Fordy62 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I thought he deserved his own thread because I thought he was the shining light amidst it all tonight. He was beating players with ease and really starting to look like the player we know he can be. Not the best day at the office all round, but I thought Freeman looked good and that excites me. On a different note, I though Joey B looked good too and the decision to replace him struck me as odd. He's not injured is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Taking him off was odd. Freeman is class but if only he could shoot!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngish Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Thought he was **** to be honest. We laughed when he got MOTM. Gave little protection to Vyner and cut back every single time he got half a yard on his man. A very frustrating season from a man who is clearly very talented. Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SedRA Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Good game but still holds onto it a bit long at times. Brighton gave us a lesson in quick passing around the box tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 minute ago, Youngish said: Thought he was **** to be honest. We laughed when he got MOTM. Gave little protection to Vyner and cut back every single time he got half a yard on his man. A very frustrating season from a man who is clearly very talented. Shame. Funny how people see things differently eh. I thought he got Vyner out of the shit a couple of times. Definitely our best outlet 2nd half. I think he's improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 He was OK. Not sure who was MOTM really as no quality from anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Freeman! Personally, I do not think Luke has stepped upto the level. He will do so many things right and then hold onto the ball for that extra couple of seconds and it falls apart. He clearly needs to play the simple ball / pass / cross at little earlier. Going round and round in circles when he has already done the hard work is my only frustration. Release the ball Luke and stop making your job so much harder! He is a talent - but in my opinion, he is frustrating some fans with his reluctance to release the ball after all his hardwork has been achieved. Whether his "football brain" needs that extra time is questionable or his he concerned of the lack of support from his colleagues? By holding on to the ball to long (when it can be played earlier), he will continue to have his critics and at this moment in time, I am in that party! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 definitely in the top 3 for me, him, Korey Smith and Lee Tomlin. Was good to see him playing with confidence and taking people on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One BCFC Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I personally thought that it was Freeman's worse performance tonight since SC left. Thought he didn't help young Vyner at all down that right side, left him on his own exposed too often. When I heard he got MOTM it was laughable, that should have been Golbourne! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I find it hard to judge him after a game like that tbg. Much of it wasn't his fault but at the end of the day we conceded 4 goals down the right side of the pitch and we didn't score any. Not sure how he got MOM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 55 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I thought he deserved his own thread because I thought he was the shining light amidst it all tonight. He was beating players with ease and really starting to look like the player we know he can be. Not the best day at the office all round, but I thought Freeman looked good and that excites me. On a different note, I though Joey B looked good too and the decision to replace him struck me as odd. He's not injured is he? couldn't disagree more. But game of opinions. Feel he holds on to the ball to long and really embarrassing effort at winning ball back after losing it.A luxury we can't afford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
man in the middle Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 played well going forwards but struggled defensively having to cover for Zac. I still think he's waisted playing wide right to be honest, because he's primarily left footed he's having to come inside with the ball so we he little to no width. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 The fans love in with Freeman continues unabated I see. I was looking around the pitch at 70 mins trying to identify a MOM. There were no candidates so I knew it would be Freeman, the default position. All 4 goals came down his side, he created no, zero, nada, nil chances and had one shot miles over the bar as per. The creative midfielders of Brighton showed him how to do it but he is incapable. Once again for example he had a prime opportunity to put Bryan away- took too many touches and passed behind him. Too slow, too ponderous, very skilful, great at corners, not good enough for this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 For me, didn't do enough to help ZV. I wish he would get his head up and look for a pass rather than dribble EVERY time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Thought he was poor (yet again) to be honest. Left gaping holes behind him which left ZV in an impossible position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 He was ok for me, but still very frustrating at the amount of time he wants to release the ball! Even after he beats his man it's like he's afraid to play the pass and ends up turning back on himself and running down a blind alley. 