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Can't fault the lads, superb effort being 2-0 down 75 minutes in. Last season it would have finished 3-0!

You've got to remember we have a very young side but they've showed as much guts as I've seen in a City side for years. They will only get better, that's the most exciting thing.

 

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5 minutes ago, Bullbag said:

People always need a scapegoat.

Paterson in for Freeman tuesday night as sadly Freeman just doesn't score goals or even look like scoring.

I don't use Freeman as a scapegoat because he's not to blame for us not winning/losing recently. But he's not very good IMO. Again not blaming him for our results but I think I'd play Pack or Paterson instead of him. 

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Oh Aden. Crisis. 

At least those errors are out the way in one go. I'd have settled for a point before the match, and it's only good that we're disappointed we didn't win. We're creating chances.

Korey coming back will be such a boost, arguably our best player for the last two seasons and hopefully shore us up at the back. 

Got to admire the character to equalise and still push for the win. Exciting times. 

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12 minutes ago, BS3rich said:

What a comeback. 12 months ago we would have gone on to lose this 3-0! Still waiting on Korey & Matthews to come back as well.

 

Sounded like Bobby Reid was outstanding all game, really do think he's underrated by our fans, time is still on his side to improve further. Wouldn't surprise me if he gets 8-10 this season. 

Sounds like he is thriving under LJ's tenure. Should have got more than one today, by the sound of it.

Still the doubt over his strength, for me, though.

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Looking at that first goal, O think ROD has to shoulder some of that blame as well. He is Flints eyes with the striker behind him, so should be either coming out properly and clearing or telling Flinty to boot it into row z. That said Flint should be stronger and smarter there.

The own goal, just write it off, not good but it happens.

Thought the equaliser was an absolutely perfect cross, well done JB (looked like JB may be wrong!)

overall though happy with a point away from home, especially as we found ourselves down by 2. Looking forward we've got some tough games this month so I've not got high expectations and as long as we keep ticking points over I think we can look to push on after that.

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17 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

This 'lightweight ' thing is a fallacy.  OK he has n't got the body strength of some but he gets a fair amount of free kicks as he is outmuscled and is a fighter , he does n't back down .

He plays the ball quickly and has good awareness, now he's scoring a few as well , he more than merits to be a starter.

He also loses a fair bit of the ball because he is outmuscled as you say,as for a starter I agree,play people on form. Nice problem for us to have 

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7 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said:

Sounds like he is thriving under LJ's tenure. Should have got more than one today, by the sound of it.

Still the doubt over his strength, for me, though.

I thought he was still quite decent under Cotts, when Freeman was out for 3 games last season  he shined & im sure he got MOTM on 2 of those games . Do prefer him further up the pitch. But he's quick at finding the killer pass, finding gaps and shooting! 

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This is a team that plays with guts and enthusiasm and believes it can win.

Mistakes are made particularly in newly formed defence formations and when under pressure a centre back sticks a leg out without any idea where the ball is going.

Sometimes a ball hits a post and goes in. Sometimes it hits a post and stays out.

You can dominate a game and still lose. You can play rubbish and still win.

A point away from home is always good to collect.

To all those who are complaining, I say get over it and show, as a supporter, the same amount of bottle that your team does.

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38 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

I'll sound really negative but don't want to be too harsh at the same time. We had a great window and are playing good football. It's ok to expect to beat teams like Rotherham. I think we are as good as most teams in this division and yes we are still gelling but the level of dominance today should have gotten us more. It doesn't always have to be happy about everything. I'm glad we got something and they done well to get a point being two down but we need to put teams like this away early and go for the jugular. A point with SW away and Derby at home in the next week isn't the best as its going to be much harder to get points from. So 3 points was needed today. Im sure the errors will be corrected. So I'm happy for the point but I think we needed 3 and I expected it. 

I wasn't there but think Flint is feeling pressure with Ekstrand now pushing him more than anyone else would've the past 3 years? I don't know if he played well or recovered from the early mistake so genially asking. 

Also I'd seriously consider fining and suspending Tomlin for this dissent rubbish. Maybe it's frustrations that it isn't going as well for him now? Tbf, he was a star for a mid table team last year. Is it unfair to expect the same in a team with quite a bit more fire power now? Kodjia is gone but I still fancy us to score more this year

You shouldn't expect to win any football match in any league . 

