bucksred Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) I have been a regular at the Gate since Terry Coopers last season in charge, and I have been thinking over these last few days..Have we really improved over those yers?Think about it, in the early days since then, had had Super Bob, The Chief, The Goat & Sir Andy Cole. Since those four have we EVER had a decent striker?Come to think of it even Leapy, Robbo, Lee Miller, Thorpey & Leroy were better than what we have had since. Maybe Davies & Baldock will prove better long term. apart from the first four, all of whom went on to greater things, few if any of ours ever have.Over the years we have had the likes of Tinman, super Scott, Greg Goodrich, Mardon, Tistimaneu, Rennie, Harrison in midfield...Shaun Taylor, Micky Bell, Brennan, Shail, in defence..Waugh, Leaning in goal....Tinman & Scotty are recent players, as is Bradley Orr...but take those three out and the vast majority of our players in modern times have been poor.Even the likes of Robbo, Doc, Danny Coles (pissheads all) & Basso (Mr Ego trip himself) are better than what we currently have..Where the hell did we go wrong? So many good players, and we now have the current underacheiversTinman, Scotty & Bradders were never replaced which doesnt help, and we never had another striker of the big fours quality since, let alone Taylor, Bell, Brennan or Shail..If we can tap into the ability to find players like those few if any of which cost big bucks we will be ok.By the way I wasnt a regular witness to the last team we had in the big time, so my recollection can doubtless be bettered by those who did: the likes of Cheese, Royle, Hunter, Merrick, Tainton, Gow etc Edited January 11, 2013 by bucksred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Welch Orr Taylor Sebok Bell Murray Tistimetanu Tinnion Agostino Cole Lita Don't think I'd swap any of them for these: Heaton Foster Bates Fontaine Cunningham Adomah Skuse Pearson Anderson Baldock Davies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) Stretching it a bit with Gerry Harrison! We do seem to be missing a few crowd favs, but then when most of the team are playing poorely its hard to endear yourself to any of them. No pressure on our new signing but he sounds like the type who could well be added to the names you mentioned. Edited January 11, 2013 by Gazred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) WelchOrr Taylor Sebok BellMurray Tistimetanu TinnionAgostinoCole Lita Don't think I'd swap any of them for these: HeatonFoster Bates Fontaine CunninghamAdomah Skuse PearsonAndersonBaldock DaviesPerhaps, just perhaps Baldock n Davies might acheive summat...Albert maybe, just maybe, but my point exactly.. Edited January 11, 2013 by bucksred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Welch Orr Taylor Sebok Bell Murray Tistimetanu Tinnion Agostino Cole Lita Don't think I'd swap any of them for these: Heaton Foster Bates Fontaine Cunningham Adomah Skuse Pearson Anderson Baldock Davies Id swap Ago for Lita and put Jacki in the hole. Great looking team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rag Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Starange you should post this, as only yesterday I was looking on You Tube at some games from our time in the old first division. Not sure if its nostalga kicking in but we looked so so much better than the bunch we have now, I actualy enjoyed watching it, shame I cant say the same about this season, last season the one before etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 baldock ad davies will be fantastic they have got 8 and 9 goals (17 between them) in a stuggling side while starting few games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Ahhhh, the rose-tinted nostalgia for players who - in many of the cases quoted - never played for us against second tier opposition.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Id swap Ago for Lita and put Jacki in the hole. Great looking team. Swap Ago for Lita? Agostino was fking dynamite!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Swap Ago for Lita? Agostino was fking dynamite!! Exactly. Move him up front instead of Lita, then pop Jacki behind him and Cole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) Ahhhh, the rose-tinted nostalgia for players who - in many of the cases quoted - never played for us against second tier opposition.... Welsh: Orr: Played in Premiership Taylor: Played in Premiership Sebok: Played in the German Bundesliga Bell: Murray: Played in Premiership Testemitanu: Over 50 International Caps Tinnion: Agostino: Played in German Bundesliga Cole: Played in Premiership Lita: Played in Premiership Even if you were to replace the three who didn't ever play at the top level with Heaton, Cunningham and Adomah I'd still settle for that over what we have overall at the moment. Edited January 