The Official Sheffield Wednesday v Bristol City Match Thread (Merged)

[BobBobSuperBob]

4 minutes ago, Doozerchris said:

Who was it that kicked the ball out for a throw in the build up to Wednesdays winner.?

O'Donnell

[Robin1988]

1 minute ago, Acton Red said:

No complaints with my post Robins 1998. What is your problem? Confidence is an important factors in team success and a result like this after Saturday with a two key defensive players making mistakes can really move a team in the wrong direction. 

Losing 6-0 at home crushes your confidence. Being half an inch away from what would have been a definite win doesn't.

[Vincent Vega]

1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

O'Donnell

Frankie back Saturday then . 

[RaspberryRed]

5 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

My QPR supporting flatmate is due home from Loftus Road at any second.  Christ knows what his mood'll be like...

Like an inebriated moose looking for somewhere to take a dump.  It's Autumns new look

[Owl Visiting]

Sorry lads, cruel way to lose a game that. Was a big win for us after our shaky start to the season.

Hopefully we'll both be around the top 6 for the return fixture in January.

Have a safe trip back.

[BobBobSuperBob]

1 minute ago, Doozerchris said:

Frankie back Saturday then . 

LJ spitting blood about it in his RB interview - tin hat on in dressing room ROD !!

[bemmyredjeff]

Looking at the penalty what were the chances of the ball rebounding out like it did, definately caught us  flat footed.

Probably the pass of the night for SW.

[Charliesboots]

Ok from one who was there...here's my perspective. 

Tomlin buries the Penalty then it was game over. 

O'Neil resists the cynical tackle then we would have had the extra man advantage.

These things obviously didn't happen...I'm currently sat with several Wednesday fans and their summaries go from "That were a crazy five minutes" "How did we win that" "I can't believe how lucky we were your man missed the pen" "Your boys battered us 1st half and turned off in the 2nd" "Play like that and you're gonna have a good season" "we robbed you"

Now for what it's worth I think we folded when then pressure was applied...Bannan yet again bosses the midfield and we just watched as he pinged balls around and made ours look silly. 

The meltdown I've read through on here wasn't quite what I witnessed at Hillsborough.

Conceded again isn't great and yes I'm pissed off we lost in the manner we did but I think it was a fair result. 

[RedM]

4 minutes ago, Robin1988 said:

What? They got battered 4-0 at home. We lost in the last minute when we had a penalty to go 3-1 up.

Jesus christ.

No need for that. Take your strop out on someone else. I hit post before I meant to, please read my amended post and see if you still want to throw your toys at me.

[Meh]

3 minutes ago, nickolas said:

Erm, isnt O'Donnell a Sheff Wed fan.................

Go to bed - seriously 

[Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan]

1 minute ago, Robin1988 said:

Losing 6-0 at home crushes your confidence. Being half an inch away from what would have been a definite win doesn't.

Indeed, I'm hoping that the fine margins and bad luck (Paterson striking the post) that prevented us a win at the death on Saturday along with Tomlin's penalty tonight will galvanise the squad against a Derby side who are clearly not firing on all cylinders at the moment.

Gutted tonight but nothing that should destroy our confidence for upcoming matches.

[AshtonGreat]

20 minutes ago, deadredfred said:

I can't comprehend the meltdown. 

We're all gutted, but seriously? Some of these comments are outrageous. 

Tomlin - There's a fair chance we'd be playing in league one without him. When he missed the penalty we were still winning 2-1. He is not responsible for the end result! Yes RO'D's error was a howler. Yes GO'N should have done better. 

We're a work in progress. 13+ new players, all learning each other's games, having played less than 8 matches together. The knee jerk reaction to a new team is embarrassing.

We're already showing so much more promise than last season which constitutes progress. 

Clearly that's not enough for those who suddenly expect us to be challenging for the top spots after a season spent fighting relegation. The comments talking about promotion and playoffs when we go 1-0 up is as clear an indication of the fickle nature of 'in the moment' comments.