32 appearances this season without an assist from open play from your key playmaker tells a desperate picture about why we've struggled for goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Freeman is a frustrating player as he doesn't play with his head up. He runs at pace but instead of offloading or crossing early he holds on too long, cuts back, plays it back or loses possession. His shooting is awful but he can take a good free kick or corner - sometimes. To be fair to him he did track back in the 1st half & cover Vyner making a couple of tackles on Murphy but stopped doing that in the second half. He has made more tackles since SC left than he did in half a season before that, but that is hardly praiseworthy. I would even have considered Wagstaff as better defensive cover for a right winger, plus he is possibly quicker with & without the ball. May not be popular with some but perhaps worth a try instead of Freeman? And agreed, considering he was up against Knockaert most of the game, Goulbourne should have got MotM. As for Bryan, he was sacrificed for Wilbraham to go 442. Not Joe's worst performance but still not back to last year's levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 8 hours ago, BA14 RED said: I personally thought that it was Freeman's worse performance tonight since SC left. Thought he didn't help young Vyner at all down that right side, left him on his own exposed too often. When I heard he got MOTM it was laughable, that should have been Golbourne! That's exactly how I saw it too. Yes Golbourne was my Motm aswell. Well I suppose that's what makes football the great spectator sport it is. Thousands can watch the same game and come out with different opinions, varying from mildly disagreeing to being polar opposites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 To those who thinks he holds the ball too long just look around a see what passing options there are. More often than not, no one moving into space no one wanting the ball, or Kodjia offside. We don't offer the runner with the ball enough passing options. Just look at the movement Brighton displayed going forward. Totally different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberry2157. Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Just been told by a Brighton fan I work with who was at the game that Freeman was booed by the Brighton fans for tearing into ZV in the first half... even the Brighton fans felt sorry for the kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, Strawberry2157. said: Just been told by a Brighton fan I work with who was at the game that Freeman was booed by the Brighton fans for tearing into ZV in the first half... even the Brighton fans felt sorry for the kid. Really? Missed that. Sure Flint was about to give the lad a massive bollocking during the first half but resisted the temptation. RoD had a little word after the 3rd, poor kid must be absolutely gutted this morning. That was a harsh lesson from a good side who put everything down his side last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I thought Freeman's performance was fairly typical of how he has played this season. He saw lots of the ball, was skilful and caused them some problems but there wasn't enough end product. Our vulnerability on our right-side was concerning - the combination between Vyner and Freeman defensively didn't work and we were still exposed down that flank after Vyner had been substituted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 9 hours ago, Fordy62 said: I thought he deserved his own thread because I thought he was the shining light amidst it all tonight. He was beating players with ease and really starting to look like the player we know he can be. Not the best day at the office all round, but I thought Freeman looked good and that excites me. On a different note, I though Joey B looked good too and the decision to replace him struck me as odd. He's not injured is he? We all see things differently don't we? First half LF decided to play keep ball, ran down the right wing, stopped went backwards, sideways, every way except forward and then either lost the ball or passed it meaninglessly. I'm loathe to criticise anyone because they are all trying their hardest to pull us up the league table but because he has so much skill with the ball but no football brain and cannot hit a barn door with a bag of rice from three feet, he is, to me, a most frustrating player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 He had a good game. Always looked dangerous on the ball and whipped in some dangerous crosses. Tomlin was really quiet except for the one 2nd half dribble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I think Freeman is a very frustrating player. He definitely has skill, but where is the end product? He hustles and bustles, beats players and goes around in circles, but there's rarely a good pass or shot. The Brighton players showed him what to do. They were decisive and moved with a purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Never any end product with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazelboy Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 33 minutes ago, Strawberry2157. said: Just been told by a Brighton fan I work with who was at the game that Freeman was booed by the Brighton fans for tearing into ZV in the first half... even the Brighton fans felt sorry for the kid. He was also the first one over to ZV after the 3rd goal to 'console' (For want of a better word) him and try and pick his head up. At the end of the day its professional football, i'm sure it wasn't the first time and certainly wont be the last that somebody has a go at him, hell it won't be long before some fans start ripping into him!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, pongo88 said: I think Freeman is a very frustrating player. He definitely has skill, but where is the end product? He hustles and bustles, beats players and goes around in circles, but there's rarely a good pass or shot. The Brighton players showed him what to do. They were decisive and moved with a purpose. To be fair, Brighton had done their homework and every time Freeman got the ball, particularly in the second half, he was immediately confronted by at least three and sometimes four Brighton players. However, I agree with those who are frustrated by his use of the ball. There were several occasions when the pass was on, but he chose to hold onto the ball, usually turning into trouble. Very impressed with the speed with which Brighton tackled back last night. I think we were worn out and couldn't match their energy levels. Interesting that they made five changes last night: Rosenior, Hemed, Baldock all used only as subs on Saturday against Cardiff, and Murphy and Kayal not used at all. Shows the strength in depth of their squad. Also interesting that we had 60% of possession, 17 shots to their 11, 4 on target to their 3 (presumably Little's own goal doesn't count as a shot on target!). They were clinical and had more energy than us, but I don't think we should beat ourselves up