Jump to content
IGNORED

Welcome To Our World...r*vers Jr


Kid in the Riot

Recommended Posts

Well thats one of the great things about the scheme:  the Memorial will actually be enhanced with a Memorial Square and garden, will still be used for the Armistace Day ceremonies, and be seen and respected by many, many more Bristolians than at a crumbling old sports stadium that Bristol Rugby will no longer play at after this season.

Their plans have been designed with consultancy from, and the support of, the British Legion and Bristol Rugby ex-Players Society (who wrote actively in support of the application to the BCC Planning Committee).

So a much better Memorial for the great fallen of the city than before.  Much better than one had the Greens got their way and flattened it and put housing or allotments on across the whole site 

 

Ok, thats fantastic and glad they have the support of all relevant parties, genuinely glad to hear that things have been addressed in that regard.

 

Still, a supermarket there is not needed in any way shape or form, for anyone in power to allow it just seems total madness to me.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I will still believe it when I see it. I have watched Rovers for 40 years and for 30 of those they have been about to move to a new ground. I see TRASH have 7 days to appeal, and Nick Higgs has mentioned in his statement that the delay has cost time and money, and that this means that there will now be contractual issues to sort out.

 

Apart from that, I'm a bit of a Luddite when it comes to new football grounds, and talk of 'new revenue streams' always leaves me a bit cold.

You can't stop progress, and I will go along with it, but give me a stadium and pitch like the Baseball Ground circa 1974 anytime!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I will still believe it when I see it. I have watched Rovers for 40 years and for 30 of those they have been about to move to a new ground. I see TRASH have 7 days to appeal, and Nick Higgs has mentioned in his statement that the delay has cost time and money, and that this means that there will now be contractual issues to sort out.

 

Apart from that, I'm a bit of a Luddite when it comes to new football grounds, and talk of 'new revenue streams' always leaves me a bit cold.

You can't stop progress, and I will go along with it, but give me a stadium and pitch like the Baseball Ground circa 1974 anytime!

 

...or Ashton Gate? ;-)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest DancinDannyD

Apparently TRASH have said on the radio that they will not appeal?  I live away from Bristol so can't confirm, but that's what being reported on the Rovers Forum

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Good luck to them, I hope they get their new ground, could be good for Bristol football all around.

Although my initial thoughts are felt above, I'd be gutted as I could see the tables turning in the next 10 years if the groind goes ahead.

Agreed - I think whilst only 21,700 at present the "South Glos bowl" can easily be extended to 26,000 and then up to 35,000 if needed. We will get to about 27,000 after much inconvenience and then won't be able to expand further without major works/buying adjacent land.

However, at least we won't be renting our ground from a uni and will share upkeep of ours with the rugby club.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Good news. never thought id say it. A common sense result for once. I'm surprised though that the stadium will only take a year to build! Goes to show how cheaply its being done I guess. Still, its gotta be better than the dump they currently call home.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Pleased that they can progress.Find it ironic though that the law has protected an old rubbish tip from development but allowedbuilding on piece of land left as a memorial.

Exactly what I was going to post. No problem with them moving ( as long as they don't come to us!) but it is sad the Memorial Stadium and what it stands for gets turned into a supermarket

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Norwegian Red

I can now forsee Rovers going one of two ways: either they become a bit of a Reading, or a bit of a Darlington.

Or they could just carry on being Rovers in nicer surroundings....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Agreed - I think whilst only 21,700 at present the "South Glos bowl" can easily be extended to 26,000 and then up to 35,000 if needed. We will get to about 27,000 after much inconvenience and then won't be able to expand further without major works/buying adjacent land.

However, at least we won't be renting our ground from a uni and will share upkeep of ours with the rugby club.

 

Can't see R*vers ever needing 26k let alone 35k.

 

UWE have given them the land on the condition that it will always be called "UWE Stadium" and R*vers can't sell the naming rights. They're not renting.