11, 2013 by Robin TBW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 To be fair RR did say played for us against teams at this level. No denying that many of them were good enough to play higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 To be fair RR did say played for us against teams at this level. No denying that many of them were good enough to play higher. No, I know - it's the "rose-tinted glasses" part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 And I forgot some names Gavin, Matty Hill, Big Joe himself, the aforementioned Sebok and Ago, and Jacki!One thing though, about all those players I mentioned, is that everyone of them could and would (not every game, I'll grant you) grab hold of the game by the scruff of the neck, and turn it. Carey is another, not a great, but in his heyday could do exactly that. characters and hungry players...summat drastically missig from this crewThe likes of Robbo, Leapy, Lee Miller, Leeeeeroy, Danny Coles, Doc werent leaders but by Christ did they turn games for us..Most of the rest were leaders, and would impose themselves....the current crew couldnt do itroe tinted it might be Red Robbo, but those players would all contrbute more than the vast majority of the players we have had in the last 10 years...aint very many of Timan, GJ's, Coppell's, Millen & McInnes (so far) will be remembered so fondly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 No, I know - it's the "rose-tinted glasses" part. Cool, fair enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Welsh: Orr: Played in the Premiership Taylor: Played in the Premiership Sebok: Played in the German Bundesliga Bell: Murray: Played in the Premiership Testemitanu: Over 50 International Caps Tinnion: Agostino: Played in German Bundesliga Cole: Played in Premiership Lita: Played in Premiership Even if you were to replace the three who didn't ever play at the top level with Heaton, Cunningham and Adomah I'd still settle for that over what we have overall at the moment. Some great players there defintely Robin, although I did say played for us at a third tier level. TBH I was more reacting against assertions that, for example, Lee Miller is superior to Sam Baldock. On a general point, one of the reasons we have posts along the lines of "it's never been worse here" is because of the nostalgia effect. We all get it. I always remembered the Goodies as hillarious, but when I rewatched a 70s episode recently I realised it was actually utter tripe. And so it is with football. I suspect if tinternet had been commonplace in times past, we could scroll back to threads posted in the Tinnion or Pulis or Osman eras saying "it's never been worse here". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talk Of The Town Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I have been a regular at the Gate since Terry Coopers last season in charge, and I have been thinking over these last few days..Have we really improved over those yers?Think about it, in the early days since then, had had Super Bob, The Chief, The Goat & Sir Andy Cole. Since those four have we EVER had a decent striker?Come to think of it even Leapy, Robbo, Lee Miller, Thorpey & Leroy were better than what we have had since. Maybe Davies & Baldock will prove better long term. apart from the first four, all of whom went on to greater things, few if any of ours ever have.Over the years we have had the likes of Tinman, super Scott, Greg Goodrich, Mardon, Tistimaneu, Rennie, Harrison in midfield...Shaun Taylor, Micky Bell, Brennan, Shail, in defence..Waugh, Leaning in goal....Tinman & Scotty are recent players, as is Bradley Orr...but take those three out and the vast majority of our players in modern times have been poor.Even the likes of Robbo, Doc, Danny Coles (pissheads all) & Basso (Mr Ego trip himself) are better than what we currently have..Where the hell did we go wrong? So many good players, and we now have the current underacheiversTinman, Scotty & Bradders were never replaced which doesnt help, and we never had another striker of the big fours quality since, let alone Taylor, Bell, Brennan or Shail..If we can tap into the ability to find players like those few if any of which cost big bucks we will be ok.By the way I wasnt a regular witness to the last team we had in the big time, so my recollection can doubtless be bettered by those who did: the likes of Cheese, Royle, Hunter, Merrick, Tainton, Gow etc Martin Scott was my favourite city left back. Better than Bell and Brennan imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 Some great players there defintely Robin, although I did say played for us at a third tier level. TBH I was more reacting against assertions that, for example, Lee Miller is superior to Sam Baldock. On a general point, one of the reasons we have posts along the lines of "it's never been worse here" is