The Official Bristol City v Nottingham Forest Match Day Thread

[havanatopia]

Good day everyone.

This is the 86th league and cup meeting between City and Forest. Like Leeds we do not have a particularly good record against today's opponents, winning just 18 and losing 38. That in fact is one of our worst records against any team in the Football League. Across the Trent we have beaten Notts County 44 times albeit over 107 games. Still, results and history count for very little especially if the mind set is right. From our first ever match in 1907 when City won 3-0 to the last three winning results the club is focused only on winning football matches and not distracted by history or status. It is the proverbial 11 v 11 and the remarkable years of 1979 and 1980 are long long gone for Forest. That said I recall those matches under the lights in Munich and Madrid and was, for those evenings, a true Forest fan. This was a time when English football reined supreme in Europe from the two wins by Liverpool to the night of glory for Aston Villa; 5 European cups in succession came back to England. Those were truly memorable matches every single one of them but the Forest wins, for me, epitomised more than any other how a relative minnow could conquer all. They were both only 1-0 wins with goals from Trevor Francis against Malmo in 1979 and, a year later, from John Robertson against Hamburg in Madrid.

The squad for those two matches rang like a who's who of football stars of that era.. Peter Shilton, Larry Lloyd, Viv Anderson, Garry Birtles, Trevor Francis, Frank Clark, Archie Gemmill (*), Kenny Burns, Tony Woodcock, John Robertson, Ian Bowyer, John McGovern (Captain in both matches), John O'Hare, Gary Mills and Martin O'Neill.

* I only place Gemmill in there because he would have been in the team but Brian Clough dropped him for the first final and shortly afterwards he was sold to Birmingham City. 

A number of those players have gone on to become successful managers in their own right. Ian Bowyer's son, Gary, is the current manager of Blackpool and two other players in that list currently also manage teams; apart from the obvious who is the other?

I was asked to include some Viking history by a poster in the Leeds thread or, in other words, not get wrapped up in Welsh 'stuff'. Well, while I did not really go anywhere near the Danes or Danelaw for the last Forest thread there is history there if you care to delve below; The Vikings came later of course between the 8th and 11th centuries.

And interestingly, or not, Nottingham has a rather strong link to the Vikings. So much so that they have a Centre for the Study of the Viking Age or CSVA at the Trent Building of the University of Nottingham so, next away game, go early!

Well, that is all folks, I feel a bit Nottinghammed out to tell the truth, this being about the 3rd or 4th thread on the club. The threads they is evolving though as they must.

So, no Tomlin today then. Gary O'Neill will hopefully be a much welcomed return and perhaps an opportunity for O'Dowda to start. It would also be rather interesting to see Engvall play a part if he is back to full match fitness. Incidentally I wonder if he is any relation to American comedian Bill Engvall? Perhaps a distant migration from the Engvall clan in Scandinavia links the two families.

I do hope we maintain our 9th spot in the best supported league table, one ahead of Forest who dipped below the 20k mark recently. A 21k+ crowd would be most welcome but the forecast of rain and only 14 degrees c does not bode well for non-season ticket holders.

Enjoy the game y'all. Oh and I was going to end on a Bill Engvall quote but having read the first 10 and found myself not laughing, I mean at all, I decided against the idea. The best laugh will be hearing you guys at the match today waving and laughing at the Forest fans leaving early with a miffed look written across all of their faces.

3-1 ? Is that a reasonable expectation?

UTC

 

Edited October 1, 2016 by havanatopia

[Major Isewater]

Great MD thread again H , Thank you .

I would take issue with your comment that the names were like a who's who from the era , in fact Clough moulded a team of mostly journeymen , cast offs and non-league players into Champions .

Peter Shilton and Francis were the only marquée signings and if I recall correctly the latter was only signed after they'd got promoted to the First Division , albeit they broke the British transfer Record to land him , the first million pound player .

[spudski]

Looking forward to this game...I wasn't going, but circumstances have changed and I can now make it. :-)

Like you say, Forest have always been one of our bogey teams...but I feel an upturn in fortunes now. Like we did against Leeds...another bogey team...under LJ I hope we will put our past to bed.

Those European nights in 79, 80 must have been such a thrill for Forest fans. Nearly 40 years ago now...Can section 82 remind them, that they used to be famous ;-)

Can't deny it was a great achievement though...Peter Taylor and Brian Clough...Genius's of the time.