 

Bristol City on the other hand are technically tenants of Ashton Gate Ltd as I understand it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I can now forsee Rovers going one of two ways: either they become a bit of a Reading, or a bit of a Darlington.

Or they could just carry on being Rovers in nicer surroundings....

The latter, imo.

 

Just can't picture Rovers in a 22,000 all seater stadium, playing nice attractive football whilst being in the championship.. it doesn't suit them..dwindling 5,000 crowds, horrible pitches horrible football is their way..

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest BS3 GAS

Can't see R*vers ever needing 26k let alone 35k.

 

UWE have given them the land on the condition that it will always be called "UWE Stadium" and R*vers can't sell the naming rights. They're not renting.

 

Bristol City on the other hand are technically tenants of Ashton Gate Ltd as I understand it.

Steady on KITR... talking truths like that will upset some  ;)

 

the capacity is 'sensible' and the opportunity to increase cheaply doesn't hurt either

 

Still wont believe it till im stood in it mind!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Norwegian Red

I think this thread, "Welcome To Our World, Rovers," leaving aside the JR bit, could run for a few years yet:

Lower leagues with big ground, more support than many/ most, signing players on wages to suit parking bigger, fancier cars in the car park, raised supporter expectations, visiting teams enjoying the facilities, "lesser" teams bafflingly out-performing us again and again, people sat in seats less inclined to sing (choirs don't stand for nothing) and busy-body, fussy stewards, expectations and reality at some point not in alignment, criticism of board of directors, big-match heartbreak, recrimination, squabbling amongst the faithful, looking to rivals failure for some light relief......

We shall see. Either way, we need to up our game and rise to the challenge

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Can't see R*vers ever needing 26k let alone 35k.

UWE have given them the land on the condition that it will always be called "UWE Stadium" and R*vers can't sell the naming rights. They're not renting.

Bristol City on the other hand are technically tenants of Ashton Gate Ltd as I understand it.

I stand corrected on the UWE ground. Dare I say it but it looks like rovers have done well in that case.

And I am aware we are tenants technically however, it is not to the same degree as other clubs are!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest BS3 GAS

I stand corrected on the UWE ground. Dare I say it but it looks like rovers have done well in that case.

And I am aware we are tenants technically however, it is not to the same degree as other clubs are!

 

exactly we are all tennants to the shareholders/owners

Link to comment
Share on other sites

exactly we are all tennants to the shareholders/owners

Agreed, although with us it is slightly different with Ashton Gate Limited, BCFC Limited and Bristol City Football Club Limited all being under the same parent company (Bristol City Holdings Limited) and I believe it is this which controls each subsidiary company.

Edit: For comparison purposes Bristol Rovers (1983) Limited is their ultimate parent company with Bristol Rovers Football Club Limited the subsidiary company responsible for the football team and The Memorial Stadium Company Limited (which is currently non - trading).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Can't see R*vers ever needing 26k let alone 35k.

UWE have given them the land on the condition that it will always be called "UWE Stadium" and R*vers can't sell the naming rights. They're not renting.

Bristol City on the other hand are technically tenants of Ashton Gate Ltd as I understand it.

Nope,

Bristol city holdings own ashton gate Ltd, as confirmed to me by a club director at the stadium consultation. So still owned by the football club.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Nope,

Bristol city holdings own ashton gate Ltd, as confirmed to me by a club director at the stadium consultation. So still owned by the football club.

Technically Bristol City Holdings Limited and Bristol City Football Club Limited are two separate entities. However, I believe at present Ashton Gate Limited, Bristol City Football Club Limited and BCFC Limited are all wholly owned subsidiary companies of Bristol City Holdings Limited.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Palletways

So Rovers get their ground and city develop theirs , Id say , both clubs will have much comfortable surroundings , better facilities , which will no doubt attract more fans , which in time should bring in more money , which should attract good players , which they should be able to afford . The next 10 years should be much more appetising , better than the crap that we have all had to put up with over the last god knows how many years .