Lets take a minute to recall where we were last year, where we are now. Less than a quarter of the season gone, and we've just lost to a team who have strengthened over the summer after being one result away from the Premiership last season.

i get the passion, and the in the heat of the moment disappointment. But let's save the pathetic abuse of the players who will be as gutted as any of us. Time to support, supporters. 

 

Where are we now?

[Guest Acton Red]

3 minutes ago, Robin1988 said:

Losing 6-0 at home crushes your confidence. Being half an inch away from what would have been a definite win doesn't.

Respectfully Robin I disagree. Its not always the result its the manner of the result and the errors that got you there.

[Vincent Vega]

2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

LJ spitting blood about it in his RB interview - tin hat on in dressing room ROD !!

Yeah I heard it but was unsure who he was referring to. Think Flinty will be getting some as well . Onwards and upwards. 

[Super]

10 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Gary O'Neil ‏@Gazoneil  5m5 minutes ago

Never ever a foul!

You just can't make that tackle from behind when you are on a yellow card. 

[RedRock]

Gutted.

Same team, go kick some arse on Saturday lads.

Edited September 13, 2016 by Moor2Sea

[And Its Smith]

That game was the epitome of a game of two halves.  Superb in the first half with a great game plan to stifle their midfield, Bannan in particular.  Pack played a bit further forward than most would have expected and it worked.  Wednesday had zero chances in the first time.  We had three and scored two goals - the opposite to Saturday.  

Pretty much every player was on their game in the first half.  I just don't know what happened in the second.  We were still 2-0 up when I told my mate next to me that we would lose this.  The players seemed to forget the plan.  Perhaps they thought, being 2-0 up, that they didn't need to play to it anymore.  

Obviously the penalty and O'Neill red card changed the game and proved once again that it is the fine margins that are important.  It looked to all that GON got the ball so I don't blame him.  

We had lost our heads before the red card but the wheels truly fell off afterwards. The ref looked at his watch five times before they scored.  It looked like we were slow to close down.

Ratings: first half/ second half

O'Donnell - 6/4 - nothing to do first half.  What is he doing for the second goal?!  

Little -7/3 - solid first half and got forward. One of the worst displays in recent times by a city player in the second.  His head went and he was all over the place

Flint - 7/6 - headed everything and marshalled back line well.

Magnusson - 8/6 - read the game well first half.  Missed a few headers and got bullied second half

Bryan - 8/8 - did nothing wrong and was everywhere

O'Neill - 9/7 - incredible first half.  Obviously red card ruined his second but think he got the ball

Brownhill - 8/5 - hassled everyone first half and good run for the second goal.  Disappeared second half big time

Pack - 9/5 - pressed very well first half and was immense.  Run ragged second half when we needed a calming influence 

O'Dowda - 5/5 - defended pretty well but offered nothing going forward all game

Tomlin - 5/3 - a passenger for pretty much whole time he was on the pitch.  Left Bryan exposed time and time again.  If he scores penalty then we win

Abraham - 10/9 - MOM.  Incredible game from the loanee.  Completely isolated second half.  Offered zero support from his teammates but kept going and had the two centre backs panicked. Won plenty of vital free kicks.  Looked shattered when the winner went in.

Truly gutted with tonight especially when they showed what they are capable of first half.  The makings of a very good team but that second half was truly awful.

[cityloyal473]

9 minutes ago, nickolas said:

Erm, isnt O'Donnell a Sheff Wed fan.................

Out of order.

[Chivs]

2 minutes ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said:

Indeed, I'm hoping that the fine margins and bad luck (Paterson striking the post) that prevented us a win at the death on Saturday along with Tomlin's penalty tonight will galvanise the squad against a Derby side who are clearly not firing on all cylinders at the moment.

Gutted tonight but nothing that should destroy our confidence for upcoming matches.

Watch the highlights on Sky and you can see that Derby clearly are firing on all cylinders.  They absolutely murdered Ipswich.  61% possession, 23 shots to 5, 4 corners to none.  And Ipswich won with a bad mistake by the Derby keeper with 1 of their 2 shots on target.

Derby will be a really tough game on Saturday. 

