redpole Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Do we have a group at the gate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Do we have a group at the gate? no but we do have a group on Ninja's when ever there is trouble at rovers its started by the city fans but none are ever arrested or seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray White Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Do we have a group at the gate? Thankfully not otherwise we'd look as lame as the Palarse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redpole Posted May 7, 2014 Author Share Posted May 7, 2014 :laugh:... Ive just been reading about palace ultras and how they started up after lack of atmosphere at their ground and also how they hated modern football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Not aware of Ultras, but there is a group called The CSF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Not aware of Ultras, but there is a group called The CSF. City Sandwich Firm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Thankfully not otherwise we'd look as lame as the Palarse. Don't know why so many are decrying the set up Palace fans have adopted. It's exactly the same as the fans do in Germany, Italy, Poland... And all I ever hear about is how much better the atmosphere is there. I guess they're allowed to stand up though, so that must be it. No pleasing some folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redpole Posted May 7, 2014 Author Share Posted May 7, 2014 Was reading about ultras in Italy,Serbia,Holland,Poland etc not just palace ultras, only mentioned palace as they are the only ones I know in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Don't know why so many are decrying the set up Palace fans have adopted. It's exactly the same as the fans do in Germany, Italy, Poland... And all I ever hear about is how much better the atmosphere is there. I guess they're allowed to stand up though, so that must be it. No pleasing some folks This. It is embarrassing for us to criticise. They have fantastic support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 There's a group of OAPs in the Dolman who get a bit annoyed if they're woken up by too much singing from the Wedlock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Don't understand the hate towards the Palarse fans, at least they are creating an atmosphere. Rather that than being at Stamford Bridge where you get handed a plastic clapper by a steward on your way in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Don't understand the hate towards the Palarse fans, at least they are creating an atmosphere. Rather that than being at Stamford Bridge where you get handed a plastic clapper by a steward on your way in... Some people have short memories.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Some people have short memories.. Please enlighten me sir... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray White Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Don't know why so many are decrying the set up Palace fans have adopted. It's exactly the same as the fans do in Germany, Italy, Poland... And all I ever hear about is how much better the atmosphere is there. I guess they're allowed to stand up though, so that must be it. No pleasing some folks I'm simply of the opinion that in my mind Ultras only exist on the continent. Ultras have only ever existed in the countries you have mentioned (and others) and I dislike the fact that Palace like to think they too are ultras when they just regurgitate that crappy follow chant. British football has never had groups of ultras (think Aberdeen were the first to try) and as I said in my head they are just fans who like to have a sing song. It's like teams that do the Poznan ffs, it's just something nicked off another team and it's cringe worthy. What I will say though is that I admire the atmosphere they create (very beneficial for the team) and I wish it was the same at AG but why give yourselves that ridiculous moniker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 I'm simply of the opinion that in my mind Ultras only exist on the continent. Ultras have only ever existed in the countries you have mentioned (and others) and I dislike the fact that Palace like to think they too are ultras when they just regurgitate that crappy follow chant. British football has never had groups of ultras (think Aberdeen were the first to try) and as I said in my head they are just fans who like to have a sing song. It's like teams that do the Poznan ffs, it's just something nicked off another team and it's cringe worthy. What I will say though is that I admire the atmosphere they create (very beneficial for the team) and I wish it was the same at AG but why give yourselves that ridiculous moniker? Whether they should use the 'Ultras' tag is another matter. To be honest, as much as it's associated with hardcore fans it's also associated with hardcore football violence so I don't know whether I'd want 'Ultras' at Ashton Gate. But at least Palace are making an effort (and succeeding) to create atmosphere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 I'm simply of the opinion that in my mind Ultras only exist on the continent. Ultras have only ever existed in the countries you have mentioned (and others) and I dislike the fact that Palace like to think they too are ultras when they just regurgitate that crappy follow chant. British football has never had groups of ultras (think Aberdeen were the first to try) and as I said in my head they are just fans who like to have a sing song. It's like teams that do the Poznan ffs, it's just something nicked off another team and it's cringe worthy. What I will say though is that I admire the atmosphere they create (very beneficial for the team) and I wish it was the same at AG but why give yourselves that ridiculous moniker? The origins of Ultra culture are linked to the UK and fans from Milan impression of the Kop. I agree that muck savages getting themselves organised and doing things is a waste of time. A better use of time is blowing air out of ones arse on forums .