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Slightly different and no Rovers fans were on the pitch.

You actually think that anyone going on the pitch, if that was the only offence committed, should receive a lifetime ban?

I reckon most people would think that a little harsh, especially if it were a first offence.

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No way, you don't get out of it that easily! :P

Have you ever been on the pitch at the end of the season? If so you should follow the club's wishes and ban yourself for life too. Looks like I will be saving myselfa shed load of money!

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You actually think that anyone going on the pitch, if that was the only offence committed, should receive a lifetime ban?

I reckon most people would think that a little harsh, especially if it were a first offence.

 

No just stating that it is different for each club. Let's not forget Rovers have a habit of letting things like this go time after time.

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Have you ever been on the pitch at the end of the season? If so you should follow the club's wishes and ban yourself for life too. Looks like I will be saving myselfa shed load of money!

 

I walked onto the pitch after Barnsley a few years back just to take some pictures of the ground. I'll be handing myself in tomorrow morning!

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You actually think that anyone going on the pitch, if that was the only offence committed, should receive a lifetime ban?

I reckon most people would think that a little harsh, especially if it were a first offence.

its would be a case by case basis for me, the majority of people who went on the pitch that night did no harm, its the idiots who ran right for the gas heads are the ones that will recieve bans whether that be life or a year will be up to the the club,

You can't compare it to the rotherham or Crystal palace invasions where most of ashton gate emptied on to the pitch in celebration

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I highly doubt that it was anyone running on the pitch.. especially if the police have arrested 45 people in connection and only 14 were City... Maybe, just maybe there was trouble outside the ground before and after the game? CCTV isn't just confined to the ground.

 

Someone mentioned 14 City, 24 Gas and 7 others... who were these others? No connection with football I take it or were they troublemakers from other clubs?

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I highly doubt that it was anyone running on the pitch.. especially if the police have arrested 45 people in connection and only 14 were City... Maybe, just maybe there was trouble outside the ground before and after the game? CCTV isn't just confined to the ground.

 

Someone mentioned 14 City, 24 Gas and 7 others... who were these others? No connection with football I take it or were they troublemakers from other clubs?

the 7 others were people breaching football banning orders

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I seriously doubt whether these lifetime bans are enforceable by the club. Yeah these people won't be able to get season tickets, as the name/address will flag up on the system but who's gonna stop any of these people paying cash on the day.

 

Their photo's might be up on the ticket office wall for a few months but then...... 

 

Unless the ticket office gets facial recognition software, which is highly unlikey as it can't even handle a bloody barcode at the moment, these people will be let in again once the dust has settled.

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Slight difference in tone between the statements from the 2 clubs.

City statement: 'Anyone found guilt of these offences... can expect a lifetime ban from Ashton Gate.'

Rovers statement: 'If those arrested are found guilty, life time banning orders will be considered if appropriate'.

This feels dirty but fair play Rovers, this is the right way to go about it.

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This feels dirty but fair play Rovers, this is the right way to go about it.

 

Depends what the 'offences' are to my mind. I would have thought, and indeed hope, that City would not make such a statement without knowing full well what the offences are. In short, they must be bad enough for them to come out with such a no-tolerance remark.

 

Conversely, perhaps Rovers already know that some of the offences attributed to their fans are rather luke warm, in part, and by comparison.

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Depends what the 'offences' are to my mind. I would have thought, and indeed hope, that City would not make such a statement without knowing full well what the offences are. In short, they must be bad enough for them to come out with such a no-tolerance remark.

Conversely, perhaps Rovers already know that some of the offences attributed to their fans are rather luke warm, in part, and by comparison.

Good point didn't think about that. I suspect the offences are bad enough to expect a knock on your door at 05am and with only 40 odd people being sought it can only be for the more serious crimes.

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I read with interest the club's statement which says lifetime bans have already been handed out to fans who committed "serious criminal offences" in the away game against Cardiff.... Have I missed something or since when did throwing a plastic cup at someone constitute a serious criminal offence?? Have seen worse on a school playground...

 

When cautions are being handed out for rape in this country one has to ask are sentences and reactions from the authorities and vast majority of supporters (so it would seem) proportionate?

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Sad to see the usual apologists for the vermin out in force.

Affray is a serious offence, so's GBH. Why shouldn't people get nicked for it?

