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15 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

Thought he looked class when he came on. Really happy for him. **** me we were good second half 

YES WE WERE. Not bad first half either

3 in 7 for our misfiring forward who has a strike partner that is the divisions leading scorer...

Nice day!

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11 minutes ago, samo II said:

Three in nine appearances (including cups), which is a pretty standard ratio for an striker.

Here's to him building on this moving forwards.

So getting promoted from crap to standard....Only way is up!:yes:

I wonder what are leading scorer thinks of him. (seriously I do wonder)

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9 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

So getting promoted from crap to standard....Only way is up!:yes:

I wonder what are leading scorer thinks of him. (seriously I do wonder)

Bobby's got seven in 10, so together they have 10 between them, which is great work.

Add in the fact Woodrow has now got off the mark, our midfielders and defenders are chipping in, and both Taylor and Đurić have yet to really get involved, and I think it's safe to say we've got some threat on the side this year.

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3 minutes ago, samo II said:

Bobby's got seven in 10, so together they have 10 between them, which is great work.

Add in the fact Woodrow has now got off the mark, our midfielders and defenders are chipping in, and both Taylor and Đurić have yet to really get involved, and I think it's safe to say we've got some threat on the side this year.

Yes very positive. Just heard we have scored more than Leeds on the radio...Great stuff!

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He scored.

Shaun Goater (a hero!) was horse shit at times, but at the end of the season, no matter the cub, no matter the level, it would read goals 20+.

I dont think he's as talented as Tammy, but if scores, then job done.

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3 minutes ago, 054123 said:

.I dont think he's as talented as Tammy, but if scores, then job done.

I think this is a big part of the issue. Naturally he's going to be compared to Abraham but probably shouldn't be. Wilbraham would probably be a better point of comparison given his role and style.

In our set up, Reid is our primary goal scorer so really it's him who should be 'compared' with Abraham.. even his role is different to Tammy's.

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9 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Only 2 teams in the league have scored more than we have so far.

I'd rather have a team that score 80 with the top scorer having 12 than a team that score 70 with someone prolific notching 25. 

We had one of the most natural finishers in England leading the line last year and barely avoided relegation. In 07/08 we had Darren Byfield and were 90 mins from the Premier League.

Funny old game. 

Make that no teams in the league :) 

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13 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Very good today. I felt he was better than Woodrow in his cameo. Spooks the opposition with his size and athleticism. Brilliantly taken goal too, was a tricky finish. 

Its a funny old game and as managers say everyone has an opinion never the same !  I thought Woodrow did the basics better than Fammy, but I agree he took his goal well.  I note on the radio LJ told his players before the game who will be starting against Stoke. Woodrow or Tammy, or neither ? 

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7 minutes ago, DT The Optimist said:

Its a funny old game and as managers say everyone has an opinion never the same !  I thought Woodrow did the basics better than Fammy, but I agree he took his goal well.  I note on the radio LJ told his players before the game who will be starting against Stoke. Woodrow or Tammy, or neither ? 

I thought Woodrow was good and probably was a bit 'tidier' in possession.. but I felt Famara spooked the defenders more and is more threatening.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Taylor to get gametime against Stoke.. Woodrow is cup tied anyway.

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7 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I thought Woodrow was good and probably was a bit 'tidier' in possession.. but I felt Famara spooked the defenders more and is more threatening.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Taylor to get gametime against Stoke.. Woodrow is cup tied anyway.

True, just noted that  Woodrow is cup tied on his interview on the main site.  Looks like Taylor will get some game time !

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He was superb today. He came on against a defence that had been run ragged for 65 mins and to then be up against his strength and power must of been a nightmare. Great confidence boost for the lad. Great sub by LJ and the finish was top drawer. 

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16 minutes ago, Tomarse said:

He was superb today. He came on against a defence that had been run ragged for 65 mins and to then be up against his strength and power must of been a nightmare. Great confidence boost for the lad. Great sub by LJ and the finish was top drawer. 

Aside from his very first involvement, which was a very heavy first touch followed by an awful hospital pass, he was really excellent, providing an assist for Paterson's free kick and then scoring a superb goal.

As an aside I liked Woodrow's contribution, too, he did a lot of hard running, held the ball up very well and scored a good goal. He looked a very useful alternative to our clear first choice front pairing of Diedhiou and Reid..

 

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23 minutes ago, Tomarse said:

He was superb today. He came on against a defence that had been run ragged for 65 mins and to then be up against his strength and power must of been a nightmare. Great confidence boost for the lad. Great sub by LJ and the finish was top drawer. 

Definitely the best we have seen from him. He won several balls in the air and laid them off neatly on almost every occasion.

What I really liked was yhe way he was celebrating on the bench when Woodrow scored.

