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There is the conundrum.

He really could be the top scorer in the country right now. However to say that to be content with him, because of how the rest of the team is doing, he would have to be the countrys top scorer is setting the bar very high indeed.

It is very frustrating, but if we were tighter, I think we would be celebrating his winners much more than his misses.

I think...

Valid point about the defence,

for me it's purely down to the chances he's missed, these are not what I consider to be half chances hence why I believe he probably should be the country's top scorer right now.

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There is the conundrum.

He really could be the top scorer in the country right now. However to say that to be content with him, because of how the rest of the team is doing, he would have to be the countrys top scorer is setting the bar very high indeed.

It is very frustrating, but if we were tighter, I think we would be celebrating his winners much more than his misses.

I think...

Quite.

Bottom line is if he was scoring that many he wouldn't be playing for us!

Anyone would think we were Man City the way we think so highly of ourselves. We're propping up division 3 people, reality check.

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Baldock is now joint scorer with JET. who knows who will finish the season on more.

At least Baldock wanted it today. More than can be said for JET who can seemingly do no wrong.

Much is made of Baldock's chances missed but nothing of JET who today couldn't find a team mate more often than he was dispossessed.

Apart from the FACT that Jet has scored more goals despite prior to this season never being an out and out forward.

Plus the FACT that Baldock is our pen taker so would likely get a few more goals as he has.

You mention Jets passing however would you like to down the route of assists this season v Baldock Or would you rather quit now and climb out of the hole you've dug yourself.

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Apart from the FACT that Jet has scored more goals despite prior to this season never being an out and out forward.

Plus the FACT that Baldock is our pen taker so would likely get a few more goals as he has.

You mention Jets passing however would you like to down the route of assists this season v Baldock Or would you rather quit now and climb out of the hole you've dug yourself.

Why would you measure a striker on assists you clown?

I measure a striker at the end of a season on goals. SB is on course for 20+ which would be a phenomenal return given that we are looking at the real possibility of a relegation battle.

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Quite.

Bottom line is if he was scoring that many he wouldn't be playing for us!

Anyone would think we were Man City the way we think so highly of ourselves. We're propping up division 3 people, reality check.

This is such an invalid argument I'm afraid....You refuse to recognise the 22 missed 1 on2s this season.

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Frustrating first half performance, it has definitely become a psychological thing now (in regard to the amount of one and ones he's missed), but credit to Sam for bouncing back in the second half and scoring two important goals. Hopefully he can kick on from this now.

 

At the end of the day Sam and JET are on twelve goals each in the league, just three behind the overall top goalscorer.. That's not bad when considering they're both in a team that's currently 22nd place. It would surprise me if Sam ended up top goalscorer in the league if we can go on a little run. With a bit of added confidence and having the likes of Reid, Gillett and Pack in the side, he will continue to get those one on ones and if he starts converting a higher percentage of them he will be cruising.

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This is such an invalid argument I'm afraid....You refuse to recognise the 22 missed 1 on2s this season.

I'm not failing to recognise them. But 22 one on ones? Give me a break, it's not that many. Suarez probably hasn't had 22 one on ones this season.

Is he as clinical as we would like? No.

But he is our joint top scorer and the only striker we have who could finish a season on 20 goals.

As someone else said he shouldn't have to score a hat trick for us to win a game.

Goals conceded have been our problem for years and that still hasn't been fixed yet.

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I'm not failing to recognise them. But 22 one on ones? Give me a break, it's not that many. Suarez probably hasn't had 22 one on ones this season.

Is he as clinical as we would like? No.

But he is our joint top scorer and the only striker we have who could finish a season on 20 goals.

As someone else said he shouldn't have to score a hat trick for us to win a game.

Goals conceded have been our problem for years and that still hasn't been fixed yet.

Your right he shouldn't have to score a hat trick for us to win but that's a completely different subject.

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Why would you measure a striker on assists you clown?

I measure a striker at the end of a season on goals. SB is on course for 20+ which would be a phenomenal return given that we are looking at the real possibility of a relegation battle.

No need for personal abuse.

You refered to Jets passing not me, you refered his inability to find a team mate, which is unfair considering he is top of both assists and goals this season. Striker are also based on assists.

When you compare Jet v Baldock, Jet without doubt has had a great impact on the team this season.

Baldock may or may not get 20 goals by the end of the season and he should given his reputation, however Jet will likely be on 20 goals by end of the month, whereas Baldock will be doing well still to be captain at the end of the month.

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If the season finished today. Who would be top scorer.

The one thing I can't help thinking every time I see Baldock play is, if only he had Brett Pitman's killer instinct and eye for goal, to go with his pace and workrate.  

