The Official Match Day Thread 6 - Reading v Bristol City

[ZiderEyed]

The only negatives to take away then, were us being a little bit sloppy in possession, and FD being crap again. Think he needs benching, give MT a go.

[CiderJar]

some highlights for you...

http://www.skysportsracing.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11027689/reading-0-1-bristol-city

[AppyDAZE]

3 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said:

The only negatives to take away then, were us being a little bit sloppy in possession, and FD being crap again. Think he needs benching, give MT a go.

Bloke on R Bristol, one of the regulars said we were crap more or less and that Baker shouldve walked first half

Edited September 9, 2017 by AppyDAZE

[ZiderEyed]

2 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

Bloke on R Bristol, one of the regulars said we were crap more or less and that baker shouldve walked first half

Where do they get them from? I thought Barrow Gurney was closed down.

[shelts]

27 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said:

We are doing the basics right. Nothing that will cost you a fortune if you are not stupid.

Not all about tricks n flicks . Do the basics . 

[AppyDAZE]

4 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said:

The only negatives to take away then, were us being a little bit sloppy in possession, and FD being crap again. Think he needs benching, give MT a go.

Not sure where we are with MT. Seems a mile away from the side, shame if you ask me

[downendcity]

54 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said:

Another total shit corner, Heard of top spin?

Mark Ashton and Lee Johnson have!

 

[ZiderEyed]

3 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

Not sure where we are with MT. Seems a mile away from the side, shame if you ask me

Maybe I'm on my own in thinking this, but I felt he was instrumental in keeping us up last year, I've no idea why he seems so far away from the first team.

[cidered abroad]

17 minutes ago, INCRED said:

He did ok and was up against a quick opponent who caused him problems and maybe needs some coaching on positioning in certain scenarios such as today but didn't let anyone down

Thanks. He will take time to adjust to the extra pace and quality.

And Joe was injured late on so it could be that we go to Molineux with Vyner and Kelly at full back.

We got three points today however Vyner played and that is three more than I expected from Reading and Wolves. Let's be positive after a good away win at a tough place to get points.

COYREDS

[AppyDAZE]

3 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said:

Maybe I'm on my own in thinking this, but I felt he was instrumental in keeping us up last year, I've no idea why he seems so far away from the first team.

No, you're not. i was impressed with his team play just needed more goals but i believe they woiuld come. i still do

[ever-red]

£5 accumulator Brighton/Charlton/Blackburn/Accrington/Exeter all winning needed one more for £842 thank you flinty

[downendcity]

43 minutes ago, Juan Kerr said:

I can go to work now, with a boner.

Hope your not  vicar at a funeral ( or a wedding).

[ZiderEyed]

2 minutes ago, downendcity said:

Hope your not  vicar at a funeral ( or a wedding).

Or a primary school teacher, nude model, or samaritan!

[EstoniaTallinnRed]

4 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said:

Maybe I'm on my own in thinking this, but I felt he was instrumental in keeping us up last year, I've no idea why he seems so far away from the first team.

I can't understand why either, he was co commentating on RB before the International break and said that he was back in training.  Perhaps he has had a relapse.

[ZiderEyed]

2 minutes ago, EstoniaTallinnRed said:

I can't understand why either, he was co commentating on RB before the International break and said that he was back in training.  Perhaps he has had a relapse.

Could well be, I'd imagine the theory was give FD some game time, let him acclimatise, and you couldn't really drop Bobby. I'd hope we're being patient with FD, but there comes a time. I think in a perfect world, we'd have a big man in Đurić or Diedhou alongside Reid or Taylor, a runner and someone to win flick ons.

[AppyDAZE]

LJ (R BRistol) "I told Flinty it's Bailey's place...

Flinty "what if I score a hat trick?

Edited September 9, 2017 by AppyDAZE

[Esmond Million's Bung]

21 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said:

I'm comfy keeping Vyner as Pisano's understudy, he can only get better and he looks set to be a good player. Agree on LJ though, everything was spot on today.

Well on today's showing he is a long way from being championship ready, we got away with such a poor performance today, but we can't keep relying on luck, it's a pity because he is obviously a talent.

[Aizoon]

Very satisfying to have Flinty back and scoring. Party tonight?

[Wilse]

3 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

LJ (R BRistol) "I told Flinty it's Bailey's place...

I thought that was a strange comment. Could have a negative affect on Flint's motivation in the future. 

[ZiderEyed]

3 minutes ago, Wilse said:

I thought that was a strange comment. Could have a negative affect on Flint's motivation in the future. 

Think it was probably poor phrasing or quoted badly. It was his place based on his performances, and the fact that he is our captain.