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Norwegian Red

So Rovers get their ground and city develop theirs , Id say , both clubs will have much comfortable surroundings , better facilities , which will no doubt attract more fans , which in time should bring in more money , which should attract good players , which they should be able to afford . The next 10 years should be much more appetising , better than the crap that we have all had to put up with over the last god knows how many years .

It should do...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Palletways

The banters great , and always healthy , but with the news today , and with city developing , its a breath of fresh air for the City , we are at last going in some sort of forward direction .

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I actually don't begrudge them the stadium, they have had some seriously shit times throughout the years, and it certainly gives them a chance to make the championship one day but it certainly does not guarantee success. I think they are getting slightly carried away thinking they will sell 10k season tickets in UWE playing division 2 football.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I actually don't begrudge them the stadium, they have had some seriously shit times throughout the years, and it certainly gives them a chance to make the championship one day but it certainly does not guarantee success. I think they are getting slightly carried away thinking they will sell 10k season tickets in UWE playing division 2 football.

I begrudge it, its about 500yards from my new house!! Im going to become a NIMBY!!!!

Oh well, thats my house price flattened forever, in the shade of a gert big bowl.

And if i hear that flaming song about that oldbint Irene from my house, well, i may be forced to fly a city flag from my rooftop!!!!!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You only gotta see what's happened to teams like Darlington, Rushden and Diamonds, even what happened with Coventry with the Rioch, I think its a risk for the Gash, As they havent got a rich man to back them like we have SL. My bet is it will be like Notts County a couple years back, when they brought in Sven and the gang. It will start well, but will fizzle all too quick.

I would wish them well but don't give two shits about them, the only way they will get more people in is by offering free tickets, season tickets to uni students etc and don't forget the plastics. Forest Green will soon over take them as the best team in Gloucester, but don't worry Gloucester City haven't got a home either, what's the chances of them asking for a ground share?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Steady on KITR... talking truths like that will upset some  ;)

 

the capacity is 'sensible' and the opportunity to increase cheaply doesn't hurt either

 

Still wont believe it till im stood in it mind!

I think I know what you will be stood in :gasmask:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Forest Green will soon over take them as the best team in Gloucester, but don't worry Gloucester City haven't got a home either, what's the chances of them asking for a ground share?

I am guessing you mean best team in Gloucestershire. If so I am sorry to be pedantic but Cheltenham overtook the Gas years ago to become the best Gloucestershire team!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I will still believe it when I see it. I have watched Rovers for 40 years and for 30 of those they have been about to move to a new ground. I see TRASH have 7 days to appeal, and Nick Higgs has mentioned in his statement that the delay has cost time and money, and that this means that there will now be contractual issues to sort out.

Apart from that, I'm a bit of a Luddite when it comes to new football grounds, and talk of 'new revenue streams' always leaves me a bit cold.

You can't stop progress, and I will go along with it, but give me a stadium and pitch like the Baseball Ground circa 1974 anytime!

I wonder what the contractual issues could be? I note both the Memorial Stadium and Ashton Gate were worth much more as supermarkets than housing. However, that was a couple of years back and since then both Tesco and Morrison's have publicly announced they are stopping with the 'space race' for large supermarkets and with Sainsburys and Asda also suffering with sales in large supermarkets they are believed to be the same. The upshot is the value of land with planning permission for supermarkets has fallen drastically and in fact in some cases it is now worth more as housing than supermarkets.

I wonder if the "contractual delays" mentioned above surround the amount Sainsburys are willing to pay for the Memorial Ground (if in fact they still want to purchase it at all).