 

Then I remind myself that if he did, he wouldn't be with us for very long!!!

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I keep hearing baldock has missed 22 one on ones. Anyone care to list them. The most I have actually seen listed is 8.

I'd hate to think he was getting chastised for a number pulled out of someone's backside.

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So because west ham panic bought a striker (it's what they do) he has to perform to a higher standard than anyone else in the league?

I fail to see how you can expect a striker in a team that's been as bad as we have all season to have more than Baldock does at this stage of the season.

Jet has

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So because west ham panic bought a striker (it's what they do) he has to perform to a higher standard than anyone else in the league?

I fail to see how you can expect a striker in a team that's been as bad as we have all season to have more than Baldock does at this stage of the season.

Jet has

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Baldock's header miss was a big blow but the one on ones weren't as simple as they might have been. Not a good angle and covering defenders made it hard for him to go across the keeper.

Scoring two out of five chances is a normal return for a striker so why people make such a big deal about it is beyond me. I said at the start of the season he'd break 20 - and only two strikers since Taylor have done that for us in the league - and he will.

JET wasn't at his best but I'd make two points. One: He still created a lot - sprung the offside trap for Baldock four times I think and started the move that led to his good chance in the first half. Two: On the two or three prominent times he lost the ball he was carrying it out of defence, with no passing options in front or level with him, and being challenged by two or three opponents together.

To be honest I think some people watch too much Premier League. You can't expect a striker to score every chance and when they've got 33 goals between them just over half way through the season complaining about either of them is complete nonsense.

 

 

He scores one and we hold onto a lead and lose momentum and end up losing three one, who's to say what would happen?

Point is, he scored two, from five chances. Missed one sitter. The one on ones weren't sitters they were decent chances but not ones you'd expect to score every time - MK Dons missed two like that as well.

Let's not mention El Abd (who was otherwise good) giving away the first goal or all three central midfielders and three central defenders letting them walk unchallenged through the middle of the pitch for the second shall we?

 

These quotes are far too sensible for this thread!

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It's the same argument as "Well at least he's trying", it doesn't stick at all, 22 1 on 1s and to score 0 any player in any division at any level is shocking

I am not sure that is entirely fair.

It is being said he has missed 22. I have not counted them, but Its not really 0/22 is it - more like 6/28 or something.

For most forwards, I supect their scoring rate on a sample comprised solely of misses is not that great..

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So because west ham panic bought a striker (it's what they do) he has to perform to a higher standard than anyone else in the league?

I fail to see how you can expect a striker in a team that's been as bad as we have all season to have more than Baldock does at this stage of the season.

Has he scored any goals he had no right to? (Like JET has for example)

Not for me, so with the 22 missed 1 on 1s I believe he should be on more and City should be higher in the league.

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Has he scored any goals he had no right to? (Like JET has for example)

Not for me, so with the 22 missed 1 on 1s I believe he should be on more and City should be higher in the league.

Come on list them you are mentioning this 22 one on ones he has missed. You could be right, I'd like to see this fact people keep mentioning.
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Jet has

And JET is in a quality league all of his own as we know

The difference is Baldock is never a passenger. You could argue that if JET could gee himself up for every game, rather than every other game, we'd be clear of danger.

The bottom line is even the worlds best strikers miss chances. Baldock is far from that, but a return of 20 league goals, at any level, is considered an excellent return, and he is well on course for that.

If we were mid table this would be a non issue. But it's a lot easier for the unintelligent fan to jump on a striker for missing a chance than being able to recognise the defensive mistakes that lead to chances conceded

Make no mistake, it is our goals conceded that have us in the drop zone, not our lack of goals scored.

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Jet 18 goals

Baldock 14 goals

So far.

How is this so difficult

I've never said JETS goal scoring hasn't been impressive. But frankly right now with our league position I couldn't care less about JPT or cup goals.

You can't expect a striker at any level to get more than 20. If we'd kept more out at the other end we wouldn't be where we are.

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I am not sure that is entirely fair.

It is being said he has missed 22. I have not counted them, but Its not really 0/22 is it - more like 6/28 or something.

For most forwards, I supect their scoring rate on a sample comprised solely of misses is not that great..

The frustrating thing with Baldock is every time he finds himself in a one on one situation, he just does the same thing and blasts the ball straight at the keeper.  

 

You'd think he'd occasionally try to dummy the keeper and put it to his wrong side.  Any keeper watching SB will know you just need to stand your ground and he'll hit the ball straight at you!

 

Sam is still our joint leading scorer, but with a little composure, he could have been leading the whole division. 

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definitely two points dropped today. JET missed an open goal today as well as baldock missing a sitter and 2 one on ones, yet he comes away looking like he saved us. Should of battered MK Dons today.

