Bowie Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Two ways of looking at it today. Baldocks poor finishing cost us 3 points. Baldocks 2 goals got us a point. Both Fully accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 22 missed 1 on 1s? What's your thoughts on that? My thoughts are he's one of the highest scorers in League One and the joint highest in our team, and on course for 20-25 league goals. Why does no one talk about the number of missed tackles that Flint makes? Or the number of times JET tries to take on 8 players and loses possession? Ultimately, a striker is measured on goals scored, and for him to be on course for that total when we've been propping up the league all season makes it beyond belief that every game ends in a thread bemoaning a "wasteful" striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Could have scored 5 got 2. Confident with tihe manager. At last someone with a brain board included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collier Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Who is to blame for the 2 concede then? if we hadn't we would have won 2-0!! Sorry but that's utter crap, I won't slag off Baldock because he scored 2 albeit simple goals today but if he had taken the first 2 chances instead of his last 2, we would have taken 3 points today. What people seem to forget is that as a defender you can't take back a mistake that leads to a goal or 2 once they have been scored. As a striker it seems ok that you can miss a hatful of chances as long as you make up for it in the second half. Baldock put extra pressure on the defence today by not taking at least 1 of the 3 guilt edge chances he had in the first 15 minutes. At say 2 or 3 nil people could forgive us conceding the first goal but at 0-0 its magnified 10 fold as the reason we didn't get 3 points imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 The stats are still incomparible. Pitman finished better than Baldock in the one on one environment, but Baldock scores more goals. Personally I'd rather have someone who will give you 20 a season than someone that is more "clinical" but doesn't make enough chances. 1 in 2 is better than 1 in 4 whichever way you slice it up. Not if you break it down to minutes on the pitch. Baldock is ever present. Anyway, I don't wish to slate Baldock. As I have stated in a previous post, his goal to games ratio this season is as much as the most optomistic fan could have asked from him. I just don't happen to believe that he is a 'natural' finisher. Pitman was one of the most 'natural' finishers I have seen in my time at the gate, along with Bob Taylor and (in his time with us) Leroy Lita. Oh, and Andy Cole, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Apart from all the one on ones he's missed that have been threaded through to him on the ground??? Notts county miss - ball played on the ground. 3x Coventry misses - ball played on the ground. 2x misses today - ball played on the ground Miss vs Crawley - ball played on the ground. Miss vs Watford - ball played on the ground. I could go on and on. Don't get this "long balls pumped to him" bollucks. They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works everytime..........and you mean bollocks, bollucks is a spherical soap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Two ways of looking at it today. Baldocks poor finishing cost us 3 points. Baldocks 2 goals got us a point. Both Fully accurate. More accurate, our defending cost us a win, score 2 goals at home you should win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Because he sticks one of those away early on we have something to hold onto and gives the team a boost. He misses them and low and behold we're 2-0 down at half time.He scores one and we hold onto a lead and lose momentum and end up losing three one, who's to say what would happen?Point is, he scored two, from five chances. Missed one sitter. The one on ones weren't sitters they were decent chances but not ones you'd expect to score every time - MK Dons missed two like that as well.Let's not mention El Abd (who was otherwise good) giving away the first goal or all three central midfielders and three central defenders letting them walk unchallenged through the middle of the pitch for the second shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hortonred Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 He set up Baldocks chances for **** sake!!!!! Anyone who would sell JET over Baldock needs their head tested. Running around isn't a skill. JET = most talented player we've had in years and years. That what I was saying in response to the poster who was slagging off JET.I am in total agreement for ****sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Two ways of looking at it today. Baldocks poor finishing cost us 3 points. Baldocks 2 goals got us a point. Both Fully accurate. Could double that for both the Dongs games this season. For all the frustrations with his, is it our goals for, or goals against that is the core of the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Sorry but that's utter crap, I won't slag off Baldock because he scored 2 albeit simple goals today but if he had taken the first 2 chances instead of his last 2, we would have taken 3 points today. What people seem to forget is that as a defender you can't take back a mistake that leads to a goal or 2 once they have been scored. As a striker it seems ok that you can miss a hatful of chances as long as you make up for it in the second half. Baldock put extra pressure on the defence today by not taking at least 1 of the 3 guilt edge chances he had in the first 15 minutes. At say 2 or 3 nil people could forgive us conceding the first goal but at 0-0 its magnified 10 fold as the reason we didn't get 3 points imo. It is just as crap as blaming the striker for missing, by your reckoning Baldock should be scoring a hattrick every game due to defensive frailties not being the problem of thse making mistakes, that i am afraid is utter crap as you so eloquently put it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Not if you break it down to minutes on the pitch. Baldock is ever present. Anyway, I don't wish to slate