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45 minutes ago, Tomarse said:

He was superb today. He came on against a defence that had been run ragged for 65 mins and to then be up against his strength and power must of been a nightmare. Great confidence boost for the lad. Great sub by LJ and the finish was top drawer. 

Definitely the best we have seen from him. He won several balls in the air and laid them off neatly on almost every occasion.

What I really liked was yhe way he was celebrating on the bench when Woodrow scored.

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To be fair, if we were introducing a youngster into Championship football, we'd start off with sub appearances, we wouldn't want to just chuck them in at the deep end ideally. Why should we treat Fam any differently just because he cost a huge fee? 

I'd be happy for him to be a second half sub for the next few games where his physicality should outweigh his deficiencies whilst he gets used to our league.

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47 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Aside from his very first involvement, which was a very heavy first touch followed by an awful hospital pass, he was really excellent, providing an assist for Paterson's free kick and then scoring a superb goal.

As an aside I liked Woodrow's contribution, too, he did a lot of hard running, held the ball up very well and scored a good goal. He looked a very useful alternative to our clear first choice front pairing of Diedhiou and Reid..

 

I completely agree. I thought he had a terrific game and really deserved his goal. If that flicked back heel had gone in we`d be thinking we`d signed a gem.

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20 hours ago, DT The Optimist said:

Very true. Everyone wants the guy to do well. Today he's been benched. Not surprised. Interesting to see how Woodrow performs 

Benched?  Rotated with the fact that Woodrow can't play Tuesday. 

19 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

After scoring on Tuesday ! 

Indeed. Good call from LJ. Players chomping at the bit to play well in the hope of getting more minutes or establishing themselves as first choice. Players needing a bit of a recharge. 

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Somehow he seemed slimmer when he first came on.  Can't believe he's lost a few pounds in a few weeks since I've seen him play?!?

And, he definitely got better after his goal.  That is, his confidence was much improved and defenders bounced off him.

I expect he will start against Stoke.

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5 minutes ago, Chivs said:

Somehow he seemed slimmer when he first came on.  Can't believe he's lost a few pounds in a few weeks since I've seen him play?!?

And, he definitely got better after his goal.  That is, his confidence was much improved and defenders bounced off him.

I expect he will start against Stoke.

I hope he does. He looked full of energy, lively, a definite improvement on a few weeks ago. First touch could use a bit of work still, but he ran their defence ragged. He really impressed me yesterday, I hope he continues in the vein.

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I said when he signed and not changed my opinions - think he will score some eye catching / spectacular type of goals rather than be a regular / poacher type of scorer , but get us the odd goal from nothing

A good compliment to Bobby in many ways

Still think the best is yet to come and despite some of his product to date, when settled and up to the pace and physicality of the Championship ,  I still have a strong suspicion he's going to be exciting and a big hit 

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I would imagine that the pace and physicality of the championship are completely different than what he experienced in French football.

Accordingly, you would expect him take a little time to adjust and find his feet. If the last couple of months have been his period of adjustment, during which time he has contributed to a very good start to the season by the team, then I am not unhappy with his progress.

Others have commented that he seemed to get more confident after scoring the pen at Wolves, and hopefully yesterdays scoring cameo will give him a further boost. Strikers thrive on confidence - see Bobby Reid for proof - so lets hope a confident Fammy and Bobby ill go on to cause problems for opposition defences throughout the season.

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15 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Aside from his very first involvement, which was a very heavy first touch followed by an awful hospital pass, he was really excellent, providing an assist for Paterson's free kick and then scoring a superb goal.

As an aside I liked Woodrow's contribution, too, he did a lot of hard running, held the ball up very well and scored a good goal. He looked a very useful alternative to our clear first choice front pairing of Diedhiou and Reid..

 

And we've still got Đurić to come back. 

Genuine options! 

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I think you have to put to one side his price tag. Strikers are the most overvalued players in a ridiculously overvalued marketplace.

When he came on yesterday, he held up the ball and released it for Bobby, worried their defence and made good runs - dragging men with him to give space to our attacking midfielders. His first touch is, frankly, poor, but his goal against Carson and the penalty he took, show he has a cool head when he can see the net. 

I think he's an asset to the team, particularly in the absence of Đurić, who fulfills a similar role.

i'll leave debating over whether we should have paid £5.2m for him, to hindsight.

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3 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

I think you have to put to one side his price tag. Strikers are the most overvalued players in a ridiculously overvalued marketplace.

When he came on yesterday, he held up the ball and released it for Bobby, worried their defence and made good runs - dragging men with him to give space to our attacking midfielders. His first touch is, frankly, poor, but his goal against Carson and the penalty he took, show he has a cool head when he can see the net. 

I think he's an asset to the team, particularly in the absence of Đurić, who fulfills a similar role.

i'll leave debating over whether we should have paid £5.2m for him, to hindsight.