about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 46 minutes ago, Strawberry2157. said: Just been told by a Brighton fan I work with who was at the game that Freeman was booed by the Brighton fans for tearing into ZV in the first half... even the Brighton fans felt sorry for the kid. That's interesting, after the third - arguably Vyner's fault, freeman spent a good 30'seconds chatting to Vyner trying to comfort him. Didn't spot that in the first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 No end product, prefer Reid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 You'd prefer Reid playing as a winger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rag Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 For me he holds the ball too long, net result is that defences find it easy to get back and organised. I wish he would put his foot the floor on the occasions he is confronted by a single defender and head for the space behind. His constant need to cut back inside and beat 2or 3 players is so predictable. He is clearly a great player on the ball but needs to move it quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creech Red Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Luke Freeman, not fast enough to go past defenders on the outside, either runs down the outside and then back tracks or goes across the pitching beating the opposition but neither moving forward or producing an end product. As with a lot of our squad plenty of effort but lacking in quality. Definitely not MoM, but I would be hard pressed to nominate a clear winner from last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsince1994 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 11 hours ago, hodge said: definitely in the top 3 for me, him, Korey Smith and Lee Tomlin. Was good to see him playing with confidence and taking people on. Think we need to rename MOTM the Korey Smith award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Although he can be frustrating at times, I feel sorry for Luke too and felt he did reasonably well last night. Teams obviously identify him as a threat and double up on him - yesterday there were quite often three or occasionally even four Brighton players closing him down immediately. He saw an awful lot of the ball regardless and in the second half was our main outlet I thought down the right, with Tomlin much quieter having been moved out to the wing. Often when he does get in a good position he has no options so either has to beat another man or turn back. We don't have people overlapping or making space in the middle, or players attacking the edge of the box (in the Gerard / Lampard area around the edge of the area) for him to hit. It's often someone stood 20 yards behind him so he has to turn and pass back, Pack/Smith 20 yards behind him in the centre, or Kodjia marked by 2 defenders 6 inches taller than him and 3 stone heavier (or he's standing half a yard offside). I think Tomlin is improving Luke as he's looking for space and moving players around which is what we need in the final third - at times our movement is shocking. You'd hope with players being drawn to Luke gaps would appear elsewhere we can exploit. As I said he's definitely not blameless but he has a tough time and limited options in my opinion. I'd persevere with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 One previous City manager said that players should "play what they see". He was making the point that they sometimes take too many touches of the ball, when there was a simpler, better, option if they had looked. If Freeman could do this he would be a much better player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Now 44 games at Ashton Gate without scoring a goal. Pretty impressive for a supposed attacking player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 2 hours ago, Creech Red said: Luke Freeman, not fast enough to go past defenders on the outside, either runs down the outside and then back tracks or goes across the pitching beating the opposition but neither moving forward or producing an end product. As with a lot of our squad plenty of effort but lacking in quality. Definitely not MoM, but I would be hard pressed to nominate a clear winner from last night. Freeman went passed his man on the outside a few times last night, also put in a few decent crosses, one notably very good cross at the Atyeo end where no one was able to keep up with him so only one in the box. Probably would have gotten boo'd if he'd turned back on himself despite barely anyone in the box though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 18 hours ago, Fordy62 said: I thought he deserved his own thread because I thought he was the shining light amidst it all tonight. He was beating players with ease and really starting to look like the player we know he can be. Not the best day at the office all round, but I thought Freeman looked good and that excites me. On a different note, I though Joey B looked good too and the decision to replace him struck me as odd. He's not injured is he? Amazing how people can see things so differently eh @Fordy62? I have to disagree sorry fella. I thought Freeman, as always worked hard and he often looks busy but for me is lacking in quality at this level. He does look like he might be trying too hard even and it's certainly not down to a lack of effort but on the evidence of the season so far I think the Championship might be a league too far for him. Constantly holding onto the ball too long, poor decision making and more often than not abysmal shooting has been the story of his season. I witnessed nothing from him last night to suggest he has turned a corner as such. If Freeman's performance last night was seen as a positive then we really have sunk to new lows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I did not read through this thread but merely took the title and assumed Fordy meant there was a positive from the Brighton match. Assuming I have the gist right I have to say that I can find nothing positive, whatsoever, about last night's result. It was a thrashing. I believe that is 3 x four nothings/somethings we have had to endure this season and I suspect we have one more to come. I don't think we should ever try and twist such a result around to make it somehow more palatable. Lets just be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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