Baldock. As I have stated in a previous post, his goal to games ratio this season is as much as the most optomistic fan could have asked from him. I just don't happen to believe that he is a 'natural' finisher. Pitman was one of the most 'natural' finishers I have seen in my time at the gate, along with Bob Taylor and (in his time with us) Leroy Lita. Oh, and Andy Cole, of course. Maybe so but he scored just 20 times in nearly 80 games. If Baldock isn't driven out by the time he's played 80 games for us he could be on 30-35 I don't know how often he starts for Bournemouth but he's on 5 in 24 this season. So still VERY strange for people to be lamenting him as the one who got away when our only out and out striker who starts games is considerably more prolific. Less clinical perhaps, but still by far the more prolific striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcbs20 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 He scores one and we hold onto a lead and lose momentum and end up losing three one, who's to say what would happen? Point is, he scored two, from five chances. Missed one sitter. The one on ones weren't sitters they were decent chances but not ones you'd expect to score every time - MK Dons missed two like that as well. Let's not mention El Abd (who was otherwise good) giving away the first goal or all three central midfielders and three central defenders letting them walk unchallenged through the middle of the pitch for the second shall we? I don't disagree with you, at least we're creating chances I think we created more chances today then the whole time SoD was here. But we get that early goal it changes the game as we saw Tuesday and today we don't take our chances we get punished as the defence isn't good enough to keep clean sheets. A bit more compourse from Sammy today and we would of had 3 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 The oddity is that he struggles with one on ones and yet is such a clinical penalty taker. Instinctive finishers who struggle with one on ones usually struggle purely because they have time to think about where they're going to put the ball, which should give them even more issues when they take a penalty. Both his penalties went straight down the middle, rare that he puts them into a corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 That what I was saying in response to the poster who was slagging off JET.I am in total agreement for ****sake. I used your comment to back up my views mate, in agreement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Scoring the simple chances he had today doesnt just make him 'a Premier League player'. Being in this league isnt an excuse to miss an open goal and 2 chances in on the keeper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodbarmyarmy Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Baldock's header miss was a big blow but the one on ones weren't as simple as they might have been. Not a good angle and covering defenders made it hard for him to go across the keeper. Scoring two out of five chances is a normal return for a striker so why people make such a big deal about it is beyond me. I said at the start of the season he'd break 20 - and only two strikers since Taylor have done that for us in the league - and he will. JET wasn't at his best but I'd make two points. One: He still created a lot - sprung the offside trap for Baldock four times I think and started the move that led to his good chance in the first half. Two: On the two or three prominent times he lost the ball he was carrying it out of defence, with no passing options in front or level with him, and being challenged by two or three opponents together. To be honest I think some people watch too much Premier League. You can't expect a striker to score every chance and when they've got 33 goals between them just over half way through the season complaining about either of them is complete nonsense. Voice of reason as always Nibor.... He ran his socks off today and got just reward with his 2 goals.......and that is the 3rd 90 mins he has worked like that in the last 8 days......others have played 3 hard games as well granted but the way we play with 5 across the back means he has to work harder than he ever had to with a big guy alongside him up front.... A lot of spoilt brats moaning about a striker who has "only" scored 2 goals today ......unbelievable could only happen here We should be grateful we have him likewise some supporters should be grateful to support BCFC because sometimes they really dont deserve to ,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Superjack Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Maybe so but he scored just 20 times in nearly 80 games. If Baldock isn't driven out by the time he's played 80 games for us he could be on 30-35 I don't know how often he starts for Bournemouth but he's on 5 in 24 this season. So still VERY strange for people to be lamenting him as the one who got away when our only out and out striker who starts games is considerably more prolific. Less clinical perhaps, but still by far the more prolific striker. I don't know how much Pitman starts for Bournemouth either... ...maybe you are right. I do know that I wish we'd had Pitman on the bench today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hortonred Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I'm not sure about Pitman he always came across a bit lazy for me, A bit like JET, Maynard was the best quick intelligent and natural finisher I've seen at the gate Pitman and Davies close to him, If Davies didn't get injured as much as he did he would of got loads of goals this season with the service Baldock has got Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoc Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Both his penalties went straight down the middle, rare that he puts them into a corner He's taken more than two in his career hasn't he? And the two you mention, they went in, yes? Guessing you'd have no issues with any of these one on ones going straight down the middle, if they'd been the right play at the time and he's scored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Hahaha the guy scores two but that