The Official Sheffield Wednesday v Bristol City Match Thread (Merged)

[slartibartfast]

Here we go, we ae all officially shite, apparently !

[hollydog]

We really need to face up to the fact that our defence is very poor. The defending all season has been very poor - both Wigan and Villa could have been out of sight had they  taken their chances before we scored but the defending in the last two games has been rank. I cannot believe people were fearful of Flint leaving for a premier league club - he's not even decent championship standard. He has been the mainstay of a defence that has shipped around 1.5 goals per game since promotion. His positioning is very poor - hence the regular last gasp tackles and he  is simply not mobile enough at this level. As for the keeper........Did I really see a thread on here arguing he was the best in the championship or am I dreaming?

[exAtyeoMax]

2 minutes ago, 054123 said:

Slightly worried Tomlin missed the pen. I love his 'moments' and magic set pieces, but let's be honest of those dry up its not like he's a team player.

really?

[LondonBristolian]

2 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said:

Losing in this manner could be a big problem for the teams confidence. Lee and Co have a lot of work to do this week. This result could be a big one for our season.

This is true but I don't think this will happen.  I think we're a bit more resilient than we were and I think we'll be able to see it as a bad day at the office rather than a disaster...

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, keflav said:

Disappointing tonight Tomlin needs to sort his head out (remove it from his own arse) and calm down, Tammy should have taken pen (LJ should have been making sure this happened

Flint needs a stint on the bench piss poor mistake on Saturday and useless again tonight, with Ekstrand and Moore to come it we can secure up the back 4....

ROD needs a smack in the mouth utterly ridiculous letting that goal in the twonk...

LJ need to put a rocket up his players tonight and look at his own decisions which lost us the game tonight....

Have to say gutted about the result shows there is a lot of work to be done..

 

Sack the lot of them.

[Robin1988]

Belter of the match (Sheffield Wednesday away). Who gets your vote?

16 minutes ago, Acton Red said:

This is the kind of result that can crush a teams confidence. So frustrating

15 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said:

Sort that ******* defence out!!! Beyond a joke now.

Start making some ******* changes and sort them out!!!

 

15 minutes ago, Robin101 said:

Jesus Christ. Let's hope this doesn't derail our season. 

 

15 minutes ago, Robbie_Turner said:

Dropped Saturday surely, questions over first, all his fault 2nd and a mistake kicking it out for the 3rd giving them possession !!!!!

 

14 minutes ago, husshen said:

Flint has always been a shit defender.

Just camouflages it with his goals in the opposition box.

 

13 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Ekstrand must start Saturday, and put some backbone into the defence

Lucic anyone? Please not Fielding for O"Donnell.  Lucic for me

 

12 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

Flint and O'Donnell should be dropped

 

9 minutes ago, BanburyRed said:

How much effing room in the box?  Jeez........

Has something happened to Flint over the summer?

2 games sum up the Championship - width of a post on Saturday, width of a post tonight.

Box it off, close the lid - move on.

Some very strong contenders here. I think Husshen has the title in his grasp though. Let's hope someone doesn't snatch a last-minute win.

[collier]

On the plus side I doubt we will ever have that many bad decisions made by players in 1 half ever again. The penalty miss, o neil mistimed tackle, rod dropping a clanger and some more schoolboy defending and game management with 30 seconds of the match left. That's a lot of bad things to all happen in 45 minutes of football and we got punished for every mistake.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

LJ: "I thought Tammy was outstanding on his own. But there's a couple I'm not so pleased with and they will know."

[Red-Robbo]

2 minutes ago, reddoc said:

Dire though wasn't it?

Yep but going defensive invites mistakes.  Keep it up the other end. We're not good enough to park the bus. 

[City Rocker]

6 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Let's get this strait everyone.  One player doesn't lose a game in this manner. Even two don't. 

True, but we're putting the blame on three here.

[keflav]

1 minute ago, Numero Uno said:

Sack the lot of them.

Ha Ha not quite but with the squad he has now he needs to start looking at all the players and not just putting the same ones in each week because of who they are.... 

 

[Red-Robbo]

1 minute ago, City Rocker said:

True, but we're putting the blame on three here.

Even so. More to blame than that.

[Robin101]

1 minute ago, Robin1988 said:

Belter of the match (Sheffield Wednesday away). Who gets your vote?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some very strong contenders here. I think Husshen has the title in his grasp though. Let's hope someone doesn't snatch a last-minute win.

Pff can I vote for myself? Not sure why people are particularly surprised that people are having emotional reactions though. You've gotta admit, that was a ******* annoying 35 minutes. 