We're talking about the few dozen worst offenders here not the thousands that ran on the pitch. They'll have CCTV evidence for each one.

Stop trying to help the scumbags hide and excusing their actions, it's just as embarrassing.

Give it a rest you drama queen.
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Slightly different and no Rovers fans were on the pitch.

 

Slightly different, but potentially very significantly different.

 

The wording of their statement leaves the way open for Rovers to in fact issue no life bans at all if they don't feel it 'appropriate', whereas City seem to be stating that life bans will be the inevitable outcome for convicted City fans.

 

No just stating that it is different for each club. Let's not forget Rovers have a habit of letting things like this go time after time.

 

You said it.

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Just saw some geezer on HTV claiming to be a representative of BCFC - Doug Something or other.

Seems like our Chief Exec was allowed out of his cage today, or was Junior off ill? If so, I hope his mum phoned to let them know he wouldn't be in!

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Whether you agree or disagree about the way things have gone down and the severity of the clubs action, you cant escape the fact that the club has taken a stance and is sending the stongest message possible.

 

This message will now have to be consistant moving forward as we all know what the punishments are... 

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Slightly different and no Rovers fans were on the pitch.

I heard on the radio this morning that 50 seats were smashed up. I wasn't aware of City doing this, but we know the Gas did because we have seen the footage.

We also know that some of the seats were thrown at City, so I would guess most of the seat chuckers are on CCTV.

Hard to get off that one I would of thought!

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I'm not the one whinging about dawn raids and doors being smashed in. I'm just glad that the police are persuing violent scum. Carry on looking for excuses and apologising for them though.

Yawn. All innocent until proven guilty. No doubt the high drama of the dawn raids appeal to your love of overblown rhetoric and smugness.

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Going on the pitch means that you are leaving yourself open to be prosecuted but I remember the club being proud of the fans on the pitch when we got promoted using the photos whenever they could.but this was different especially when they went in front of the Gas fans,that was provocative and should be dealt with in the correct manor.    

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I know quite a few of those arrested,city and rovers,some of the charges are yet again a complete joke,where as some of them are going to do a stretch inside,with several having suspended sentences hanging over them.also when you see the addresses of those arrested don't assume they are all rovers fans,quite a few of the city fans are from this neck of the woods.

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We all knew this was going to happen though.

Dawn raids have been happening all over the country for years.

Any football related trouble is treated differently to other offences, it's been the same for 20 years.

We had the same after the 96? Pitch invasion ( chasing the gas players off the pitch) and a lot learnt from that and realised a jail sentence would be next if caught playing up.

It's the way things are done now,like it or not.

In the 80's and 90's we got away with things, it doesn't work like that now, it's a mugs game in 2013.

 

Indeed, we live in a completely different country now to how things were 20 to 30 years ago. There are now more cameras in and around Ashton Gate than on a fleet of Japanese tourist buses in London. Police can sift through the pictures at their leisure with maximum financial backing from the Oxbridge educated Con-Dem muppet political administration that see football supporters as lowlife oik scum.

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A lot of people are still not getting it. The club statement was very clear. They want to create a family atmosphere at the club, and anyone who acts or behaves aggressively is simply not welcome at the club.

The warnings have been clear, not least after the Cardiff game. The club have a zero tolerance policy on this matter.

What amazes me is that so many people think that the club (or the police) won't follow through with their threats.

What else does the club need to do?

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Yawn. All innocent until proven guilty. No doubt the high drama of the dawn raids appeal to your love of overblown rhetoric and smugness.

 

Of course they're innocent until proven guilty but if you're not willing to engage both braincells and realise the only ones nicked will be the ones on CCTV - reality is they're all going to get convicted.

 

I'd suggest you steer clear of words you don't know how to use properly.

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Of course they're innocent until proven guilty but if you're not willing to engage both braincells and realise the only ones nicked will be the ones on CCTV - reality is they're all going to get convicted.

I'd suggest you steer clear of words you don't know how to use properly.

The violent scum are now innocent? Make your mind up.

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A lot of people are still not getting it. The club statement was very clear. They want to create a family atmosphere at the club, and anyone who acts or behaves aggressively is simply not welcome at the club.

The warnings have been clear, not least after the Cardiff game. The club have a zero tolerance policy on this matter.

