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2 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Here in Weston car parking charges are ridiculous, obviously because of the tourists. But as a local that makes it difficult to enjoy the town. 

Busses being 2 quid is great value but for me whilst I live right on a bus route, it still takes about 40 mins to get to the town centre for what is pretty much a 5 minute car journey. The busses don't use direct routes. They go all through the estates etc. 

So what I tend to do is plan any town centre journeys around needing to go to Tescos as if spend X amount you get a few hours free parking. 

I'd really like to use the bus more but it's just not convenient despite it being very affordable. 

The pay booths at Tesco weren’t working the other day when I visited Weston, asked an employee who said they hadn’t been working for ages?

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passenger numbers just been published Parson Street

for year ending March 2023 157,036

figures for year ending March 2020(start of Covid)was 174,000

With men's and women's football/rugby and the basketball,and the music events to take place at Ashton figures(next year) could hit 200,000

not to mention coming out of covid and more workers returning to there work place.

If you are traveling away from BTM but don't live near Parson Street get the booking office staff to have the tickets issued from Parson street,its normally the same price

If you have friends/relations coming to visit get them to have their tickets to Parson Street,even they don't use them

 

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6 hours ago, Never to the dark side said:

If you are traveling away from BTM but don't live near Parson Street get the booking office staff to have the tickets issued from Parson street,its normally the same price

If you have friends/relations coming to visit get them to have their tickets to Parson Street,even they don't use them

 

Out of interest, what is the benefit for doing this? 

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20 minutes ago, phantom said:

Out of interest, what is the benefit for doing this? 

Records as a trip from Parson Street. Slightly bogus, but I suspect most travellers don't indulge. So passenger numbers are fairly accurate. I always book a return to TM as same price despite often missing connection at TM on return. Thankfully there is the 75 from Redcliffe. 

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11 hours ago, miser said:

Records as a trip from Parson Street. Slightly bogus, but I suspect most travellers don't indulge. So passenger numbers are fairly accurate. I always book a return to TM as same price despite often missing connection at TM on return. Thankfully there is the 75 from Redcliffe. 

Yeah, I understand the first part

But I am unsure how it is of use, and if it is what is it impacting?

Though I doubt many (if any) do this anyway

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6 minutes ago, phantom said:

Yeah, I understand the first part

But I am unsure how it is of use, and if it is what is it impacting?

Though I doubt many (if any) do this anyway

It is to inflate passenger numbers for the station to justify its operation and keep a reasonable number of services based on its 'footfall'. Which are greatly appreciated particularly when travelling from Somerset 

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On 14/12/2023 at 16:00, Never to the dark side said:

passenger numbers just been published Parson Street

for year ending March 2023 157,036

figures for year ending March 2020(start of Covid)was 174,000

With men's and women's football/rugby and the basketball,and the music events to take place at Ashton figures(next year) could hit 200,000

not to mention coming out of covid and more workers returning to there work place.

If you are traveling away from BTM but don't live near Parson Street get the booking office staff to have the tickets issued from Parson street,its normally the same price

If you have friends/relations coming to visit get them to have their tickets to Parson Street,even they don't use them

 

With the amount of strikes / staff shortages , leafs on the track and all the other rubbish I’m surprised people use the train at all , so inconsistent and hit and miss , such a shame as it’s the best way to travel ( albeit a tad pricey ) if everything is running properly 

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On 15/12/2023 at 10:46, phantom said:

Yeah, I understand the first part

But I am unsure how it is of use, and if it is what is it impacting?

Though I doubt many (if any) do this anyway

More footfall keeps the station open/viable.

Enough of our local stations have been closed over the years, although some now reopening (hopefully).

I sometimes use the train from Keynsham to TM and always get the ticket to Parson St. 

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2 hours ago, Clevedon Red said:

Bristol trains: Possibility of new stations to be explored

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-68080364

 

A BBC article akin to "Bristol underground system to be explored".

Once again this is all nonsense isn't it. Just look at the chaotic approach to the Portishead new train line.

They get a quote, delay, delay, delay; then say costs have risen so much, that it's no longer affordable.

 

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On 24/01/2024 at 21:24, TonyTonyTony said:

@Monkeh is anything happening now with the Portishead line? Ive heard a new business case has to be approved.