Would have taken a draw at the beginning of the season, but after the positive ground out result against Leeds, I've raised my expectations. COYR's

[E.J.Thribb]

To answer the question...I believe Frank Clark went on into management, with Orient then a fairly successful spell at Forest themselves. Didn't he have an ill-fated spell at Man City? 

[BigTone]

26 minutes ago, havanatopia said:

Good day everyone.

This is the 86th league and cup meeting between City and Forest. Like Leeds we do not have a particularly good record against today's opponents, winning just 18 and losing 38. That in fact is one of our worst records against any team in the Football League. Across the Trent we have beaten Notts County 44 times albeit over 107 games. Still, results and history count for very little especially if the mind set is right. From our first ever match in 1907 when City won 3-0 to the last three winning results the club is focused only on winning football matches and not distracted by history or status. It is the proverbial 11 v 11 and the remarkable years of 1979 and 1980 are long long gone for Forest. That said I recall those matches under the lights in Munich and Madrid and was, for those evenings, a true Forest fan. This was a time when English football reined supreme in Europe from the two wins by Liverpool to the night of glory for Aston Villa; 5 European cups in succession came back to England. Those were truly memorable matches every single one of them but the Forest wins, for me, epitomised more than any other how a relative minnow could conquer all. They were both only 1-0 wins with goals from Trevor Francis against Malmo in 1979 and, a year later, from John Robertson against Hamburg in Madrid.

The squad for those two matches rang like a who's who of football stars of that era.. Peter Shilton, Larry Lloyd, Viv Anderson, Garry Birtles, Trevor Francis, Frank Clark, Archie Gemmill (*), Kenny Burns, Tony Woodcock, John Robertson, Ian Bowyer, John McGovern (Captain in both matches), John O'Hare, Gary Mills and Martin O'Neill.

* I only place Gemmill in there because he would have been in the team but Brian Clough dropped him for the first final and shortly afterwards he was sold to Birmingham City. 

A number of those players have gone on to become successful managers in their own right. Ian Bowyer's son, Gary, is the current manager of Blackpool and two other players in that list currently also manage teams; apart from the obvious who is the other?

I was asked to include some Viking history by a poster in the Leeds thread or, in other words, not get wrapped up in Welsh 'stuff'. Well, while I did not really go anywhere near the Danes or Danelaw for the last Forest thread there is history there if you care to delve below; The Vikings came later of course between the 8th and 11th centuries.

And interestingly, or not, Nottingham has a rather strong link to the Vikings. So much so that they have a Centre for the Study of the Viking Age or CSVA at the Trent Building of the University of Nottingham so, next away game, go early!

Well, that is all folks, I feel a bit Nottinghammed out to tell the truth, this being about the 3rd or 4th thread on the club. The threads they is evolving though as they must.

So, no Tomlin today then. Gary O'Neill will hopefully be a much welcomed return and perhaps an opportunity for O'Dowda to start. It would also be rather interesting to see Engvall play a part if he is back to full match fitness. Incidentally I wonder if he is any relation to American comedian Bill Engvall? Perhaps a distant migration from the Engvall clan in Scandinavia links the two families.

I do hope we maintain our 9th spot in the best supported league table, one ahead of Forest who dipped below the 20k mark recently. A 21k+ crowd would be most welcome but the forecast of rain and only 14 degrees c does not bode well for non-season ticket holders.

Enjoy the game y'all. Oh and I was going to end on a Bill Engvall quote but having read the first 10 and found myself not laughing, I mean at all, I decided against the idea. The best laugh will be hearing you guys at the match today waving and laughing at the Forest fans leaving early with a miffed look written across all of their faces.

3-1 ? Is that a reasonable expectation?

UTC

 

Condensed Version

Forest:

We normally do shite against them.  Havana is a closet Forest fan.

Because of the Vikings it would be best to travel to the Forest away game after todays final whistle.

3-1 sounds reasonable

[Jerseybean]

Thank you H for a great MD thread, Gary Mills manages Wrexham 

[CotswoldRed]

Same result as last year please. 

I used to think the rain was often a leveller against us as a passing team. They water the pitch surface so much now - and the pitch drains so well  - it must be almost irrelevant. 

