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1 minute ago, Atticus said:

Well this isn't the first time this sort of predictable and ****** result has happened now is it?? We all predicted this shite long before it actually happened.

Half this team can piss off.

Pathetic season. Got themselves to blame for this predicament. Its us fans that suffer though.

 

But remember we must not blame Cotts, he is the innocent one in all of this dont you know?

 

Foo0k right off Cotterill and get out of our football club because we are going down with you in charge mate!

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3 minutes ago, TheCulturalBomb said:

Midfielders who cannot score.

Pack should not be taking penalties.

We need a new striking coach.

Pathetic and almost exactly how our season has gone in lots of games.

 

Better possession, better attacking, better shots. SPINELESS PLAYERS WHO ARE LOSING US THE GAMES AND CANNOT SEE WHERE THE GOAL IS.

The usual reactionary nonsense. These players may lack quality but "spineless" they are not. Spineless implies a lack of effort and that is not the issue at all.

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Sub standard team and Manager for the Championship. Now back in the bottom three. Who the hell will want to join us in January.Those running our club, both on and off the field, should hang their heads in shame for turning last season's success in to this year's pitiful shambles.

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Just now, samo II said:

We just dropped 2 points against a team who look nailed on for relegation at home; I think it is fair to say the team deserve some critique, especially as it has returned us to the drop zone and likely emboldened our rivals.

If we can't be pissed at this, what are we all doing here?

Quotes like "i ******* hate this club" go too far to be fair. People need to enjoy the ride of football. It goes up and down. I do worry for the health of many posters.

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Half way through the season and people still talking of bad luck.

It's not bad luck it's lack of quality .

I think Lansdown is preparing for life in  the 3rd division ,thinking that we can come back  at the first attempt .

I was abused by some on here when i started a thread about being promoted too soon but the more i hear of Lansdown the more i'm convinced that it was case.

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1 minute ago, cynic said:

Now in the bottom three and looking like we belong there - no point in having possession or playing pretty football if we have no one who can put the ball away at one end or keep a clean sheet at the other.

I've always believed that we could get a mid table position up to today, but now I'm sad to say that its more than likely we will go down.

Not just because of this game against a side who will be relegated as they are abject and who we battered, but because its virtually the same every game and its not good enough to stay up.

SC has been vocal in saying we need a striker, hence the abortive bids for Gayle and Gray. He has ambition but I'm not sure that others in the club have the same ambition.

 

We need players in January to stand a chance.

The question is whether it is too late to make a difference. 

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3 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

The usual reactionary nonsense. These players may lack quality but "spineless" they are not. Spineless implies a lack of effort and that is not the issue at all.

I'm sorry. This game has been the same as many many others. An inability to capitalize on chances. Not being able to see the game through. Throwing a game away we should have comfortably won. That to me is spineless and gutless.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said:

Have to say it

Loads (not all) on here dont deserve Championship football

Only sing when we are winning

Now is the time to support the team

I would like to agree and normally would but sadly after the almost inevitable penalty miss, far too many of us could have written the rest of todays script and that is when it becomes a worry i'm afraid to say.

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Bringing players in next month is far from a given let alone if they will make a difference soon enough.

We will have to hope the club can pull a few genie's out of the bottle. This match, for me, was pivotal in many ways. I think it finally tells us that this current squad is not, in all likelihood, going to keep us up. We all know where we need to strengthen, its not rocket science. The loan signings have not worked, we strengthened insufficiently in the summer so we have 31 days of January to turn our season. I don't think that is being melodramatic. 

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5 minutes ago, hortonred said:

Sub standard team and Manager for the Championship. Now back in the bottom three. Who the hell will want to join us in January.Those running our club, both on and off the field, should hang their heads in shame for turning last season's success in to this year's pitiful shambles.

Somehow I don't think they wanted this either.....

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Freeman needs to be dropped. I  like Cotts and he's 100% the man to keep us up but he needs to be a bit more reactionary. To see we are only winning 1-0 against a team that was worse than the majority we played last year he should've changed it. Burns Reid Cox Little any of those on would've helped I'm sure. Instead he once again left a sub for the last 5 minutes and they scored. I'm still pretty certain we'll stay up but he NEEDS to use those subs! 