[Roger Red Hat]

2 minutes ago, Robin1988 said:

Belter of the match (Sheffield Wednesday away). Who gets your vote?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some very strong contenders here. I think Husshen has the title in his grasp though. Let's hope someone doesn't snatch a last-minute win.

Must be Ivor guy, he's never seen Lucic play, I'll wager!

[exAtyeoMax]

1 minute ago, keflav said:

Ha Ha not quite but with the squad he has now he needs to start looking at all the players and not just putting the same ones in each week because of who they are.... 

 

Do you mean Tomlin?

[Bristol Rob]

LJ on the radio now.

[054123]

We need 2 or 3 championship quality players in the Window if we are to push on

[Robin1988]

1 minute ago, Robin101 said:

Pff can I vote for myself? Not sure why people are particularly surprised that people are having emotional reactions though. You've gotta admit, that was a ******* annoying 35 minutes. 

Yeah and to be fair it is quite funny to watch until you realise it's all our own!

[Talk Of The Town]

We're a mid table championship side that has time to grow with a young squad. We'll win some, we'll lose some. 39 league games remaining 

[LondonBristolian]

6 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

What I will say is without reading all posts on this thread is it seems you can't criticise players without being called all sorts,think a lot should grow up. When players deserve praise then give it to them when they don't then allow people to say it as it is

Sure but I think it's about perspective.  People tend to claim we're brilliant when we win and awful when we lose and the truth is we're a decent Championship side who are stronger than last season but still riding our luck a bit and are probably more mid-table than play-off contenders.  I also think the flipside to what you've said is that football supporters on internet forums sometimes feel they have impunity to criticise as harshly as they like without impunity but then seem a bit surprised when people criticise them harshly.  Ultimately if someone's not prepared to put up with abuse on the internet, they probably shouldn't be abusing people on the internet. 

[redapple]

8 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said:

Why can't people have a meltdown given we have just lost a game in which we were 2-0 up? 

Do you think it's acceptable to throw away a game like that? 

Wish I could have the 'oh well' mentality of some people on here but unfortunately it gets to me a little too much!

In the history of Football I should imagine there's tens of thousands of occasions when teams leading by 2 have lost . Not unique to City at all . I'm sure there's been mistakes tonight by players and management , but get over it . 

I'm sulking as well , gutted , pissed off , the dog better stay out of my way , but count to ten , it's 1 game of 46 . 

You might not regret what you say , but what you say can make you look stupid . 

**** it I'm off to bed .

[cityexile]

1 minute ago, keflav said:

Ha Ha not quite but with the squad he has now he needs to start looking at all the players and not just putting the same ones in each week because of who they are.... 

 

In fairness, made a few changes today.

He is still looking at all his jigsaw pieces and seeing what makes the best picture. Do not think he is sure yet. There are going to be some ups and downs on the way. Just one of those 'gutters' today. Not rocket science - need to stop giving away poor goals.

 

[Luxo Jr.]

Let's not forget, some people on here DID say that O Neil had form for getting sent off and losing a game for his team. Pretty sure he's the main one Johnson's directing his comment at.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

LJ: "You have to give credit to the opposition. But the most disappointing thing is I felt a couple [of players] crumbled."

[Curr Avon]

Results can be decided on wafer-thin margins and ours was that missed penalty.

We'll learn the hard way and improve.

Ive seen and heard enough from City this season to believe that.

[deadredfred]

I can't comprehend the meltdown. 

We're all gutted, but seriously? Some of these comments are outrageous. 

Tomlin - There's a fair chance we'd be playing in league one without him. When he missed the penalty we were still winning 2-1. He is not responsible for the end result! Yes RO'D's error was a howler. Yes GO'N should have done better. 

We're a work in progress. 13+ new players, all learning each other's games, having played less than 8 matches together. The knee jerk reaction to a new team is embarrassing.

We're already showing so much more promise than last season which constitutes progress. 

Clearly that's not enough for those who suddenly expect us to be challenging for the top spots after a season spent fighting relegation. The comments talking about promotion and playoffs when we go 1-0 up is as clear an indication of the fickle nature of 'in the moment' comments.

Lets take a minute to recall where we were last year, where we are now. Less than a quarter of the season gone, and we've just lost to a team who have strengthened over the summer after being one result away from the Premiership last season.

i get the passion, and the in the heat of the moment disappointment. But let's save the pathetic abuse of the players who will be as gutted as any of us. Time to support, supporters. 