[ZiderEyed]

2 minutes ago, tinman85 said:

Flint has to play after that. 

Totally agree, cant drop him after that.

[Nogbad the Bad]

3 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

LJ (R BRistol) "I told Flinty it's Bailey's place...

Not good, why would he say that? 

Surely if anyone comes in and does well they should keep that place?

Where's the incentive in knowing however well you play you are only filling in until the manager's no.1 choice is ready to return?

When exactly did it become 'Baileys place' anyway?

After a great win that's a really disappointing comment from LJ.

 

 

[BRISTOL86]

3 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Not good, why would he say that? 

Surely if anyone comes in and does well they should keep that place?

Where's the incentive in knowing however well you play you are only filling in until the manager's no.1 choice is ready to return?

When exactly did it become 'Baileys place' anyway?

After a great win that's a really disappointing comment from LJ.

 

 

Not sure what the problem is. He's told a player who hasn't been involved that it's someone else's to lose - and so it should be when the other player has been looking for a move away.

Flint has done what he can do to change the managers plans. 

As usual looking to find something to moan about when thing are are going well. 

[Lew-T]

4 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

Why do you feel the need to tell us this so often..?! 

High horse appears again..

[cityexile]

3 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Not good, why would he say that? 

Surely if anyone comes in and does well they should keep that place?

Where's the incentive in knowing however well you play you are only filling in until the manager's no.1 choice is ready to return?

When exactly did it become 'Baileys place' anyway?

After a great win that's a really disappointing comment from LJ.

 

 

I agree in black and white it looks odd.

However, most communication is non verbal, and we do not know about tone, the body language at the the time, that kind of thing. Maybe it was a 'it's currently Baileys place, go take it away from him' kind of statement?

[Fiale]

Bobbys run to set up Paterson - he is on fire atm

[AppyDAZE]

6 minutes ago, cityexile said:

I agree in black and white it looks odd.

However, most communication is non verbal, and we do not know about tone, the body language at the the time, that kind of thing. Maybe it was a 'it's currently Baileys place, go take it away from him' kind of statement?

It was all good humoured. Lee went on to say "if you score a hat trick, i'll play you up front". it was nothing really, just a nice little dilemma.

That said, it did sound like Lee wants Bailey back in.. and in a way Bailey is commited to the club. As good as Flint is, he wanted out

Edited September 9, 2017 by AppyDAZE

[INCRED]

19 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Well on today's showing he is a long way from being championship ready, we got away with such a poor performance today, but we can't keep relying on luck, it's a pity because he is obviously a talent.

Not sure you could call it a poor performance having watched the game 

both teams had spells of possession and chances and we took one of ours and they didn't 

we pressed well as a team and tactically the lads managed the game well not to mention that we won and got 3 points

suppose there is no pleasing some people?

[Wanderingred]

"Here's where I jinx it but, looking at the Bristol City squad - there's not really anyone that looks of any real quality. I know they relied heavily on Tammy Abraham last season and now they have Jamie Paterson who looked promising at Forest but seems to have fallen away...the rest seem like mediocre level players who would struggle to get anywhere near our first XI."

Ooops!!! Jynx it he most certainly did!

http://hobnob.royals.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=138272&start=20

 

Edited September 9, 2017 by Wanderingred

[AppyDAZE]

3 minutes ago, INCRED said:

Not sure you could call it a poor performance having watched the game 

both teams had spells of possession and chances and we took one of ours and they didn't 

we pressed well as a team and tactically the lads managed the game well not to mention that we won and got 3 points

suppose there is no pleasing some people?

and Pato should've buried his chance. Can't complain we took the points, the home side is entitled to the better of it. Cracking win.

[Septic Peg]

Positives:

• Frankie kept a clean sheet
• Bakes and Flinty worked well
• Flinty scored 
• Vyner had a run out even if he didn't play well
• Korey had a stormer

 

From this, I surmise that both Flint and Korey will start v Wolves. Probably Eliasson and Leko too. If Korey has a shocker in the 1st half, swap for Pack. Brownhill to stay CM. Pisano should start as was only precautionary keeping him off today and if Joe can't play, Maggs can play LB with Kelly on the bench.

Famara to play 45mins and then swap with Matty at HT. Reid up front also.

[steviestevieneville]

1 hour ago, AppyDAZE said:

Another argument, I know.. but how does the captain get back in the side?

LJ said on the radio he told flint he was coming in for this game. Flint said, what if i score a hatrick and LJ said he'd put him up front

[Show Me The Money!]

56 minutes ago, Midlands Robin said:

Off to the shops to buy cider.

Great win. 

And if we'd lost?