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And JET is in a quality league all of his own as we know

The difference is Baldock is never a passenger. You could argue that if JET could gee himself up for every game, rather than every other game, we'd be clear of danger.

The bottom line is even the worlds best strikers miss chances. Baldock is far from that, but a return of 20 league goals, at any level, is considered an excellent return, and he is well on course for that.

If we were mid table this would be a non issue. But it's a lot easier for the unintelligent fan to jump on a striker for missing a chance than being able to recognise the defensive mistakes that lead to chances conceded

Make no mistake, it is our goals conceded that have us in the drop zone, not our lack of goals scored.

And yet our defence is the best of the teams around us, our problem hasn't been losing games this season (we have lost less games than peterboro), more that we have drawn too many because we aren't turning them into wins. Strikers not taking chances.

Defence has been improved in centre weeks with two new centre Halfs who will improve when they all know each other better, yet as today showed YET AGIN certain players aren't taking their chances.

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And yet our defence is the best of the teams around us, our problem hasn't been losing games this season (we have lost less games than peterboro), more that we have drawn too many because we aren't turning them into wins. Strikers not taking chances.

Defence has been improved in centre weeks with two new centre Halfs who will improve when they all know each other better, yet as today showed YET AGIN certain players aren't taking their chances.

Partially correct in that we have drawn far too many, but the fact that only 5 teams out of 17 outside of the playoffs have scored more than us tells you that of those games, we have drawn them because of conceding too many, not scoring too few.

However we are making slow progress. Osborne and El Abd add more solidity and let's just hope we can stop shipping so many goals. Today was a perfect example. Very soft defending for both goals. We could and should have kept a clean sheet today if we'd have eradicated the simple defensive errors.

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That is what I am thinking. But so many seem to take it as fact. I want to see the proof.

No idea where 22 has come from, but prior to today Baldock has had

12 goals

36 shots on target.

I'd be suprised if 22 was accurate

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No idea where 22 has come from, but prior to today Baldock has had

12 goals

36 shots on target.

I'd be suprised if 22 was accurate

It can't be 22 one on ones, that would be insane!

Must dash now, it's been a blast.

Let's not forget that we're all frustrated and we all just want what's best for our club. Opinions differ and passions run high, but we are all wanting success for our club.

Better days ahead. Hopefully.

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http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalShooting/0,,10794~201325,00.html

Those numbers aren't quite up to date (I think mid December).

Note how few players taking that many shots have more on target than off target.

Also interesting how many additional chances the players who have scored more have.

I'd like to see the facts and figures supporting the idea that Baldock isn't very good, because these aren't them.

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My last word on this as other things to do, but agree with the post above that he needs to learn a litle more variation with just the goalie to beat.

Two games against Mk, scored two in each, could have won or lost both games easily, he missed most likely his easiest chance in both. In a microcosm, Mk sum up our season so far.

Not sure what that says! Equally they missed at least one on one that we put down to decent saves.

Equally, if we had been told he would score twice today before the game, would we have taken that, regardless of how many chances it took? I suspect so.

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http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalShooting/0,,10794~201325,00.html

Those numbers aren't quite up to date (I think mid December).

Note how few players taking that many shots have more on target than off target.

Also interesting how many additional chances the players who have scored more have.

I'd like to see the facts and figures supporting the idea that Baldock isn't very good, because these aren't them.

More on target and less off than Assombalonga.

Tidy.

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Does it need to be "team Sam" or "team Jet"?

 

Both have strengths and weaknesses but ultimately both play for the ONE TEAM! (see what I did there!).

 

Both are a good bet to finish the season with 25 goals each. Someone asked the question last week when was the last time two of our strikers did that in the same season?

 

Given how rare it is it's a shame we can't enjoy both of them.

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My last word on this as other things to do, but agree with the post above that he needs to learn a litle more variation with just the goalie to beat.

Two games against Mk, scored two in each, could have won or lost both games easily, he missed most likely his easiest chance in both. In a microcosm, Mk sum up our season so far.

Not sure what that says! Equally they missed at least one on one that we put down to decent saves.

Equally, if we had been told he would score twice today before the game, would we have taken that, regardless of how many chances it took? I suspect so.

Good perspective on it. People think Sam misses clear chances, but what about that free header they had in the first half. Now that was a chance!

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Does it need to be "team Sam" or "team Jet"?

Both have strengths and weaknesses but ultimately both play for the ONE TEAM! (see what I did there!).

Both are a good bet to finish the season with 25 goals each. Someone asked the question last week when was the last time two of our strikers did that in the same season?

Given how rare it is it's a shame we can't enjoy both of them.