 

[RedM]

Wolves have just tweeted that their player's day off is cancelled tomorrow after their result against Barnsley (lost 4-0). Let's hope we have similar plans

[LondonBristolian]

1 minute ago, Luxo Jr. said:

Let's not forget, some people on here DID say that O Neil had form for getting sent off and losing a game for his team. Pretty sure he's the main one Johnson's directing his comment at.

To be fair to GON, the time he most famously did that his team managed to go on and win...

[Vincent Vega]

1 minute ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

LJ: "You have to give credit to the opposition. But the most disappointing thing is I felt a couple [of players] crumbled."

His best  interview since he's been here

[keflav]

1 minute ago, cityexile said:

In fairness, made a few changes today.

He is still looking at all his jigsaw pieces and seeing what makes the best picture. Do not think he is sure yet. There are going to be some ups and downs on the way. Just one of those 'gutters' today. Not rocket science - need to stop giving away poor goals.

 

Agreed I have faith we will get there but tonites result was very frustrating and Preventable....

 

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, RedM said:

Wolves have just tweeted that their player's day off is cancelled tomorrow after their result against Barnsley 

They did lose 4-0 at home.

[RaspberryRed]

OUCH ROD. You made Lee bite his lip. FF get and dust your boots off

[LondonBristolian]

2 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

LJ: "You have to give credit to the opposition. But the most disappointing thing is I felt a couple [of players] crumbled."

I do like having a manager who will call it how he sees it in post-match interviews.  You get the sense he knows exaclty where we've gone wrong and we'll be working on it for the rest of the week.  I've not always had that sense with our managers...

[Kodjias Wrist]

Some terrible goal keeping mistakes all over our league but that was a terrible attempted parry for O"donnell

[Luxo Jr.]

1 minute ago, LondonBristolian said:

To be fair to GON, the time he most famously did that his team managed to go on and win...

Ah, missed that. Not too worried about it really, people do get sent off for 2 yellow cards, the second one looked soft to me. It's the defending for the 1st and 3rd goal that are actually worrying. The 2nd is just .

[Manon]

6 minutes ago, keflav said:

Disappointing tonight Tomlin needs to sort his head out (remove it from his own arse) and calm down

 

Seriously. Why? The guy just narrowly missed a pen. At the point he hit that post we were still 2-1 up against 10 men. 

I could understand some flack if he'd completely skied it or tried a cheeky Zidane and been caught out, but as missed pens go, it was as good as they get. 

[Esmond Million's Bung]

1 minute ago, Doozerchris said:

His best  interview since he's been here

Be interesting to see Saturdays team selection, to see who the crumblers were in his eyes.

 

[cityexile]

It is not the disappointment that hurts. I am used to that. It is the hope! 61 minutes was just looking for 'goal', and it was done.

Two post widths away really from 6 points last four days.

Ho hum.

[maxjak]

7 minutes ago, Robin1988 said:

Belter of the match (Sheffield Wednesday away). Who gets your vote?

 

Got to be Ivor Guy for me…………."Lucic anyone"….This man is quite possibly clinically loopy?

 

 

 

 

Some very strong contenders here. I think Husshen has the title in his grasp though. Let's hope someone doesn't snatch a last-minute win.

 

[054123]

1 minute ago, Numero Uno said:

They did lose 4-0 at home.

Good team Barnsley. 

Fair play for doing things the right way.

[Robbie_Turner]

18 minutes ago, Robin1988 said:

Get out.

I was a keeper, my lad is a keeper. Mistakes are highlighted more so than any other position we know that, that said There's competition all over the field, others are rested for others to show their case - why is a keeper any different ?

tonights performance by ROD wasn't good enough, time for FF to have a go, healthy competition is a good thing.

[City Rocker]

13 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Even so. More to blame than that.

Well quite. 

[Vincent Vega]

1 minute ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Be interesting to see Saturdays team selection, to see who the crumblers were in his eyes.

 

My thoughts exactly 

[reddoc]

7 minutes ago, cynic said:

That penalty was the killer.

3-1 and 11 v 10.

Tomlin has a lot to say about his own ability and he has to live up to it - he didn't tonight and he hasn't so far this season. He has to live up to his own hype and keep his gob shut. If he wants to talk the talk - walk the ******* walk. 

But we threw it away anyway with bad defending after that poor penalty miss and resultant sending off of O'Neil - he will be missed more than any other player in the squad against Derby. But we have Korey Smith back which is a softener.

Back to the drawing board for LJ - we aint the done deal, long long way to go till we get anywhere near it, that game tonight proves it.