[AppyDAZE]

haha Gargoyle Zach Clough subbed for Forest 1st half, on the bench shaking his head. Bullet dodged there

Edited September 9, 2017 by AppyDAZE

[AppyDAZE]

3 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said:

And if we'd lost?

two crates instead of the one?

[1891 B.C. Sweden]

1 hour ago, Show Me The Money! said:

Poor boy looks like Cletus from the Simpsons.

Not that I care right now

Flint

 

 

Cletus

 

Edited September 9, 2017 by 1891 B.C. Sweden

[Nogbad the Bad]

16 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Not sure what the problem is. He's told a player who hasn't been involved that it's someone else's to lose - and so it should be when the other player has been looking for a move away.

Flint has done what he can do to change the managers plans. 

As usual looking to find something to moan about when thing are are going well. 

No 'problem', just giving my view on what LJ said.

You'd do well to leave out unnecessary and irritating personal comments like that one at the end B86, hardly going to encourage other posters to converse with you.

[steviestevieneville]

46 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

Bloke on R Bristol, one of the regulars said we were crap more or less and that Baker shouldve walked first half

That was nttds

[BCFC Grim]

12 minutes ago, INCRED said:

Not sure you could call it a poor performance having watched the game 

both teams had spells of possession and chances and we took one of ours and they didn't 

we pressed well as a team and tactically the lads managed the game well not to mention that we won and got 3 points

suppose there is no pleasing some people?

I assume he was talking about Vyners performance?

[ZiderEyed]

Hate losing to those airheads. Oh well...

Some of them ain't best pleased by that 

[AppyDAZE]

4 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

That was nttds

the North Texas Traditional Dance Society?

Never knew they cared

[cidered abroad]

33 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Well on today's showing he is a long way from being championship ready, we got away with such a poor performance today, but we can't keep relying on luck, it's a pity because he is obviously a talent.

You have to give youngsters time. Do you think Gerry Gow was given "legend" status in his early days. My goodness, he was raw but we could see the talent. If any Academy player can get 6-10 starts in a season early on in their career, it pays dividends later when they become established.

Look at it this way, everyone on here knows my views on LJ, but would you prefer that he played a thirty year old reserve, if we had such a thing, or helped another youngster on the pathway to maturity? The answer is a no brainer.

And ask all his team mates how Zak did today and they'll be singing his praises because they went through the sort of game he had at the start of their careers. Take the positives from it and work on the things not done so well. 

[BRISTOL86]

17 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

No 'problem', just giving my view on what LJ said.

You'd do well to leave out unnecessary and irritating personal comments like that one at the end B86, hardly going to encourage other posters to converse with you.

Just got a fantastic result and your first reaction is to look for a problem where there isn't one. 

It absolutely should be Bailey's position to lose after Flint's representatives made it clear that they wanted to look for an opportunity elsewhere. Flint has done all he can to put himself in contention and he himself would be the first to admit that it's up to him to work himself back into contention. 

[chinapig]

9 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said:

It absolutely should be Bailey's position to lose after Flint's representatives made it clear that they wanted to look for an opportunity elsewhere. Flint has done all he can to put himself in contention and he himself would be the first to admit that it's up to him to work himself back into contention. 

Indeed, which is exactly what has said himself.

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

1 hour ago, JustinCider said:

I always do

 

 

but then, I am an international pornstar

Any, errrm, openings?

[Offside]

Excellent win today. Glad we've got an away victory chalked up.

[Corsham Ed]

9 hours ago, Corsham Ed said:

Treating the wife to a day out at the Madejski. What a good husband I am

 

May have to take her again. Could be my lucky charm.

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

1 hour ago, ZiderEyed said:

Or a primary school teacher, nude model, or samaritan!

Fortunately for young children, budding artists or counsellors, I work in the relatively benign environment of a gurt chemical works. Have to watch the caustic soda or phosphorous acid doesn`t get near my Hampton, though.

[finbarr_in_z]

9 hours ago, Sergio Georgini said:

3 things guaranteed in life. Death, taxes and a Bristol City loss to Reading.

We win.

HMRC been investigating me for 4 years yet no prosecution (yet).

Looks like I'm going to live for ever

[INCRED]

51 minutes ago, Wanderingred said:

"Here's where I jinx it but, looking at the Bristol City squad - there's not really anyone that looks of any real quality. I know they relied heavily on Tammy Abraham last season and now they have Jamie Paterson who looked promising at Forest but seems to have fallen away...the rest seem like mediocre level players who would struggle to get anywhere near our first XI."

