hortonred Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 7 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Agreed but I also expected a defeat last week. Two defeats in eight or (nine?) before today suggests to me he isn't in immediate danger but in a league where pretty much everyone can beat everyone, we need to stay in contention until January, which despite the pessimists on here, will be when our fate is decided on the basis on what business we do, I feel. If our fate is to be decided on the basis of our skill in the transfer market then are fate is sealed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 2 minutes ago, GrahamC said: But not that long ago you were posting about us having enough quality with last season's players (plus Kodjia) to finish half way.. This league is tough, we are usually competing (though admittedly not today) with teams who have better players on far more money and with much greater budgets. I also don't believe for a minute Cotterill expected us to make just two permanent signings this summer. Face the facts we are a small fish and are in a real fight to stay up and that nonsense from Freeman midweek (perhaps he should concentrate on making a greater contribution to games once in a while?) is best ignored. That having said we aren't rock bottom, either and so need to stay in the game until the window opens and we can evaluate what we can get and afford. I did believe that. Now I think SC is just a good coach. Think he sets us up right most of the time. Today maybe he thought we had the quality to beat Rotherham by going at them. We are higher in the table, he probably should. Talent wise we have to be close to bottom. It may not come across like this but I'm ok with being small fish. Bidding 6-9m on players isn't what a small fish does. The club said we don't want to be a poor side then didn't get the job done. When they failed, the didn't take action. It went from bidding on players, to our squad from last year is good enough to compete, to we need 15 or so games to settle, and now we are at 18 games and getting throttled by Rotherham. My optimism is gone. We are a poor side and will do well to stay up. I want you faithful to say you told me so on game 46 and we are sitting 10th or something but I simply can't expect that from this team now. Before today I thought we could get 7 from our next 9 points. Now I think we'll do well to get 2. Ar least this time next week I could be sitting smug and satisfied we got a point against Blackburn. Whereas I would've been expecting 3 and disappointed. I want to stay up but feel like we will only because other teams could be poorer. I expect more of the same. A point here, an away win there but for the most part a struggle to get anything most weeks. Only positive I have is that we will play most of the teams around us at home later in the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest john shaw number 1 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 At the end of the of the day won 3 drew 7 lost 8 is not good enough,I don't know what the answers are but I am concerned that cotts doesn't know either,we have been outplayed for a few of the draws don't think anyone can disagree with that,I knew it wasn't going to be easy this season but feel that getting outplayed most weeks I feel cotts needs to come out and say that was not good enough and the players have had a kick up the ass,fed up of him saying we didn't shouldn't have lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 16 minutes ago, 'keepuplino' said: God knows why, he doesn't deserve it based on this seasons shite!! Cotterill's record: Year One - took us from bottom to comfortable safety. Year Two - won the league with a record (for us) points total. Year Three so far - not in the relegation zone which most would have taken before the season started. That's fact and IMO the football this season is far from shite. Your comment is so far from reality. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 1 minute ago, NickJ said: Cotterill's record: Year One - took us from bottom to comfortable safety. Year Two - won the league with a record (for us) points total. Year Three so far - not in the relegation zone which most would have taken before the season started. That's fact and IMO the football this season is far from shite. Your comment is so far from reality. Its just such a shame that our fans are happy with shit and underachievement, its one of the biggest reasons that we'll always be a lower league club, I've followed this club passionately for 25 years but i'm seriously losing the love!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 12 minutes ago, Londoner said: I understand what people are saying. But Cotts was the one who dedicated time on Gayle and Gray....both of whom were clearly out of our reach. The trouble is we do not know that it was down to SC do we?, nobody has a clue as to what exactly happened and why our pre season recruitment failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 1 minute ago, NickJ said: Cotterill's record: Year One - took us from bottom to comfortable safety. Year Two - won the league with a record (for us) points total. Year Three so far - not in the relegation zone which most would have taken before the season started. That's fact and IMO the football this season is far from shite. Your comment is so far from reality. I think Cotterhill is great but why does his past success matter? All the hard work he's done the last 18 months before August has almost been entirely erased. Yes it's still early and it can turn around but he shouldn't safe from criticism because of last year. I don't think sacking him is the solution but he's certainly earned a raised eyebrow or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 23 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: It's actually the first defeat in 4 games. Bad day, but Cotterill retains the support of the vast majority of fans. First defeat in 4 games, but only 4 points from 4 games. Four points obtained from matches against Wolves and Hull is good, but zero from Bolton and Rotherham is poor. There has been a lack of consistency all season caused, IMO, by a squad that is too small and lacking in quality in key areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Major Isewater Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 1 minute ago, JoeAman08 said: I think Cotterhill is great but why does his past success matter? All the hard work he's done the last 18 months before August has almost been entirely erased. Yes it's still early and it can turn around but he shouldn't safe from criticism because of last year. I don't think sacking him is the solution but he's certainly earned a raised eyebrow or two. bit harsh .