately 50 starts. Cracking goalscorer, and thumped home that finish last night. Well said. When you consider many of his sub appearances also came on the left wing or for 5-10 mins at the end of a game then it is absurd to judge him. His goals to minutes ratio will still be decent this season and when you consider he hasn't had a run of games or even been played in his preferred position at times suggesting he's been out of form is laughable. Comments from Ralph about Pitman being dire at Blackpool when I very much doubt he was there is priceless. And before you get all pissy that's not a criticism of your attendance Ralph but to evaluate a players performance based on a game you did not attend is ridiculous and one of otib's worst traits. Unless you did make the trip, in which case I take it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangers Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Brett Pitman is a class act and is one of the best natural goal scorers in the league. What worries me is if he will sign a new contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 One thing B'mouth fans said when Pitman signed for us was that he can tend to throw his toys out the pram when things aren't going his way. A bit of a moper and they sulker they reckoned. The fact that Millen and then McInnes didn't play him as a regular starter despite his goalscoring prowess, might be something to do with the way he reacts to being a sub. In fact Pitman himself said during a Player interview that he doesn't handle being on the bench as he should. Just a thought......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellRedPhil Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 One thing B'mouth fans said when Pitman signed for us was that he can tend to throw his toys out the pram when things aren't going his way. A bit of a moper and they sulker they reckoned. The fact that Millen and then McInnes didn't play him as a regular starter despite his goalscoring prowess, might be something to do with the way he reacts to being a sub. In fact Pitman himself said during a Player interview that he doesn't handle being on the bench as he should. Just a thought......... There's been nothing at all to suggest that's the case (bar rumours on otib) but even if it is, if RVP was a bit of a nob Wenger would hardly leave him benched. At the end of the day he's our most natural goalscorer and our most likely source of goals. To leave him out of a team that prior to Tuesday had scored the least goals in the entire football league is just absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 One thing B'mouth fans said when Pitman signed for us was that he can tend to throw his toys out the pram when things aren't going his way. A bit of a moper and they sulker they reckoned. But every time he's been brought on his performances have been full of determination, not moping or sulking one little bit. He desperately wants to play, and that's a very good thing to see in a player IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 There's been nothing at all to suggest that's the case (bar rumours on otib) but even if it is, if RVP was a bit of a nob Wenger would hardly leave him benched. At the end of the day he's our most natural goalscorer and our most likely source of goals. To leave him out of a team that prior to Tuesday had scored the least goals in the entire football league is just absurd. I was just pointing out what the B'mouth fans had said. I don't know if its true but Pitman himself did mention it during an interview so maybe there is something in it. The bottom line is that I, like many other fans would like to know the reason our last two managers have not selected him week in week out as a starter. We all know he's the best finisher ( better than Maynard was imo) at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 But every time he's been brought on his performances have been full of determination, not moping or sulking one little bit. He desperately wants to play, and that's a very good thing to see in a player IMO. Spot on Nibor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Well that's not strictly true now is it. He's come on several times and done nothing at all. I'm glad he's in the team and scoring but let's not all jump on this ridiculous Pitman bandwagon which paints him to be something he clearly isn't. Yes, it is. He's been determined in his performance every single time he's played. Sometimes this hasn't given us results, but it's hard for an attacking player to have much effect if you can't get them the ball. He's never, ever shown any laziness or sulking at all. Far from jumping on the bandwagon, quite a few fans have recognised Pitman's ability and commitment for a long time. It's nice to see him finally getting a chance and I hope he continues to start since he's by some distance our best goalscorer and we need him to sign a new contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangers Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Determined or not he is still a goalscorer and someone who could, potentially, get 15 goals a season......we need to keep hold of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellRedPhil Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I was just pointing out what the B'mouth fans had said. I don't know if its true but Pitman himself did mention it during an interview so maybe there is something in it. The bottom line is that I, like many other fans would like to know the reason our last two managers have not selected him week in week out as a starter. We all know he's the best finisher ( better than Maynard was imo) at the club. I think a lot of us would like to know that and we'll never know why. I know you're a Pitman fan RR and I think most people recognise he has to play every game. Hopefully McInnes does now as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellRedPhil Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Well that's not strictly true now is it. He's come on several times and done nothing at all. I'm glad he's in the team and scoring but let's not all jump on this ridiculous Pitman bandwagon which paints him to be something he clearly isn't. Nonsense. Yes, it is. He's been determined in his performance every single time he's played. Sometimes this hasn't given us results, but it's hard for an attacking player to have much effect if you can't get them the ball. He's never, ever shown any laziness or sulking at all. Far from jumping on the bandwagon, quite a few fans have recognised Pitman's ability and commitment for a long time. It's nice to see him finally getting a chance and I hope he continues to start since he's by some distance our best goalscorer and we need him to sign a new contract. Exactly. Dear Jordan, so quick to point out others misunderstandings, seems unable to grasp the difference between trying and performing well. I agree that Pitman has never looked sulky and more often than not looks lively when coming on, even if we barely have the ball (which isn't exactly rare). Jordan him not "busting a gut" as you put it does not mean he is not trying. Pitman makes clever runs and links up well, his movement is exceptional and his game does not revolve around him