[Esmond Million's Bung]

2 minutes ago, Charliesboots said:

Ok from one who was there...here's my perspective. 

Tomlin buries the Penalty then it was game over. 

O'Neil resists the cynical tackle then we would have had the extra man advantage.

These things obviously didn't happen...I'm currently sat with several Wednesday fans and their summaries go from "That were a crazy five minutes" "How did we win that" "I can't believe how lucky we were your man missed the pen" "Your boys battered us 1st half and turned off in the 2nd" "Play like that and you're gonna have a good season" "we robbed you"

Now for what it's worth I think we folded when then pressure was applied...Bannan yet again bosses the midfield and we just watched as he pinged balls around and made ours look silly. 

The meltdown I've read through on here wasn't quite what I witnessed at Hillsborough.

Conceded again isn't great and yes I'm pissed off we lost in the manner we did but I think it was a fair result. 

Fair play and respect for somebody who was there, even though under the circumstances it would have felt like a defeat I would have taken a point, but the last 30 seconds/minute seem to have been unprofessional beyond belief and LJ is not a happy bunny at all, very critical claiming that several players crumbled (obviously no names) but Saturday's team could well be enlightening.

[BobBobSuperBob]

15 minutes ago, maxjak said:

I can take the result…….I can take the missed pen……..I can take a series of bad luck.  But I cannot get over Flints attempt at defending for the 3rd goal, he looked like an inebriated moose looking for somewhere to take a dump.  Astoundingly Awful?

On a nightmare night made me laugh

thanx

[Robin1988]

4 minutes ago, RedM said:

No need for that. Take your strop out on someone else. I hit post before I meant to, please read my amended post and see if you still want to throw your toys at me.

If it's in for just a debrief, fair enough. But anything similar to being in response to losing 4-0 at home is an overreaction in a sea of overreactions.

[Kodjias Wrist]

Anyone else feel slightly better now then 30 mins ago? After LJ post match i feel slightly better, much more refreshing than cotts! 

Its better to realise our weaknesses early so we can fix them early. If that means bringing in players who can handle pressure then so be it but we have a long wait until the next window.

Slightly worried how many we are conceeding but then its very early days!

[City Rocker]

8 minutes ago, Chivs said:

I'm quite disappointed 

 

The most moderate  post I've read in a while. Have you not heard the Earth has been knocked off its axis this evening? And we threw away a 2 goal lead? And you're quite disappointed?

[Full nelson]

1 minute ago, Chivs said:

Watch the highlights on Sky and you can see that Derby clearly are firing on all cylinders.  They absolutely murdered Ipswich.  61% possession, 23 shots to 5, 4 corners to none.  And Ipswich won with a bad mistake by the Derby keeper with 1 of their 2 shots on target.

Derby will be a really tough game on Saturday. 

Yes they will be!! They are a very good side. 

[Esmond Million's Bung]

3 minutes ago, Super said:

You just can't make that tackle from behind when you are on a yellow card. 

i'm not making a statement here just put out there what was put on Twitter.

 

[Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan]

Just now, Chivs said:

Watch the highlights on Sky and you can see that Derby clearly are firing on all cylinders.  They absolutely murdered Ipswich.  61% possession, 23 shots to 5, 4 corners to none.  And Ipswich won with a bad mistake by the Derby keeper with 1 of their 2 shots on target.

Derby will be a really tough game on Saturday. 

Oh I don't doubt it mate...and to be fair I haven't seen the highlights of their game so maybe I was a bit premature to say that they seem to be struggling at the moment. 

 

 

[HoldenBall]

Said before the season I'd take a campaign where we are always comfortably away from the relegation zone, currently 5 points clear with 7 games gone.. doesn't mean it doesn't feel like Windass has blasted another 30 yarder against us but we go again. It's one game, if we would of won it wouldn't of made or broke our season, same as us losing.

[BobBobSuperBob]

4 minutes ago, cityloyal473 said:

Out of order.

Said in jest 

or at least how I saw it

[Chivs]

2 minutes ago, City Rocker said:

The most moderate  post I've read in a while. Have you not heard the Earth has been knocked off its axis this evening? And we threw away a 2 goal lead? And you're quite disappointed?