Edited October 1, 2016 by CotswoldRed

[downendcity]

21 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

Great MD thread again H , Thank you .

I would take issue with your comment that the names were like a who's who from the era , in fact Clough moulded a team of mostly journeymen , cast offs and non-league players into Champions .

Peter Shilton and Francis were the only marquée signings and if I recall correctly the latter was only signed after they'd got promoted to the First Divi

osion , albeit they broke the British transfer Record to land him , the first million pound player .

Quite right Major.

That they became household names is down to Clough making a group of mainly journeymen into an all conquering team.

Doubt we will the like again.

[Garland-sweden]

20% of Swedish people moved to Amerika between 1900-1920. It was vikings that took the first boat to America, long Before we known Before. They took slaves back home. Indians has been found in Iceland. vikings were warriors, businessmen and very good sailors. But anyway, we are in a good run and I Think we will beat Forest 2-1. Paterson winning goal. Always Believe, COYR!!!

[Clint]

I remember Forest's 2 European Cup wins very well. Growing up my brother was a Forest fan and I never heard the last of it. Still going for a win today 3.1!

[reddogkev]

In the world of football fans starting match-day threads for their clubs, our Hava must be up there with the very best. 

I'd be in awe of LJ and the team if we could win 3 league games on the bounce, so such is the way with football, I'm tipping today to be a thrilling draw.  1-1 doesn't quite sound thrilling enough for me, so I reckon we'll draw 2 apiece.

COME ON YOU REDSSSSSSSSS

LJ is the future of football, and Ashton Gate is home to the Gods.

Edited October 1, 2016 by reddogkev

[havanatopia]

38 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

Great MD thread again H , Thank you .

I would take issue with your comment that the names were like a who's who from the era , in fact Clough moulded a team of mostly journeymen , cast offs and non-league players into Champions .

Peter Shilton and Francis were the only marquée signings and if I recall correctly the latter was only signed after they'd got promoted to the First Division , albeit they broke the British transfer Record to land him , the first million pound player .

Two aspects to your first para Major.... Agreed on the largely unknowns or journeymen but it is what they became and remain to this day; icons. That is what i was trying to drive at.

30 minutes ago, Icelandic Clap said:

To answer the question...I believe Frank Clark went on into management, with Orient then a fairly successful spell at Forest themselves. Didn't he have an ill-fated spell at Man City? 

Jerseybean has it below; ie present tense.

25 minutes ago, BigTone said:

Condensed Version

Forest:

We normally do shite against them.  Havana is a closet Forest fan.

Because of the Vikings it would be best to travel to the Forest away game after todays final whistle.

3-1 sounds reasonable

Interesting remark about bein a closet Florist young sir.... Pondering that. 

23 minutes ago, Jerseybean said:

Thank you H for a great MD thread, Gary Mills manages Wrexham 

Muy bien hombre, correcto. 

[iamalagerdrinker]

Feeling 2-1 today. Abraham & Patterson goal scorers! I'll be quids up at work if we win work alongside a Leeds fan who owes me £20 and a Forrest fan who I've got the same bet on with today! 

[Charliesboots]

City win, 3-0 with Tammy taking the match ball home. 

Looking forward to this one as I love it when the weather changes and it's time to bring the jumper to the game. 

[Reigate Red]

10 minutes ago, Charliesboots said:

City win, 3-0 with Tammy taking the match ball home. 

Looking forward to this one as I love it when the weather changes and it's time to bring the jumper to the game. 

It's OK the revamped stadium now comes with it's own goal posts - you can leave the jumper at home if you like.

[Fiale]

4 minutes ago, Reigate Red said:

It's OK the revamped stadium now comes with it's own goal posts - you can leave the jumper at home if you like.

 

I don't even think Charlie owns a jumper, he's to posh - it's a cardigan to be sure.

[spudski]

22 minutes ago, Garland-sweden said:

20% of Swedish people moved to Amerika between 1900-1920. It was vikings that took the first boat to America, long Before we known Before. They took slaves back home. Indians has been found in Iceland. vikings were warriors, businessmen and very good sailors. But anyway, we are in a good run and I Think we will beat Forest 2-1. Paterson winning goal. Always Believe, COYR!!!

And yet they still teach that Columbus founded America...does my head in.

