Jon atyeo is my dad Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Just watched his interview. He looks a broken man since his last interview. Before he was a cheerful confident man, now he looked like a boy who just had a stern telling off from his mother. Also revealed all the players were allowed to speak openly about formations and what's gone wrong during the campaign so far. Also had a little swipe at some who aren't happy but decided to sit back and not voice there opinions when asked. Just my observation for those with no access to player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted December 6, 2012 Admin Share Posted December 6, 2012 Strikers that come here and their form plummets, sounds like a recurring theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UREDS_91 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 seems like he's going to burst into tears at any given moment. We're ruining his career really. Top top player who will bang 20 goals under a decent team playing good football.. We've been doing that to strikers for years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Not pleasant to see Sam so disheartened. Hope he can grab a goal Saturday and get his confidence back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete1975Legend Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Another decent player mcinnes has failed to play, seriously if I was baldock, Davies, Anderson and heaton I'd be looking to get out ASAP if mcinnes stays in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i hate you butler Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Not pleasant to see Sam so disheartened. Hope he can grab a goal Saturday and get his confidence back. gonna be difficult if he aint picked which is likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Another decent player mcinnes has failed to play, seriously if I was baldock, Davies, Anderson and heaton I'd be looking to get out ASAP if mcinnes stays in charge. Am I right in saying Anderson and Heaton are on 1 year deals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete1975Legend Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Am I right in saying Anderson and Heaton are on 1 year deals? Think they might be lucky them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_V1 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Having just watched the interview it is plain to see things are rotten in the camp at the moment. Baldock looks absolutely devastated and it's hardly surprising. Mcinnes needs to sort out quickly who has the fight and determination to succeed and stick with them as it's fairly obvious the players are now divided, with such a pathetic midfield no wonder he's a broken man...a workman without tools so to speak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REBS14 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Am I right in saying Anderson and Heaton are on 1 year deals? heaton till summer 2013 anderson summer 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookEnd Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 At around the 4th minute I actually though the poor lad was going to break down, could hear his voice cracking slightly. Hope he gets a sustained run in the team soon, he's too good to be sat on the sidelines all the time, serious waste of talent imo hope this doesn't turn into another Pitman situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 At around the 4th minute I actually though the poor lad was going to break down, could hear his voice cracking slightly. Hope he gets a sustained run in the team soon, he's too good to be sat on the sidelines all the time, serious waste of talent imo hope this doesn't turn into another Pitman situation. it's destined to go that way, when Danns returns to Molseter and Cole 'Safe' Skuse and 'Marvellous' Marvin Elliott resume their devastating midfield partnership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I don't have player, is there a way I can see the interview using otherways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Did seem a bit emotional, either that or he was shivering in the cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lager loud Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 it's destined to go that way, when Danns returns to Molseter and Cole 'Safe' Skuse and 'Marvellous' Marvin Elliott resume their devastating midfield partnership. You keep mentioning the Skuse/Elliott partnership as being the source of many of our problems. Having had a quick look at the match reports, they only appear to have played one full match together in the League this season - at Huddersfield, when Pearson was the third central midfielder. Apart from that, they started at Peterborough and Birmingham but only played about half the game together and there have been a few other games where Marv came on as a sub. Our midfield has been part of the problem this season, but it's a bit of a stretch to blame that particular partnership when they've only started three games together, one of which we won. I can't be bothered to look back over last season, but I suspect that with Marv's injury and the games Skuse played at right back there weren't that many games in which they were the central midfild two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 You keep mentioning the Skuse/Elliott partnership as being the source of many of our problems. Having had a quick look at the match reports, they only appear to have played one full match together in the League this season - at Huddersfield, when Pearson was the third central midfielder. Apart from that, they started at Peterborough and Birmingham but only played about half the game together and there have been a few other games where Marv came on as a sub. Our midfield has been part of the problem this season, but it's a bit of a stretch to blame that particular partnership when they've only started three games together, one of which we won. I can't be bothered to look back over last season, but I suspect that with Marv's injury and the games Skuse played at right back there weren't that many games in which they were the central midfild two. They are crap in spite of eachother not because of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 You keep mentioning the Skuse/Elliott partnership as being the source of many of our problems. Having had a quick look at the match reports, they only appear to have played one full match together in the League this season - at Huddersfield, when Pearson was the third central midfielder. Apart from that, they started at Peterborough and Birmingham but only played about half the game together and there have been a few other games where Marv came on as a sub. Our