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8 minutes ago, Squire Dastardly said:

This is a team that plays with guts and enthusiasm and believes it can win.

Mistakes are made particularly in newly formed defence formations and when under pressure a centre back sticks a leg out without any idea where the ball is going.

Sometimes a ball hits a post and goes in. Sometimes it hits a post and stays out.

You can dominate a game and still lose. You can play rubbish and still win.

A point away from home is always good to collect.

To all those who are complaining, I say get over it and show, as a supporter, the same amount of bottle that your team does.

I don't see that to be honest, just some honest critique, which is what a forum is all about.

 

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3 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

I don't see that to be honest, just some honest critique, which is what a forum is all about.

 

Honest criticism is good and can often be constructive. It's the moaning when things go against us. The attitude of "It's not fair" and the ref is bent, etc. etc. Too many people play the blame game too often. It's a good thing that the team don't have the same attitude and carry on battling.

 

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22 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

You shouldn't expect to win any football match in any league . 

I don't see why not. We are the stronger team. I expect to win. I wouldn't expect the same Tuesday night or next Saturday. I don't see why we shouldn't expect to win some games. We are a strong team. 

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38 minutes ago, havanatopia said:

 

Don't know why this is on this reply:grr:

anyway. Nobody should expect to win any football match joe , its football anything can happen as we seen today . Its that attitude that creates complacency . We cannot get carried away , we had a great transfer window but we were playing catch up and we are probably a mid table side at the moment. 

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I for one would have settled for a point at 3 pm today and certainly would have done so with 20 minutes to go! In the end we could have come away with all three points.

This performance/result shows us:

the character and belief we have in the squad 

that our manager continues to impress, be bold and make critical substitutions

the questionable mentality of Tomlin (fourth yellow card today)

the difference between this and last season

our worrying ratio of converting possession/attempts into goals 

the never-ending emotional roller-coaster that us City fans experience!

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7 minutes ago, Jerseybean said:

I for one would have settled for a point at 3 pm today and certainly would have done so with 20 minutes to go! In the end we could have come away with all three points.

This performance/result shows us:

the character and belief we have in the squad 

that our manager continues to impress, be bold and make critical substitutions

the questionable mentality of Tomlin (fourth yellow card today)

the difference between this and last season

our worrying ratio of converting possession/attempts into goals 

the never-ending emotional roller-coaster that us City fans experience!

Would it be wrong to `hope` he gets booked v Derby so the game he would miss would be Fulham in the cup?

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3 minutes ago, cynic said:

Watching Derby at the moment and I'm not sure if its Newcastle being so much better or not, but Derby look distinctly average at the moment. Sheffield aren't firing on all cylinders either.

Four points would be good.

Newcastle are doing what they did at our place but Derby are poor. Didn`t realise they`d only scored one goal so far this season. Makes you wonder why they sold Chris Martin. Wednesday came back from a goal down to win today so they`re maybe getting it together now - hope not though!

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57 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Dominated possession away from home, scored 2 and could have scored more and only conceded because of two very unfortunate errors by one of most solid performers.

Nothing to see here.

Would rather Flint made two errors in one game that two errors in two games.

What about two errors in three games?

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4 minutes ago, cynic said:

Watching Derby at the moment and I'm not sure if its Newcastle being so much better or not, but Derby look distinctly average at the moment. Sheffield aren't firing on all cylinders either.

Four points would be good.

No doubt just saying its less likely than winning today was, in my mind. On paper the next two are much tougher but they haven't hit their stride yet. You could say we haven't really lived up to our potential yet either. I'm getting a feeling we will be quite close to that top 6 if not in it. Beatable teams this week but if we don't win I won't be surprised like I was a bit today. 

Just feel like games like today are the ones we need to win more often than not to do that. Still early and it's probably the only result so far that's a little disappointing. So good point under the circumstances but not knowing how the game went and you see 2-2 youd feel a bit disappointed as I did. 

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14 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

Don't worry, you're not the only one, Bobby Reid is like a better man crush for me than JET and Adomah combined. 

We should've signed Bayo. You guys would've been swooning for a month.

 

In seriousness it's same old Bristol City - we could be a magnificent team if we just cut out the bullshit at the back.