I'm probably the only one but he reminds me of Harry Kane. Not exactly like him but similar size and strength. Think his goals come in similar fashion. Not one to create loads of space but when he does have space will find the side netting often. Watching him after the goal, his touches got a bit better. A few more goals behind him I think he'll really start feeling up for it. Don't think we utilise him the way he'd prefer but was really useful yesterday. Hope he keeps it up 

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12 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

I'm probably the only one but he reminds me of Harry Kane. Not exactly like him but similar size and strength. Think his goals come in similar fashion. Not one to create loads of space but when he does have space will find the side netting often. Watching him after the goal, his touches got a bit better. A few more goals behind him I think he'll really start feeling up for it. Don't think we utilise him the way he'd prefer but was really useful yesterday. Hope he keeps it up 

Indeed. He's always tired a bit over 90 minutes, so bringing him on as a super sub was just what the doctor ordered. It kept Derby on their toes at a time when they'd started to push up.

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Between Reid, Taylor, Fam, Woodrow and Đurić we have a nice range of strikers to test opposition defences with, and across the course of the season I think all of them will have their part to play.

Be interesting to see what happens Tuesday, as would imagine we might see Taylor and Fammy up top to start; could be quite an industrious combo.

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48 minutes ago, samo II said:

Between Reid, Taylor, Fam, Woodrow and Đurić we have a nice range of strikers to test opposition defences with, and across the course of the season I think all of them will have their part to play.

Be interesting to see what happens Tuesday, as would imagine we might see Taylor and Fammy up top to start; could be quite an industrious combo.

... and not one of them a proven championship goalscorer.

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2 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

.....and ironically we are the leagues top scorers after 8 games!!!

I commented last season about Tomlin, that the best team is not necessarily made up of the best players.

This season, without arguably the most talented player we've had for a few seasons, we look a far better team.

Individually our strikers might not be on paper the best in the division, but as part of the team LJ has put together, and the way we are now playing, they all work well.

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5 minutes ago, downendcity said:

... and not one of them a proven championship goalscorer.

Yes, people were demanding we signed one as if there are loads around or one of the few there actually are would sign for us.

The answer to replacing Tammy was always a combination of conceding fewer goals and more players contributing to us scoring.

Though by the end of the season Bobby could be a proven Championship goalscorer in his own right.

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On 09/09/2017 at 16:11, Andy082005 said:

Sadly it's become an all to familiar story with this manager. He has wasted so much money on players it's hard to believe. He has to be the most well supported manager financially in our history and he has done absolutely nothing to improve this squad.

He really is a poor forward. Even players who need time to bed in show some signs of making an impression...

I've seen nothing so far from this guy that says to me he will become a player worth £5

:facepalm:

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On 10/09/2017 at 00:52, Engvall's Splinter said:

Very much early days yet at the games I've seen I'm unsure what he is as a centre forward. Not great in the air, not your hold up the ball sort of centre forward, doesn't run in behind, not a fox in the box - unsure of his moulds at the mo. Hopefully comes good, but at the mo a little bit lost as to why we've spent 5m on the chap. 

:facepalm:

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2 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

This thread is going to be dragged out every time he scores.

I wonder if Famara can make some kind of OTIB record and keep it on the first few pages for the whole season?!

Could well be in the classics soon..... :whistle:

I hope so!!!

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I can certainly see why people would have had concern over his first few performances although it's obviously far too early to make a definitive judgement. The last couple of games have been encouraging, let's hope it's a sign of things to come.

Let's have it right though, there's a minority who were absolutely relishing the prospect of this going wrong, as it's another stick to beat the manager with. You know the ones, they struggle to give him even the most grudging praise when things go well.

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12 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

This thread is going to be dragged out every time he scores.

I wonder if Famara can make some kind of OTIB record and keep it on the first few pages for the whole season?!

Could well be in the classics soon..... :whistle:

Hopefully yes,

i wish people would give players a chance,

i seem to remember a very similar thread about Kodja as well

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This thread did two things I can't stand - make a damning judgement far too early about a player, and claim that said player is not "worth" whatever money is spent on him. 

Can we stop this now he's scored against a defence containing defenders like huge prospect Zouma and Dutch international Martins-Indi?

 

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8 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Let's have it right though, there's a minority who were absolutely relishing the prospect of this going wrong, as it's another stick to beat the manager with. You know the ones, they struggle to give him even the most grudging praise when things go well.

So true - sad really.

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4 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Good to see him on the score sheet again, he certainly seems to have that all important knack of scoring.

The usual sad little trolls aside, it would be interesting to hear from the more mature and sensible posters how he played overall this evening?

I wasn't there Kid but I listened to the Stoke commentary and they were full of praise for him and Taylor, said how much their defence was struggling with their movement.

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