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 1 minute ago, 'keepuplino' said: Its just such a shame that our fans are happy with shit and underachievement, its one of the biggest reasons that we'll always be a lower league club, I've followed this club passionately for 25 years but i'm seriously losing the love!! I really don't understand your view. Mine is that despite results the overall entertainment has been fantastic this season and in most games City have played a big part in that with some great football. Greater realism and sense of perspective required surely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 2 minutes ago, pongo88 said: First defeat in 4 games, but only 4 points from 4 games. Four points obtained from matches against Wolves and Hull is good, but zero from Bolton and Rotherham is poor. There has been a lack of consistency all season caused, IMO, by a squad that is too small and lacking in quality in key areas. Zero from Bolton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash the Bash Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 1 minute ago, NickJ said: Cotterill's record: Year One - took us from bottom to comfortable safety. Year Two - won the league with a record (for us) points total. Year Three so far - not in the relegation zone which most would have taken before the season started. That's fact and IMO the football this season is far from shite. Your comment is so far from reality. To be honest I'm just glad he's been in the job for that long after the previous managerial instability. When put into perspective we have to remember his long-term progression as you've clearly pointed out. Annoyed by the result but I take solace in the fact that we're not in the relegation zone & I'll probably get to go to Villa Park next season to see City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 3 minutes ago, NickJ said: I really don't understand your view. Mine is that despite results the overall entertainment has been fantastic this season and in most games City have played a big part in that with some great football. Greater realism and sense of perspective required surely. There has been a common theme in all our games, lots of chances, not many converted and very fragile at the back, we're where we are for a reason and are on course for league 1. The thing that really bugs me and a lot of people is that there is no way that after last season we should be anywhere near this situation, an utter shambles!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) 21 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: My optimism is gone. We are a poor side and will do well to stay up. I want you faithful to say you told me so on game 46 and we are sitting 10th or something but I simply can't expect that from this team now. Before today I thought we could get 7 from our next 9 points. Now I think we'll do well to get 2. Fair play to you for reasoned debate. For what it is worth from (as my post history will show) from about two weeks before the season started I've believed we were in a relegation battle and still do. Talk of a mid table finish (or 10th) is fanciful. I don't think we'll finish any higher than 18th and it could well be very tight. However just because (for reasons none of us know) our summer transfer strategy was a shambles that doesn't mean that January's will be, does it? Last summer went pretty well. Some of the stuff posted on this thread is ridiculous and to also reply to the thread above I'm actually pleased Cotterill is going ballistic at the players after the game.. Edited November 28, 2015 by GrahamC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 5 minutes ago, 'keepuplino' said: There has been a common theme in all our games, lots of chances, not many converted and very fragile at the back, we're where we are for a reason and are on course for league 1. The thing that really bugs me and a lot of people is that there is no way that after last season we should be anywhere near this situation, an utter shambles!!! How are we "on course" for league 1 when there are 4 teams below us? Of course it would have been nice to have pressed on a bit better this season but there are 23 other teams who all want to do better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 2 minutes ago, NickJ said: How are we "on course" for league 1 when there are 4 teams below us? Of course it would have been nice to have pressed on a bit better this season but there are 23 other teams who all want to do better. UMMM... Do you really want me to explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest john shaw number 1 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 14 minutes ago, Gilts said: Hopefully that will wake them up and he will make a few changes, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 What a horrendous result. Perhaps an element of complacency going into the game today with the talk of the play offs from the players? I wasn't at the game but it seems like the usual failings, i.e. wasting chances and weak defending. We have bounced back from a bad performance before (e.g. beating Wolves after that horrible Fulham game) so I wouldn't be surprised if we picked up three points next game, but there is no doubt we are struggling - only 3 wins so far says it all. Hopefully we can dig in over the next few games and pick up some points before improving the team in Jan. I'm not holding my breath after the fiasco of the summer, but we have to hold onto some hope! Tough few months ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 7 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Fair play to you for reasoned debate. For what it is worth from (as my post history will show) from about two weeks before the season started I've believed we were in a relegation battle and still do. Talk of a mid table finish (or 10th) is fanciful. I don't think we'll finish any higher than 18th and it could well be very tight. However just because (for reasons none of us know) our summer transfer strategy was a shambles that doesn't mean that January's will be, does it? Last summer went pretty well. Some of the stuff posted on this thread is ridiculous and to also reply to the thread above I'm actually pleased Cotterill is going ballistic at the players after the game.. That's fine for you. Probably makes the results easier to take expecting a lower table finish. Maybe more of us should've been more realistic. Before the deadline came and past, it was trust the club. I did and even though we only signed one player, I bought into the hype. I thought we could build on last season and finish mid table to build again. It's why I'm disappointed. The thing with January is, well either have to throw money at someone to convince them to come to a struggling side or take chances on lower league talent. It's not the best time to be completing your squad but more to add a bit of fresh quality to almost complete side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 4 minutes ago, Jesus said: We don't have an issue upgrading players for a new league. Why should management be any different? Well. firstly there's no guarantee a new manager would be an improvement. The players, who've just got a huge pay rise due to that manager guiding them to promotion, may well start sulking. When the manager who's just given the club a fantastic promotion is also an experienced Championship manager who has never been relegated out of that division, why would you replace him? If