What amazes me is that so many people think that the club (or the police) won't follow through with their threats.

What else does the club need to do?

 

Is this the same club how have called for a hostile Ashton Gate so that away teams hate playing there?

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A lot of people are still not getting it. The club statement was very clear. They want to create a family atmosphere at the club, and anyone who acts or behaves aggressively is simply not welcome at the club.

The warnings have been clear, not least after the Cardiff game. The club have a zero tolerance policy on this matter.

What amazes me is that so many people think that the club (or the police) won't follow through with their threats.

What else does the club need to do?

 

Well as others have mentioned, not use photos of fans committing a criminal offence for publicity to show the passion of the fans. I'm sure if I was arrested for simply entering the field of play I would be arguing that the club turn a blind eye to it on occasion and promote it on others and it requires a consistent approach for the charge to stand. Something or other about precedent. But in the first instance I'd ask my brother for some free advice.

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I think this is excellent work by the police, we would be complaining far more if they weren't doing their job

Let's keep the YOBS out of Ashton Gate.

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I think this is excellent work by the police, we would be complaining far more if they weren't doing their job

Let's keep the YOBS out of Ashton Gate.

The biggest mob that night was the police

How they are seemingly being applauded on here for dealing with something two months down the line is bizzare

Zero tolerance they said.....?

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I think this is excellent work by the police, we would be complaining far more if they weren't doing their job

Let's keep the YOBS out of Ashton Gate.

Pity they weren't doing their job early enough INSIDE the ground. Proper policing would have involved just a couple of idiots being arrested, but that wouldn't have justified the Post headlines and the police overtime.

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Well, as I have pitch-invasion history, when the Old Bill come knocking I'm going to claim to be a Sag just masquerading as a City fan and be rewarded with a life ban from the Mammary Gland.

 

I'm amazed that the Family Club haven't sussed yet that the 25 odd arrested 'Sags' are really City fans in disguise.

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A lot of people are still not getting it. The club statement was very clear. They want to create a family atmosphere at the club, and anyone who acts or behaves aggressively is simply not welcome at the club.

The warnings have been clear, not least after the Cardiff game. The club have a zero tolerance policy on this matter.

What amazes me is that so many people think that the club (or the police) won't follow through with their threats.

What else does the club need to do?

As a matter of interest were you in the escort back to the station ?

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Well, as I have pitch-invasion history, when the Old Bill come knocking I'm going to claim to be a Sag just masquerading as a City fan and be rewarded with a life ban from the Mammary Gland.

I'm amazed that the Family Club haven't sussed yet that the 25 odd arrested 'Sags' are really City fans in disguise.

Don't give the Evil ideas :nono:

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The violent scum are now innocent? Make your mind up.

 

The people arrested are innocent until proven guilty.  The violent scum will be proven guilty.  The chances are that only those caught on CCTV being violent have been arrested and will therefore likely be convicted.

 

Seriously is this hard to understand or something?  You may be better off going back to colouring in, just remember not to eat the crayons.

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At the end of the day, the whole operation should have been better organised. Am I right in saying both sets of fans were allowed to leave at the same time? Of course there was always going to be scuffles, but better planning to keep the two apart after the game should have been reviewed.

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Depends what the 'offences' are to my mind. I would have thought, and indeed hope, that City would not make such a statement without knowing full well what the offences are. In short, they must be bad enough for them to come out with such a no-tolerance remark.

 

Conversely, perhaps Rovers already know that some of the offences attributed to their fans are rather luke warm, in part, and by comparison.

 

No, despite the publicity given to the mostly celebratory pitch invasion, the two worst reported incidents of actual violence on the night were the Rovers fans charging at the Williams and battling with police, and Rovers fans forcing their way through the police cordon outside to fight with City fans.

 

On both occasions Rovers fans were seen as the aggressors, and it seems likely a high percentage of those Rovers fans arrested were due to involvement in these serious incidents.

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In most sports rival fans can mingle before And after the match/event peacefully. The problem with football, is the higher proportion of morons it unfortunately attracts! I think the police walk a fine line between being either to heavy handed or not proactive enough in stamping out potential trouble. But I am happy that these idiots have been identified and shamed. I would like to think they will never be let in to a football match ever again, if they are found guilty of violent conduct etc. It is unfortunate that a misguided minority on here, seem to have some sympathy for these idiots. But like I say, football attracts all types!

