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Tinmans Love Child

Tinmans Love Child

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23 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said:

Maybe, but if so, what could have caused it?

Someone with the wrong DNA?

I like to think of Mark Ashton stealing DNA samples from a secret island in Costa Rica (where apparently they are creating old dead footballers) smuggling the samples out in a fake shaving foam canister in order to grow his own players!  He’s already made a pack of George Bests but they keep attacking the bars

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Lee Johnson is a SHAPE-SHIFTING ALIEN REPTILE.  After David Cameron's fall from grace, Lee is the most prominent of the remaining infiltrators.  The aliens' best remaining hope of world domination lies with Lee achieving promotion, being given the freedom of the city, and then issuing an invitation to all his fellow undercover shape-shifters to join him in Bristol.  Having given him freedom of the city, we will POWERLESS to stop the invasion.

Just thought I would say it as no one else has yet!

Not heard a thing myself.

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13 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

I like to think of Mark Ashton stealing DNA samples from a secret island in Costa Rica (where apparently they are creating old dead footballers) smuggling the samples out in a fake shaving foam canister in order to grow his own players!  He’s already made a pack of George Bests but they keep attacking the bars

Would make a good film that

 

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Just now, red panda said:

Lee Johnson is a SHAPE-SHIFTING ALIEN REPTILE.  After David Cameron's fall from grace, Lee is the most prominent of the remaining infiltrators.  The aliens' best remaining hope of world domination lies with Lee achieving promotion, being given the freedom of the city, and then issuing an invitation to all his fellow undercover shape-shifters to join him in Bristol.  Having given him freedom of the city, we will POWERLESS to stop the invasion.

Just thought I would say it as no one else has yet!

Not heard a thing myself.

P.S.  Mark Ashton is leading the undercover human resistance.  And that's why we're not specifically targetting promotion this year :ph34r:

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1 hour ago, REDOXO said:

Just thought I would say it as no one else has yet!

Not heard a thing myself. 

 

Me neither. 

Then again, it would have to be very loud for me to hear it in Spalding.

Lee Johnson's job under threat - just thought I would mention it as no one esle has! :)

 

 

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Leaning To One Side

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1 hour ago, red panda said:

Lee Johnson is a SHAPE-SHIFTING ALIEN REPTILE.  After David Cameron's fall from grace, Lee is the most prominent of the remaining infiltrators.  The aliens' best remaining hope of world domination lies with Lee achieving promotion, being given the freedom of the city, and then issuing an invitation to all his fellow undercover shape-shifters to join him in Bristol.  Having given him freedom of the city, we will POWERLESS to stop the invasion.

Just thought I would say it as no one else has yet!

Not heard a thing myself.

Hello Mr Icke :P

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Meh

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2 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

I like to think of Mark Ashton stealing DNA samples from a secret island in Costa Rica (where apparently they are creating old dead footballers) smuggling the samples out in a fake shaving foam canister in order to grow his own players!  He’s already made a pack of George Bests but they keep attacking the bars

Problem is he would refuse to drive one of the gas powered jeeps until they have been emblazoned with hashtags and Bristol Sport logos

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1 minute ago, The Bard said:

There are a couple of players not looking too happy.  Bobby Reid and Aden Flint looked seriously unimpressed with a couple of their team mates. 2 players whose attitude is beyond question if you ask me.  

Stoppit!!!

I think @REDOXO may be having a bit of fun. And why not?

It's all doom and gloom when a side close  to relegation last season is close to play offs this season.

I will boo.

 

 

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Just now, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Stoppit!!!

I think @REDOXO may be having a bit of fun. And why not?

It's all doom and gloom when a side close  to relegation last season is close to play offs this season.

I will boo.

 

 

So, I should pretend I didn't see it?  

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39 minutes ago, The Bard said:

So, I should pretend I didn't see it?  

No- of course not! It's just that it's most likely that there's no dressing room unrest as such,  that Redoxo is having a bit of fun in the current climate and what you saw was spot on - some players being peed off with other players fluffing it on the day.

I'm glad they care. Last season the old chestnut was loss of dressing room which turned out to be shite despite being in the relegation zone and my wild guess is that still being in with a chance of the play-offs ... the players aren't falling apart. It's guys on here that are losing it.

 

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BTRFTG

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I'm not sure there's unrest in the traditional sense but without doubt there has developed an effect in which it becomes counterproductive for some players to succeed. It happens to an extent lower down (did for us when we went Div 1 to Championship,) but is amplified one hundred fold in the jump to the Premier. Modern football demands a team built to win promotion from the Championship be largely disassembled with players being replaced with better quality, immediate imports.

I reckon the vast majority of our squad when begining to sense there might be a chance of ultimate glory took a look around and quickly realised it would never be for them. I reckon we've fewer than 6 players who'd do a squad job and possibly only one or two who be a regular top-flight starter. Now if I was settled and happy being well paid as a big fish in a small pond and thought success would mean upheaval and uncertainty, well I might not be so enamoured as to do myself out of a comfy life. I don't think players consciously decide to underperform but I'm sure many develop a 'close but no cigar' mentality and that does take an edge off their game. It's also why teams like Sunderland don't immediately bounce back when coming down as players on big bucks know with additional monies available and them not being good enough,  it's perhaps better to sit tight and milk the cash cow as long as possible.

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11 hours ago, REDOXO said:

Just thought I would say it as no one else has yet!

Not heard a thing myself. 

 

baker not starting was a bit odd, I give you that.

however, you think lee is a boom/bust manager,  weird how are form seems to come in huge blocks, great when it clicks, god awful crap when it doesn't, I will say that the brentford debacle was one of the worst games I have ever seen at ashton gate, 27 shots to 2 says it all.

one thing I think we can point too, lee keeps playing out of form players in the hope they will turn it around.

ok, could be the squad is too small but I see options and really after the last 2 games were now pretty desperate if the play offs are a real goal then its time, change formation, change personnel,  smith, wright, bryan, kent, and even reid has been poor last few games.