Devastating result which is reminiscent of last season (it seemed inevitable),  I hope it doesn't have too much effect on the players.

Great first half, shite second half for us - reverse of just about every other game this season.

LJ will be apoplectic with those players and rightly so - couldn't see out a 2-0 lead.

Bottled it.

 

 

Yep I agree,Has anyone ever missed a penalty before? I'm gonna google it

[TV Tom]

3 minutes ago, deadredfred said:

I can't comprehend the meltdown. 

We're all gutted, but seriously? Some of these comments are outrageous. 

Tomlin - There's a fair chance we'd be playing in league one without him. When he missed the penalty we were still winning 2-1. He is not responsible for the end result! Yes RO'D's error was a howler. Yes GO'N should have done better. 

We're a work in progress. 13+ new players, all learning each other's games, having played less than 8 matches together. The knee jerk reaction to a new team is embarrassing.

We're already showing so much more promise than last season which constitutes progress. 

Clearly that's not enough for those who suddenly expect us to be challenging for the top spots after a season spent fighting relegation. The comments talking about promotion and playoffs when we go 1-0 up is as clear an indication of the fickle nature of 'in the moment' comments.

Lets take a minute to recall where we were last year, where we are now. Less than a quarter of the season gone, and we've just lost to a team who have strengthened over the summer after being one result away from the Premiership last season.

i get the passion, and the in the heat of the moment disappointment. But let's save the pathetic abuse of the players who will be as gutted as any of us. Time to support, supporters. 

 

Well said, we are a far, far better team than we were last season and still learning, tonight is a hard lesson and a bitter pill but I think this team will learn from it, let's move on

[cidered abroad]

58 minutes ago, Br1stolCityBoy said:

A few bookings. All for decent....

DISSENT.

[formerly known as ivan]

3 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Be interesting to see Saturdays team selection, to see who the crumblers were in his eyes.

 

Lets hope LJ doesn't crumble and bottle making some big decisions!

[LondonBristolian]

1 minute ago, reddoc said:

Yep I agree,Has anyone ever missed a penalty before? I'm gonna google it

Turns out they have.  This loser couldn't even manage to hit a post...  Thank Christ he's not playing for us!

 

 

[finbarr_in_z]

I'd rather our result tonight than Wolves' or QPR's. Let's get it in proportion.

[joe jordans teeth]

5 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Sure but I think it's about perspective.  People tend to claim we're brilliant when we win and awful when we lose and the truth is we're a decent Championship side who are stronger than last season but still riding our luck a bit and are probably more mid-table than play-off contenders.  I also think the flipside to what you've said is that football supporters on internet forums sometimes feel they have impunity to criticise as harshly as they like without impunity but then seem a bit surprised when people criticise them harshly.  Ultimately if someone's not prepared to put up with abuse on the internet, they probably shouldn't be abusing people on the internet. 

Agree with everything apart from we are a decent side,think we are above that 

[Robbie_Turner]

Just now, harrys said:

Well said, we are a far, far better team than we were last season and still learning, tonight is a hard lesson and a bitter pill but I think this team will learn from it, let's move on

Well said, we're all gutted but where we were last season and where we are now...enough said.

[ashton_fan]

At least we're not QPR fans 0-6 at home!

Edited September 13, 2016 by ashton_fan

[reddoc]

1 minute ago, LondonBristolian said:

Turns out they have.  This loser couldn't even manage to hit a post...  Thank Christ he's not playing for us!

 

 

Two of them then.Won't bother checking now

[maxjak]

I can take the result…….I can take the missed pen……..I can take a series of bad luck.  But I cannot get over Flints attempt at defending for the 3rd goal, he looked like an inebriated moose looking for somewhere to take a dump.  Astoundingly Awful?

[cityexile]

Anyhow.

Tammy - top scorer in the Championship, second top scorer in England.

There. A positive.

Off for a drink.

 

[Squire Dastardly]

What upsets me most about tonight's performance was that all the things which carried us through difficult games so far this season was the spirit and the self-belief when things went wrong. The last couple of games against Rotherham and Villa being prime examples. This time, things were going right, we seemed to get cocky so they then went wrong and as LJ said we just crumbled. It's the team that counts. Yes, individual players have made mistakes all through this season but until today the rest of the team rallied round and got a result. Tonight it was role reversal. The team that did that tonight were Sheffield Wed. We need to learn from it and then get over it.

[RedM]

9 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

They did lose 4-0 at home.

Yes but before the season started I wouldn't have had Barnsley to beat Wolves.