aimlessly running around. Some people may prefer to see strikers such as Maynard chase the keeper down week after week to no avail but if you are not doing that it does not mean you're not trying. The classic lazy tag Thorpe found himself branded with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellRedPhil Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 No no, my mistake. Pitman has been world class everytime he's come on the pitch this season. There is not a single fault in his game and we may as well drop the other ten and let the sheer presence of the man lead us to safety (probably have to substitute him after 75mins though because he'll be blowing out of his arse) Well done on missing the point again, you should take your own advice and make sure you understand what was written in posts before replying to them. Nibor and myself were referring to whether or not Pitman's committed to the cause and that there have been no signs that he has shown a bad attitude or lack of effort when coming onto the pitch. Of course he's not amazing every time, he's not Messi, but his effort cannot be called into question based on what we have seen this season and the way he has been treated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Well, I've seen plenty of examples. One thing Brett isn't is determined. Not a slight on him, but Tuesday was the first time I've seen him bust a gut... No coincidence that the rest of the team doing it inspired him. I'm happy there's a new cult hero for some. Not for me though, not yet. I really do wonder how anybody could watch him play and come to that conclusion. I think you've backed yourself into a corner and aren't really looking at his performances with an open mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Well, when he ***** up and loses the ball he rarely shows determination to get it back or even make it hard for the defender to play out. When he ambles to keeper to make him clear it he doesn't show determination to get back onside so he can participate in the next attack. When he goes down like a fairy and has a comfortable lie down he doesn't show determination for the side to do his job. I don't think I've backed myself into a corner at all. I think I see him for what he is. A good finisher with shocking natural fitness and no pace to speak of. I don't see why I shouldn't dislike many aspects to his game just because he's the new golden boy. Why werent you this critical of Nicky Maynard? - maynard looked much less determinedand thats comparing his against his own standards as well as pitmans You made your mind up about both players and dont want to change your mind about either. He's no golden boy, he's just developing into what nicky maynard used to be for us.... and I think he may be even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Well, when he ***** up and loses the ball he rarely shows determination to get it back or even make it hard for the defender to play out. When he ambles to keeper to make him clear it he doesn't show determination to get back onside so he can participate in the next attack. When he goes down like a fairy and has a comfortable lie down he doesn't show determination for the side to do his job. I don't think I've backed myself into a corner at all. I think I see him for what he is. A good finisher with shocking natural fitness and no pace to speak of. I don't see why I shouldn't dislike many aspects to his game just because he's the new golden boy. Your observations of Pitman are almost completely and utterly at odds with mine and everyone I know who watches games regularly. He rarely loses the ball in the first place and he is often harrassing the defenders for possession. And you're commenting on his fitness? Unless you've seen his training record that's ridiculous. It means you think running around a lot shows fitness and you're confused about what a striker's job actually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest meltonmowbrayred Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Well that's not strictly true now is it. He's come on several times and done nothing at all. I'm glad he's in the team and scoring but let's not all jump on this ridiculous Pitman bandwagon which paints him to be something he clearly isn't. I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle; he is a totally focused individual (selfish if you like) and is all about scoring goals. This is exactly what you need when everything is going well, and if it was he,d get 25 per season. Things aren,t and hes not playing games because hes recently been seen as a luxury as his workrate is not as high as other players, and we thought we needed 5 in midfield. He,s only starting now because we are trying to get a 442 working. It worked well against Leicester because the balance was right. Pitman played in the middle and put in the same extra effort they all did. He is a great asset to the club and if we get the midfield right he will be in the team and score for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest meltonmowbrayred Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle; he is a totally focused individual (selfish if you like) and is all about scoring goals. This is exactly what you need when everything is going well, and if it was he,d get 25 per season. Things aren,t and hes not playing games because hes recently been seen as a luxury as his workrate is not as high as other players, and we thought we needed 5 in midfield. He,s only starting now because we are trying to get a 442 working. It worked well against Leicester because the balance was right. Pitman played in the middle and put in the same extra effort they all did. He is a great asset to the club and if we get the midfield right he will be in the team and score for fun. "middle" meaning central Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Well, when he ***** up and loses the ball he rarely shows determination to get it back or even make it hard for the defender to play out. When he ambles to keeper to make him clear it he doesn't show determination to get back onside so he can participate in the next attack. When he goes down like a fairy and has a comfortable lie down he doesn't show determination for the side to do his job. I don't think I've backed myself into a corner at all. I think I see him for what he is. A good finisher with shocking natural fitness and no pace to speak of. I don't see why I shouldn't dislike many aspects to his game just because he's the new golden boy. The difference with Brett and any other striker at our club is that when he gets a chance, he scores 99% of the time. Wood, stead and Maynard( when he was here) don't have that same ability as Brett does. He is a gifted striker, knows full well where the net is! Back to your post, when did nicky ever shut men down, determined to win the ball back after losing it? Actually, when did any striker do that at our club? Only striker who works his socks off is stead. The main thing we all ask for a striker is to put that football in the back of the net! And he does that week in week out when given the chance. That's his job and he does it well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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