midfield has been part of the problem this season, but it's a bit of a stretch to blame that particular partnership when they've only started three games together, one of which we won. I can't be bothered to look back over last season, but I suspect that with Marv's injury and the games Skuse played at right back there weren't that many games in which they were the central midfild two. So far this season they have started or were picked for 3 games and also appeared together for a complete half of game, one or either of them has appeared in pretty much every game this season, there is no doubt that when they are both fit DMC will pick them to play together, in fact for the Huddersfield game it would appear in desperation DMC rushed Elliott back when he wasn't fully fit, they rarely work and have rarely worked in nearly 5 years. Pearson and Killkenny are just as bad, the whole of our midfield is unfit for purpose and has been for 5 years. in the past 4.5 seasons we have won a paltry 63 games out of 204, that equates to less than 15 per season or less than a third of our games, mind you if you believe they are a good combination that's fine you'll be in good company, unfortunately the facts don't bear that out and the sad fact is they will be DMC's first choice as soon as Skuse is fit enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 sounds like he doesnt understand/doesnt get along with McInnes at all and isnt happy with it Rightly so McInnes has just said that Baldock works best in a 4-4-2, he's one of our biggest names if not THE biggest name in our squad, and our only player bar Albert with real pace. IMO he needs to start a lot more preferably up top with Davies - not a bad front 2 to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Baldock was never needed. Should of spent that cash on a midfielder and a Cb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 What Baldock needs is midfielders in deep positions threading that through ball to him, no one in our midfield except danns can do that. Indeed. No coincidence, IMO ,was that Maynard's one great season with us happened when we had Paul Hartley in midfield. Am sure that with similar service Baldock could be just as good. Ain't happening though is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lager loud Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 So far this season they have started or were picked for 3 games and also appeared together for a complete half of game, one or either of them has appeared in pretty much every game this season, there is no doubt that when they are both fit DMC will pick them to play together, in fact for the Huddersfield game it would appear in desperation DMC rushed Elliott back when he wasn't fully fit, they rarely work and have rarely worked in nearly 5 years. Pearson and Killkenny are just as bad, the whole of our midfield is unfit for purpose and has been for 5 years. in the past 4.5 seasons we have won a paltry 63 games out of 204, that equates to less than 15 per season or less than a third of our games, mind you if you believe they are a good combination that's fine you'll be in good company, unfortunately the facts don't bear that out and the sad fact is they will be DMC's first choice as soon as Skuse is fit enough. I don't think they're a good partnership, and I think they both have their limitations. I happen to think Skuse can be a very useful player alongside the right player (Danns might just be the man, but we may never get the chance to find out). I don't think we'll ever again see the superb Marv of the playoff season. if you'd said they were separately bad players, I wouldn't have agreed with you, but could understand the argument. But you keep arguing that it's their playing together that causes our problems: that's what isn't borne out by the facts. As it happens I don't think Del will choose them together unless he really has to, and even then, it will be as part of a central midfield 3 (as at Huddersfield) rather than as a two. I think he realises what a big part our midfield problems has been for a while (no creativity, no midfielder consistently getting around or beyond the forwards) and has tried various things to resolve it - Pearson pushing on, Skuse pushing on, bringing Danns on board. Skuse isn't the answer to that one, and neither is Marv. I just hope that Del manages to find the answer to that (and our central defensive problems) before too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I don't think they're a good partnership, and I think they both have their limitations. I happen to think Skuse can be a very useful player alongside the right player (Danns might just be the man, but we may never get the chance to find out). I don't think we'll ever again see the superb Marv of the playoff season. if you'd said they were separately bad players, I wouldn't have agreed with you, but could understand the argument. But you keep arguing that it's their playing together that causes our problems: that's what isn't borne out by the facts. As it happens I don't think Del will choose them together unless he really has to, and even then, it will be as part of a central midfield 3 (as at Huddersfield) rather than as a two. I think he realises what a big part our midfield problems has been for a while (no creativity, no midfielder consistently getting around or beyond the forwards) and has tried various things to resolve it - Pearson pushing on, Skuse pushing on, bringing Danns on board. Skuse isn't the answer to that one, and neither is Marv. I just hope that Del manages to find the answer to that (and our central defensive problems) before too long. I have to say I think you are wrong there is one reason and one reason only why DMC hasn't selected them as often as he would like and that is because one or the other of them has been injured during his time with us. But the plain facts are the minute they are both fit or even close to fitness he invariably selects them to play together in centre midfield. The sad fact is one can't pass and the other cannot pull out an attacking pass, both can tackle but only in the opponents half, in our own half they back off and back off until one of the back 4 has to end up making a rash challenge in a dangerous position, neither protect the back 4 and constantly give the ball away when we are coming out of defence, a reason why the back 4 start lumping the ball, neither talk to each other to pass on runners or rarely even pick up runners, both seem blissfully unaware of danger around them, the most worrying thing is most vulnerable teams are vulnerable down the flanks, with us teams just play right through the middle quite often unmolested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lager