Apologies for tagging you, but you seem to be involved in some way.

An update on Portishead station, also some pictures of the station

24/P/0474/DCW | Application to discharge Requirement 4 (submission and approval of detail design), 11 (surface and foul water drainage) and 26 (Portishead Station and Portbury Ditch) for Stage 1 of Work No.5 of the Portishead Branch Line (MetroWest Phase 1) Order 2022 | Portishead Branch Line, Between Portishead in North Somerset and Ashton Junction, Bristol (n-somerset.gov.uk)

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On 24/01/2024 at 21:24, TonyTonyTony said:

@Monkeh is anything happening now with the Portishead line? Ive heard a new business case has to be approved.

Apologies for tagging you, but you seem to be involved in some way.

We are still working, nothing was ever going to happen until cp7 which starts in April, its one of the projects that hasn't been cut so I'm expecting it all to start soon

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3 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

We are still working, nothing was ever going to happen until cp7 which starts in April, its one of the projects that hasn't been cut so I'm expecting it all to start soon

I got a bit confused, as there was a flurry of activity marking drains in different colours around the current roundabout - that was ages ago. All the colours washed off now !

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On 24/01/2024 at 17:49, Clevedon Red said:

Bristol trains: Possibility of new stations to be explored

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-68080364

 

I was party to a conversation with the largest medical insurance company in the US last week who I’m told are in advanced stages for building a large office site near Long Ashton. This company already has a large presence in Bristol and money is no object to get the development they require - I dont want to name the company but part of their development is to have their own rail line & station/platform by the site. This will have a rail link to Bristol Airport also. 
 

obviously funding will not be an issue for this company but it will be interesting to see how planners receive this in the planning stages, how many dog walkers are against it and where AG and the whole expansion of the area is integrated with so much private investment 

I wonder if this US company fancy buying a football club as well 😂

The office development is planned for completion by 2028/29 

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3 hours ago, INCRED said:

I was party to a conversation with the largest medical insurance company in the US last week who I’m told are in advanced stages for building a large office site near Long Ashton. This company already has a large presence in Bristol and money is no object to get the development they require - I dont want to name the company but part of their development is to have their own rail line & station/platform by the site. This will have a rail link to Bristol Airport also. 
 

obviously funding will not be an issue for this company but it will be interesting to see how planners receive this in the planning stages, how many dog walkers are against it and where AG and the whole expansion of the area is integrated with so much private investment 

I wonder if this US company fancy buying a football club as well 😂

The office development is planned for completion by 2028/29 

This is Bristol. It won't happen

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4 hours ago, INCRED said:

I was party to a conversation with the largest medical insurance company in the US last week who I’m told are in advanced stages for building a large office site near Long Ashton. This company already has a large presence in Bristol and money is no object to get the development they require - I dont want to name the company but part of their development is to have their own rail line & station/platform by the site. This will have a rail link to Bristol Airport also. 
 

obviously funding will not be an issue for this company but it will be interesting to see how planners receive this in the planning stages, how many dog walkers are against it and where AG and the whole expansion of the area is integrated with so much private investment 

I wonder if this US company fancy buying a football club as well 😂

The office development is planned for completion by 2028/29 

This is probably the development that will sit adjacent to the South Bristol Link Road/Long Ashton Bypass. I think the plans are available on the North Somerset Council website. If I can find a posted notice with the planning refs available tomorrow I will add it.

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On 24/01/2024 at 20:10, GrahamC said:

**** Lockleaze the North of the city already has loads of stations.

If an elected politician could realise South Bristol exists that would make a change.

Why not Lockleaze; could Horfield (closed same time time as Ashley Hill),  not be reopened?

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18 hours ago, INCRED said:

I was party to a conversation with the largest medical insurance company in the US last week who I’m told are in advanced stages for building a large office site near Long Ashton. This company already has a large presence in Bristol and money is no object to get the development they require - I dont want to name the company but part of their development is to have their own rail line & station/platform by the site. This will have a rail link to Bristol Airport also. 
 

obviously funding will not be an issue for this company but it will be interesting to see how planners receive this in the planning stages, how many dog walkers are against it and where AG and the whole expansion of the area is integrated with so much private investment 

I wonder if this US company fancy buying a football club as well 😂

The office development is planned for completion by 2028/29 

So, they obviously see big profits for private medical insurance in future here then. Wonder who they've been lobbying in parliament :laugh:.