Ooops!!! Jynx it he most certainly did!

http://hobnob.royals.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=138272&start=20

 

A team of cohesive energetic players with ability usually come out on top against a group of talented individuals

[OldlandReddies]

1 1/2 points per game from first 6. Keep that up and we wont be far off prayoffs. 

[JoeAman08]

I've not read most of this as on the way back but I'll give some of my thoughts anyway. Thought we were good today. First half quite boring and wasteful from us. What really impressed me is a very young attack and midfield grow in confidence against a top championship side. Lucky to win but even some passing reading fans were impressed with our passing and movement second half. 

Another thing that made me smile was watching 2.5m worth of wingers in Callum O'Dowda and Jamie Paterson matchup with 12m of wingers in Barrow and Aluko. Aluko much like Paterson. Works hard finding pockets of space and making things happen cutting inside. While Barrow  showing similarities with COD by taking players on and using pace to get into good areas. You know what else? He doesn't have much end product either. I'm quite happy with the pair of them and can't wait to see what Eliasson brings. Anyway, think they had decent enough games between them. 

The back 4 was strong especially Flint through his left side. Vyner ok but he doesn't have much experience and wasn't embarrassed or anything. It'll be vital for his growth. Joe Bryan looks every bit a top LB. Good to see Flint in there. So much more dangerous on set pieces with him out there. 

Korey and Brownhill strong pairing. Prefer it to Pack and Smith. Think Brownhill needs to be the partner to either. Maybe depends on matchup. Good choice today. 

Fam has his own thread. Doesn't need much more attention. Hope he gets acclimated soon. Thought Bobby was outstanding second half in particular. He not only links the play well but our best threat in behind. Makes so many clever runs and many don't get found. Just harasses CBs and keepers on the ball. Never stops running. Quickly becoming one of my favourites. Always rated him but the position change has highlighted his best attributes. 

Leko looks a bundle of energy when he gets on the ball. Maybe to the point of overconfidence. Gave one away around out box but didn't cost us. Not afraid to take players on(successfully I might add) and quite strong on the ball. Came on as a striker but looks a winger to me. Not had any time with us so solid enough debut. 

LJ got tactics spot on imo. Reading never really threatened outside of counter attacks and that was remedied after HT. Think we are seeing a good manager blossom in front of us and a young team doing the same. I don't know where we'll sit in the table come end of the season but I'd be surprised if it was anywhere outside of 12th. So solid defensively and growing confindence in our ability on the ball. 

[AppyDAZE]

1 hour ago, downendcity said:

Hope your not  vicar at a funeral ( or a wedding).

A hard job at the best of times.

[Bar BS3]

1 hour ago, Lew-T said:

High horse appears again..

Do you know what "high horse" means..?!

[Rossi the Robin]

Jaap Stam very complimentary about LJ's tactics and players 

 

[One BCFC]

Big fan of Jaap Stam after what he has had to say, touch of class.

However absolutely delighted to put one over them, they are like Swindon Town but a bit more up themselves and full of plastic fans. Love that City 

.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

3 hours ago, INCRED said:

Not sure you could call it a poor performance having watched the game 

both teams had spells of possession and chances and we took one of ours and they didn't 

we pressed well as a team and tactically the lads managed the game well not to mention that we won and got 3 points

suppose there is no pleasing some people?

Not sure what you are banging on about mate, my post if you had bothered to actually read what it was in reply to you have seen it was specifically about Vyner's performance and nothing else, certainly not about our general performance.

Suppose there is no pleasing some people who don't fully read posts and their context?.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

2 hours ago, cidered abroad said:

You have to give youngsters time. Do you think Gerry Gow was given "legend" status in his early days. My goodness, he was raw but we could see the talent. If any Academy player can get 6-10 starts in a season early on in their career, it pays dividends later when they become established.

Look at it this way, everyone on here knows my views on LJ, but would you prefer that he played a thirty year old reserve, if we had such a thing, or helped another youngster on the pathway to maturity? The answer is a no brainer.

And ask all his team mates how Zak did today and they'll be singing his praises because they went through the sort of game he had at the start of their careers. Take the positives from it and work on the things not done so well. 

The thing is I can accept a young players making the odd mistake, but today he looked totally out of his depth, that is the difference.

[INCRED]

25 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Not sure what you are banging on about mate, my post if you had bothered to actually read what it was in reply to you have seen it was specifically about Vyner's performance and nothing else, certainly not about our general performance.

Suppose there is no pleasing some people who don't fully read posts and their context?.

Perhaps you need to add the quote you are referring to then mate!!!

[elhombrecito]

https://www.readingfc.co.uk/news/2017/september/Stam-frustrated-by-our-failure-to-finish-chances/

Reading manager Jaap Stam is thankfully unaccustomed to reflecting on Madejski Stadium defeats - but Bristol City's late winner inflicted our first home loss since January!

