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Nogbad the Bad

Nogbad the Bad

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I'll stick my neck out and say that Cotterill doesn't have personality.  He has bluff and bluster and very little substance.

 

And I will stand by that.

 

I don't know, but bluff and bluster may just be enough to inspire the players to fight for this club whereas someone sniffing miserably and bigging up our opponents looked very unlikely too.

 

Suggest we revisit this ' lack of personality' business you've picked up on at the end of the season, because he'll certainly have to display one to the players to keep this City side up.

 

As a fan, and for what it's worth my observation is he seems to have 10x the positivity, and personality of his predecessor.

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You know I can never watch sober mate!! :drunk2:

 

I will agree that the games v Stevenage & MK Dons were both entertaining.  But so was the home game v Bradford, and the one v Orient, and the one away at Cov.  All very entertaining games I thought.  And the one away at MK.  And away at Carlisle.

The 2 games this week seem to have been entertaining more for the fact that the opposition were much better than us and could score at will.

 

Any entertainment under O'Negative was in spite, not because of him.

 

I'll see you with the games you mention and raise you with the home games against Shrewsbury, Colchester, Sheff Utd, Brentford, Crawley, all of which were dire. The home games against Oldham, Peterborough, Bradford and Wolves were entertaining purely because the opposition played decent football and we didn't.

 

 I personally don't want bollocks about how it will take 5 years to learn how to be a club playing the right way, I could be dead by then. O'Dozy was sending this club to sleep and I cannot fathom how anybody could defend him!!

 

The ball is now being zipped around under Cotterill with purpose. Whether its bluff and purpose, at least the bloke is having a go.

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The football in general has not been much better. If you compare the 2 MK Dons games, there was little difference in quality and perhaps we deserved to win more in the away game.

 

Tonight was pretty poor. Barnett missed a good chance when we were at 1-1 but after they got the 2nd it was a shocker from City. Don't think we created another chance all evening. Yes we were playing top of the league but to play so poorly was disappointing. At least make it tough for them.

 

I think Cotterill was saving JET for Saturday - big gamble that needs to pay off. I didn't like the guy before I came and haven't seen much from him so far to suggest he will be good long term for us but happy to be proved wrong. We swapped managers at a crazy time and I can't see that it has helped us much.

 

The signing of El Abd was pointless especially when the defence looked more solid. Now it looks terrible again.

 

If we don't win Saturday then I think we are pretty much down - will be a long long way back anyway especially when you aren't winning games very often...

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The football in general has not been much better. If you compare the 2 MK Dons games, there was little difference in quality and perhaps we deserved to win more in the away game.

 

Tonight was pretty poor. Barnett missed a good chance when we were at 1-1 but after they got the 2nd it was a shocker from City. Don't think we created another chance all evening. Yes we were playing top of the league but to play so poorly was disappointing. At least make it tough for them.

 

I think Cotterill was saving JET for Saturday - big gamble that needs to pay off. I didn't like the guy before I came and haven't seen much from him so far to suggest he will be good long term for us but happy to be proved wrong. We swapped managers at a crazy time and I can't see that it has helped us much.

 

The signing of El Abd was pointless especially when the defence looked more solid. Now it looks terrible again.

 

If we don't win Saturday then I think we are pretty much down - will be a long long way back anyway especially when you aren't winning games very often...

Thanks for the assessment Alex.

 

Out of interest; was El Abd actively bad, or simply part of a problematic whole?

 

My concern is that not only has he thrown the equilibrium out but that he, individually, isn't beginning to show any quality.

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Taylor10

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Right here's my take from tonight's game.

We actually started the game ok. For the first 15 we were on top but after it went downhill fast. The rest of the game was a non event. So poor.

Interesting team selection. Yes Osbourne scored but why square pegs in round holes from the start at RWB again? Scored a great goal to be fair.