still isnt enough for some. Get a grip ffs. If he had 20 chances and scored 2 would you be happy? Whether you think he should have scored more or not, this is a BS argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 He may have scored 2 from 5 today but had of scored the two earlier one, we might have had an easier game at 2-0 up. Instead we spent the rest of the game trying to get it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cityexile Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Serious question - for those writing him off, given the chances he has certainly had, how many goals do you believe he should have had at this stage of the season, for you to have been happy with his finishing ratio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Serious question - for those writing him off, given the chances he has certainly had, how many goals do you believe he should have had at this stage of the season, for you to have been happy with his finishing ratio? I've seen some experts mentioning 30 :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 He gets in the positions better than any striker we've had... Just can't finish, either some confidence or pressure from another striker is needed to get the best out of him. Can't believe we are moaning about a striker that has got 15 goals this season. We would of killed of that last year! 33 goals between our 2 strikers yet we sit in the relegation zone... Perhaps poor goalkeeping and defending and not Baldock missing sitters is the problem. Who else thought after all those chances after 5 mins that MKD would be the first to score? I did, just how city have made me feel nowadays. We could be 5-0 up with 20 seconds left and I still wouldn't be convinced we would win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodbarmyarmy Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 He may have scored 2 from 5 today but had of scored the two earlier one, we might have had an easier game at 2-0 up. Instead we spent the rest of the game trying to get it back. yeah and then we may have sat back and let them come back,,,I wonder who we would be blaming then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 yeah and then we may have sat back and let them come back,,,I wonder who we would be blaming then? Maybe but it would have given us a better chance if winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 He gets in the positions better than any striker we've had... Just can't finish, either some confidence or pressure from another striker is needed to get the best out of him. Can't believe we are moaning about a striker that has got 15 goals this season. We would of killed of that last year! At this point last season he had one league goal fewer than he had before today, but sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldlandReddies Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I know Baldy missed several easy chances in the first half but, after scoring his first goal with a magnificent finish, did he really deserve to be booed by a number of fans in the Ateyo ? How the hell is that going to achieve anything ? Would anyone who booed like to step forward and have the balls to explain their actions please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 He set up Baldocks chances for **** sake!!!!! Anyone who would sell JET over Baldock needs their head tested. Running around isn't a skill. JET = most talented player we've had in years and years. Don't think anyone denies JET is talented, he also very lazy defending. Watford on Tuesday we were defending as a team of 10, he did NOTHING defensively. I can understand why Baldock is getting stick but at the same time he HAS rescued us a point today. If he finished every chance he got he wouldn't be in a relegation scrap in League 1. Whose to say if he'd scored the first one, he wouldn't have been marked tighter / given more attention and had the rest of his chances stifled?! Who knows, the whole dynamic of the game changes. What we do know is 1 player doesn't cost us a game. Yes he's missed chances but if he scores in the first half and we don't concede we win? It's the defense that needs to be looked at! At least SC is aware and plans to work on his finishing in training. Let's keep our fingers crossed and remember, we've got two very capable strikers and a team creating plenty of chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITW Posted January 18, 2014 Author Share Posted January 18, 2014 I know Baldy missed several easy chances in the first half but, after scoring his first goal with a magnificent finish, did he really deserve to be booed by a number of fans in the Ateyo ? How the hell is that going to achieve anything ? Would anyone who booed like to step forward and have the balls to explain their actions please ? Was he really booed? Didn't hear from the Dolman but that's bad if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcbs20 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I know Baldy missed several easy chances in the first half but, after scoring his first goal with a magnificent finish, did he really deserve to be booed by a number of fans in the Ateyo ? How the hell is that going to achieve anything ? Would anyone who booed like to step forward and have the balls to explain their actions please ? Where was this I was in the E block and never heard any booing. Hands up I was calling him a uesless c### when he missed that header. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibs Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Let's be honest, JET's miss (Gaping goal and hits the 1 defender between him and the goal, 18 yards out with time and on his left foot) was almost as bad as Baldocks header. The problem today and for a lot of this season, is not just his misses but the timing of them. If he misses them when it doesn't matter (2-0 up) then nobody cares or remembers but the trouble is, they always seem to be when it matters. Fair play to the bloke, so many players would have gone hiding in the second half but he kept going and kept getting in the right positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Amazing that there's a thread slagging off Baldock, and nothing about how utterly useless JET was. We may as well have played with 10 men until Burns and Barnett came on. Perhaps if every other game SB didn't have to do the work of two people he'd get more. He worked his socks off in the second half, and Barnett did more in 30 seconds than JET did today. Baldock clearly lacks a bit of confidence in the one on one situation, but he still got two goals which salvaged us a point today. I couldn't believe the two chumps behind me who booed him off at half time. Embarassing. Funny how Baldock is lamented for his lack of putting chances away, and what's he on now? 15 or something? Well on course for 20+. If we didn't concede so many, we'd be top half. The goals we conceded today were so soft, and that's why we dropped 2 points today. A lot of sympathy for the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodbarmyarmy Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Maybe but it would have given us a better chance if winning. agreed ,,, but surely we should be saying well done for pulling your socks up and notching a brace to rescue a point ....? He got 14 now and will end with 20+ unless you think he isnt good enough to get 6 more in the remaining 21 games in fact IF (big IF ) he repeats what he has done in first half of season then he will be closer to 30!.......and its a long time since we had a player close to that number (one amazing Murray season excepted) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted January 18, 2014 Admin Share Posted January 18, 2014 Unfortunately the O/S appears to only count shots on target of which Baldock has had 38. His main problem seems to be hitting the ball straight to the keeper when one-on-one but it's likely he has missed as many shots off target as he has hit shots on target. That would give a figure of 76 shots which is roughly a goal every 5 shots. Today he bettered this with 2 in 5, which people are claiming isn't good enough. Maybe he should try and score with 3 in every 5 shots? This would have him on 42 goals before the end of January. Remember Andy Cole used to be criticised for only scoring 1 in 7 chances. Around 1 in 5 is the normal rate for a decent striker at whatever level you are playing. Anything better than that is exceptional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodbarmyarmy Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 If he had 20 chances and scored 2 would you be happy? . would be over the moon with creating 20 chances..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcbs20 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Unfortunately the O/S appears to only count shots on target of which Baldock has had 38. His main problem seems to be hitting the ball straight to the keeper when one-on-one but it's likely he has missed as many shots off target as he has hit shots on target. That would give a figure of 76 shots which is roughly a goal every 5 shots. Today he bettered this with 2 in 5, which people are claiming isn't good enough. Maybe he should try and score with 3 in every 5 shots? This would have him on 42 goals before the end of January. Remember Andy Cole used to be criticised for only scoring 1 in 7 chances. Around 1 in 5 is the normal rate for a decent striker at whatever level you are playing. Anything better than that is exceptional. I'm not having a go at him for his goal ratio what IU'm saying is he scores those goals to put us 2-0 up intead of making 2-2 we have more chance of getting 3 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Your tongue is still firmly wedged up Baldocks arse...... The comparison your making to Pittman is one of a desperate man.....the fact Pittman made so many appearances off the bench combined in a team that created NOTHING in the division ABOVE just confirms just how clueless you are. They shouldn't be compared, but personally would much prefer Brett at this level than baldock. Baldock's goal to appearance ratio is considerably better than Pitmans, and he's the 6th highest scorer in the league. If that's a wasteful striker then I'm glad we have one. Fact is we don't have Pitman, so move on. There is absolutely no evidence of any kind to suggest he would be on more than 12 goals this season, might as well speculate on how many assists Ozil would have for all the good it will do. There's a reason Baldock's played basically every game we've played. We don't have anyone who will put the ball in the back of the net as much as he will, so maybe people should try supporting rather than constantly picking fault. Good to see I still can't make a post without you having a personal dig though. The hallmark of intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 agreed ,,, but surely we should be saying well done for pulling your socks up and notching a brace to rescue a point ....? He got 14 now and will end with 20+ unless you think he isnt good enough to get 6 more in the remaining 21 games in fact IF (big IF ) he repeats what he has done in first half of season then he will be closer to 30!.......and its a long time since we had a player close to that number (one amazing Murray season excepted) He will get 20 no doubt and is a good striker at this level. Just wish he could convert a few more one on one's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dandare 1966 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Fair play to the manager I would have taken Baldock of at half time but he stuck with it then he got 2 but if he could finish better we should have been 3 0 up before they had scored and we would have won easy then . Gillette had a good game Reid looked tired Cunningham very good oh great save from parish to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Oh that Pitman, that is now back at his beloved Bournemouth, never starts a game and like with City ,is always on the bench. Pitman in the same class as Goater, now that is a big alarm bell for a clown comment. Mix the movement of Baldock with the finishing of Pitman, then you would have a player. Pitman was ok, but stop inventing hyperbole to suggest he was something that he was not. History too. Baldock is who we have, is getting into good positions, and if you research about strikers, you will