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Steve sounds utterly dejected and appears lost as to where we can go from here... somebody needs to have a word with him.. hopefully his wife will cheer him oh... they have to fly up norf tonight so fat chance of that... I hope they come out very very angry at Turf Moor. Trouble is that might mean we get walloped by being way too gung ho. lets see. Gargantuan battle to stay up.. i think we will but it hinges on January window.. what a position to be in.

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3 minutes ago, glos old boy said:

:clap: its far from over, despite some on here throwing in the towel

Never mind throwing in the towel!   Can you honestly see this bunch we have atm getting us out of relegation?   You can't put it all down to bad luck, bad refs, the pitch, can't pay the wages etc etc etc.  How much longer can everyone use these excuses, if it doesn't change in the transfer window, we are going down.  Sc on RB now, he sounds very unhappy and says as usual we should have won, but again we didn't.  So who's to blame SC, the players, the board.

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5 minutes ago, Out of his pie crust said:

Yup, we ain't down yet , just have to keep on fighting . Gonna need to pull out some boro esque results out though

If I hear the "Boro result" once more I think I might scream.  One decent and unexpected result and we're clinging on to it like thats the norm.  Based on the season so far, the Boro result was a pure fluke.

Our season so far does not have us beating the likes of Boro on a regular basis; our season so far has us drawing at home with other relegation fodder (when were lucky) and being tonked by the likes of Rotherham.

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Oh dear another two points lost

Again faults in coaching (missed penalty). Again complete ignorance of use of subs

AgaIn inability to defend a lead at home

Again inability to use possession 

 No good arguing for new manager, obvious two months ago, as owner won't move on that

It is time for Lansdown to consider his position if he won't address that of the manager

It is clear, as I have been saying for months, that the club is happy with third division football and have based their business plan for the stadium whatever they say on that

Suppprting City is so so frustrating

Sad to say our club is badly run 

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11 minutes ago, Atticus said:

I'm sorry. This game has been the same as many many others. An inability to capitalize on chances. Not being able to see the game through. Throwing a game away we should have comfortably won. That to me is spineless and gutless.

 

 

Or maybe it's just a lack of quality and doesn't have anything to do with being spineless or gutless.

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1 minute ago, City169 said:

Jesus H Christ. I used a little exaggeration to make a point. I can't be arsed to trawl through your post history or anything, but your posts on this thread alone have shown that you don't want him playing. "He's lucky to be playing" out of interest who would you have in his position instead? Reid who is a more attacking player and not suited to that role at all? 

 

You refuse to accept he may have been able to be any good at anything, when confronted with the fact that he had only missed 1 career penalty before today, you immediately claim it to be 100% failure, not 8O% success as was the case. Maybe you can't remember the 2-2 draw with Barnsley last season where he scored the opener from the spot.

He shouldn't be playing.  He's lightweight and brings nothing to the team.  Whoop de doo, he scored a penalty once.

We beat Liverpool once too.

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2 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Oh dear another two points lost

Again faults in coaching (missed penalty). Again complete ignorance of use of subs

AgaIn inability to defend a lead at home

Again inability to use possession 

 No good arguing for new manager, obvious two months ago, as owner won't move on that

It is time for Lansdown to consider his position if he won't address that of the manager

It is clear, as I have been saying for months, that the club is happy with third division football and have based their business plan for the stadium whatever they say on that

Suppprting City is so so frustrating

Sad to say our club is badly run 

Lansdown to consider his position? as what shareholder and bank?

Please!....The manager and SL will be having a good think right now!....

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2 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Oh dear another two points lost

Again faults in coaching (missed penalty). Again complete ignorance of use of subs

AgaIn inability to defend a lead at home

Again inability to use possession 

 No good arguing for new manager, obvious two months ago, as owner won't move on that

It is time for Lansdown to consider his position if he won't address that of the manager

It is clear, as I have been saying for months, that the club is happy with third division football and have based their business plan for the stadium whatever they say on that

Suppprting City is so so frustrating

Sad to say our club is badly run 

Really? And replace him with whom? Any Russian Billionaires knocking around?

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2 minutes ago, cityloyal473 said:

When the manager appears resigned to the inevitable and doesn't have the answers, there can only be one outcome.

The conclusions you outline, due to my remarks, were not at all lost on me; the key now is for City to somehow persuade the players, we all know they need, to join us. Being in the position of having to do that in an inflated January market place is regrettable. We can keep asking the same question.. why they did not come in the summer when wages was not the issue according to SL; is that the Chairman hanging the gaffer out to dry? Inadvertently? I sincerely hope not.