Flint will get slaughtered for the OG but I wouldn't blame him. Shortly before he dealt with a ball very similar that Parish should have come and claimed, but no, as is always the case rooted to his line. 5mins later cross comes in, Flint can't trust him, tries to deal with it....disaster. We seriously need another keeper if Fielding is not worth another go. Parish just can't be trusted.

3 incredibly weak goals conceded again tonight and we just couldn't live with Brentford's movement. At first I thought we looked solid in a 3-5-2 under SC but we have looked anything but now the honeymoon period is over. I think El-Abd is the type of defender and character we have needed for a long time but I just don't believe he can play on either side of a back 3. He was absolutely carved to shreds first half. Admittedly Osbourne going off injured didn't help him out at all (even though he shouldn't be RWB) but time after time Brentford got in behind El-Abd and caused us an awful lot of problems down that side of the pitch. For me El-Abd either needs to play in the centre of a back 3, or as one of only 2 centre halfs, so that the full backs can tuck round and cover. I'm sure he will be a good signing for us but so far he has been horribly exposed when either side of a back 3.

For all those calling for JET to be dropped in favour of Barnett....seriously get real. This was apparently because Barnett would be 'hungry' or have a 'point to prove'....all based on a few non existing sub appearances and he's suddenly deemed fit to start over our main man? I suggest you pay a bit more attention in the future, because tonight you got your wish and it didn't work at all. I accept he's short on match practice and when fit will be a good addition but as a pair Barnett and Baldock were never even close enough. SC must have been watching a different game to me, he said Barnett 'worked his socks off for 90mins'....ummmm well Steve if that's work rate then it makes JET look like he has the work rate of Roy Keane in his prime. Barnett couldn't trap a bag of cement tonight and at 1-1 missed an absolutely glaring opportunity. He won a few good headers but hold up play very poor and didn't take any pressure off of us when needed.

The only player that can come out with any kind of credit was Marv. Purely on effort, nothing more. To be fair to Flint as well he never gave up.

Had we kept it at 2-1 until HT we may have had a chance but as per silly mistakes. The second half was gutless and as bad as I've seen all season. Absolutely no fight what so ever and apart from a snap shot from Barnett created nothing.

What worries me most is under SC I didn't think we would be so gutless and lacking fight. Hope tonight and Wolves are a one off. I personally don't buy the whole bollocks of....'oh well what did you expect' or we were 'never going to win' it doesn't excuse that tonight. We need to buck up our ideas and fast.

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Right here's my take from tonight's game.

We actually started the game ok. For the first 15 we were on top but after it went downhill fast. The rest of the game was a non event. So poor.

Interesting team selection. Yes Osbourne scored but why square pegs in round holes from the start at RWB again? Scored a great goal to be fair.

Flint will get slaughtered for the OG but I wouldn't blame him. Shortly before he dealt with a ball very similar that Parish should have come and claimed, but no, as is always the case rooted to his line. 5mins later cross comes in, Flint can't trust him, tries to deal with it....disaster. We seriously need another keeper if Fielding is not worth another go. Parish just can't be trusted.

3 incredibly weak goals conceded again tonight and we just couldn't live with Brentford's movement. At first I thought we looked solid in a 3-5-2 under SC but we have looked anything but now the honeymoon period is over. I think El-Abd is the type of defender and character we have needed for a long time but I just don't believe he can play on either side of a back 3. He was absolutely carved to shreds first half. Admittedly Osbourne going off injured didn't help him out at all (even though he shouldn't be RWB) but time after time Brentford got in behind El-Abd and caused us an awful lot of problems down that side of the pitch. For me El-Abd either needs to play in the centre of a back 3, or as one of only 2 centre halfs, so that the full backs can tuck round and cover. I'm sure he will be a good signing for us but so far he has been horribly exposed when either side of a back 3.