loud Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I have to say I think you are wrong there is one reason and one reason only why DMC hasn't selected them as often as he would like and that is because one or the other of them has been injured during his time with us. But the plain facts are the minute they are both fit or even close to fitness he invariably selects them to play together in centre midfield. The sad fact is one can't pass and the other cannot pull out an attacking pass, both can tackle but only in the opponents half, in our own half they back off and back off until one of the back 4 has to end up making a rash challenge in a dangerous position, neither protect the back 4 and constantly give the ball away when we are coming out of defence, a reason why the back 4 start lumping the ball, neither talk to each other to pass on runners or rarely even pick up runners, both seem blissfully unaware of danger around them, the most worrying thing is most vulnerable teams are vulnerable down the flanks, with us teams just play right through the middle quite often unmolested. Agree with some of that. I think Skuse does more good defensive work than he's given credit for, but he's certainly had some bad moments this season. Apart from Hull, though, I haven't seen him have many bad games. I do think you're too generous to the defence. Poor midfield cover may be part of the reason teams run at our central defence, but it doesn't explain why (for example) Fontaine also waves players past him, regularly loses his man and simply misses the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Agree with some of that. I think Skuse does more good defensive work than he's given credit for, but he's certainly had some bad moments this season. Apart from Hull, though, I haven't seen him have many bad games. I do think you're too generous to the defence. Poor midfield cover may be part of the reason teams run at our central defence, but it doesn't explain why (for example) Fontaine also waves players past him, regularly loses his man and simply misses the ball. For me the problem is this, Heaton used to command his 6 yard box and now apparently recently he hasn't, I think because he has lost faith in his defence. The defence in most games is under almost constant pressure and that can only be for 2 reasons, the striker/strikers are not holding the ball up or the midfield are not doing their job by protecting the defence or not backing up the strikers, it appears to be a mixture of both, firstly the quality of ball to the strikers is not the best, the midfield is slow to back them up and or take up good positions, the midfield is certainly not properly protecting the defence. The defence try to play out of defence to one of our midfielders but they too often give the ball away or just keep hitting sideways balls and ball ends up coming straight back at our defence and eventually usually by the hour mark the defence start lumping aimless balls because they have lost faith in the midfield, does any of this sound familiar? it is all a knock on effect, I have never seen a team concede and be so vulnerable down the middle. We do not attempt enough tackles in the right areas, we back off and back off and are never what you would call tight to opponents. Sort out the midfield and in the main the defence will be adequate IMO. Virtually every game this season excluding Palace, Cardiff and Middlesboro but including the Peterboro the words 'we are/were being battered' are very high on peoples descriptions of games and the pressure will eventually tell on an overworked defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lager loud Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 For me the problem is this, Heaton used to command his 6 yard box and now apparently recently he hasn't, I think because he has lost faith in his defence. The defence in most games is under almost constant pressure and that can only be for 2 reasons, the striker/strikers are not holding the ball up or the midfield are not doing their job by protecting the defence or not backing up the strikers, it appears to be a mixture of both, firstly the quality of ball to the strikers is not the best, the midfield is slow to back them up and or take up good positions, the midfield is certainly not properly protecting the defence. The defence try to play out of defence to one of our midfielders but they too often give the ball away or just keep hitting sideways balls and ball ends up coming straight back at our defence and eventually usually by the hour mark the defence start lumping aimless balls because they have lost faith in the midfield, does any of this sound familiar? it is all a knock on effect, I have never seen a team concede and be so vulnerable down the middle. We do not attempt enough tackles in the right areas, we back off and back off and are never what you would call tight to opponents. Sort out the midfield and in the main the defence will be adequate IMO. Virtually every game this season excluding Palace, Cardiff and Middlesboro but including the Peterboro the words 'we are/were being battered' are very high on peoples descriptions of games and the pressure will eventually tell on an overworked defence. We definitely have the problems you describe about offering the defence an outlet - and have had that problem since the GJ days (LJ taking the ball off the left back and passing it straight back to him doesn't count as an outlet). And it has often been too easy for the opposition to get through the middle of the park this season. But the backing off by the defence and the inability to mark are not just down to being under pressure: they're down to bad defending too. So I'm not convinced that the defence would be OK if the midfield was sorted. Signing off now. Nice to have a civilised disagreement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ron10bc Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 He got to stop messing about with the forwards how can Davies and baldock forge a partnership when they don't get a chance to play together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 He got to stop messing about with the forwards how can Davies and baldock forge a partnership when they don't even start, let alone play together I'll correct this sentance for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East end Forever Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 poor sod del boy get him in the fcking team u cock ffs and while ur at it put davies with him we might start winning a few just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I hope he starts today and bangs in a couple! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I hope he starts today and bangs in a couple! Me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I hope he starts today and bangs in a couple! Well, managed to called that one quite well! Edit: I fudging hope he starts on Saturday again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foghornred Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 He played superbly today and worked tirelessly never giving the Wednesday defence any rest.He should have the shirt for the next game but you never know with Del Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miloemily Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Top quality is our baldock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I went to Birmingham where there was nothing wrong with the service to Baldock. He had several chances and completely stuffed them up. Had he scored the team might have been lifted and gone on. Its all very well blaming the other players but I've seen him have at least 3 shockers this season, when the rest were playing alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Those shockers were Birmingham, Leicester and Charlton. All 2-0 losses. The defence contributed to the 2s. Baldock contributed to the 0s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Not that I would wish to even try and guess Derek's team for Derby, let alone any further, I think with our next four or five games we have the opportunity to play two up top which should see Baldock get plenty of game time. When Davies is back to full fitness the manager will be left with a headache, but I would really like to see Taylor and Baldock get a run together upfront. Taylor, who I thought was once again excellent today, is the type of player who may be able to get the best out of Baldock and I feel they could form an effective partnership up top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Playing Fontaine at left back today further makes his decision to sign Elokobi and Briggs bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Playing Fontaine at left back today further makes his decision to sign Elokobi and Briggs bizarre. Why? Neither are available now, the two CBs we started with weren't with us when Elokobi signed (and only one was when Briggs signed) and by all accounts Fontaine didn't exactly prove himself as a natural left-back (or, to be fair, an utter disaster). I don't think anyone'd push for Fontaine to be anything more than an emergency left-back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Why? Neither are available now, the two CBs we started with weren't with us when Elokobi signed (and only one was when Briggs signed) and by all accounts Fontaine didn't exactly prove himself as a natural left-back (or, to be fair, an utter disaster). I don't think anyone'd push for Fontaine to be anything more than an emergency left-back... and that is my point, Bryan was handed a new contract and everybody thought that he was our back up full back, Fontaine and even Nyatanga could easily have been our emergency full backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 2 goais, well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Playing Fontaine at left back today further makes his decision to sign Elokobi and Briggs bizarre. Why? Fontaine is a centre-back. The switch was made to counter Wednesday's aerial threat. And this is the first time that a pairing of McManus and Bates has been available. Also I think (I dont know) Bryan is a left midfielder who can play left back so no specialist, and so it seemed appropriate to sign a loan left back. Certainly Elokobi was the type of player we needed. Briggs did not look as good as Bryan - I would certainly have preferred we did not loan Briggs if we suspected Bryan could do nearly as well as he has done. Snce he will only improve with games this is to our longer term benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 and that is my point, Bryan was handed a new contract and everybody thought that he was our back up full back, Fontaine and even Nyatanga could easily have been our emergency full backs. I guess to me it's the difference between having a back-up full-back for someone missing the odd-game with a knock and someone filling in for two or three months due to a long-term injury. Bryan was an unknown quantity and you wouldn't want either Fontaine or Nyatanga there for an extended spell so I can completely see why McInnes got someone in. It's just a shame Elokobi got injured and Briggs never really impressed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Both Fontaine and Nyatanga are shite at full back - just a tad worse than at centre back. We needed back up - Bryan was/is an unknown quantity and is being slowly integrated into the first team set up, not everyone thought as you did. It was sensible for McInnes to get additional cover for Cunningham. To do nothing would have been stupid. So exactly what is the point of having back up players if they are not trusted and given their opportunities as the opportunities occur?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 and that is my point, Bryan was handed a new contract and everybody thought that he was our back up full back, Fontaine and even Nyatanga could easily have been our emergency full backs. Bryan isn't a left back he is a left midfielder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Bryan isn't a left back he is a left midfielder Bryan is neither at the moment, he is growing into both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Bryan isn't a left back he is a left midfielder You better inform the club then, for some unknown reason they believe he is a defender. http://www.bcfc.co.u...71&tcmuri=99956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcnick Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Good to see him in the team and help bring in the three points. Baldock comes across really well in interviews as articulate, honest and someone who cares about the teams position and wants to contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JammyOne Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 You better inform the club then, for some unknown reason they believe he is a defender. http://www.bcfc.co.u...71&tcmuri=99956 In a player interview a few weeks ago he said, "Obviously I've been playing left back, that's not really been my primary position for much of my playing career but I'm enjoying it". So yeah, maybe someone SHOULD inform the club. Monkeh is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ron10bc Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Great to see Sam back to him old self on player, hopefully the confidence is back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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