because of the nostalgia effect. We all get it. I always remembered the Goodies as hillarious, but when I rewatched a 70s episode recently I realised it was actually utter tripe. And so it is with football. I suspect if tinternet had been commonplace in times past, we could scroll back to threads posted in the Tinnion or Pulis or Osman eras saying "it's never been worse here".I wasnt saying Lee Miller, or the other Wonderson era strikers were better than Baldock, but when needed they could n would get goals...currently it doesnt seem that way. bear in mind some of Wondersons choices were as eccentric as Del boys...The ones I said WERE better were the big four strikers, Bob, Wayne, Shaun & Andy, THEY are clearly better. Perhaps as I said Sam Baldock will indeed be greater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I wasnt saying Lee Miller, or the other Wonderson era strikers were better than Baldock, but when needed they could n would get goals...currently it doesnt seem that way. bear in mind some of Wondersons choices were as eccentric as Del boys... The ones I said WERE better were the big four strikers, Bob, Wayne, Shaun & Andy, THEY are clearly better. Perhaps as I said Sam Baldock will indeed be greater. Fair enough, but it has to be said Miller only got 8 goals in 42 games for us and I was bloody glad when he left. Baldock has 9 in 20 games and could indeed join your legendary line-up if he's here long enough. I'm not defending the current administration or the stuff we've had to endure this season, but I'm sure we both can remember other times following this club when we felt like banging our heads against the wall in despair at some of the things we've seen. Maybe it just doesn't seem so bad because we were younger then - and paying less to watch football! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Ahhhh, the rose-tinted nostalgia for players who - in many of the cases quoted - never played for us against second tier opposition.... Rose-tinted glasses exactly! I can remember watching City in the early 1960s and there were some good players. However until promotion to division 2 (now the Championship) in 1965 they were playing against level 3 opposition. The only player of that era who could unquestionably be regarded as better than anyone we’ve got now is John Atyeo, though I wouldn’t mind having Jack Connor as our current centre half. IMO most of the players in the Alan Dicks time at the club were better than many we have now as they played in 2 (now the Championship) from 1967 until promotion to division 1. In 1979 City finished 13th in division 1. Since then it’s been a mixture of all 4 divisions, mainly the bottom 2 so it’s virtually impossible to make comparisons. That said, TEAM SPIRIT and effort seemed to be a lot better in previous years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Yeh, £2 or £3 through the Juv turnstile to watch the likes of Newman, Walsh, Taylor etc. Feel spoilt now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Yeh, £2 or £3 through the Juv turnstile to watch the likes of Newman, Walsh, Taylor etc. Feel spoilt now! isn't that about £11 in todays money? People only really remember the good times you don't get people banging on about the game on a tuesday night against Colechester when Lua Lua ripped us a new one and only 7777 turned up even though we were in the play-off postions, or the drab 0-0 draw agains bournmouth (a div 4 club then) that went to pens and mark stean blazed over the atyeo stand but a game we should of lost, or the 800 0-0 draws with bury, In 20 years time some of our current crop will be remember fondly and this season will not be mentioned much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Not sure, what's a kiddie ticket cost these days? True what you say though, time clouds the memories somewhat and always easy to recall the good old days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Yeh, £2 or £3 through the Juv turnstile to watch the likes of Newman, Walsh, Taylor etc. Feel spoilt now! . Doubt it was even that much. I've still got my Chelsea F.A. Cup ticket from 1990. £4 for an adult in the Enclosure and I'm pretty sure they increased the usual price for the match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Blimey that does surprise me. Perhaps there was an offer on. I do clearly remember my Dad chucking me a few quid and pointing me at the turnstiles. That would of been about 85-86 season when I first went regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) Blimey that does surprise me. Perhaps there was an offer on. I do clearly remember my Dad chucking me a few quid and pointing me at the turnstiles. That would of been about 85-86 season when I first went regularly. I'd be surprised if it was that much as well. When I first started going with mates from school , about 81/82 I can remember paying 