I was using typical British phlegmatic understatement. My wife has just said "It's only a game".

Does anyone know the grounds for justifiable homicide?

[nickolas]

And all this time we've been worried about Sheff Utd, turns out it was Sheff Wed we needed to worry about!! 

[Barry Sheene]

5 minutes ago, RedDave said:

That game was the epitome of a game of two halves.  Superb in the first half with a great game plan to stifle their midfield, Bannan in particular.  Pack played a bit further forward than most would have expected and it worked.  Wednesday had zero chances in the first time.  We had three and scored two goals - the opposite to Saturday.  

Pretty much every player was on their game in the first half.  I just don't know what happened in the second.  We were still 2-0 up when I told my mate next to me that we would lose this.  The players seemed to forget the plan.  Perhaps they thought, being 2-0 up, that they didn't need to play to it anymore.  

Obviously the penalty and O'Neill red card changed the game and proved once again that it is the fine margins that are important.  It looked to all that GON got the ball so I don't blame him.  

We had lost our heads before the red card but the wheels truly fell off afterwards. The ref looked at his watch five times before they scored.  It looked like we were slow to close down.

Ratings: first half/ second half

O'Donnell - 6/4 - nothing to do first half.  What is he doing for the second goal?!  

Little -7/3 - solid first half and got forward. One of the worst displays in recent times by a city player in the second.  His head went and he was all over the place

Flint - 7/6 - headed everything and marshalled back line well.

Magnusson - 8/6 - read the game well first half.  Missed a few headers and got bullied second half

Bryan - 8/8 - did nothing wrong and was everywhere

O'Neill - 9/7 - incredible first half.  Obviously red card ruined his second but think he got the ball

Brownhill - 8/5 - hassled everyone first half and good run for the second goal.  Disappeared second half big time

Pack - 9/5 - pressed very well first half and was immense.  Run ragged second half when we needed a calming influence 

O'Dowda - 5/5 - defended pretty well but offered nothing going forward all game

Tomlin - 5/3 - a passenger for pretty much whole time he was on the pitch.  Left Bryan exposed time and time again.  If he scores penalty then we win

Abraham - 10/9 - MOM.  Incredible game from the loanee.  Completely isolated second half.  Offered zero support from his teammates but kept going and had the two centre backs panicked. Won plenty of vital free kicks.  Looked shattered when the winner went in.

Truly gutted with tonight especially when they showed what they are capable of first half.  The makings of a very good team but that second half was truly awful.

Excellent well written post thank you

[Vincent Vega]

1 minute ago, Chivs said:

I was using typical British phlegmatic understatement. My wife has just said "It's only a game".

Does anyone know the grounds for justifiable homicide?

Run her over  , you'll get 3 points and a £80 fine

[cityexile]

Thanks for the report. It is difficult to come to any balanced view just watching the goals. Tomlin a worry from that, penalty aside. Think when you see the winner you may knock one off Flint.

On the one hand we lost with the last kick of the game, away at a top six team last year.

On the other, well, it was there for the winning.

Edited September 13, 2016 by cityexile

[I Am A Cider Drinker]

1 point from 2 games where it could easily have been 6. Disappointing week but it isn't as though the overall performances have been bad it's just individual errors. We will finish top half and we will beat Derby on Saturday the boys will know they need to show a reaction

[Red Exile]

8 minutes ago, Charliesboots said:

Ok from one who was there...here's my perspective. 

Tomlin buries the Penalty then it was game over. 

O'Neil resists the cynical tackle then we would have had the extra man advantage.

These things obviously didn't happen...I'm currently sat with several Wednesday fans and their summaries go from "That were a crazy five minutes" "How did we win that" "I can't believe how lucky we were your man missed the pen" "Your boys battered us 1st half and turned off in the 2nd" "Play like that and you're gonna have a good season" "we robbed you"

Now for what it's worth I think we folded when then pressure was applied...Bannan yet again bosses the midfield and we just watched as he pinged balls around and made ours look silly. 