Sources: http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/feb/25/tesco-supermarket-price-cuts-profit-forecast; http://www.cityam.com/article/1379036174/morrisons-cut-new-space-it-focuses-online; http://m.hemeltoday.co.uk/news/community/morrisons-pulls-out-of-hemel-hempstead-store-plans-which-would-have-provided-350-new-jobs-1-5920932

Edit: Search "Sainsburys pull out" and similar terms to see where they have cancelled plans to build stores etc at the last minute.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Ignoring the Memorial issue (sorry but I believe a Memorial for sportsman should be in a sports venue irrespective of how great DancinDanny thinks it's going to be), I'm not particularly bothered that they have their new ground in the same way that I wasn't particularly bothered by it this time last year.

Until the board of BCFC come out and officially say that AV is dead in the water then I won't write off that option. I think we are lucky that our worst case scenario appears to be staying in our spiritual home in an impressive redeveloped AG with much improved facilities. People will argue about which option will be better for the club in the long run but as others have mentioned, redeveloping AG will not close the doors for a new stadium at some stage in the future. Hopefully any future applications will be assisted by recent changes in the law. In the Lansdowns we have owners who are willing to invest in the clubs facilities, for me that's a very good thing, I cannot foresee that the current, tired looking (no matter how much I love it) Ashton Gate will not dragged into the 21st Century and personally I love the initial plans that have been on show.

I noticed last night that some retard calling himself 'Tote End' (where the **** is that?) started a thread saying that we are now panicking because they've got their new ground. Well, you carry on piling the pressure on yourselves Gasheads because #1 it isn't built yet and #2 you aren't anywhere near the Prem yet. Don't forget that you aren't the only club in Bristol improving your facilities. Nice to see so many City fans wishing Rovers well in this victory against the NIMBYs, even if ****wits like Tote End and his mates choose to ignore it. I personally think that we also have plenty to look forward to in the coming years. Gasheads should concentrate on their future, their BoD have pulled off a master stroke with this new development. Intresting times on the horizon.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm hoping that with them getting their bowl and our redevelopment Bristol football will now push on.

 

Yep,I'd like to see Bristol football push on as well.

 

As in we're back in the Championship in a couple of years and the gas sink into the Conference in time for 1500 to welcome in their shiny new bowl.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Peter O'H - sadly, there will always be some who can never bring themselves to acknowledge anything positive which comes from the red side, but will jump on something negative + highlight it.  I can assure you that lots of Rovers fans did appreciate the good wishes from City fans yesterday, and also thought that the AV outcome was a disgrace - unfortunately, I think that those of a negative persuasion always tend to shout louder and more frequently, so the voice of reason goes unheard! :shutup:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You only gotta see what's happened to teams like Darlington, Rushden and Diamonds, even what happened with Coventry with the Rioch, I think its a risk for the Gash, As they havent got a rich man to back them like we have SL. My bet is it will be like Notts County a couple years back, when they brought in Sven and the gang. It will start well, but will fizzle all too quick.

I would wish them well but don't give two shits about them, the only way they will get more people in is by offering free tickets, season tickets to uni students etc and don't forget the plastics. Forest Green will soon over take them as the best team in Gloucester, but don't worry Gloucester City haven't got a home either, what's the chances of them asking for a ground share?

 

 

This is the thing, there are so many clubs building new stadiums, they no longer give you a cutting edge over other clubs. It won't be long until there are no older stadiums left in the Country.

 

You need to have some serious clout in this neck of the woods to make a difference.

 

Crikey Steve Lansdowns has got shed loads more money than the Gash and look how difficult we found it to stay in (and compete) in the championship.

 

Don't get me wrong, the new stadium will help the Gash, but they're competing against other clubs who have already established new stadia and are higher up the league pecking order i.e. Doncaster, Bournemouth, Shrewsbury, and for each one of those, there's always a Plymouth, Darlington etc..

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest BS3 GAS

This is the thing, there are so many clubs building new stadiums, they no longer give you a cutting edge over other clubs. It won't be long until there are no older stadiums left in the Country.

