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Major Isewater

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Ok , every vacancy that comes up is ' a job for Cotts ' , let's see who can come up with the best 'job  for Cotts ' in a realistic or funny way giving reasons for your choice .

I think he needs a club where he can dominate the  owner and be seen as the saviour.

I think he would do well at Oxford United , where they might even understand his accent .

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Mike Hunt-Hertz

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1 hour ago, Major Isewater said:

Ok , every vacancy that comes up is ' a job for Cotts ' , let's see who can come up with the best 'job  for Cotts ' in a realistic or funny way giving reasons for your choice .

I think he needs a club where he can dominate the  owner and be seen as the saviour.

I think he would do well at Oxford United , where they might even understand his accent .

I thought a new Scooby / Scrappy Doo film was in the offing.

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42 minutes ago, NOTBLUE said:

Was told by someone who has good inside contacts the R***** ,that he is being lined up as their next manager.Make of it what you will.

I just sent a text to check this out....the response makes me think there is some truth to it 'what R*vers want, and what R*vers get is two different things'

Good lord, please don't SC, unless you royally **** it up, just don't

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54 minutes ago, NOTBLUE said:

Was told by someone who has good inside contacts the R***** ,that he is being lined up as their next manager.Make of it what you will.

believe me, he won't go there if they moved heaven and earth.

they offered Scott Wagstaff a contract in the summer. He replied 'not a chance in hell'.

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30 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

How about the manager of a little known club called Bristol City? I know it's not possible due to broken relationships but I assure you he'd be doing better now than the current incumbent with the current squad. 

(Tin hat)

But he never would've worked with Ashton so he never would've been in a position to manage this squad of players.

'Cotts' actually held a door open for me the other day. If only he knew, eh?

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14 minutes ago, petehinton said:

believe me, he won't go there if they moved heaven and earth.

they offered Scott Wagstaff a contract in the summer. He replied 'not a chance in hell'.

Why wouldn't he? He still lives locally so wouldn't have to move house or uproot his kids if they're in school. If they offered him good money I reckon he'd love the opportunity to get one over on Lansdown/board by getting Rovers in the same league as us.

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50 minutes ago, petehinton said:

believe me, he won't go there if they moved heaven and earth.

they offered Scott Wagstaff a contract in the summer. He replied 'not a chance in hell'.

I loved Scotty, I love him a little more now

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40 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Why wouldn't he? He still lives locally so wouldn't have to move house or uproot his kids if they're in school. If they offered him good money I reckon he'd love the opportunity to get one over on Lansdown/board by getting Rovers in the same league as us.

As much as I think he's a turd, it'd be pretty harsh on DD after two straight promotions and what'll likely be a good solid position this year to be replaced. 

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2 hours ago, Fordy62 said:

How about the manager of a little known club called Bristol City? I know it's not possible due to broken relationships but I assure you he'd be doing better now than the current incumbent with the current squad. 

(Tin hat)

I imagine it would never happen after the way things ended, which in it's way is a shame, but understandable.

I've no idea if he would have kept us up; personally, I am very much in the same boat now as I was last year (like the gaffer, but results are bollocks; unsure if a change at the top will really make a difference), but it is hard to argue Cotts' time in change of us on the Championship was much cop.  We were pretty awful.

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

But he never would've worked with Ashton so he never would've been in a position to manage this squad of players.

That's the crux of it, really.  And though others seem to dislike him for some reason, Ashton hasn't done much wrong yet in my eyes, and might end up the most important figure at the club, beyond whoever is head coach.

Yes; folks might blame him for appointing LJ, but the goal was survival last year, and we managed that.  Plus, Ashton has helped bulk up a squad with decent additions, and if anything we're now possibly underachieving somewhat considering who he's brought in.

1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Why wouldn't he? He still lives locally so wouldn't have to move house or uproot his kids if they're in school. If they offered him good money I reckon he'd love the opportunity to get one over on Lansdown/board by getting Rovers in the same league as us.

I'm not sure Rovers could afford him.

Let's be honest here; wouldn't be the weirdest move, but when Rovers seem to still be shopping in what is very much the lower leagues for players, and Cotts' last efforts at recruitment were the likes of Dwight Gayle and Andre Gray, I'm not sure he's aiming for that type of gig.

Even in League One we spent relatively heavily to get promotion, and so I think the likes of Rovers who have limited scope to do that wouldn't be on his radar.

Plus, their gaffer might be an arse, but two promotions in two years, and a realistic shot at a third (typing that makes me feel dirty...) despite spending very little should by any metric make him one of the safest gaffers in the land, surely.