Here's something else that bugs...Quote...

Why every world map you're looking at is WRONG: Africa, China and India are distorted despite access to accurate satellite data

• The distortion is the result of the Mercator map which was created in 1596 to help sailors navigate the world
• It gives the right shapes of countries but at the cost of distorting sizes in favour of the wealthy lands to the north
• For instance, north America looks larger, or at least as big, as Africa, and Greenland also looks of comparable size
• In reality, you can fit north America into Africa and still have space for India, Argentina, Tunisia and some left over
• Map suggests Scandinavian countries are larger than India, whereas in reality India is three times the size
• The biggest challenge for cartographers is that it is impossible to portray reality of spherical world on a flat map

 

 

 

Take a look at a map today, and you’re likely to see that North America is larger than Africa, Alaska is larger than Mexico and China is smaller than Greenland.

But in reality China is four times bigger than Greenland, Africa is three times bigger than North America and Mexico is larger than Alaska.

The distortion is the result of the Mercator projection, the map most commonly seen hanging in classrooms and in text books, which was created in 1596 to help sailors navigate the world.

 

[Fiale]

 

Edited October 1, 2016 by Fiale

[Ash the Bash]

21 minutes ago, spudski said:

And yet they still teach that Columbus founded America...does my head in.

Here's something else that bugs...Quote...

Why every world map you're looking at is WRONG: Africa, China and India are distorted despite access to accurate satellite data

• The distortion is the result of the Mercator map which was created in 1596 to help sailors navigate the world
• It gives the right shapes of countries but at the cost of distorting sizes in favour of the wealthy lands to the north
• For instance, north America looks larger, or at least as big, as Africa, and Greenland also looks of comparable size
• In reality, you can fit north America into Africa and still have space for India, Argentina, Tunisia and some left over
• Map suggests Scandinavian countries are larger than India, whereas in reality India is three times the size
• The biggest challenge for cartographers is that it is impossible to portray reality of spherical world on a flat map

 

 

 

Take a look at a map today, and you’re likely to see that North America is larger than Africa, Alaska is larger than Mexico and China is smaller than Greenland.

But in reality China is four times bigger than Greenland, Africa is three times bigger than North America and Mexico is larger than Alaska.

The distortion is the result of the Mercator projection, the map most commonly seen hanging in classrooms and in text books, which was created in 1596 to help sailors navigate the world.

 

Well I say! I'm a cartographer by trade, never thought I'd see the day the Mercator projection is explained on a match day thread. 

Also annoys me when people say 'upside down' maps or those with Asia in the middle are wrong! Bloody elitists 

Anyway back to reality, u redzzzzzzzzzzz 1-0

[Son of Fred]

1 hour ago, havanatopia said:

Good day everyone.

This is the 86th league and cup meeting between City and Forest. Like Leeds we do not have a particularly good record against today's opponents, winning just 18 and losing 38. That in fact is one of our worst records against any team in the Football League. Across the Trent we have beaten Notts County 44 times albeit over 107 games. Still, results and history count for very little especially if the mind set is right. From our first ever match in 1907 when City won 3-0 to the last three winning results the club is focused only on winning football matches and not distracted by history or status. It is the proverbial 11 v 11 and the remarkable years of 1979 and 1980 are long long gone for Forest. That said I recall those matches under the lights in Munich and Madrid and was, for those evenings, a true Forest fan. This was a time when English football reined supreme in Europe from the two wins by Liverpool to the night of glory for Aston Villa; 5 European cups in succession came back to England. Those were truly memorable matches every single one of them but the Forest wins, for me, epitomised more than any other how a relative minnow could conquer all. They were both only 1-0 wins with goals from Trevor Francis against Malmo in 1979 and, a year later, from John Robertson against Hamburg in Madrid.

The squad for those two matches rang like a who's who of football stars of that era.. Peter Shilton, Larry Lloyd, Viv Anderson, Garry Birtles, Trevor Francis, Frank Clark, Archie Gemmill (*), Kenny Burns, Tony Woodcock, John Robertson, Ian Bowyer, John McGovern (Captain in both matches), John O'Hare, Gary Mills and Martin O'Neill.

* I only place Gemmill in there because he would have been in the team but Brian Clough dropped him for the first final and shortly afterwards he was sold to Birmingham City. 