70p to get in the East End !! Edit - actually it may have been £1.70 , can anyone else remember ? Edited January 11, 2013 by glynriley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) I'd be surprised if it was that much as well. When I first started going with mates from school , about 81/82 I can remember paying 70p to get in the East End !! Edit - actually it may have been £1.70 , can anyone else remember ? Pretty sure the EE juvenile price was 40p in '76 for the first season in the old First Division. Edited January 11, 2013 by Nogbad the Bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Prety sure the EE juvenile price was 40p in '76 for the first season in the old First Division. Maybe it was 70p then , can't believe that was over 30 years ago. Time flys when your enjoying yourself eh !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 70p, wonder how much Arsenal away was back then, a whopping whole pound perhaps.....disgusting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtucks Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I have been a regular at the Gate since Terry Coopers last season in charge, and I have been thinking over these last few days.. Have we really improved over those yers? Think about it, in the early days since then, had had Super Bob, The Chief, The Goat & Sir Andy Cole. Since those four have we EVER had a decent striker? Come to think of it even Leapy, Robbo, Lee Miller, Thorpey & Leroy were better than what we have had since. Maybe Davies & Baldock will prove better long term. apart from the first four, all of whom went on to greater things, few if any of ours ever have. Over the years we have had the likes of Tinman, super Scott, Greg Goodrich, Mardon, Tistimaneu, Rennie, Harrison in midfield... Shaun Taylor, Micky Bell, Brennan, Shail, in defence.. Waugh, Leaning in goal.... Tinman & Scotty are recent players, as is Bradley Orr...but take those three out and the vast majority of our players in modern times have been poor. Even the likes of Robbo, Doc, Danny Coles (pissheads all) & Basso (Mr Ego trip himself) are better than what we currently have.. Where the hell did we go wrong? So many good players, and we now have the current underacheivers Tinman, Scotty & Bradders were never replaced which doesnt help, and we never had another striker of the big fours quality since, let alone Taylor, Bell, Brennan or Shail.. If we can tap into the ability to find players like those few if any of which cost big bucks we will be ok. By the way I wasnt a regular witness to the last team we had in the big time, so my recollection can doubtless be bettered by those who did: the likes of Cheese, Royle, Hunter, Merrick, Tainton, Gow etc ......and the fans still bloody moaned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Alan Dicks could choose 2 centre backs from David Rodgers, Gary Collier, Geoff Merrick and Norman Hunter, with 3 of them home grown. Compare and contrast with the current crop. Nostalgia's not what it used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Been watching since '82 and my favourite seasons were 06/07,07/08. That squad was something special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Doubt it was even that much. I've still got my Chelsea F.A. Cup ticket from 1990. £4 for an adult in the Enclosure and I'm pretty sure they increased the usual price for the match. Always worth seeing again: http://youtu.be/8wVOholx-N8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Dazzler Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I would say Akinibyi was one of our best forwards in the last 20 years, mostly playing in a struggling team though, where we needed to score at least 3 goals to win a game (seems familiar? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Alan Dicks could choose 2 centre backs from David Rodgers, Gary Collier, Geoff Merrick and Norman Hunter, with 3 of them home grown. Compare and contrast with the current crop. Nostalgia's not what it used to be. See that's where no-one can argue. Those four played at the top flight of English football, none of those named since ever did so for us and even Shaun Taylor, bless him, who was great for us (but in the third tier) had one season in the highest level and his side let in 100! Some of those named by the OP are simply laughable, scroll back to those times and you'd have found loads of threads about what wasters Peacock, Roberts, Coles, etc were and along with Gerry Harrison (!) no way were they as good as many even in our current much maligned squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City1970 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Martin Scott was my favourite city left back. Better than Bell and Brennan imo Agree, Barnard was good as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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