The meltdown I've read through on here wasn't quite what I witnessed at Hillsborough.

Conceded again isn't great and yes I'm pissed off we lost in the manner we did but I think it was a fair result. 

I'm also sitting in a pub with Wednesday fans who can't believe that they won. Having watched the match I can't express how disappointing that result was. We absolutely had them when Tomlin  stepped up to take the pen. 

The good news is that we were very good in the first half! I've never seen such a turn around as the pen miss and O'Neil dismissal. After that we seemed to stop playing the neat and careful possession football that we'd been playing all game. But hey ho. What a torture it is to follow City sometimes!

[chipdawg]

I'm home and trying to dry out and calm down (I live in Sheffield)

11 on 11 we were the better team. That's the crumb of comfort I'm clinging to here. However, we bottled it after the two sendings off- completely lost our heads and I think that's very worrying. Everything that was good in the first half just went out the window at 10 v 10 and we should have had the advantage; we were quicker than them for an hour and passed the ball better. We ran them ragged first half and yet we were blowing out our arses in the last 10

The penalty was as clear as they come and while I appreciate that Tomlin is the designated penalty taker, why the **** wouldn't he give it Tammy? He can only lose from that situation- if he scores so what. If he misses he looks like a**** who's just robbed an 18 year old of a hattrick. O'Neil's sending off was bullshit. HOWEVER you make a tackle like that, on a yellow card, after the ref has just sent a home player off, he's going to even things up

So what was good. Tammy is an absolute beast. It's my first game of the season, I didn't expect him to be so physically dominant. Magnusson is clearly a top quality player, needs to work on his heading but his positioning and awareness are excellent and he's got a great pass on him. O'Dowda was also good, Bryan excellent and Brownhill was also very good first half

The bad. Tomlin is part of the problem here folks. We want everything to go through him, but he just can't keep up with Tammy, COD or even Brownhill or Bryan. Then when he does get the ball he's holding on and holding on because he wants to be the one who plays the killer ball rather than just having the play go through him. Johnson either needs to find a different way to utilise him or bench him from my small viewing sample

Midfield- Pack is too passive in a game like that, that's why O'Neil was having to make the kind of challenges that got him sent off. Pack is great when we have possession and are dominating play, he doesn't influence it enough when we're chasing the ball

Flint- from the sublime to the ridiculous. He's making mistakes and he needs to cut it out 

Management- Johnson didn't do enough to influence that game and when he did, he frankly got it wrong. He brought Bobby Reid on to the right wing when Adam Reach was running riot. Bobby then constantly drifted inside, giving Reach so much room and space. It needed a proper winger on there to a) get behind him and b) reduce the space he had. Bobby was either poorly instructed or poorly disciplined 

Anyway, rant over. Hopefully some lessons will be learnt and some improvements made. The 1st half needs to be the norm and the 2nd half needs to be learnt from

[Gert Mare]

Both me and the old man said that we were going to lose as soon as O'Neil went off. Gutted that we were right! It's clear that O'Neil is a massive influence and will be badly missed on Saturday. After he went off it was like a knife through butter to coin a well known phrase which I find hard to understand after we bossed the first half and both had 10 men on the pitch?

[ChippenhamRed]

Nice one @RedDave. It's bewildering when you've been out all night and then you come home and you're trying to work out what the hell has happened! That was very helpful.

[BobBobSuperBob]

Sounds like Little one of the players LJ referred to as unable to cope with the pressure !!

interesting report RedDave - ta

 

[chipdawg]

PS and I got a ******* parking ticket

[Kingswoodactor]

Good report!

Sounded to me (from everything I've heard about the game), that there seemed to be a real tactical shift in our play once it went 10 vs 10.

By the time of O'Neil's sending off, Wednesday already had an extra attacking player on the pitch due to being 2-0 down at half time, and we never really seemed to cope with this for the final 20 mins.

Why the negative subs from Johnson? I really think he should have swapped Tomlin for Paterson, and kept someone up there to support Tammy, and to take the pressure off of our defence.