A number of those players have gone on to become successful managers in their own right. Ian Bowyer's son, Gary, is the current manager of Blackpool and two other players in that list currently also manage teams; apart from the obvious who is the other?

I was asked to include some Viking history by a poster in the Leeds thread or, in other words, not get wrapped up in Welsh 'stuff'. Well, while I did not really go anywhere near the Danes or Danelaw for the last Forest thread there is history there if you care to delve below; The Vikings came later of course between the 8th and 11th centuries.

And interestingly, or not, Nottingham has a rather strong link to the Vikings. So much so that they have a Centre for the Study of the Viking Age or CSVA at the Trent Building of the University of Nottingham so, next away game, go early!

Well, that is all folks, I feel a bit Nottinghammed out to tell the truth, this being about the 3rd or 4th thread on the club. The threads they is evolving though as they must.

So, no Tomlin today then. Gary O'Neill will hopefully be a much welcomed return and perhaps an opportunity for O'Dowda to start. It would also be rather interesting to see Engvall play a part if he is back to full match fitness. Incidentally I wonder if he is any relation to American comedian Bill Engvall? Perhaps a distant migration from the Engvall clan in Scandinavia links the two families.

I do hope we maintain our 9th spot in the best supported league table, one ahead of Forest who dipped below the 20k mark recently. A 21k+ crowd would be most welcome but the forecast of rain and only 14 degrees c does not bode well for non-season ticket holders.

Enjoy the game y'all. Oh and I was going to end on a Bill Engvall quote but having read the first 10 and found myself not laughing, I mean at all, I decided against the idea. The best laugh will be hearing you guys at the match today waving and laughing at the Forest fans leaving early with a miffed look written across all of their faces.

3-1 ? Is that a reasonable expectation?

UTC

 

A sticky wicket-1-1 in the Ashton mud...

[spudski]

2 minutes ago, Ash the Bash said:

Well I say! I'm a cartographer by trade, never thought I'd see the day the Mercator projection is explained on a match day thread. 

Also annoys me when people say 'upside down' maps or those with Asia in the middle are wrong! Bloody elitists 

Anyway back to reality, u redzzzzzzzzzzz 1-0

Blame it on @havanatopia ;-) Matchday threads are about being educated these days and I love it :-) COYR's

[Charliesboots]

39 minutes ago, Fiale said:

 

I don't even think Charlie owns a jumper, he's to posh - it's a cardigan to be sure.

Quilted and velvet lined

[ChippenhamRed]

Feels like today's game will tell us a lot about the direction we are heading in this season. Win and it's four wins on the bounce, more momentum and increasing belief that we can be play off contenders. Lose and it will feel like we are probably a mid table side and nothing more.

I know this game isn't really quite that pivotal, but that's how it feels. Momentum and confidence counts for a lot in a division where there isn't much else between many of the teams.

[Offside]

Can we make it 3 league wins in a row? Hope so. COYR

[CotswoldRed]

16 minutes ago, Ash the Bash said:

Well I say! I'm a cartographer by trade, never thought I'd see the day the Mercator projection is explained on a match day thread. 

Also annoys me when people say 'upside down' maps or those with Asia in the middle are wrong! Bloody elitists 

Anyway back to reality, u redzzzzzzzzzzz 1-0

The number of people who cannot get their heads around the idea that there is no right way up when it comes to the solar system / milky way / universe. 

[ashton_fan]

Anyone reckon he might give Tammy a rest and bring him off the bench for the last 20 minutes? Wilbs or Engvall could get a runout perhaps?

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

1 hour ago, Garland-sweden said:

20% of Swedish people moved to Amerika between 1900-1920. It was vikings that took the first boat to America, long Before we known Before. They took slaves back home. Indians has been found in Iceland. vikings were warriors, businessmen and very good sailors. But anyway, we are in a good run and I Think we will beat Forest 2-1. Paterson winning goal. Always Believe, COYR!!!

Didn`t the Swedish Vikings sail right into Russia, along the rivers?

[Leveller]

Yes indeed, it's another Wessex v Danelaw fixture today.

Our Swedish fans presumably joined us as they're anti Dane.

[Chairman Mao]

Only had three hours sleep but heading back to the cradle of civilisation on the train to cheer on the boys. COYRs!