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2 hours ago, Fordy62 said:

How about the manager of a little known club called Bristol City? I know it's not possible due to broken relationships but I assure you he'd be doing better now than the current incumbent with the current squad. 

(Tin hat)

 

I don't want LJ gone but the club would be in such a better position if the club had actually backed SC instead of hanging him out to dry.

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2 hours ago, samo II said:

I imagine it would never happen after the way things ended, which in it's way is a shame, but understandable.

I've no idea if he would have kept us up; personally, I am very much in the same boat now as I was last year (like the gaffer, but results are bollocks; unsure if a change at the top will really make a difference), but it is hard to argue Cotts' time in change of us on the Championship was much cop.  We were pretty awful.

Yes; folks might blame him for appointing LJ, but the goal was survival last year, and we managed that.  Plus, Ashton has helped bulk up a squad with decent additions, and if anything we're now possibly underachieving somewhat considering who he's brought in.

 

I'm sure MA said the other day he interviewed LJ at SL's request.

I see that as more or less rubber stamping, so stretching it a bit to call LJ Ashton's appointment imo.

On your other highlighted point you could certainly say we're underachieving considering all the players brought in, and of course no guarantee things will improve over time, or with yet more signings. The huge influx under MA/LJ may never gel into a real team such as the spirited and contented squad we had the very real pleasure of supporting under Cotts. 

Signing new players should be exciting, but signing this many can have almost the opposite effect. As well as creating a bloated - yes, that word again - squad with the inevitability of numerous unhappy fringe players, as fans we see a City team going out on the pitch full of newcomers (sometimes themselves taking the place of other fairly recent arrivals that we've barely seen) that we hardly know and scarcely even recognise.

There comes a time when just signing more players because you can is not the answer imo.

 

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37 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

I'm sure MA said the other day he interviewed LJ at SL's request.

I see that as more or less rubber stamping, so stretching it a bit to call LJ Ashton's appointment imo.

On your other highlighted point you could certainly say we're underachieving considering all the players brought in, and of course no guarantee things will improve over time, or with yet more signings. The huge influx under MA/LJ may never gel into a real team such as the spirited and contented squad we had the very real pleasure of supporting under Cotts. 

Signing new players should be exciting, but signing this many can have almost the opposite effect. As well as creating a bloated - yes, that word again - squad with the inevitability of numerous unhappy fringe players, as fans we see a City team going out on the pitch full of newcomers (sometimes themselves taking the place of other fairly recent arrivals that we've barely seen) that we hardly know and scarcely even recognise.

There comes a time when just signing more players because you can is not the answer imo.

 

I missed that statement, so wasn't intent on "stretching" anything.

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5 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Wasn't meant to be a dig at you samo.

Apologies if it came over that way.

No problem.

And if he was suggesting that, I'll be honest; that's not ideal. Prefer he was given free reign to appoint who he believes will be best.

Worrying.

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5 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Why wouldn't he? He still lives locally so wouldn't have to move house or uproot his kids if they're in school. If they offered him good money I reckon he'd love the opportunity to get one over on Lansdown/board by getting Rovers in the same league as us.

He's still being paid for us and, as much as most of us love him, he has an ego. Rovers wouldn't stroke that ego. 

Still think it would take a Sheff Utd/Bolton esq club to move him. A big club/ground with pedigree. Wigan would be a good bet for me if they go down. He was still living (main home) in Cheltenham until he joined us. Uprooted and sold property over the country from stints at old clubs to settle in Clifton. We were his Real Madrid - there's a reason he's spotted in Cabot most days! 

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1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

I'm sure MA said the other day he interviewed LJ at SL's request.

I see that as more or less rubber stamping, so stretching it a bit to call LJ Ashton's appointment imo.

 

 

During the recruitment stage after Cotts was sacked, Ashton did an interview on RB in which he said "you'd be surprised who is interested in this job" in response to the suggestion that "big names" in football see Bristol as a backwater and are not interested in coming here. This gave the impression that some of the "big names" bandied about at the time were in the hat and being considered.

Very shortly after this - about two days - the Post reported that "SL was to oversee the recruitment of a new head coach" leaving the impression that Ashton had not been thinking along the lines SL had been thinking as far as head coach was concerned.

In May, SL was quoted in the Post: "He (LJ) is a very intelligent guy.......Keith Dawe and myself had always been in contact with him, even during the time he was at Oldham and Barnsley. He had always been on our radar as somebody we might want to bring to the football club at some time in the future.