find out that is the vital element. As over time, and seasons it is that which will bring goals. There was a very intense study made on this over a large number of players, seasons etc. Each player had a conversion rate and a level of chances created, that varied over time. At certain points everything goes in, then they get drought (Torres a good example) . Baldock is creating chances, scored 2 today, and will get over 20 this season. In a bottom 4 side. It is why sides need 4 or 5 strikers. At L1 level Sam is a good player. Pitman, a lower league striker, scored 20 goals twice i think in a season in is career, last season too. Cannot score for toffee in the Championship. I am quite sure Baldock will get more than the 20 scored by Pitman last year in a promoted side, this season. Where is the problem. More worried by letting in the same type of goals, diagonal balls into the box, players at back post, behind defenders. Who scored more goals in a season for City? Baldock or Pitman Perhaps you should check that and reconsider your comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I think that some people are prejudiced against Pitman... ...which may be because of Jed Pitman... ...so that's fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Who scored more goals in a season for City? Baldock or Pitman Perhaps you should check that and reconsider your comments For at least a week your comment will have legs. Enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Right my 2 penny worth. Baldock and Jet don't seem to have much of a partnership, they don't work particularly well together, but between them they contribute a lot of goals. I would have been tempted to take both of them off 10 minutes after HT, but without seeing Barnett play I looked around the rest of the team and couldn't really see where the 2 or 3 goals we needed would come from. Cunningham or Wagstaff looked the next most likely to score. Reid ? Pack? Gillett? Nope, unlikely. The rest of the defenders, even though they come up for every corner etc? Again unlikely. I did like the introduction of Wes Burns, every game I have seen him play he has made a contribution. I like how we use Cunningham at the moment, suits his game better than purely defending. He got into some great positions but he isn't a striker, just as Wagstaff's strength isn't defending. So as unconvincing as it is do we keep using Jet and Baldock as we do or try to get one of them to play with a different partner. We do really need to stop letting in unchallenged soft goals though, that's a certainty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodbarmyarmy Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 He will get 20 no doubt and is a good striker at this level. Just wish he could convert a few more one on one's. amen to that brother,,,,,,imo we are getting a good return from him .....the real issue is the conceding,,,,, cut that out and draws like today become wins......even if we miss loads of chances ...... and i believe we will get there ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 amen to that brother,,,,,,imo we are getting a good return from him .....the real issue is the conceding,,,,, cut that out and draws like today become wins......even if we miss loads of chances ...... and i believe we will get there ! Don't let sense get in the way of a good scapegoat opportunity! The fact that we've dropped a level and we are still propping up a league due to goals conceded seems to have escaped the attentions of the whingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OldlandReddies Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Fair play to the manager I would have taken Baldock of at half time but he stuck with it then he got 2 but if he could finish better we should have been 3 0 up before they had scored and we would have won easy then . Gillette had a good game Reid looked tired Cunningham very good oh great save from parish to Thats why you, me and 9000 other City fans aint the manager. His movement, pace and positioning today went a long way to him having all those chances in the first half. If he could get in the same positions in the second half then he was going to hit the back of the net at some time. As\you say, well done SC for sticking with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Thats why you, me and 9000 other City fans aint the manager. His movement, pace and positioning today went a long way to him having all those chances in the first half. If he could get in the same positions in the second half then he was going to hit the back of the net at some time. As\you say, well done SC for sticking with him. Spot on - those chances he missed might never have happened if he wasn't playing, who else makes the runs like he does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnclosureSurge Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 On the one hand he scored two from 'five' chances today (a lot of other games he's scored zero from three, four chances) and gets in position to miss/score them; on the other the header in front of the EE was an abysmal effort and not untypical of some of his finishing this season plus, for me, he is at fault for missing 1 v 1s the same way - straight at the keeper. Has he tried to go round the keeper at all (I honestly can't remember! He may have done!)? Surely he should be (and may be) working after training to get that bit of his game right as it is clearly amiss. In our line of work, whatever it might be, we'd work on something that wasn't up to the mark. Couple of things on here: http://thenatchwall.wordpress.com/ But don;t all go too mental, it's all just a matter of opinion! No matter what, gotta keep getting behind him and the lads cos by not winning games like this (ie in this manner) we are going down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Question. Is part of the problem playing JET as a Baldock's strike partner? Most of the through balls that put Baldock one on one come from JET. What that means is that there's no other striker running in alongside, or slightly behind, Baldock. That means he's got no options, and that makes it easier for the opposing keeper. I'm thinking play JET behind the front two: he'll still get goals from there, will still be able to spot Baldock's runs and play to his strengths, but not mean that every time that happens it's a straightforward one on one. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 If to win, Baldock needs to get a hat trick, then we are in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 As I keep saying, Has Sam Baldock really scored any goals this season he had absolutley no right in doing so? No Has Sam Baldock missed 22 1 on 1 chances with the keeper this seadon? Yes Should Sam Baldock have scored more than he has this season? Undoubtably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 As I keep saying, Has Sam Baldock really scored any goals this season he had absolutley no right in doing so? No Has Sam Baldock missed 22 1 on 1 chances with the keeper this seadon? Yes Should Sam Baldock have scored more than he has this season? Undoubtably Some of his finishes have been decent. I to would have liked him to have scored a few more of course, but I refer you to my previous question. Given those chances, how many would he have to have scored at this stage for you to have been content? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 For at least a week your comment will have legs. Enjoy. Ok. As your being pedantic, I'll repeat the question CLEARER for you as you obviously missed the understanding. Who has scored more goals in Championship season for City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Some of his finishes have been decent. I to would have liked him to have scored a few more of course, but I refer you to my previous question. Given those chances, how many would he have to have scored at this stage for you to have been content? I'm not sure that it's a question that I can answer, if we were playing well and the rest were chipping in goals then I would be happy if he had scored 3. The fact is we are where we are and part if that reason is Baldock has missed 22 chances where you would expect a competent striker to have scored at least half of them. There is no reason to say Baldock should not be on a very minimum of 22-25 goals already this season with the chances he's had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 There's a reason Baldock's played basically every game we've played. We don't have anyone who will put the ball in the back of the net as much as he will, so maybe people should try supporting rather than constantly picking fault. . Apart from Jet obviously.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggythecity Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Ok. As your being pedantic, I'll repeat the question CLEARER for you as you obviously missed the understanding. Who has scored more goals in Championship season for City. Unreal comment Pitman played a few more games im guessing without checking,just for the record in 2 tears time who will be in the higher div,answer me then but answer will be Baldock!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Well its all about views I guess. Just find it odd those who have a go at our front two for missing chances, as if the chances created are delivered like Xmas presents and completly unrelated to how the two are playing. To be honest, I can find the workrate, missed chances as frustrating as anything to. I cannot think of a City side that so consistently creates chances - I just happen to think a fair bit of that is down to Jet and Sammy themselves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Pitman scored almost 1 in 4 for us, Baldock is close to double that, yet everyone talks about how clinical Pitman is. You link is inaccurate as it ignores the FACT that both Nahki Wells and Patrick Bamford have both scored more goals in this league this season. Your stats also ignore THE FACT that Pitman played for us at a higher standard of football as all his goals were at championship level. Pitman scored the goals that were required to keep us in the championship. Baldock contrived towards relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Apart from Jet obviously.... Baldock is now joint scorer with JET. who knows who will finish the season on more. At least Baldock wanted it today. More than can be said for JET who can seemingly do no wrong. Much is made of Baldock's chances missed but nothing of JET who today couldn't find a team mate more often than he was dispossessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I'm not sure that it's a question that I can answer, if we were playing well and the rest were chipping in goals then I would be happy if he had scored 3. The fact is we are where we are and part if that reason is Baldock has missed 22 chances where you would expect a competent striker to have scored at least half of them. There is no reason to say Baldock should not be on a very minimum of 22-25 goals already this season with the chances he's had. There is the conundrum. He really could be the top scorer in the country right now. However to say that to be content with him, because of how the rest of the team is doing, he would have to be the countrys top scorer is setting the bar very high indeed. It is very frustrating, but if we were tighter, I think we would be celebrating his winners much more than his misses. I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Baldock is now joint scorer with JET. who knows who will finish the season on more. At least Baldock wanted it today. More than can be said for JET who can seemingly do no wrong. Much is made of Baldock's chances missed but nothing of JET who today couldn't find a team mate more often than he was dispossessed. Apart from the FACT that Jet has scored more goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Baldock is now joint scorer with JET. who knows who will finish the season on more. At least Baldock wanted it today. More than can be said for JET who can seemingly do no wrong. Much is made of Baldock's chances missed but nothing of JET who today couldn't find a team mate more often than he was dispossessed. Apart from setting up Baldock numerous chances which he misses, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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