As previously mentioned, we're terrible at sitting on a lead (remember MK Dons at home last season), and I KNEW Wednesday were going to find those goals during the final moments of the game. It also sounds like some of our players went missing during the 2nd half, which is just not good enough full stop.

I ALSO cannot get my head around the fact that the ball rebounded off the post from Tomlin's pen, and went straight to one of their players in the middle of the park! WHEN does that ever happen?!! 

That 20 seconds of missing the pen and losing O'Neil seemed to cripple us mentally, and also give Wednesday a lift in the process. 

Football, you crazy, crazy bas**** 

 

[shelts]

Gutted. Be big and brave LJ drop the main offenders. 

[WhistleHappy]

56 minutes ago, BCFCFreeman said:

Think I'll give Otib a miss tonight 

Rudolph Hacker has already had her......  

[ChippenhamRed]

That's not a rant @chipdawg, that's a very measured post under the circumstances!

[chipdawg]

3 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

That's not a rant @chipdawg, that's a very measured post under the circumstances!

In my head there were more swears!

[cidered abroad]

Always believe that if Bristol City .......................................

We've had a reasonable start to the season but we have now scored two goals in two consecutive away games yet bring home only one point. Now I know why I am such a pessimist as a City fan. I've seen this too many times before in my long career as a City fan and depending on how long I live, I expect there will be plenty more.

............................................ can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, they sure as hell will!

[Gert Mare]

7 minutes ago, chipdawg said:

I'm home and trying to dry out and calm down (I live in Sheffield)

11 on 11 we were the better team. That's the crumb of comfort I'm clinging to here. However, we bottled it after the two sendings off- completely lost our heads and I think that's very worrying. Everything that was good in the first half just went out the window at 10 v 10 and we should have had the advantage; we were quicker than them for an hour and passed the ball better. We ran them ragged first half and yet we were blowing out our arses in the last 10

The penalty was as clear as they come and while I appreciate that Tomlin is the designated penalty taker, why the **** wouldn't he give it Tammy? He can only lose from that situation- if he scores so what. If he misses he looks like a**** who's just robbed an 18 year old of a hattrick. O'Neil's sending off was bullshit. HOWEVER you make a tackle like that, on a yellow card, after the ref has just sent a home player off, he's going to even things up

So what was good. Tammy is an absolute beast. It's my first game of the season, I didn't expect him to be so physically dominant. Magnusson is clearly a top quality player, needs to work on his heading but his positioning and awareness are excellent and he's got a great pass on him. O'Dowda was also good, Bryan excellent and Brownhill was also very good first half

The bad. Tomlin is part of the problem here folks. We want everything to go through him, but he just can't keep up with Tammy, COD or even Brownhill or Bryan. Then when he does get the ball he's holding on and holding on because he wants to be the one who plays the killer ball rather than just having the play go through him. Johnson either needs to find a different way to utilise him or bench him from my small viewing sample

Midfield- Pack is too passive in a game like that, that's why O'Neil was having to make the kind of challenges that got him sent off. Pack is great when we have possession and are dominating play, he doesn't influence it enough when we're chasing the ball

Flint- from the sublime to the ridiculous. He's making mistakes and he needs to cut it out 

Management- Johnson didn't do enough to influence that game and when he did, he frankly got it wrong. He brought Bobby Reid on to the right wing when Adam Reach was running riot. Bobby then constantly drifted inside, giving Reach so much room and space. It needed a proper winger on there to a) get behind him and b) reduce the space he had. Bobby was either poorly instructed or poorly disciplined 

Anyway, rant over. Hopefully some lessons will be learnt and some improvements made. The 1st half needs to be the norm and the 2nd half needs to be learnt from

Spot on! Johnson got it tactically wrong after O'Neil went off. Bannan then ran the show and it was wave after wave as if our midfield didn't exist.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Tammy Abraham's 7 shots for Bristol City this season: Goal Miss Goal Goal Goal Goal Goal Clinical.

[DavidNoble]

Rate the analysis but disagree regarding the penalty. Tomlin is our designated penalty taker and the game wasn't over so he should take it. If we were 5-0 up then fair enough if he wants to give someone a hat trick but not at that point. 

