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4 minutes ago, Port Pete said:

I'd suggest Tomlin galvanised our survival. 

Tomlin was our only player playing was he? Managing the side was he? I guess he was in goal making the saves, in defence making the tackles and scoring ALL the goals, picked the tactics..

Fair play to the guy :facepalm:

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5 minutes ago, Dark Wood Covert said:

The only 3 posters who i've seen who despised SC was Spud, KITR and Harry but they could back their reasons up with sensible debate... unlike some here who hate LJ because they disliked him as a player :blink: what a fantastic reason to hate a manager.

Those who despised Cotts. were in to double figures and they were very prominent posters at the time.

'Backed up by sensible debate' - bollocks, they stated they hated him and they looked to find reasons to criticise and undermine him constantly.

You're being very naive if you believe all who doubt LJ's appointment disliked him as a player.

All City fans have every reason to doubt him because he hadn't achieved enough in management to be awarded the Bristol City job in the first place.

 

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Another loss......what do we do though? We can keep sacking managers. It hasn't proved to work. There's something deeper than that. I dare question SL as he has done so much for the club I love, but who else is to blame? He owns this club, and when it comes down to it he is responsible.

 

I really don't know anymore......... 

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4 minutes ago, Dark Wood Covert said:

Tomlin was our only player playing was he? I guess he was in goal making the saves, in defence making the tackles and scoring ALL the goals, picked the tactics..

Fair play to the guy :facepalm:

A player can often drag teammates with him and get you over the line. Sometimes with a player like that in your side, when you've been low prior to his arrival, it gifts you a lift. He's been there done it. 

You crack me up. You'll still be ignoring the slide until we're settled back in league one. Deluded. 

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3 minutes ago, Slippin cider said:

I'm fed up of all the excuses now ....work in progress...young team blah blah blah ....results speak for themselves...just not good enough! ....I'm off to the garage again to annoy a spider!!!!

Be careful, it might annoy you.

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4 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Those who despised Cotts. were in to double figures and they were very prominent posters at the time.

'Backed up by sensible debate' - bollocks, they stated they hated him and they looked to find reasons to criticise and undermine him constantly.

You're being very naive if you believe all who doubt LJ's appointment disliked him as a player.

All City fans have every reason to doubt him because he hadn't achieved enough in management to be awarded the Bristol City job in the first place.

 

Yet in black and white it has been said on here but I guess those said posters were just kidding around...

Who's being naive now?

 

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11 minutes ago, Fuber said:

Thing I dont buy is this "I need X time/tranfers-windows" bullshit that LJ prattles on about. Jaap Stam has spent something along the lines of a 5th of what we have, mostly signing free agents. Reading have no proven goalscorer, yet play in a disciplined pressing style.

We cant close down the ******* guy crossing the ball.

What I don't get is, we are constantly gettting told that LJ is a top young coach. If that is the case ( I'm not convinced) then the training ground and not the transfer window should be where he does his work. 

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4 minutes ago, BA14 RED said:

No backbone in our side at all, I'm sorry if that hurts the happy clappers I respect your positivity but thats the truth.

I was accused of being a GJ "happy clapper". I've got no particular agenda as far as his son goes. What I'd say is that whatever the club does there has to be a plan. When GJ was ditched some on here rejoiced...but what followed was chaotic, and lasted years. If there are to be changes they need to be well thought through...sadly, the backbone at the club isn't only to be found on the pitch...I'd question how much backbone has been shown a the highest level of the club down the years. 

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6 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Those who despised Cotts. were in to double figures and they were very prominent posters at the time.

'Backed up by sensible debate' - bollocks, they stated they hated him and they looked to find reasons to criticise and undermine him constantly.

You're being very naive if you believe all who doubt LJ's appointment disliked him as a player.

All City fans have every reason to doubt him because he hadn't achieved enough in management to be awarded the Bristol City job in the first place.

 

This. 

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3 minutes ago, Dark Wood Covert said:

Not incorrect at all, the fact is SC was totally abject last season and not even you can argue with that

The fact is the thing which "Spud" in particular slated SC for he would not back up with hard fact; therefore the so called "debate" you refer to was non existent.