[Out of his pie crust]

Feel like we can win today and then go on a mad run culminating in us reaching the heady heights of third around early November. 

Other opinions are available.

[Alessandro]

Forest have scored a few but have not had a clean sheet all season.

I'm going 2-1 City and Paterson will score. 

[Leveller]

50 minutes ago, Mike Hunt-Hertz said:

Didn`t the Swedish Vikings sail right into Russia, along the rivers?

I think at one point, the Russians invited a Viking to rule them.

[Leveller]

50 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

Only had three hours sleep but heading back to the cradle of civilisation on the train to cheer on the boys. COYRs!

You're on a train from China to Iraq? You may miss the match.

[Chairman Mao]

Prediction: 3-1 City. Reid, Magnusson and Paterson to score.

[Septic Peg]

Morning all. I'm feeling a 2-1 scrappy win with a 91st Wilbs tap in and a Flint header. Think we'll miss Tomlin's trickery today. Hope O'Neil has recovered but sounds like he is still off so we'll have to wait and see...

[WhistleHappy]

1 hour ago, Fiale said:

 

Wow, genuinely the first time I've ever seen, heard or thought about this ... ever!  Fascinating, and gobsmacking,

Thanks to Spudski and Fiale for their posts... (its the last thing I ever expected to find in an Otib Match Day Thread (thanks also to Havana, excellent as usual) but here it is)

At last I now get a chance to add an appropriate  -  Puts football into 'perspective' post ... this thread has put the whole damn World into perspective ...Literally and figuratively blew my mind.

  (notice Great Britain and the UK is still depicted as a tiny insignificant dot on maps of the World - its about time they sort that out too!   )

Like I said it puts Everything in perspective,  ... just take a look at Ashton Gate and our West Stand and tell me we are not a big club.. course we are big ffs!

 

Edited October 1, 2016 by WhistleHappy

[shelts]

Looking forward to the game Forest a proper club. Gutted when Cloughie took em down as he was brill, remember when he punched a couple of his own fans when they invaded the pitch!

European cup winners heady times and now at a re vamped Ashton Gate. Football the winner today!!

[havanatopia]

1 hour ago, spudski said:

And yet they still teach that Columbus founded America...does my head in.

Here's something else that bugs...Quote...

Why every world map you're looking at is wrong

The distortion is the result of the Mercator projection, the map most commonly seen hanging in classrooms and in text books, which was created in 1596 to help sailors navigate the world.

 

I was taught at school that Columbus found the Caribbean and Latin America and John Cabot found North America. Both wrong we know but the former did not grab all the headlines in my classroom.

As for map sizes; you rather interestingly left out the biggest 'mistake' of them all... The British Isles are magnified to such a degree that we look as big if not bigger than France.. Personally i think its marvellous and quite possibly helped us dominate the world for as long as we did. Without that we might be eating rice today instead of the humble potato. I prefer potatoes. 

[shamussy]

I reckon a close game with goals. 3-2 city is my guess. Hard to keep max energy for 5th game in 14 days

[WhistleHappy]

Feel an exciting ... 3 - 2 goal fest could be on the cards today ... ( in our favour of course).. COYR's.

[pongo88]

1 hour ago, CotswoldRed said:

The number of people who cannot get their heads around the idea that there is no right way up when it comes to the solar system / milky way / universe. 

I'm still to be convinced that the world isn't flat 

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

27 minutes ago, Leveller said:

I think at one point, the Russians invited a Viking to rule them.

Imagine a boatload of tanked up Tommys, pitching up in Moscow!

[BigTone]

1 hour ago, bristolcitysweden said:

COYR!! 

Morning Tommy 

[BigTone]

20 minutes ago, havanatopia said:

As for map sizes;

We should wait and see how it unfolds

[WhistleHappy]

3 minutes ago, Mike Hunt-Hertz said:

Imagine a boatload of tanked up Tommys, pitching up in Moscow!

Urgghh ... I'd rather not imagine a boat full of Tommy Tankers thanks very much, still haven't got over the old Arsenal radio commentaries of Seaman in the box..

[1960maaan]

As I'm always wrong with predictions, and I'm quite possibly THE worst gambler in history I've ignored logic, given way to the heart sentiment and I have Tammy first goal and City to win 3-0 £1 @ 50/1 COYR 

[Port Said Red]

2 hours ago, spudski said:

And yet they still teach that Columbus founded America...does my head in.