Although clearly with hindsight I can understand why others would disagree

[slartibartfast]

It's SO frustrating the way the game went. If we'd lost 1-0 we'd probably be saying "oh well, on to the next". One bad half out of 2 away games ain't bad. 

We can put it all behind us on Saturday. 

One warning note....Derby have only scored ONE goal this season.  0-3 it is then ! 

[New2City]

Due to the almost minute of delay that I experience, as it apparently takes that long for the game to get across the pond and then across the entire US of A...

As I'm mentally willing City to hang in there and finish the game out and simultaneously walking back in to my work area, I receive a text from a fellow City fan (in England) who lets me know that we've lost. As I'm reading his text, the commentary finally catches up to the delay, and I hear the goal. I confess I wanted to yell, scream at the top of my lungs, throw something, punch someone, possibly kick something... and yet I had to maintain a smile on my face and not show the immense amount of frustration built up inside of me.

Even an hour later, I am still wound up and unable to express anything.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

1 minute ago, slartibartfast said:

It's SO frustrating the way the game went. If we'd lost 1-0 we'd probably be saying "oh well, on to the next". One bad half out of 2 away games ain't bad. 

We can put it all behind us on Saturday. 

One warning note....Derby have only scored ONE goal this season.  0-3 it is then ! 

Yep that would be normal of City.

[chipdawg]

3 minutes ago, DavidNoble said:

Rate the analysis but disagree regarding the penalty. Tomlin is our designated penalty taker and the game wasn't over so he should take it. If we were 5-0 up then fair enough if he wants to give someone a hat trick but not at that point. 

Although clearly with hindsight I can understand why others would disagree

I do get that, but I felt before he took it he should have given the ball to Tammy and I still believe that now. Imagine the boost you give an 18 year old kid getting his first career hat-trick. The only person who gains from Tomlin scoring that penalty is Tomlin. But, he is the designated penalty taker

[Full nelson]

14 minutes ago, chipdawg said:

I'm home and trying to dry out and calm down (I live in Sheffield)

11 on 11 we were the better team. That's the crumb of comfort I'm clinging to here. However, we bottled it after the two sendings off- completely lost our heads and I think that's very worrying. Everything that was good in the first half just went out the window at 10 v 10 and we should have had the advantage; we were quicker than them for an hour and passed the ball better. We ran them ragged first half and yet we were blowing out our arses in the last 10

The penalty was as clear as they come and while I appreciate that Tomlin is the designated penalty taker, why the **** wouldn't he give it Tammy? He can only lose from that situation- if he scores so what. If he misses he looks like a**** who's just robbed an 18 year old of a hattrick. O'Neil's sending off was bullshit. HOWEVER you make a tackle like that, on a yellow card, after the ref has just sent a home player off, he's going to even things up

So what was good. Tammy is an absolute beast. It's my first game of the season, I didn't expect him to be so physically dominant. Magnusson is clearly a top quality player, needs to work on his heading but his positioning and awareness are excellent and he's got a great pass on him. O'Dowda was also good, Bryan excellent and Brownhill was also very good first half

The bad. Tomlin is part of the problem here folks. We want everything to go through him, but he just can't keep up with Tammy, COD or even Brownhill or Bryan. Then when he does get the ball he's holding on and holding on because he wants to be the one who plays the killer ball rather than just having the play go through him. Johnson either needs to find a different way to utilise him or bench him from my small viewing sample

Midfield- Pack is too passive in a game like that, that's why O'Neil was having to make the kind of challenges that got him sent off. Pack is great when we have possession and are dominating play, he doesn't influence it enough when we're chasing the ball

Flint- from the sublime to the ridiculous. He's making mistakes and he needs to cut it out 

Management- Johnson didn't do enough to influence that game and when he did, he frankly got it wrong. He brought Bobby Reid on to the right wing when Adam Reach was running riot. Bobby then constantly drifted inside, giving Reach so much room and space. It needed a proper winger on there to a) get behind him and b) reduce the space he had. Bobby was either poorly instructed or poorly disciplined 

Anyway, rant over. Hopefully some lessons will be learnt and some improvements made. The 1st half needs to be the norm and the 2nd half needs to be learnt from

Spot on! I've been saying for a while now that LT could be the issue here. I said you can't play JK, TA and LT together. JK left and I think if he stays and LT is benched!!!!!!!!! (What have I said) we have the best strike force in the league. 