For all those calling for JET to be dropped in favour of Barnett....seriously get real. This was apparently because Barnett would be 'hungry' or have a 'point to prove'....all based on a few non existing sub appearances and he's suddenly deemed fit to start over our main man? I suggest you pay a bit more attention in the future, because tonight you got your wish and it didn't work at all. I accept he's short on match practice and when fit will be a good addition but as a pair Barnett and Baldock were never even close enough. SC must have been watching a different game to me, he said Barnett 'worked his socks off for 90mins'....ummmm well Steve if that's work rate then it makes JET look like he has the work rate of Roy Keane in his prime. Barnett couldn't trap a bag of cement tonight and at 1-1 missed an absolutely glaring opportunity. He won a few good headers but hold up play very poor and didn't take any pressure off of us when needed.

The only player that can come out with any kind of credit was Marv. Purely on effort, nothing more.

Had we kept it at 2-1 until HT we may have had a chance but as per silly mistakes. The second half was gutless and as bad as I've seen all season. Absolutely no fight what so ever and apart from a snap shot from Barnett created nothing.

What worries me most is under SC I didn't think we would be so gutless and lacking fight. Hope tonight and Wolves are a one off. I personally don't buy the whole bollocks of....'oh well what did you expect' or we were 'never going to win' it doesn't excuse that tonight. We need to buck up our ideas and fast.

 

Excellent post and I agree with everything you have said.

 

However, the opening goal wasn't Flint's or Parish's fault as it was actually mine! Just after successfully clearing the one beforehand that you mention I decided it was a good idea to pipe up with 'at least Flint has stopped scoring own goals'. So yeah, egg on mine and I take responsibility for the own goal. Sorry everyone.

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Excellent post and I agree with everything you have said.

However, the opening goal wasn't Flint's or Parish's fault as it was actually mine! Just after successfully clearing the one beforehand that you mention I decided it was a good idea to pipe up with 'at least Flint has stopped scoring own goals'. So yeah, egg on mine and I take responsibility for the own goal. Sorry everyone.

Haha good honesty mate. We've all done it.

Even if he didn't nudge it past Parish we would have more than likely gone onto get beat.

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remember Brian Clough he always started his teams from the goalie and then worked forward that was why be got shilton in who was then England goalie we've had some brilliant keepers and have let them go look at where some of our recent goalies are now

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Cashley wasn't a brilliant keeper but is one of the few who has scored a goal from a kick inside his own box and at that time the whole team worked together at the moment there is a culture of  too much panic within the defence no one trusts each to give a controlled pass to let our midfield get on with their job and this is not  a dig at S C  its been going on for at least 2 if not 3 seasons how many clean sheets have we kept over that time ? Not many we walk out of A G  with a good feeling if we have and that hasn't been many

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Don't agree.

If we're unable to beat teams we previously have, even with the added advantage of being at home and a transfer window to strengthen sine, then we are clearly a worse team.

Not sure where the confusion is there.

In August we conceded two to Bradford, but a few weeks ago, away from home, they were restricted to just one goal.

Our defence must have improved therefore....

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In August we conceded two to Bradford, but a few weeks ago, away from home, they were restricted to just one goal.

Our defence must have improved therefore....

Same result in terms of points though, wasn't it?  And that was my point about the next game; we need to beat teams we've already beaten if we expect to get out of this mess.  Losing or drawing to Carlisle, one of just four teams we've got wins against, is a sign we are not improving.

 

In fact, of the teams we've played twice, using your same 'reasoning' we have actually done worse;

 

Bradford = 2-2 then 1-1 (though brilliantly improved defensive performance there...)

 

MK Dons = 2-2 then 2-2 (and in the first fixture we took the lead twice; second time we went 2 nil down) 

 

Wolves = 2-1 then 3-1

 

Brentford = 2-1 then 3-1

 

Conceded more, scored less, (albeit one either way) but most importantly; no extra points.

 

So, yeah; not sure you could say we've improved by that reckoning.

 

But sniping that not beating Carlisle means naff all is stupid in a good number of ways; primarily that if we don't start picking up maximum points from our remaining home games, that is a pretty bright warning light flashing that we've no right getting out of this mess.

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