 

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3 minutes ago, Port Pete said:

A player can often drag teammates with him and get you over the line. Sometimes with a player like that in your side, when you've been low prior to his arrival, it gifts you a lift. He's been there done it. 

You crack me up. You'll still be ignoring the slide until we're settled back in league one. Deluded. 

Oh dear, you're the deluded one here if you seriously believe in your own garbage sentence.... totally deluded

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4 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said:

Another loss......what do we do though? We can keep sacking managers. It hasn't proved to work. There's something deeper than that. I dare question SL as he has done so much for the club I love, but who else is to blame? He owns this club, and when it comes down to it he is responsible.

 

I really don't know anymore......... 

Well you don't keep a Manager who doesn't have a clue.

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3 minutes ago, NickJ said:

The fact is the thing which "Spud" in particular slated SC for he would not back up with hard fact; therefore the so called "debate" you refer to was non existent.

 

The fact you still backed SC right upto he was binned off and even then said he would've turned it around makes your post irrelevant

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5 minutes ago, Red Exile said:

I was accused of being a GJ "happy clapper". I've got no particular agenda as far as his son goes. What I'd say is that whatever the club does there has to be a plan. When GJ was ditched some on here rejoiced...but what followed was chaotic, and lasted years. If there are to be changes they need to be well thought through...sadly, the backbone at the club isn't only to be found on the pitch...I'd question how much backbone has been shown a the highest level of the club down the years. 

The reason it was chaotic when GJ was sacked was simply because he is a manager who never plans for the future. The club was a mess because of him. 

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Just now, cidercity1987 said:

How many more chances does Flint have? 

Absolute joke of a player of the year award last season, the mainstay of our crap defence over the past 18 months and massively error prone.

 

WHAT was that reaction?

Jeez. Talk about OTT.

Bloke scores a goal but gives away a penalty, so he's public enemy number one for some.

 

 

It's all either giddy "we're the best" or "we're dogshit, we're going down" with some people.   The truth is somewhere in between. However LJ isn't inspiring the team to their best or using what he has at his disposal in the best way possible.

I'll leave that to those who watched the game to analyse it more fully, but January desperately needs a strengthening of our defence. 

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This losing lark is becoming a habit! Becoming concerned about this season LJ needs to show that he is a highly rated manager or he will be off. As for those of you that take delight when City lose or are losing go & watch the gas or Man U, because I'm not sure what is pissing me off more, are current form or your know it all attitude!

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2 minutes ago, EstoniaTallinnRed said:

I don't think SL will allow a slip into L1, with all the money he has spent on players and AG.

 

2 minutes ago, EstoniaTallinnRed said:

I don't think SL will allow a slip into L1, with all the money he has spent on players and AG.

Unless there is better decision making, SL can do f all about it!

TBF, the loss of JK 5 mins before the window shut has really f ucked up any plans for team building.

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23 minutes ago, cityloyal473 said:

Not me I'm utterly pissed off. 

The most sensible post I have read.

Utterly pissed off with conceding rubbish goals, utterly pissed off with missing chances, utterly pissed of with players being forced to play in unnatural areas of the field, utterly pissed off with crap platitudes, utterly pissed off with whay is being served up.

I'm never quite sure with this happy clapper or anti LJ garbage.....See what's in front of you. We are not playing that well, whatever anyone says. It is going wrong. Midfield cant defend, cant score. Yes we hoped we would carry on the good start, but this is not that, we are not doing it after spending 11m quid... this is implosion.... 

LJ is now in trouble....WAKE UP LJ, wake up everyone!!  

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14 minutes ago, Dark Wood Covert said:

Tomlin was our only player playing was he? Managing the side was he? I guess he was in goal making the saves, in defence making the tackles and scoring ALL the goals, picked the tactics..

Fair play to the guy :facepalm:

I would suggest that you look up the word galvanised. It appears you don't fully comprehend the meaning of the word.

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6 minutes ago, Portland Bill said:

The reason it was chaotic when GJ was sacked was simply because he is a manager who never plans for the future. The club was a mess because of him. 