[exAtyeoMax]

3 minutes ago, chipdawg said:

I do get that, but I felt before he took it he should have given the ball to Tammy and I still believe that now. Imagine the boost you give an 18 year old kid getting his first career hat-trick. The only person who gains from Tomlin scoring that penalty is Tomlin. But, he is the designated penalty taker

He didn't take the ball off Tammy, à la Agard?

[cheshire_red]

3 minutes ago, chipdawg said:

I do get that, but I felt before he took it he should have given the ball to Tammy and I still believe that now. Imagine the boost you give an 18 year old kid getting his first career hat-trick. The only person who gains from Tomlin scoring that penalty is Tomlin. But, he is the designated penalty taker

At 1-3 and 10 v 11 we gain 3 points

[cityexile]

5 minutes ago, chipdawg said:

I do get that, but I felt before he took it he should have given the ball to Tammy and I still believe that now. Imagine the boost you give an 18 year old kid getting his first career hat-trick. The only person who gains from Tomlin scoring that penalty is Tomlin. But, he is the designated penalty taker

Can you imagine the flack he would rightly get if Tammy missed and we then dropped points? Game was in the balance, he is our designated penalty taker, he had to take it.

Almost fluke'ish the reobound. He hits it over the bar, we still have 11 players!

[maxjak]

It is kind of ironic……….that Hutchinsons blatant foul probably won Wednesday the game, due to the ensuing repercussions………..so much for Karma?

[54-46]

From where I was sat I'm pretty sure Tomlin offered it to Tammy but he gestured to LT to carry on

[Lew-T]

Never felt this frustrated after a game. Like seriously how do you **** that up?! You have the opportunity to go 3-1 up with a one man advantage and you end up losing 3-2...

[JasonM88]

2 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

Never felt this frustrated after a game. Like seriously how do you **** that up?! You have the opportunity to go 3-1 up with a one man advantage and you end up losing 3-2...

Shit happens, a season is 46 games, 1 games doesn't dictate a season, as long as players can get over it. It'd be interesting to know what Johnson done in the changing room afterwards. I'd guess he said very little.

[exAtyeoMax]

I wouldn't like to be on that coach now…after listening to LJ's interview. Pembo has been sent to sit on the back seat…

[And Its Smith]

1 hour ago, LondonBristolian said:

This is true but I don't think this will happen.  I think we're a bit more resilient than we were and I think we'll be able to see it as a bad day at the office rather than a disaster...

I see what you did there.  Disaster...at Hillsborough.  A brave joke indeed.

[JasonM88]

1 minute ago, RedDave said:

I see what you did there.  Disaster...at Hillsborough.  A brave joke indeed.

Why feel the need to comment? Completely unnessecary. 

[LondonBristolian]

2 minutes ago, RedDave said:

I see what you did there.  Disaster...at Hillsborough.  A brave joke indeed.

Christ - really didn't mean that.  Feel awful about it now...

[And Its Smith]

1 minute ago, JasonM88 said:

Why feel the need to comment? Completely unnessecary. 

I didn't write it!  

Noted it wasn't meant as I read it. Chill man.

[Northern Red]

1 minute ago, LondonBristolian said:

Christ - really didn't mean that.  Feel awful about it now...

Nothhing to apologise for.

[cityexile]

13 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

Never felt this frustrated after a game. Like seriously how do you **** that up?! You have the opportunity to go 3-1 up with a one man advantage and you end up losing 3-2...

For me the most frustrating result since we drew at home to Charlton in the 90th or so.

Going to Sheff Wed and losing by a late late goal is no disgrace in itself. Should on paper always have been a difficult game. The worry is the nature of the goals we have conceded last two games, and the whole series of if buts from this one game.

[mozo]

Why can we only perform in one half?!!!