When the opportunity arose we obviously thought of him but wondered whether it might not be a bit too soon for him. He convinced us it would not be and gave an impressive interview.

We gave Mark Ashton a brief to go and talk to Lee Johnson and he came back full of enthusiasm. The rest as they say is history."

So, that gut instinct of SL and KD - it might not be a bit too soon for him - was over-ruled by an "impressive interview." No surprise that MA rubber stamped LJ. He would not want to go against the wishes of his employers. Not at this point having just returned here. Perhaps he will the next time we are recruiting in this position.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Nice of you to confidently predict that an ex City player and son of a true City legend will fail...

Perhaps you're not aware of Spud's dislike of SC, to put it mildly! And his great affection for FGR. 

It was a joke, a leg pull, but there you go! :facepalm:

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2 hours ago, Carey 6 said:

I'd be gutted if he took over there. Love the bloke and reckon he'd get them promoted. 

Say it quietly, but I don't really think they are in need of a manager right now. More looking forward to ol' Dopey being lured away by a proper club tbh. As much as I dislike them, two promotions and now knocking on the play-offs in L1  isn't at all bad. Still optimistic that this is the best they could hope for, but in all honesty not sure. As for Steve Cotterill, he'll go out and find the ideal job when we stop paying him  I guess

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13 hours ago, Jack Dawe said:

During the recruitment stage after Cotts was sacked, Ashton did an interview on RB in which he said "you'd be surprised who is interested in this job" in response to the suggestion that "big names" in football see Bristol as a backwater and are not interested in coming here. This gave the impression that some of the "big names" bandied about at the time were in the hat and being considered.

Very shortly after this - about two days - the Post reported that "SL was to oversee the recruitment of a new head coach" leaving the impression that Ashton had not been thinking along the lines SL had been thinking as far as head coach was concerned.

In May, SL was quoted in the Post: "He (LJ) is a very intelligent guy.......Keith Dawe and myself had always been in contact with him, even during the time he was at Oldham and Barnsley. He had always been on our radar as somebody we might want to bring to the football club at some time in the future.

When the opportunity arose we obviously thought of him but wondered whether it might not be a bit too soon for him. He convinced us it would not be and gave an impressive interview.

We gave Mark Ashton a brief to go and talk to Lee Johnson and he came back full of enthusiasm. The rest as they say is history."

So, that gut instinct of SL and KD - it might not be a bit too soon for him - was over-ruled by an "impressive interview." No surprise that MA rubber stamped LJ. He would not want to go against the wishes of his employers. Not at this point having just returned here. Perhaps he will the next time we are recruiting in this position.

Let's be under no illusions here, no matter how important we (and even MA!) may think MA's role at the club is, the most important relationship at BCFC is the one between the owner SL and the manager/head coach. It must therefore still be the case that what SL says go, he owns the club after all. I cannot imagine any scenario in which MA would 'go against the wishes of his employers' in regard to the recruitment of a manager. He may express a different viewpoint (if he's brave!) but he would be overruled in any event by SL, if he had a strong feeling on who he wanted to be the next manager of the football club.

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20 hours ago, Fordy62 said:

How about the manager of a little known club called Bristol City? I know it's not possible due to broken relationships but I assure you he'd be doing better now than the current incumbent with the current squad. 

(Tin hat)

You mean Engvall wouldn't even get to sit on the unfilled bench???

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2 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Let's be under no illusions here, no matter how important we (and even MA!) may think MA's role at the club is, the most important relationship at BCFC is the one between the owner SL and the manager/head coach. It must therefore still be the case that what SL says go, he owns the club after all. I cannot imagine any scenario in which MA would 'go against the wishes of his employers' in regard to the recruitment of a manager. He may express a different viewpoint (if he's brave!) but he would be overruled in any event by SL, if he had a strong feeling on who he wanted to be the next manager of the football club.

I'm not so sure , SL has had his fingers burned more than once and that is why he brought in MA in the first place .

What would be the point of this if he does n't then take advice from the guy ? 

 

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On 09/01/2017 at 18:01, Nogbad the Bad said:

I'm sure MA said the other day he interviewed LJ at SL's request.

I see that as more or less rubber stamping, so stretching it a bit to call LJ Ashton's appointment imo.

No no no Nogbad

Did you not listen at the time ?

In the search for a new Head Coach the Club followed a diligent and thorough process to identify the best person for the job .... it just happened Lee came out top

 

if I recall correctly MA stated he made his recommendation to the board (Lj) and they followed it and appointed him

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