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2 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Oh dear another two points lost

Again faults in coaching (missed penalty). Again complete ignorance of use of subs

AgaIn inability to defend a lead at home

Again inability to use possession 

 No good arguing for new manager, obvious two months ago, as owner won't move on that

It is time for Lansdown to consider his position if he won't address that of the manager

It is clear, as I have been saying for months, that the club is happy with third division football and have based their business plan for the stadium whatever they say on that

Suppprting City is so so frustrating

Sad to say our club is badly run 

You were doing OK up until the highlighted bit (although all the coaching in world cannot guarantee a penalty being scored), exactly what do you propose SL actually does?.

 

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5 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Oh dear another two points lost

Again faults in coaching (missed penalty). Again complete ignorance of use of subs

AgaIn inability to defend a lead at home

Again inability to use possession 

 No good arguing for new manager, obvious two months ago, as owner won't move on that

It is time for Lansdown to consider his position if he won't address that of the manager

It is clear, as I have been saying for months, that the club is happy with third division football and have based their business plan for the stadium whatever they say on that

Suppprting City is so so frustrating

Sad to say our club is badly run 

Yes you're right, the business plan for a £40 million 27,000 seater stadium is no doubt based on third division football and does not show any ambition to reach higher at all does it.

Just like bidding huge sums for the likes of Gayle and Gray shows how they are "happy" with third division football.

What complete and utter nonsense you are talking.

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4 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Oh dear another two points lost

Again faults in coaching (missed penalty). Again complete ignorance of use of subs

AgaIn inability to defend a lead at home

Again inability to use possession 

 No good arguing for new manager, obvious two months ago, as owner won't move on that

It is time for Lansdown to consider his position if he won't address that of the manager

It is clear, as I have been saying for months, that the club is happy with third division football and have based their business plan for the stadium whatever they say on that

Suppprting City is so so frustrating

Sad to say our club is badly run 

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

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6 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Oh dear another two points lost

Again faults in coaching (missed penalty). Again complete ignorance of use of subs

AgaIn inability to defend a lead at home

Again inability to use possession 

 No good arguing for new manager, obvious two months ago, as owner won't move on that

It is time for Lansdown to consider his position if he won't address that of the manager

It is clear, as I have been saying for months, that the club is happy with third division football and have based their business plan for the stadium whatever they say on that

Suppprting City is so so frustrating

Sad to say our club is badly run 

You're blaming Cotts for Pack missing the penalty!? Good one! He's scored our last 2 penalties why wouldn't he pick him?!

 

We had less possession than Charlton yet had 18 shots and twice the corners. You're a loony if you think we're building this stadium for the third division. We're making profit every year whilst teams like Bolton Fulham and forest are investigated for breaking FFP!? How the **** are we badly run? Love the idea of getting rid of lansdowne by the way that's a good one. I'm sure there are loads of billionaire Bristol city fans who won't run up large amounts of debt

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2 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

My point about Lansdown is that he has to up his game and accept that modern football at this level requires additional investors -plus  use of expert football consultant 

 

And that's fair enough.

A bit different from 'needs to consider his position' though, don't you think? 

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I don't rate Pack and don't believe he will ever make a quality Championship midfielder, BUT although he has missed the pen - can't really blame him for failing to get 3 pts today. Wilbs and Kodger both missed easy chances, and the fact that Pack (who never looks like scoring) is taking it, presumably is because none of our other more favoured players have the bottle to take responsibility from 12 yards.

Hacked off with Cotts for once again not using his subs, either Wilbs or Kodger should have come off with 15 mins to go, pointless waiting until our lead was lost.

Jan window has to deliver for us, or we are down.

 

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I think OTIB should close down after matches for 12 hours , win, lose or draw , to allow people to calm down abit before posting . Be more reflective , learn how to deal with disappointment ( and today was sickening ) , refrain from blaming individuals often unfairly , and try and understand the nature of football , being a football fan and being a Bristol City fan . It's hard I know but more considered thoughts after a bit of reflection rather knee jerk reactions has to be less divisive . 

Heart is good but head is always better . It's taken me a lifetime to realise , in all aspects of life but it particularly applies to such a passionate thing like following bloody Bristol City . 