Here's something else that bugs...Quote...

Why every world map you're looking at is WRONG: Africa, China and India are distorted despite access to accurate satellite data

• The distortion is the result of the Mercator map which was created in 1596 to help sailors navigate the world
• It gives the right shapes of countries but at the cost of distorting sizes in favour of the wealthy lands to the north
• For instance, north America looks larger, or at least as big, as Africa, and Greenland also looks of comparable size
• In reality, you can fit north America into Africa and still have space for India, Argentina, Tunisia and some left over
• Map suggests Scandinavian countries are larger than India, whereas in reality India is three times the size
• The biggest challenge for cartographers is that it is impossible to portray reality of spherical world on a flat map

 

 

 

Take a look at a map today, and you’re likely to see that North America is larger than Africa, Alaska is larger than Mexico and China is smaller than Greenland.

But in reality China is four times bigger than Greenland, Africa is three times bigger than North America and Mexico is larger than Alaska.

The distortion is the result of the Mercator projection, the map most commonly seen hanging in classrooms and in text books, which was created in 1596 to help sailors navigate the world.

 

Those classroom maps have a lot to answer for... I once remember being in Vancouver and explaining to my wife there were so many Japanese tourists because it was quite close. "But it's on the other side of the world"" she said. I had to find a shop with a globe in to prove my point  .

 

[BigTone]

9 minutes ago, Mike Hunt-Hertz said:

Imagine a boatload of tanked up Tommys, pitching up in Moscow!

Tanked up Tommy's vs The Pissed up Putin's

My moneys on the Tommy's to take them out with one breath

[Fiale]

1 hour ago, ashton_fan said:

Anyone reckon he might give Tammy a rest and bring him off the bench for the last 20 minutes? Wilbs or Engvall could get a runout perhaps?

 

I thought he would do this against Leeds (Posted it int he thread) start with Wilbs, wear down Leeds strong CBs and bring on Tammy later against them - but did not happen. I would think Tammy would get more joy against the Forest defensive line, so he should probably start.

 

1 hour ago, Leveller said:

Yes indeed, it's another Wessex v Danelaw fixture today.

Our Swedish fans presumably joined us as they're anti Dane.

 

Not going to think of Forest that way - nope, they are the men in tights !!

[Fordy62]

The Fordy household bragging rights game. Forest fans think they're defensively weak... more than normal I hope we pick up three points today!

[Sleepy1968]

You're all getting a bit too optimistic for my liking

It will be good to see how we perform without Tomlin - how will LJ will set up the midfield? I think Patterson will play a bit nearer to Tammy. And maybe we could try to play the ball into TA's body rather than launch most of them over his head. I think we will need to play a bit better than Tuesday to give us a good chance of winning this one.

Should be a good game.

COYR.

[cityexile]

Will see what the team is, but against a fully fit and available squad, we could be light Little, Matthews, Tomlin, O'Neill and Smith. It is a sign of how far we have travelled since this time last year that we go in to this still with some confidence, given most of what might end up being our first choice midfield is missing. They also have a couple of their best players returning, so current form for both teams may not be an entirely accurate reflection.

Fancy us to nick it by the odd goal, but would have been happy with 4 points from the two home games before Leeds. Expectations are rising, but expecting another close game today.

 

Edited October 1, 2016 by cityexile

[wendyredredrobin]

A couple of things:

Do you remember we sold Jim Brennan to Forest for £1 million.  He hardly played for them and a mate who was a Forest fan said he was completely useless.  One of the best £ millions we ever made.

Secondly, I've had to fork out for 4 tickets this week at £34 each - that's a staggering £136 to watch a couple of matches and not great seats either near the front in a Dolman wing.

I think we will miss Tomlin today but still going for a 2 - 1 Victory

[Port Said Red]

6 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said:

A couple of things:

Do you remember we sold Jim Brennan to Forest for £1 million.  He hardly played for them and a mate who was a Forest fan said he was completely useless.  One of the best £ millions we ever made.

Secondly, I've had to fork out for 4 tickets this week at £34 each - that's a staggering £136 to watch a couple of matches and not great seats either near the front in a Dolman wing.