"Very frustrating," he began. "We were facing an opposition who wanted to make it difficult for us, by going forward, being aggressive and pressing high up the pitch to prevent us from playing and they didn't let us get into our comfort zone so at times we had difficulties in getting control of the game.

"But overall, in the amount of oportunities we created to score, I think we should have won this game - which we didn't! And that's what makes it frustrating. 

"We had plenty of opportunities. But it's all about scoring. It's a cliche, but so many times you see games where a team has lots of chances but doesn't finish them off and then the opposition eventually scores and that's it. 

"In having possesison, creating good opportunities, we played well. But you need to score...and we didn't."

Perhaps the game could have swung on a decision to only show a yellow card to Nathan Baker after he scythed down Mo Barrow as he burst clean through on goal before half-time. "From my point of view it was a red card," Stam said.

"He was through. And if he wasn't being fouled, he could have gone in one on one with the goalkeeper and he could have scored.

"I don't know how it looked from the stands, but it looked like a red card to me. But it's not up to me, and the referee has to make a decision quickly so it's not easy for him as well. But you've seen the pace Mo has, no-one would have tracked him."

And as Frank Fielding made a few sharp stops and the Royals missed a flurry of second half chances, the longer the game remained goalless, the longer the result remained in doubt.

"It is very hard not to give anything away against opposition with quality. They had one big chance in the first half and one good opportunity second half and then they were a threat from set pieces and that final chance, a ball falls in between from a set piece and they score from it - so maybe three chances in total!

"So it feels harsh that we lost, and it's not nice - especially at home. We created the chances, but we need to work on tapping them in. Because it's about scoring goals and we didn't do that.

"We could have played a bit better, but with what we did it should have been enough to win the match. However, if you don't finish your chances you don't get the three points. And everyone in the dressing room is disappointed."

[downendcity]

4 hours ago, Juan Kerr said:

I can go to work now, with a boner.

If you've got a game tomorrow you are in the stiffs.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

18 minutes ago, INCRED said:

Perhaps you need to add the quote you are referring to then mate!!!

I think that an urgent trip ti specsavers should be a priority 'mate', post #575 the quote is linked to my reply, if that is not enough evidence for you  post #600 even worked it out for you.

Edited September 9, 2017 by Esmond Million's Bung

[Malago]

1 hour ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

The thing is I can accept a young players making the odd mistake, but today he looked totally out of his depth, that is the difference.

If he was totally out of his depth, how come we kept a clean sheet?

[RumRed]

6 minutes ago, Malago said:

If he was totally out of his depth, how come we kept a clean sheet?

Reading's inability to shoot would be my guess.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

12 minutes ago, Malago said:

If he was totally out of his depth, how come we kept a clean sheet?

What a strange post, but here goes, because the other 3 defenders and the goalkeeper were on the top of their game + what @RumRed said.

7 minutes ago, RumRed said:

Reading's inability to shoot would be my guess.

 

[Lew-T]

3 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

Do you know what "high horse" means..?!

Bar BS3..?!

[reddoh]

8 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said:

I'm going to make a cup of tea…

no milk no sugar

[Cidre Monita]

11 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Just got a fantastic result and your first reaction is to look for a problem where there isn't one. 

It absolutely should be Bailey's position to lose after Flint's representatives made it clear that they wanted to look for an opportunity elsewhere. Flint has done all he can to put himself in contention and he himself would be the first to admit that it's up to him to work himself back into contention. 

Flint was told he had to move. Stop talking such crap. 

[BRISTOL86]

2 hours ago, Psychopomp said:

Flint was told he had to move. Stop talking such crap. 

Flint was told he would be sold if the right offer came in, after his representatives made it clear they would be looking around to see if they could get a better deal somewhere else. 

I have nothing against Aden Flint and don't begrudge that. But it's not 'crap' as you so eloquently put it, it's fact. 

[Malago]

9 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

What a strange post, but here goes, because the other 3 defenders and the goalkeeper were on the top of their game + what @RumRed said.

 

No, that's not possible.  No defence can carry a passenger.  The fact is, for reasons only known to yourself, you've got it in for the lad.  He's a young man finding his way in the world of pro football who came in at the last minute to replace an experienced player.  Nobody here is suggesting he's the finished article or he should keep his place when Pisano is fit.  However, he played his part in Winning at a ground where we historically do poorly.  If you're not impressed by his performance that's your problem not Zak Vyner's.

My guess is he got high fives from his team mates and the management team in the dressing room, who would have been delighted by his performance.