 

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14 minutes ago, cityloyal473 said:

If I hear the "Boro result" once more I think I might scream.  One decent and unexpected result and we're clinging on to it like thats the norm.  Based on the season so far, the Boro result was a pure fluke.

Our season so far does not have us beating the likes of Boro on a regular basis; our season so far has us drawing at home with other relegation fodder (when were lucky) and being tonked by the likes of Rotherham.

Not the norm and doesn't have to be in order to just stay up. Point is we will likely need at least a couple a results like that  against teams around the top to stay up. Get that shouldn't be the limit of our aspirations but for this season I'm not shooting any higher. We are not adrift, we have a pretty reasonable chance of staying up and continuing to positively support is the best thing that can be done in my opinion...or we could just say **** it and throw in the towel. I don't want to do that 

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Sad to say I called this outcome before the game so I'm not surprised to see a draw, just more disappointed were not making the most of games. Kodjia is a penalty taker, why not let him take it?

 

we just can't finish our chances. There is no remedy for that. We have used all our luck last season and have left none for this. Will be very surprised if we're in this league come next season as we can't even beat Bolton and charlton who are in dire straights...

 

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29 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

The usual reactionary nonsense. These players may lack quality but "spineless" they are not. Spineless implies a lack of effort and that is not the issue at all.

agreed but a lack of quality and a stubborn manager will see us down, not reactionary being saying it since day one of this season.    Also not reactionary as I questioned cotts lack of use of subs last season when we were winning. 

Change is needed now or we're down, team spirit can only take you so far, and won't last long at this rate.

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4 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

My point about Lansdown is that he has to up his game and accept that modern football at this level requires additional investors -plus  use of expert football consultant 

 

Firstly who in their right mind other than a person equally as minted as SL would want to put money into a football club?, money isn't the problem, the disorganisation of the summer recruitment was firmly at fault and culminated in 2 frankly desperate and almost laughable bids for 2 strikers, secondly IMO 'football consultants are overrated and usually end up causing more problems than they are worth, my first question would is Keith Burt still at the club? if yes exactly what does he do? and what exactly has he done since the end of last season?, I cannot recall the last time I heard his named mentioned.

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9 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Please remember the stadium is not City's it but Bristol Sport's

To make the stadium work as a business will not require City above third division

I don't believe the high million bids  were serious - just window dressing

If they were serious it was even worse

 

Still talking rubbish. The stadium may still work as a business with City in the third division, but it'll work better and make more money with them in the Championship. So obviously that's what they will be aiming for as a minimum.

As for the "window dressing" comment...laughable. They were serious attempts to recruit that didn't work out, simple as that. No need for conspiracy theory nonsense.

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4 minutes ago, redapple said:

I think OTIB should close down after matches for 12 hours , win, lose or draw , to allow people to calm down abit before posting . Be more reflective , learn how to deal with disappointment ( and today was sickening ) , refrain from blaming individuals often unfairly , and try and understand the nature of football , being a football fan and being a Bristol City fan . It's hard I know but more considered thoughts after a bit of reflection rather knee jerk reactions has to be less divisive . 

Heart is good but head is always better . It's taken me a lifetime to realise , in all aspects of life but it particularly applies to such a passionate thing like following bloody Bristol City . 

 

Hardly kneejerk after this many games into a season and seeing no change in ability or tactics.

This season should have seen us kick on after the last, instead we look lost with a Manager that won't adapt and players not appearing to be of sufficient quality.

not great with the momentum we'd built and AG ready next year.

 

but hey ho we're BCFC so we shouldn't expect anymore I guess.

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It's not just the fact that we dropped two precious points.

It's that we dropped them right at the very death....

and that Franchise Dons won so close to the end of their game...

and that Huddersfield and Rotherhan trounced their opposition and got 3 points.

Those three go into their next games on a high while we travel up to high-flying Burnley (who will be looking to puts things right) on a depressing low.

Christ! - after Pack's miss it seemed inevitable that we'd **** it up - and we did!

Right now I'd take three points every time, any way we can - no matter how crap we play.