I think we will miss Tomlin today but still going for a 2 - 1 Victory

They bought one of the best wingbacks I have ever seen and then tried to make him play as a conventional left back in a flat back 4......... Well duh!

Edited October 1, 2016 by Port Said Red

[Major Isewater]

3 hours ago, havanatopia said:

Two aspects to your first para Major.... Agreed on the largely unknowns or journeymen but it is what they became and remain to this day; icons. That is what i was trying to drive at.

Jerseybean has it below; ie present tense.

Interesting remark about bein a closet Florist young sir.... Pondering that. 

Muy bien hombre, correcto. 

Oh I misunderstood. I agree with me .

[Major Isewater]

1 hour ago, pongo88 said:

I'm still to be convinced that the world isn't flat 

Certain bits are .

[The hand of RO'D]

For some reason I don't feel optimistic about this game.

When was the last time we won 4 on the spin? Did we even do it in our promotion season?

Im going against the grain and going for a tight game with a 0-1 loss. I'm happy to be proven wrong tho!

[Major Isewater]

2 hours ago, Ash the Bash said:

Well I say! I'm a cartographer by trade, never thought I'd see the day the Mercator projection is explained on a match day thread. 

Also annoys me when people say 'upside down' maps or those with Asia in the middle are wrong! Bloody elitists 

Anyway back to reality, u redzzzzzzzzzzz 1-0

 I  am a cartographer by trade 

 

Would   that be 'orse n cart or ones pulled by old bullocks.

[Cornacix the Druid]

5 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

Certain bits are .

There's been a rumour that the worlds been flat for a long time. In fact it's been "around" for ages.

Thank you!

2-1 city after going 1 down. Bryan & Tammy to score.

 

[Cider_boy]

So, if I understand this tread correctly, maps have led us to believe the north is bigger than it really is, and the south is actually bigger than we had thought.

So Nottingham is smaller than I have been led to believe and South Bristol is bigger.

All in all, with that new found knowledge I'm going for a 2-0 today.

[Reigate Red]

2 minutes ago, Cider_boy said:

So, if I understand this tread correctly, maps have led us to believe the north is bigger than it really is, and the south is actually bigger than we had thought.

So Nottingham is smaller than I have been led to believe and South Bristol is bigger.

All in all, with that new found knowledge I'm going for a 2-0 today.

Not sure the Gas are going to accept this theory

[pongo88]

8 minutes ago, Cider_boy said:

So, if I understand this tread correctly, maps have led us to believe the north is bigger than it really is, and the south is actually bigger than we had thought.

So Nottingham is smaller than I have been led to believe and South Bristol is bigger.

All in all, with that new found knowledge I'm going for a 2-0 today.

Bristol Roves use the same principal when calculating their attendances and fan base.  

[Unan]

Lee Johnson vs Forest 2007

[Unan]

Their fans couldn't be any less optimistic 

 

http://www.forestforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=45308&page=4

[Slippin cider]

I'll be following the game from afar...and a 5 hour time difference! COYR!!!!

[Shtanley]

A strange team but I guess we have some tired legs. Excited to see Reid at 10, shame he hasn't got another Reid playing behind him though. Moore has a lot of pace so I hope he can get involved going forward. 

[samo II]

14 minutes ago, Griffin said:

Lee Johnson vs Forest 2007

Have fond memories of the one all draw during the promotion season under GJ; Forest's cocky manager dismissing chances of promotion pre-game, saying they'd win all their games and over take us - was nice to see them capitulate and have to go to the play offs.

5 minutes ago, Griffin said:

Their fans couldn't be any less optimistic 

 

http://www.forestforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=45308&page=4

Blimey; hide the bleach.

Some seem to think the return of key players will make them more competitive, but sounds like Fulham should have beat them, and considering we battered Fulham, that's not the worst sign.

[samo II]

Tremendously mobile team; interested to see Pack, Brownhill and Reid in that central area.

Having watched Forest this season, they've been exposed by pace, so I see the logic here - plus that is a hell of a bench if we need to freshen things up.

COYR!

Edited October 1, 2016 by samo II

[Unan]

 

[ChippenhamRed]

This is exactly why you build a squad rather than just a team. Unlike last year, we're able to shuffle the pack and still field a team that looks more than capable of winning the game. Also entirely understandable given we've had midweek games for three consecutive weeks.