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2 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

I don't see why not. We are the stronger team. I expect to win. I wouldn't expect the same Tuesday night or next Saturday. I don't see why we shouldn't expect to win some games. We are a strong team. 

Joe, I'm watching barca v alaves  mate and they're winning . That's football my ole mate . So in other words . You have to earn every result you get. 

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Just back, don't want to sound like big bollox but we were worlds apart from them in terms of footballing ability, the stats really said it all. The game had a stinking feeling to it knowing whenever they went forward they would score, and they did. Luckily this team has character and ability and got what we deserved. Could of easily won it to.

I'd start Patterson next game, made a good impact.

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4 hours ago, Red Right Hand said:

Newcastle are doing what they did at our place but Derby are poor. Didn`t realise they`d only scored one goal so far this season. Makes you wonder why they sold Chris Martin. Wednesday came back from a goal down to win today so they`re maybe getting it together now - hope not though!

Wednesday are. We need to be attack minded on Tuesday. Allow them on and they will break us down. 

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8 hours ago, BristolBEAT said:

Wednesday are. We need to be attack minded on Tuesday. Allow them on and they will break us down. 

This is true, it's been a slow start to the season for us, but signs are we're finding our feet & starting to play some of the football that brought us (relative) success last year.  We weren't at the races first 15 yesterday, Wigan came at us hard and the usually reliable Tom Lees was having a shocker. But after that, Wigan sat back, tried to defend a 1-0 lead for 85 minutes and were timewasting from the 10th minute. This allowed us to get our act together and once we'd got a deserved equaliser it was like a game of attack v defence second half.  Fletcher grabbed his first of the season, Forestieri looked up for it for the first time since his one man strike and we could/should have steamrollered them on another day.  

I'm sure you'll also remember our last meeting at Ashton Gate when you came at us hard early on and caused us no end of problem, and undoubtedly Lee Johnson will too.  The lesson is, if you let us play our game, we've got the players to hurt you.

Anyway, hope it's a good game Tuesday, and those travelling up have a safe (but disappointing) trip.

 

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8 hours ago, alexukhc said:

Someone(few) said we should've brand Reid off though...

That would have been a huge mistake, and not just saying that based on his goal.

He turns over play real well and get the ball moving and into dangerous areas.  

His weakness is defending, no question, but think you move him into the three behind the strikers and he'll be far more effective.  Get the impression him being in there next to O'Neil is a short term fix, and am genuinely excited at the prospect of Reid and/or Tomlin playing in front of the 'bed rock' pairing of O'Neil and Smith.

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10 minutes ago, DessieBoySWFC said:

This is true, it's been a slow start to the season for us, but signs are we're finding our feet & starting to play some of the football that brought us (relative) success last year.  We weren't at the races first 15 yesterday, Wigan came at us hard and the usually reliable Tom Lees was having a shocker. But after that, Wigan sat back, tried to defend a 1-0 lead for 85 minutes and were timewasting from the 10th minute. This allowed us to get our act together and once we'd got a deserved equaliser it was like a game of attack v defence second half.  Fletcher grabbed his first of the season, Forestieri looked up for it for the first time since his one man strike and we could/should have steamrollered them on another day.  

I'm sure you'll also remember our last meeting at Ashton Gate when you came at us hard early on and caused us no end of problem, and undoubtedly Lee Johnson will too.  The lesson is, if you let us play our game, we've got the players to hurt you.

Anyway, hope it's a good game Tuesday, and those travelling up have a safe (but disappointing) trip.

 

Sounds much like our game against them!

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Given our dreadful record of not showing up at New York, this is a decent result. Rotherham have a good home record. Their away form is terrible. 

At 2-0 I thought it was 0 points, so we'll done to the team for salvaging a point. O'donnell and flint need to work on their communication. I'm sure they will learn from this

thete will be times this season I'm sure when city will get a lucky point against a team that outplayed us. Just as Rotherham did yesterday

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Just now, havanatopia said:

Out of interest does anybody know if the City team are staying in Yorkshire through tuesday night?

They usually do a stop over with two close proximity matches in the same week.

Lee Johnson said in the pre-match press conference they'll not be.  Prefer to take the team home.

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1 minute ago, havanatopia said:

Out of interest does anybody know if the City team are staying in Yorkshire through tuesday night?