 

You need to have some serious clout in this neck of the woods to make a difference.

 

Crikey Steve Lansdowns has got shed loads more money than the Gash and look how difficult we found it to stay in (and compete) in the championship.

 

Don't get me wrong, the new stadium will help the Gash, but they're competing against other clubs who have already established new stadia and are higher up the league pecking order i.e. Doncaster, Bournemouth, Shrewsbury, and for each one of those, there's always a Plymouth, Darlington etc..

 

For every SL there are clubs competing on a more realistic level...... Millwall, Yeovil, Barnsley, Donny, Bournemouth in championship, are all clubs that donr spend big as such and have crowds that arent that high

 

Its no doubt hard with out the spending power but FFP will help a little especially when you can have income from non football stuff at the stadium

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Norwegian Red

Buckingham group ( the contractors Rovers) are using are on site today... BjPvatWIUAE6cXh.jpgBjPviiIIIAAJc3k.jpg

Digging a hole for Wardie to disappear into?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Peter O'H - sadly, there will always be some who can never bring themselves to acknowledge anything positive which comes from the red side, but will jump on something negative + highlight it. I can assure you that lots of Rovers fans did appreciate the good wishes from City fans yesterday, and also thought that the AV outcome was a disgrace - unfortunately, I think that those of a negative persuasion always tend to shout louder and more frequently, so the voice of reason goes unheard! :shutup:

Obviously no offence to Gasheads like yourself or NailseaCookie who has always said he thinks AV should happen and not just on OTIB. I think the thing that most City fans are actually jealous of is not the ground but the fact that Rovers have beaten the NIMBYs. I would love to see the liars who have stifled our plans to be shown up for what they are.

Rovers battle was against TRASH not BCFC. I accept Gasheads are happy that they will get their new ground first but in all fairness Rovers had a 30 year head start. We've got our own battle to keep us occupied. As long as nothing happens to derail the AG redevelopment I genuinely believe that the future is bright for City, not just Rovers.

I'm not going to say I'm happy Rovers have a new ground but I will say I don't begrudge them getting it. Most City fans I know feel the same way.

On a different note, I can't think of any other examples where the new ground vs redevelopmed ground pros and cons argument could be played out in real life with 2 clubs in the same city at roughly the same time.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Obviously no offence to Gasheads like yourself or NailseaCookie who has always said he thinks AV should happen and not just on OTIB. I think the thing that most City fans are actually jealous of is not the ground but the fact that Rovers have beaten the NIMBYs. I would love to see the liars who have stifled our plans to be shown up for what they are.

Rovers battle was against TRASH not BCFC. I accept Gasheads are happy that they will get their new ground first but in all fairness Rovers had a 30 year head start. We've got our own battle to keep us occupied. As long as nothing happens to derail the AG redevelopment I genuinely believe that the future is bright for City, not just Rovers.

I'm not going to say I'm happy Rovers have a new ground but I will say I don't begrudge them getting it. Most City fans I know feel the same way.

On a different note, I can't think of any other examples where the new ground vs redevelopmed ground pros and cons argument could be played out in real life with 2 clubs in the same city at roughly the same time.

 

 

I don't get this argument? I keep hearing Gash fans saying "we'll get our stadium before you", but I don't get it? I really don't understand why they hold this in such esteem? It's almost as if it's the only thing they can get over us? I say good luck to them :-)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I was going to say Bournemouth bought their way up didn't they? Plus "Millwall, Yeovil, Barnsley, Donny" not really championship quality in my eyes anyway, yes higher level, but not the most attractive football is it?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

And their forum is now full of gloating and comments like **** the teds ! these are the same people who we're suggesting a fans united march a fee months ago, when they needed us it was we're all fans, let's unite against the common enemy, now they don't need us it's back to their true feelings **** the teds,.They are vile hypocrites and I don't see how any city fan can be pleased for them, they certainly wouldn't be pleased for us if the shoe was on the other foot !