But at the end of the day GJ was a manager for hire...and he's still working. The responsibility for what came after him wasn't Gary Johnson's...it was Steve Lansdown's. It was a responsibility SL failed to rise to. If LJ isn't the manager to lead the club forward it's up to the Board to find someone better. All I'm asking is that before they ditch Lee they have a better plan than they had when they sacked his father, who, for all his limitations, was comfortably one of the more successful managers City have had in the last 30 years.

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3 minutes ago, Dark Wood Covert said:

The fact you still backed SC right upto he was binned off and even then said he would've turned it around makes your post irrelevant

How does refuting your claim that dislike of SC was backed up with "debate", have anything to do with what I thought of SC as a manager.

Although, if you want to go on to that, yes I do think SC could have turned it around IF he had been given the backing.

And I did say from the day LJ was appointed I cannot see him being a good manager for Bristol City, in fact I said if he takes us out of this division it will be down not up. Hope I'm wrong, but my opinion is based not on irrational dislike, just common sense analysis.

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2 minutes ago, redordead1 said:

I would suggest that you look up the word galvanised. It appears you don't fully comprehend the meaning of the word.

Wow! How patronising...

Believe me I do but to say it was down to 1 guy alone is completely foolish and totally delusional... It was a collective effort by the team, manager and so on.. Odemwingie had a big hand in that as well just pointing out like so no it wasn't just down to Tomlin galvanising the team

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3 minutes ago, Dark Wood Covert said:

Yet in black and white it has been said on here but I guess those said posters were just kidding around...

Who's being naive now?

 

I've seen it from just 2 posters, you're giving a tiny number far too much credence.

The vast majority of LJ doubters don't give a toss about his playing career at AG, they simply see no reason to rate him as an adequate manager for BCFC in the Championship based on his past record.

If you disagree, and you have seen reasons to believe he is the right man, perhaps you could put forward a convincing argument in his favour?

 

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4 minutes ago, NickJ said:

How does refuting your claim that dislike of SC was backed up with "debate", have anything to do with what I thought of SC as a manager.

Although, if you want to go on to that, yes I do think SC could have turned it around IF he had been given the backing.

And I did say from the day LJ was appointed I cannot see him being a good manager for Bristol City, in fact I said if he takes us out of this division it will be down not up. Hope I'm wrong, but my opinion is based not on irrational dislike, just common sense analysis.

Brilliant :facepalm:

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7 minutes ago, Red Exile said:

But at the end of the day GJ was a manager for hire...and he's still working. The responsibility for what came after him wasn't Gary Johnson's...it was Steve Lansdown's. It was a responsibility SL failed to rise to. If LJ isn't the manager to lead the club forward it's up to the Board to find someone better. All I'm asking is that before they ditch Lee they have a better plan than they had when they sacked his father, who, for all his limitations, was comfortably one of the more successful managers City have had in the last 30 years.

SL admitted he took his eye off the ball at the time. 

Regardless of what happens now in respect of LJ, I don't think I'm the only one who felt we needed an experienced manager when SC left. It seems clear that the more experienced managers/coaches in this league have sussed LJ's limited knowledge out, and he is unable to tactility take us to another level.

 

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I'm not saying LJ should be sacked but our record at the moment is shocking and very worrying managers with less losses than him have already lost there jobs, my worry is judging by his comments we won't see many new players because he doesn't see much wrong with the team where as I and I think a lot of others think there is an awful lot wrong, I want him to turn things around but at the moment I can't see that he will

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6 minutes ago, Portland Bill said:

SL admitted he took his eye off the ball at the time. 

Regardless of what happens now in respect of LJ, I don't think I'm the only one who felt we needed an experienced manager when SC left. It seems clear that the more experienced managers/coaches in this league have sussed LJ's limited knowledge out, and he is unable to tactility take us to another level.

 

Can't disagree with any of that Bill. It's certainly not working at the moment. But I'm hoping SL's not going to take his eye off the ball again...and if he does then, sadly, the responsibility lies with him.

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8 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

I was describing the hoping LJ fails attitude as moronic. Which it is.

Not calling someone an imbecile for stating a fact.

I have not seen anybody in this thread "hoping" he fails. Just people seeing that he is failing.

So who are these moronic supporters? Aside this one person you mentioned.

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