Spot on. Funny how people say they're a poor partnership (and in a way they are a bit like the odd couple!) but between them could have 45+ league goals at the end of the season!

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No idea where 22 has come from, but prior to today Baldock has had

12 goals

36 shots on target.

I'd be suprised if 22 was accurate

That is good to know as so many people are stating as fact Baldock has missed 22 one on ones

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Baldock has had 38 shots on goal scoring 15 meaning 23 shots haven't gone in are you telling me 22 if those are 1 on 1?

Dunno that is the question I am asking. People seem to be saying he has missed 22 one on ones. I want to know where they are getting these facts from. 38 shots is completely different to 22 one on ones
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It was on here the other day it was 20 missed 1 on 1s.

No one seems to be backing it up thougj. Yet plenty are referring to it. Even on radio.

It seems to have become a truth to hang baldock with.

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http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalShooting/0,,10794~201325,00.html

Those numbers aren't quite up to date (I think mid December).

Note how few players taking that many shots have more on target than off target.

Also interesting how many additional chances the players who have scored more have.

I'd like to see the facts and figures supporting the idea that Baldock isn't very good, because these aren't them.

He never hits off target because it always goes straight at the keeper!!

It's the timing of the misses as well, 3 today that could've wrapped the game up inside 20 mins but no, We struggled and scraped a draw. ITS NOT JUST TODAY THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED

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No one seems to be backing it up thougj. Yet plenty are referring to it. Even on radio.

It seems to have become a truth to hang baldock with.

If I could be bothered I would go back through player!! However I can't so for that reason I will stop quoting that number until it's proven.

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One of the few games I've missed this season but Baldock's day sounded a bit like Jet at Carlisle, hopeless for the first half but great second half.

 

Might be wrong though as I only watched it on twitter Geoff!!

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I've seen that Louis Suarez take loads of shots that don't go in, the wasteful bugger.

 

 

I am stunned people are knocking him, its so frustrating.  He is there to score goals, he is scoring goals, yet, people still want to moan and knock him.  Take him out of the squad and we lose almost 50% of our goals!!! Who else is scoring apart from him and JET?  Its like some City fans are like a dog with a bone and can't let the subject drop due to losing face.   So what he misses chances, he is scoring goals, and that what he is doing!!! 

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If I could be bothered I would go back through player!! However I can't so for that reason I will stop quoting that number until it's proven.

Righto you can't be bothered. But are willing to let the player take a load of shit for it. To such an extent that people are phoning up radio stations stating it as fact. So maybe you should list them maybe the flack can then be justified?!
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Very much reminds me of Tony Thorpe.

For me Thorpe was a good finisher. Cool in one on one situations if my memory serves me well. As for Baldock, it's good that he is getting into these positions. 14 is a good return at this point in the season( I know it could be doubled!). For the last few years I've watched city struggle to create anything, so at least that is a step in the right direction.

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I am stunned people are knocking him, its so frustrating. He is there to score goals, he is scoring goals, yet, people still want to moan and knock him. Take him out of the squad and we lose almost 50% of our goals!!! Who else is scoring apart from him and JET? Its like some City fans are like a dog with a bone and can't let the subject drop due to losing face. So what he misses chances, he is scoring goals, and that what he is doing!!!

Take him out of the squad and we are playing with 10 men by your logic.
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I am stunned people are knocking him, its so frustrating. He is there to score goals, he is scoring goals, yet, people still want to moan and knock him. Take him out of the squad and we lose almost 50% of our goals!!! Who else is scoring apart from him and JET? Its like some City fans are like a dog with a bone and can't let the subject drop due to losing face. So what he misses chances, he is scoring goals, and that what he is doing!!!

Don't you know, we're the mighty Bristol City. Our strikers should score 75 a season and we should at least be competing for the Europa League!

Funny, someone was chanting 'you have no history' to the MK Dons fans and someone shouted back 'so what, we have 120 years of **** all'

Made I larf!

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Don't you know, we're the mighty Bristol City. Our strikers should score 75 a season and we should at least be competing for the Europa League!

Funny, someone was chanting 'you have no history' to the MK Dons fans and someone shouted back 'so what, we have 120 years of **** all'

Made I larf!

:laugh: so very true

I keep getting the same at work. Swindon fans saying we are shite, me giving some back. Then the killer. Ever been in the premiership ever won a major domestic cup?

And as much as they are scummy pig towners, there is no real getting away from that fact. I just have to be happy knowing I don't have to live in their town!

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Today we could've been 3 up and shut up shop inside 20 mins! These missed chances cost us massively and everyone knew what was going to happen especially after the header

So it wasn't the non existent defending for the two goals that cost us today? We shouldn't have to rely on scoring three to win, especially at home.

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