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Please enlighten me sir... Their fans on here and twitter taking the piss about the Bolasie transfer. After the goal that never was.. The Play Offs, sore losers is an understatement. I was personally threatened by a bloke after the game at Selhurst, I was only 14/15 at the time. Just a horrible bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Ultra violence. Milan: Unleash hell. Tifosi wave those flags like you have never waved before. Lazio: You will tremble at the sight of our surfer. Milan: Raise the two sticks. Lazio: Drummers call for the BALLOONS. Milan: Pahhhhh .. We will block out the sun with our streamers. Lazio: We are left with no choice but turn on the siren on the megaphone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 And you get to shoot other football fans with real bullets..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Don't Ultras get involved in the political running of clubs? So doubt they're strictly Ultra even though they've got politically involved in one element of the club (the atmosphere), much like the East End Movement ten or so years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Ultra violence. Milan: Unleash hell. Tifosi wave those flags like you have never waved before. Lazio: You will tremble at the sight of our surfer. Milan: Raise the two sticks. Lazio: Drummers call for the BALLOONS. Milan: Pahhhhh .. We will block out the sun with our streamers. Lazio: We are left with no choice but turn on the siren on the megaphone. Like football-shirted kittens they are...http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/05/juventus-scudetto-hat-trick-violence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Like football-shirted kittens they are...http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/05/juventus-scudetto-hat-trick-violence Anybody who takes their belt off to have a tear up is a real pussie ... Geddit. Its just Lazy. Just like saying all football fans are violent. Ultra is a SUPPORTING culture not a firm related one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Their fans on here and twitter taking the piss about the Bolasie transfer. After the goal that never was.. The Play Offs, sore losers is an understatement. I was personally threatened by a bloke after the game at Selhurst, I was only 14/15 at the time. Just a horrible bunch. What has that got to do with them having great support at Selhurst? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redpole Posted May 7, 2014 Author Share Posted May 7, 2014 Ultras are not firm related!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Anybody who takes their belt off to have a tear up is a real pussie ... Geddit. Its just Lazy. Just like saying all football fans are violent. Ultra is a SUPPORTING culture not a firm related one. A pint and a fight is the purrrrrrr-fect day out at the football! I agree that the media like to brand any Italian football violence as 'Ultra' but at the same time the wealth of evidence shows that Ultras are steeped in violence and organised crime. That's not to say we can't adopt the 'healthier' parts of their supporter culture, but it shouldn't be ignored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Anybody who takes their belt off to have a tear up is a real pussie ... Geddit. Its just Lazy. Just like saying all football fans are violent. Ultra is a SUPPORTING culture not a firm related one. Ultras have had loads of bad press not just the artical quoted by Chip to be fair, I hate palace fans but admire the atmosphere they created this season, but we've already done that to varing degrees with in the east end but keep getting shut down by the health and safety, Anyway why should we copy another clubs culture we should be creating our own unique one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 A pint and a fight is the purrrrrrr-fect day out at the football! I agree that the media like to brand any Italian football violence as 'Ultra' but at the same time the wealth of evidence shows that Ultras are steeped in violence and organised crime. That's not to say we can't adopt the 'healthier' parts of their supporter culture, but it shouldn't be ignored Ultras are steeped in violence and organised crime. Naples then. Church bells should ring when the penny drops what that City is famous for. The English disease ahem , ahem ... Lazio had thousands in one group. The non league vermin cause more problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Ultras are steeped in violence and organised crime. Naples then. Church bells should ring when the penny drops what that City is famous for. The English disease ahem , ahem ... Lazio had thousands in one group. The non league vermin cause more problems. What relevance does the origin of the association have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall King Blox Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 at the same play off game in the concourse home and away fans are separated by a fence, a palace fan pulled up his trouser leg and showed me a knife strapped to his leg. Absolutely shat myself. Yea........Heard they had awful legs..