the replacement manager failed whoever had sacked Cotterill would be in an untenable position. The fans would be furious and want to know why that action was taken, and there would be no possible acceptable answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 19 minutes ago, 'keepuplino' said: UMMM... Do you really want me to explain? UMMM..... Yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash the Bash Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Just saw Cotts' interview, no ridicilous excuses thank god - basically blamed it on us playing crap and rightly so it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 14 minutes ago, Ash the Bash said: Just saw Cotts' interview, no ridicilous excuses thank god - basically blamed it on us playing crap and rightly so it seems. He did say that we were the better team… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 10 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: He did say that we were the better team… He is an idiot then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Just now, Andy082005 said: He is an idiot then I have to say I was rather surprised. I wasn't there so can't possibly comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 21 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: He did say that we were the better team… Are you kidding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 He'll be gone soon, thanks for a great season (in league 1) but the transfer activity in the summer was so poor we stood no chance, where the blame that lies we'll never know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 5 minutes ago, 'keepuplino' said: Are you kidding? He said it post match Radio Bristol http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/POST-MATCH-REACTION/story-28259341-detail/story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 20 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: He said it post match Radio Bristol http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/POST-MATCH-REACTION/story-28259341-detail/story.html He is clutching at straws. "If we did this"..."If we did that" We didn't. We were crap. Same excuses week in week out. At some point we either have to sort these problems out....or we are going down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Just now, Andy082005 said: He is clutching at straws. "If we did this"..."If we did that" We didn't. We were crap. Same excuses week in week out. At some point we either have to sort these problems out....or we are going down. Why are we missing all these chances? Time and time again… Is it fear, panic? The goal hasn't got smaller since we've been promoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 48 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: I have to say I was rather surprised. I wasn't there so can't possibly comment. I was there so I'll comment. If he really thought we were the better team he's either kidding himself or he's deluded. Or he thought we were the team playing in red and white. We had a bright first 5 minutes, but from there on in we were increasingly second best, and by the second half we were so poor Rotherham didn't really have to play. FFS we lost 3-0. You don't lose 3-0 if you're the better side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) Just forced myself to watch yep the goals - jeeeeeeeeeeeeez First Goal Clarke - Harris on right touch line 40 Yds from goal , being watched by Baker & Williams - allowed to wander forward and then across the pitch and curls / chips into far post - looked like Flint could have almost headed it away and FF ?????? The penalty - wtf JK was doing tugging at opponent when no danger The third - awful defensive header from Ayling and the rest of defence all at sea and no one seemingly picking up opponents (Flint has a tendency to be caught in no mans land - not marking but unable to block any shot - the danger is the MAN Aiden not the space) Not good - dire defending in a number of ways Edited November 28, 2015 by BobBobSuperBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 3 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Just forced myself to watch yep the goals - jeeeeeeeeeeeeez Watching the highlights on the Sky site has somehow made me even more depressed and I didn't think that was possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Here is the only thing that will make Sat night viewing worse than Crap Factor http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/10082787/rotherham-3-0-bristol-city Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordie Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 7 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Here is the only thing that will make Sat night viewing worse than Crap Factor http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/10082787/rotherham-3-0-bristol-city Sunday league defending and that's being harsh on all the pissed up Sunday morning players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 1 hour ago, exAtyeoMax said: Why are we missing all these chances? Time and time again… Is it fear, panic? The goal hasn't got smaller since we've been promoted. He's a stuck record. If we keep missing chances then we aren't capable of taking enough of them. Simple. His comments describe my own ability to serve aces past Andy Murray. I'd miss most of those chances. And that's because I'm shit at Tennis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 17 hours ago, NickJ said: Cotterill's record: Year One - took us from bottom to comfortable safety. Year Two - won the league with a record (for us) points total. Year Three so far - not in the relegation zone which most would have taken before the season started. That's fact and IMO the football this season is far from shite. Your comment is so far from reality. It was only a record number of points for us last season because three points for a win was introduced in 1981. In 1954/55 we won 30 games and drew 10, so like for like that's a hundred points. Pedantic point I know, but it's like the Vardy record, fantastic achievement by him and I think he's a great player, but scoring in 11 consecutive games isn't the record for the top div in England, 12 is...but it's deemed too long ago to count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 2 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: It was only a record number of points for us last season because three points for a win was introduced in 1981. In 1954/55 we won 30 games and drew 10, so like for like that's a hundred points. Pedantic point I know, but it's like the Vardy record, fantastic achievement by him and I think he's a great player, but scoring in 11 consecutive games isn't the record for the top div in England, 12 is...but it's deemed too long ago to count? Before the Premiership doesn't count because it wasn't on Sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 19 hours ago, bristolcitysweden said: On a positive this was a very clear and LOUDwake up call Pardon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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