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The people arrested are innocent until proven guilty. The violent scum will be proven guilty. The chances are that only those caught on CCTV being violent have been arrested and will therefore likely be convicted.

Seriously is this hard to understand or something? You may be better off going back to colouring in, just remember not to eat the crayons.

You condem people that are aggressive at Football so why are you so aggressive when trying to make a point? trying so hard to belittle people who don't agree with you.

You should get a life ban yourself for being such a condescending nause.

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If plod had pulled out the water canons from minute 1 an abliterated the problem, it would not have been appreciated even as a bystander. It would have probably even esculated things. In Brazil, plod would not have ****** about and people know that, but this England.

It was made clear that cctv is in operation and if you're guilty you will be prosecuted. Even if that's taken a couple months, and woken people up at 6am, I see it as an effective policy.

For the safety of 'carried away kids', who ran onto some grass, it worked too.

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I would have thought that some arrests would relate to fighting in Winterstoke Road Car Park and the industrial estate after the game and the numerous scraps in and around Bristol. Also for any violent behaviour, seat or coin throwing inside the ground.

 

More than likely, lot of bother away from the game that day apparently.

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Will be interesting to see the how the punishment for whatever charges are brought will relate to the 6 Charlton fans who have just got 6-18months prison sentences for racial chanting on a train.

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You condem people that are aggressive at Football so why are you so aggressive when trying to make a point? trying so hard to belittle people who don't agree with you.

You should get a life ban yourself for being such a condescending nause.

I respond in kind, I figure if people dish it out they shouldn't cry too much about getting it back. Dry your eyes.
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Radio 5 just reporting that 16 people have been arrested in dawn raids, this is in connection with the violence at the local derby.

I didn't witness any of the alleged violence, but blimey, that does seem a bit OTT for running on the pitch, unless there was some more serious incidents.

i doubt this is about running on a pitch..other incidents outside the ground and elsewhere are what its about i guess. 

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Why the National reporting on this ???

Absurd when probably 16 get nicked every weekend in Bristol City Centre

When the police actually carry out some proper policing at a football match, perhaps they will gain some respect

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Why the National reporting on this ???

Absurd when probably 16 get nicked every weekend in Bristol City Centre

When the police actually carry out some proper policing at a football match, perhaps they will gain some respect

 

Maybe trying to quickly cover up the bad press they had the day before on the way they handled the guy who was eventually murdered in Bristol!!!!

 

Like a political party try and put some bad news away quickly with some other story to distract

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FWIW, you take your chances, the signs are and have been clear enough re pitch invasions/whatever in the past. If you get your collar felt, you get your collar felt. Them's the risk you take breaking the law as it stands.

 

I actually tend to feel that those warnings are aimed more at an individual encroaching the playing area rather than a mass number.

 

The strangest part of the evening was the guy who kept running on and off the pitch but no policeman OR steward tried to apprehend him at any time

 

As has been said a thousand times before those who just ran on the pitch will be ok, it is the one's who committed another offence whilst on there.

I suspect that 99% of these arrests we have heard about will be for the clashes before and after the game (oh yeah good call letting the away fans out at the same time)

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2nd instance of pitch invasion of a local derby this year, Preston vs Blackpool was similar.

 

The PNE/Blackpool game was very similar in many ways.

 

Local derby, unusually big and volatile crowd with significant away support, large number of PNE fans on the pitch at the end gathering directly in front of the away end, violent incidents reported before and after the match outside the ground. Live on TV as well.

 

You obviously have knowledge of the area Ralph - any dawn raids reported up there, and how does the arrests total for that match compare with our derby?

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An interesting comment below this news item from a reader:

 

Is this a joke! WANTED...A topless man and a woman dancing on a football pitch!!..

People are being mugged, stabbed, robbed, abused, attacked every 24hrs in Preston. Lancs Constabulary are becoming an embarrassment.

Sack the officer in charge for gross misconduct re his pre match preparations.

Concentrate on real crime ....

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Why are you such an angry individual? 

He isn't - he is one of the best posters on here.

 

I willing to bet that nearly all or all will have been arrested because they are suspected of serious crimes (ie not just running on the pitch).

 

Sad to see the apologists out in force on here.

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