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Ultras or Fans ( Fanatics ) differ from Country to Country. In this Country it is generally to create a fantastic atmosphere at the ground. Abroad it takes on a whole new meaning. Ultras groups are sometimes associated with politics, right-wing and left-wing. Issues such as racism, anti-racism, nationalism or anti-capitalism are present. Plus banners, chants and demos are often shown in relation to problems within the local community...and often against the Police. Some even influence and have a say on how the Club are run. Lazio have been one of those in the past...although the Club have now turned their back on them. I've watched football regularly in Italy, and you can often find yourself watching the fans rather than the game itself. I can't ever see this happening at Palace... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Nu6HKVSmk http://youtu.be/L_Nu6HKVSmk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 York City Ultras all day fam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ferret Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Their fans on here and twitter taking the piss about the Bolasie transfer. After the goal that never was.. The Play Offs, sore losers is an understatement. I was personally threatened by a bloke after the game at Selhurst, I was only 14/15 at the time. Just a horrible bunch. so what, who cares? we are talking about support and atmosphere at football grounds, not the fact that Crystal Palace took Bolasie off our hands because we wouldn't play him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redpole Posted May 7, 2014 Author Share Posted May 7, 2014 I see ultras are named after stand,area of ground,something to do with Club. We should be called AG8 ultras! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ferret Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 I think you will find Palace fans copied what we hsd going on in the EE. I don't think so The East End has never put on displays like this...wish we would though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Due to "different" health and safety affecting Ashton Gate Bristol City fans would not be allowed to do anything like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forza Revolution Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 H block ? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redpole Posted May 7, 2014 Author Share Posted May 7, 2014 Would love to see a load of made up flags and banners like this in block E of Williams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 so what, who cares? we are talking about support and atmosphere at football grounds, not the fact that Crystal Palace took Bolasie off our hands because we wouldn't play him I was quoting James about Palace fans, not the support they give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Do the Palace fans have a designated yellow box where they can wave flags though, that's how we roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 We don't really have an end of the ground! Some games we barely have a block in the east end!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZepperin Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 There was a time when England exported football managers, terrace culture and the occasional player. How times have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted May 8, 2014 Admin Share Posted May 8, 2014 Their fans on here and twitter taking the piss about the Bolasie transfer. After the goal that never was.. The Play Offs, sore losers is an understatement. I was personally threatened by a bloke after the game at Selhurst, I was only 14/15 at the time. Just a horrible bunch. Just the same as any other side basically. Always been a bit "firey" at Selhurst Park - just one of those things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted May 8, 2014 Admin Share Posted May 8, 2014 I think you will find Palace fans copied what we hsd going on in the EE. It's interesting that you say that, as I was talking with some friends about the Palace fans, and I'm sure that they started their group after coming to AG8 and saying what a great atmosphere there was in the EE. Maybe the play off game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 And you get to shoot other football fans with real bullets..... And then stab another to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 They copied the EE? The same EE that stand for most the game in silence? Hasn't been loud like it used to be for years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 We don't really have an end of the ground! Some games we barely have a block in the east end!!! Yes we do it's called the Ateyo. Slightly different kind of clientele in that part of the ground though mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted May 8, 2014 Admin Share Posted May 8, 2014 They copied the EE? The same EE that stand for most the game in silence? Hasn't been loud like it used to be for years now. Years ago, not as it is now - think back to the play off season in the Championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Years ago, not as it is now - think back to the play off season in the Championship Yep that was decent to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 What relevance does the origin of the association have? The origin of Ultra is not violence. I quite like reading. In football journalist boffin books by Goldblatt and Kuper there be in depth analysis of football culture. Being a groudhopping euro derby slut and being in the field to witness first hand tifo v tifo its crystal that ultra cultures are not very violent. Back to books. The Casusal cultures of Britain and the Netherlands statistically are more violent than flag wavers. Obvious really hooligans don't go to rows trailing a hundred feet of flag and with giant drums!! Millwall at their peak on their own committed more foul naughtiness