Link to comment
Share on other sites

And their forum is now full of gloating and comments like **** the teds ! these are the same people who we're suggesting a fans united march a fee months ago, when they needed us it was we're all fans, let's unite against the common enemy, now they don't need us it's back to their true feelings **** the teds,.They are vile hypocrites and I don't see how any city fan can be pleased for them, they certainly wouldn't be pleased for us if the shoe was on the other foot !

was ever thus, it's just the "small man" syndrome !  I wouldn't piss down their throats if their teeth were on fire .

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Norwegian Red

was ever thus, it's just the "small man" syndrome !  I wouldn't piss down their throats if their teeth were on fire .

I wouldn't go on their forum. Specially not if it was likely to upset me...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Fair comment Norwegian red, but it's entertaining when they loose ! I checked it tonight to see what they though of their superlative draw with soutend and couldn't help reading a thread entitled jealous teds ! wish I hadn't, but at least it reminded me what a bunch of tunts they are !

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Norwegian Red

Fair comment Norwegian red, but it's entertaining when they loose ! I checked it tonight to see what they though of their superlative draw with soutend and couldn't help reading a thread entitled jealous teds ! wish I hadn't, but at least it reminded me what a bunch of tunts they are !

Don't do it to yourself! Don't put yourself through it. Be kind to yourself.

Distraction, that's what you need-you get the urge, the thought, "let's see what they're saying" you drop to the floor and do ten press ups, or go to the fridge and stuff yer face/ pour a drink, phone a friend, go for a walk, kick the cat. Anything! Just don't go on their forum. Not until they have a crap week at least.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I still hold hope that someone finds the deeds of the ground and it is returned to its rightful place as a war memorial for sport and for rugby players. Not jealous at all.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Roverzzz will receive ALL non-matchday revenue from the UWE stadium.

How much you can actually make out of impoverished students on pound-a-pint nights is another matter...

The stadium will have a shit load of new housing (Cheswick Village) on its doorstep though so one assumes theyll be other opportunities...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

And their forum is now full of gloating and comments like **** the teds ! these are the same people who we're suggesting a fans united march a fee months ago, when they needed us it was we're all fans, let's unite against the common enemy, now they don't need us it's back to their true feelings **** the teds,.They are vile hypocrites and I don't see how any city fan can be pleased for them, they certainly wouldn't be pleased for us if the shoe was on the other foot !

Too right.

The majority of comments on here were (surprisingly) supportive of their bulldozing of a stadium built to honour Bristol's war dead, their forum is however full of bitter comments about us, I'm with Slartibartfast on this one...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Rovers are who they are and it will never change.

There's no point rising to it. On Saturday my dad said to my eldest who is 8, that The game was a derby match, to which he corrected him as we weren't playing Cardiff!

Will Rovers ever be relevant again?

Who knows? Who cares? Forest Green in the Gloucestershire derby?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You only gotta see what's happened to teams like Darlington, Rushden and Diamonds, even what happened with Coventry with the Rioch, I think its a risk for the Gash, As they havent got a rich man to back them like we have SL. My bet is it will be like Notts County a couple years back, when they brought in Sven and the gang. It will start well, but will fizzle all too quick.

I would wish them well but don't give two shits about them, the only way they will get more people in is by offering free tickets, season tickets to uni students etc and don't forget the plastics. Forest Green will soon over take them as the best team in Gloucester, but don't worry Gloucester City haven't got a home either, what's the chances of them asking for a ground share?

:laugh:

 

what utter garbage... get a grip... 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Rovers are who they are and it will never change.

There's no point rising to it. On Saturday my dad said to my eldest who is 8, that The game was a derby match, to which he corrected him as we weren't playing Cardiff!

Will Rovers ever be relevant again?

Who knows? Who cares? Forest Green in the Gloucestershire derby?

 

I get a feeling some people come on forums and just make things up....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...