 

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7 hours ago, BTRFTG said:

I'm not sure there's unrest in the traditional sense but without doubt there has developed an effect in which it becomes counterproductive for some players to succeed. It happens to an extent lower down (did for us when we went Div 1 to Championship,) but is amplified one hundred fold in the jump to the Premier. Modern football demands a team built to win promotion from the Championship be largely disassembled with players being replaced with better quality, immediate imports.

I reckon the vast majority of our squad when begining to sense there might be a chance of ultimate glory took a look around and quickly realised it would never be for them. I reckon we've fewer than 6 players who'd do a squad job and possibly only one or two who be a regular top-flight starter. Now if I was settled and happy being well paid as a big fish in a small pond and thought success would mean upheaval and uncertainty, well I might not be so enamoured as to do myself out of a comfy life. I don't think players consciously decide to underperform but I'm sure many develop a 'close but no cigar' mentality and that does take an edge off their game. It's also why teams like Sunderland don't immediately bounce back when coming down as players on big bucks know with additional monies available and them not being good enough,  it's perhaps better to sit tight and milk the cash cow as long as possible.

Interesting theory (Not the first time I've heard it/similar recently), however equally there are plenty of examples of lower league players winning promotion to the Premiership, and forging a very successful career for themselves. Don't ask me to name names right now though, it's too early and I'm half asleep still!! 

Vardy immediately comes to mind, but if you go through the likes of the promoted teams within the last 10 years or so at least, I'm pretty sure that you could get a half decent side assembled that would easily finish mid table in the Premiership. Quite a few of the Leicester squad (I think) were playing in the championship a couple of seasons before they won the league...

Why would the current squad not see themselves challenging for a regular spot in the Premiership if we were to get there (basing that on the theory that they might be holding back only)? Take Flint for example, he has already proven he can do it, the rest of the squad should use him as an example of what you can do with the right training and mentality.

I'm not saying your theory is wrong, in fact it would explain why we've suddenly dropped off,  but on the flip side, I think there are enough players here who want to try their hand at the next level up.

I personally think that teams have found us out, we haven't got an effective plan b (or c or d for that matter) at the moment, and the players heads have dropped.

I think we will pick up another 3 wins with the games left, it just depends on how many of the others we draw/lose. That being said though, how many times over the years have we started badly and finished stronger (last year) or had a storming start and fell away towards the end (this year so far)? It seems to be the Bristol City way.....

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46 minutes ago, Taz said:

Take Flint for example, he has already proven he can do it, the rest of the squad should use him as an example of what you can do with the right training and mentality.

Flint's one of the players I think could be a starter at a struggling Premier side but he's at the top of his game with us week in week out and he can't train on. He'll never be top end quick and his playing style gets him caught square by the brightest and best. But who else? Some talk of Bryan but realistically where would he fit in at the top level? Defensively he's an utter liability and  if slotting in midfield when going forward his end product is invariably poor. Reid might make a flexible squad player but wouldn't be a starter anywhere soon.

Whilst the Kelly's and Hodour's of this world might train on the remainder of our squad simply aren't good enough for the Premier and I'd argue most are not good enough for top end Championship. If they can't fathom a way to counter Burton's tactics what chance against the likes of Everton?

With the exception of Cole, who used us as a stepping stone, I can't recall any of our 'better players' going on to major things (I exclude Bolassie (awful when he left us) as Salako went back to basics and coached him to become a credible winger.

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22 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

I like to think of Mark Ashton stealing DNA samples from a secret island in Costa Rica (where apparently they are creating old dead footballers) smuggling the samples out in a fake shaving foam canister in order to grow his own players!  He’s already made a pack of George Bests but they keep attacking the bars

And this is why you just have to say "NO" to drugs, kids!   :D

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On 04/04/2018 at 08:42, BTRFTG said:

Flint's one of the players I think could be a starter at a struggling Premier side but he's at the top of his game with us week in week out and he can't train on. He'll never be top end quick and his playing style gets him caught square by the brightest and best. But who else? Some talk of Bryan but realistically where would he fit in at the top level? Defensively he's an utter liability and  if slotting in midfield when going forward his end product is invariably poor. Reid might make a flexible squad player but wouldn't be a starter anywhere soon.

Whilst the Kelly's and Hodour's of this world might train on the remainder of our squad simply aren't good enough for the Premier and I'd argue most are not good enough for top end Championship. If they can't fathom a way to counter Burton's tactics what chance against the likes of Everton?

With the exception of Cole, who used us as a stepping stone, I can't recall any of our 'better players' going on to major things (I exclude Bolassie (awful when he left us) as Salako went back to basics and coached him to become a credible winger.

The only thing I’d say is that some players play better with better players.  You can’t totally predict how someone is going to do as they progress up the ladder.

Most people thought Wes Morgan was a bombscare....but alongside Huth and Simpson, Fuchs outside him, he looked very good as Leicester won the title.

Ricky Lambert?

Most of West Brom;s back four over recent years?

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57 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Wouldn't all our players be on considerably more if they went up? I always think money is the biggest motivation for any footballer, so I imagine they'd be desperate to get to prem. Also players would surely be offered much better new deals. 

The answers are no and no. Most contracts offer a generous incentive in the form of a bonus for promotion but unless base salaries are league dependant (as we know most aren't for obvious reasons) then there's no guaranteed mega monies to be had. If you aren't good enough you'll be squeezed out in favour of new acquisitions. In our case I reckon if we went up over half of our core starters would end up touting their services to upper end Championship clubs come next season.

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