They usually do a stop over with two close proximity matches in the same week.

No, they came home.  Johnson quoted as saying he felt it was better the players had time with their families.

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44 minutes ago, redfieldred said:

To those having a go at freeman. He's much improved this season. If he can manage to score, he may become the player he was 14/15

I think Freeman was too comfortable the start of last season- he knew we didn't really have another creative, attacking midfielder to replace him with and he got a bit complacent. Once Tomlin and Odemwingie came in it shook him up a bit, even more so over the summer with the additions we've made. To be honest, I no longer think he should be a starter, but the competition could be the making of him

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1 hour ago, DessieBoySWFC said:

This is true, it's been a slow start to the season for us, but signs are we're finding our feet & starting to play some of the football that brought us (relative) success last year.  We weren't at the races first 15 yesterday, Wigan came at us hard and the usually reliable Tom Lees was having a shocker. But after that, Wigan sat back, tried to defend a 1-0 lead for 85 minutes and were timewasting from the 10th minute. This allowed us to get our act together and once we'd got a deserved equaliser it was like a game of attack v defence second half.  Fletcher grabbed his first of the season, Forestieri looked up for it for the first time since his one man strike and we could/should have steamrollered them on another day.  

I'm sure you'll also remember our last meeting at Ashton Gate when you came at us hard early on and caused us no end of problem, and undoubtedly Lee Johnson will too.  The lesson is, if you let us play our game, we've got the players to hurt you.

Anyway, hope it's a good game Tuesday, and those travelling up have a safe (but disappointing) trip.

 

Sounds like our game against Wigan first game to be honest. 

Im not fancying us to get anything at Hillsborough but would be delighted with a point.

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15 hours ago, Squire Dastardly said:

Honest criticism is good and can often be constructive. It's the moaning when things go against us. The attitude of "It's not fair" and the ref is bent, etc. etc. Too many people play the blame game too often. It's a good thing that the team don't have the same attitude and carry on battling.

 

Sometimes incredibly poor referees and poor refereeing decisions can ruin the outcome of games, people pay a lot of money too watch these games and are entitled to question poor decisions when they occur, players have an important word at the front of their job description 'professional', they have to be more careful about what they say.

I wasn't there but it sounds as though yesterdays referee was not the best and if true it warrants mention.

 

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2 hours ago, samo II said:




I would like to see both Paterson and O'Dowda start at Wednesday.




Their pace will give us an edge on the break, and when you look at the Wednesday back line I think that will hurt them.






Agree about Paterson, milimetres away from being a hero yesterday.  Not convinced O'Dowda is quite ready to start, would like to see him taking more risks (especially against a team like Rotherham).  He always played the safe pass yesterday, which can often slow down a promising attack


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19 minutes ago, red panda said:

Agree about Paterson, milimetres away from being a hero yesterday.  Not convinced O'Dowda is quite ready to start, would like to see him taking more risks (especially against a team like Rotherham).  He always played the safe pass yesterday, which can often slow down a promising attack

Can't argue with that.  Was screaming at O'Dowda to take his man to the line in the second half, but as is our flaw he often went inside instead.  And considering how poor Rotherham were dealing with crosses and corner, even just looking to force one of those situations would have been a better option.

His pace and quick feet did make their defence scared to tackle him though, and from what I've seen of Wednesday this year, they do not have pace in the full back areas, so the hope would be O'Dowda might simply breeze past them.

Would be interested in seeing him wide left too, as feel he really could stretch teams if on his favoured foot and able to get into crossing postions.

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3 hours ago, samo II said:

Lee Johnson said in the pre-match press conference they'll not be.  Prefer to take the team home.

 

3 hours ago, Malago said:

No, they came home.  Johnson quoted as saying he felt it was better the players had time with their families.

 

6 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

Gary O'Neil left by taxi. He didn't leave on the team coach.

Interesting thanks all.

Four long traffic laden coach journeys in 4 days; i can see O'Neil's logic.

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18 hours ago, Red Right Hand said:

Going back to the stats from today and our total domination of possession I`m just watching Barca v Alaves. Barca have had 75% possession but are 1 down,

Not just us then!

Yes but where we differ is that mighty clubs like City know how not to lose with tons of possession whereas the little Barca had no reply to the bountiful football of Alaves. 

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