than entire national leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray White Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Years ago, not as it is now - think back to the play off season in the Championship Ah memories...really hoping when the new stand is built we can recreate this sort of atmosphere again. There can be no doubt that it helped the players to perform better, our home record that season was excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 The origin of Ultra is not violence. I quite like reading. In football journalist boffin books by Goldblatt and Kuper there be in depth analysis of football culture. Being a groudhopping euro derby slut and being in the field to witness first hand tifo v tifo its crystal that ultra cultures are not very violent. Back to books. The Casusal cultures of Britain and the Netherlands statistically are more violent than flag wavers. Obvious really hooligans don't go to rows trailing a hundred feet of flag and with giant drums!! Millwall at their peak on their own committed more foul naughtiness than entire national leagues. I'm not disputing that, but the culture is associated with violence now. Not every 'Ultra' is a violent thug, but every violent thug seems to be an Ultra. Regardless of truth, my original point is that there is an ASSOCIATION between Ultras and violence, be that in reality or in the press or in the perception of people who've read about it in the news or in books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted May 8, 2014 Admin Share Posted May 8, 2014 I'm not disputing that, but the culture is associated with violence now. Not every 'Ultra' is a violent thug, but every violent thug seems to be an Ultra. Regardless of truth, my original point is that there is an ASSOCIATION between Ultras and violence, be that in reality or in the press or in the perception of people who've read about it in the news or in books I would have disagree with your original sentance, but completely agree with the last sentance It is all about perception - there was a similar thought about "Forza" groups once, but that has been dispelled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I'm not disputing that, but the culture is associated with violence now. Not every 'Ultra' is a violent thug, but every violent thug seems to be an Ultra. Regardless of truth, my original point is that there is an ASSOCIATION between Ultras and violence, be that in reality or in the press or in the perception of people who've read about it in the news or in books Dummies believe that sort of coverage. Same as they believe the Daily Mail when they are told tens of thousands of swooping and screeching tea leafing immigrants are swimming across the channel each day to blag off the NHS. Ultra is global. Ultra is welcome at thousands of clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Dummies believe that sort of coverage. Same as they believe the Daily Mail when they are told tens of thousands of swooping and screeching tea leafing immigrants are swimming across the channel each day to blag off the NHS. Ultra is global. Ultra is welcome at thousands of clubs. Dummies don't read the posts they're responding too either Fine; you believe that everyone associated with or describing themselves as 'Ultra' is a flag waving, drum-banging good-guy without a violent bone in their body, while I will choose to believe the wealth of evidence (google 'Ultra football violence' and select the 'news function) that suggest that violence and organised crime are an inseparable part of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted May 8, 2014 Admin Share Posted May 8, 2014 Dummies don't read the posts they're responding too either Fine; you believe that everyone associated with or describing themselves as 'Ultra' is a flag waving, drum-banging good-guy without a violent bone in their body, while I will choose to believe the wealth of evidence (google 'Ultra football violence' and select the 'news function) that suggest that violence and organised crime are an inseparable part of it Expect you could replace the word "ultra" with supporter and do a search and get as much footage West Ham Ultra West Ham Supporter It's as bad as tarring all football fans as hooligans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave L Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 From the club's point of view, we are always approachable with any ideas you have to help create a better atmosphere at Ashton Gate and will support any practical suggestions. I am not aware that any of our 'Forza' fans or others have organised links with far-right or hooligan groups. If that were ever the case, our support would be withdrawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redpole Posted May 8, 2014 Author Share Posted May 8, 2014 So that mean the club will fund some flags and banners designed by fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City fan 1982 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 for me, in foreign football ultra has darker connotations, links to far right groups, and try to have influence over club policy, however in the uk , fans groups have picked up on the flag waving, non stop singing and backing of the team , and tifo displays. good to see some flags on display ..sometimes!! would like it if the club were more helpful with things like this, quite often they say were behind you but then say you have to stand in a yellow box, radio up to control, have a fire safety certificate for a flag ! looking at palace they have flags on sticks, can the club get behind a get vocal campaign to increase the noise at the gate, no swear words !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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