I'm hoping LJ does have the players in tomorrow, only to clear the air and really find out what went so wrong. These things can't be left or they will fester.

It seemed pretty even and then suddenly we were 2 up. Were we then too confident, sloppy?

Tomlin must have hit the pen well as it bounced off the post with power and went half way up the pitch, can't understand the hate he is getting. O'Donnell too was so safe last season, I can't believe people are calling for Frankie who lacks match practice and previously hasn't shone in the Championship anymore then O'Donnell has. O'Neil should have known better, but he is saying he got the ball. 

I wasn't there. Let's hear from those who were.

 

 

[Vincent Vega]

Who was it that kicked the ball out for a throw in the build up to Wednesdays winner.?

[Lack of Action Man]

3 minutes ago, maxjak said:

I can take the result…….I can take the missed pen……..I can take a series of bad luck.  But I cannot get over Flints attempt at defending for the 3rd goal, he looked like an inebriated moose looking for somewhere to take a dump.  Astoundingly Awful?

Made I laugh!

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Gary O'Neil ‏@Gazoneil  5m5 minutes ago

Never ever a foul!

[LondonBristolian]

4 minutes ago, ashton_fan said:

At least we're not QPR fans 0-6 at home!

My QPR supporting flatmate is due home from Loftus Road at any second.  Christ knows what his mood'll be like...

[nickolas]

9 minutes ago, Manon said:

Seriously. Why? The guy just narrowly missed a pen. At the point he hit that post we were still 2-1 up against 10 men. 

I could understand some flack if he'd completely skied it or tried a cheeky Zidane and been caught out, but as missed pens go, it was as good as they get. 

2-1 up v ten men............for about 5 seconds!

[Flagon]

We score as a team and concede as a team. Unfortunately along the way someone will hack it more than someone else along the way though occasionally. 

Johnson's comments on radio appear to point more towards keeper. Saying it was interesting who didn't seem to handle the pressure and followed shortly up by referring to kicking out of play at that last moment. 

End of the day though, some bad errors again. Bad defending for the first - why is Abraham having to do defense job there, Tomlin opportunity to possibly kill game missed, a risky challenge by O'Neil on a yellow and back to even numbers on pitch instantly, bad keeping for second followed by bad defending for third - Flint turned way too easy but pass wasn't closed off before and then failed to close that last moment out by kicking out of play and straight back to Wednesday.

They need to keep their heads up. We are well placed in table, could easily have more points too just from these last two games. They have to learn from this. 

[ashton_fan]

12 minutes ago, Luxo Jr. said:

Let's not forget, some people on here DID say that O Neil had form for getting sent off and losing a game for his team. Pretty sure he's the main one Johnson's directing his comment at.

I don't think so, think O'Donnell must be one and probably Flint the other. O'Neil made a rash challenge but he didn't crumble by any means.

[DavidNoble]

If Tomlin's penalty was an inch to the right then I'd say there would have been a 99.999% chance that we would have won that game.

Small moments have big impacts. It happens in football. We've benefited from them this season.

Let's support the boys because we were very close to ending the night in 5th place - we can't be too far off surely!?

[Robin1988]

14 minutes ago, RedM said:

Wolves have just tweeted that their player's day off is cancelled tomorrow after their result against Barnsley (lost 4-0). Let's hope we have similar plans

What? They got battered 4-0 at home. We lost in the last minute when we had a penalty to go 3-1 up.

Jesus christ.

Edited September 13, 2016 by Robin1988

[Luxo Jr.]

1 minute ago, ashton_fan said:

I don't think so, think O'Donnell must be one and probably Flint the other. O'Neil made a rash challenge but he didn't crumble by any means.

I meant the quote where he said there were some he was not so happy with.. Having not seen the game I couldn't really judge who he thought might have crumbled, although O Donnell seems an obvious choice.

[Chivs]

I'm quite disappointed 

Checked at half time and was delighted.  Can't watch BBC web texts as too nervous so left it until 10pm to check the result....

[Guest Acton Red]

19 minutes ago, Robin1988 said:

Belter of the match (Sheffield Wednesday away). Who gets your vote?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some very strong contenders here. I think Husshen has the title in his grasp though. Let's hope someone doesn't snatch a last-minute win.

No complaints with my post Robins 1998. What is your problem? Confidence is an important factors in team success and a result like this after Saturday with a two key defensive players making mistakes can really move a team in the wrong direction. 

[nickolas]

Erm, isnt O'Donnell a Sheff Wed fan.................