 

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The problem lies with the manager and has always lain with the manager this season 

Given the inability of the owner (the chairman and Board seem conspicuous by their absence) to replace the manager then

- SC should fall on his sword, before all is lost 

But I can only foresee continuing downward spiral

I pray to god we can stabilise in third division next season, but, as said before, I am nervous of falling further

4 wins in 23 must give even the blind optimists on otib to have doubts

 

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2 minutes ago, City169 said:

If you were saying that after 1 game then that is ridiculously reactionary, pathetically so. 

I was saying that before the first game due to the debacle of the summer recruitment policy, if you think that was reactionary look at the table.  I'm sure there were a few that thought the same.

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11 minutes ago, redapple said:

I think OTIB should close down after matches for 12 hours , win, lose or draw , to allow people to calm down abit before posting . Be more reflective , learn how to deal with disappointment ( and today was sickening ) , refrain from blaming individuals often unfairly , and try and understand the nature of football , being a football fan and being a Bristol City fan . 

 

I'm not having that. Some of the best threads have been based on anger fueled unreasonableness.

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3 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

The problem lies with the manager and has always lain with the manager this season 

Given the inability of the owner (the chairman and Board seem conspicuous by their absence) to replace the manager then

- SC should fall on his sword, before all is lost 

But I can only foresee continuing downward spiral

I pray to god we can stabilise in third division next season, but, as said before, I am nervous of falling further

4 wins in 23 must give even the blind optimists on otib to have doubts

 

Blimey, we are gd away from safety, and we are being pencilled in as struggling in Div 1 next year?

SC must of course take a share of the blame for it, but this is mainly the squad we will have until the end of the season. It does not seem to be an issue of effort, but of quality. Could a new manager get more out of this squad? Not so sure.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, City169 said:

how can predicting relegation before a ball has been kicked, or after 1 game as you originally claimed, be anything other than reactionary? 

yes i can see the table, I  can see that  we have just dropped into the relegation zone from todays  results, but can also see that is is down to goal difference alone, and 3 points separate us from Fulham in 18th. I can also see we have 23 games left, that's 69 points to play for.

Fair points, and yes we may make it to safety, I just see it as a huge opportunity that's been missed.

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1 minute ago, Northern Red said:

I only hope that the players and manager have more belief than some of the fanbase, otherwise we may as well forget about survival. 

I understand what you are saying but be honest as I said earlier, after the almost inevitable miss of a rare BCFC penalty award, most on here and I bet many at AG could have successfully written the rest of the unwritten script that was about to follow and when life becomes that predictable there is something badly wrong IMO.
 

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20 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

I only hope that the players and manager have more belief than some of the fanbase, otherwise we may as well forget about survival. 

I'd like to think 'belief' will keep us up but I don't think it will be enough.  Belief's are dangerous things that lead you to accept the status quo and not questioning the path they're taking you down.

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3 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

23 games to go and only in the relegation places on goal difference. Well done on giving up.

Well done on being a happy clapper.

23 games on from our god awful summer and our position is no surprise, even though the small amount of players we do possess are reasonably talented. No reinforcements, no confidence, mismanaged by the higher-ups. We've brought it all upon ourselves.

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4 points I'd like to make.

 

1. We are a couple of players away from mid table. Sort a decent striker and we will be fine. 

2. Nice to meet Basso at the game today. Highlight of my Christmas!

3. Whoever the three absolute scroats were, who waited by the tunnel to give Pack abuse about the penalty and call him #### can do one. I thought they were justifiably waiting for the ref, but ran off after having their say. I'll be back the next home game and I hope they don't do it again... 

4. The ref was beyond a joke.

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4 minutes ago, BCFC Jordan said:

Well done on being a happy clapper.

23 games on from our god awful summer and our position is no surprise, even though the small amount of players we do possess are reasonably talented. No reinforcements, no confidence, mismanaged by the higher-ups. We've brought it all upon ourselves.

I stated there are 23 games to go and we are in the relegation spots on goal difference. Which bit of that makes me a happy clapper? If quoting the facts makes me a happy clapper, then I guess that's what I am.

Those who have read my previous posts will know I try to offer a realistic perspective without gravitating to either extreme.

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3 minutes ago, BCFC Jordan said:

Well done on being a happy clapper.

23 games on from our god awful summer and our position is no surprise, even though the small amount of players we do possess are reasonably talented. No reinforcements, no confidence, mismanaged by the higher-ups. We've brought it all upon ourselves.

So not chucking the towel in is 'being a happy clapper' now, is it? 

Stick to crying about JET.

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