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13 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

So, they obviously see big profits for private medical insurance in future here then. Wonder who they've been lobbying in parliament :laugh:.

Blair probably has a major shareholding!

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On 15/03/2024 at 23:12, Shauntaylor85 said:

Bristol is terrible for transport and getting to AG from TM takes forever. So spoilt in the capital. 

 

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I was in Southampton on Saturday for a football programme fair,mass's of passengers arriving at the same time.

Didn't realise that Take That were in concert at Saints ground.

So a favour to the younger element on here.

Take That are at Ashton Gate this coming weekend 8/9 June could I request if they(the younger element) would post on any music site to

buy there train tickets to Parson Street

Saying it avoids have to negotiate the ticket gates at Bristol Temple meads

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2 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said:

Parson street finally has benches! Theres 2 nice New ones on each side I think I saw, I thought this would be big news nttds?

That will be the HS2 money being redistributed.

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I have seen zero activity here in Pill, not one person working on the line anywhere. I have stated before I don't think this line will ever reopen, it might once have been a good idea but the world has changed, working from home Zoom etc has meant the demand from now on just won't be there, plus the cost has spiralled, it would be a great tourist attraction on the weekends but empty most days after 9 am a white Elephant in the making, I mean where does it go? Bedminster and Temple Meads are not very good for the average commuter.

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I THINK you are referring to Parson Street,MOST local train stations don't have many passengers after 09:00am till 4pm ish Monday to Friday

If you think of all the new train stations there are in Bristol area

Shirehampton park and ride Ashley down nearing completion along with Filton Abbey wood,Cam and Dursley as well as Yate

Some one thought it was a good idea to re-open them.

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13 hours ago, Never to the dark side said:

I THINK you are referring to Parson Street,MOST local train stations don't have many passengers after 09:00am till 4pm ish Monday to Friday

If you think of all the new train stations there are in Bristol area

Shirehampton park and ride Ashley down nearing completion along with Filton Abbey wood,Cam and Dursley as well as Yate

Some one thought it was a good idea to re-open them.

But they are North of the river in well-populated areas, we are talking about Portishead and Pill here, can you tell me if there will be a demand in the future? the working environment has changed most people in this area have office jobs and the world has moved on, it's £2 on the bus now, do you not think if the railway starts they will be able to compete with that? plus the bus stops at convenient places in the centre of town. Capital letters are not required I'm well aware of the argument for and against and am neither deaf nor stupid.

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7 hours ago, pillred said:

But they are North of the river in well-populated areas, we are talking about Portishead and Pill here, can you tell me if there will be a demand in the future? the working environment has changed most people in this area have office jobs and the world has moved on, it's £2 on the bus now, do you not think if the railway starts they will be able to compete with that? plus the bus stops at convenient places in the centre of town. Capital letters are not required I'm well aware of the argument for and against and am neither deaf nor stupid.

Perhaps considering there is a general election coming up and Liam Fox has been the North Somerset MP for 32 years(!), why the Tory governments, of which he has been a member, you could ask why this didn’t get this sorted far earlier. And yes a rail link would be useful as it would be far quicker than the bus, plus link to the rest of the rail network via Temple Meads. And there are certainly people who will use a train that won’t use a bus.

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57 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

Perhaps considering there is a general election coming up and Liam Fox has been the North Somerset MP for 32 years(!), why the Tory governments, of which he has been a member, you could ask why this didn’t get this sorted far earlier. And yes a rail link would be useful as it would be far quicker than the bus, plus link to the rest of the rail network via Temple Meads. And there are certainly people who will use a train that won’t use a bus.

I couldn't agree more it's ridiculous how long this has been dragging on, and as for being quicker yes it might be but unless you work in Temple Meads it would not be as most people that might use it would then have to walk quite a distance to their job whereas the bus does tend to stop at more convenient places. 

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2 minutes ago, pillred said:

I couldn't agree more it's ridiculous how long this has been dragging on, and as for being quicker yes it might be but unless you work in Temple Meads it would not be as most people that might use it would then have to walk quite a distance to their job whereas the bus does tend to stop at more convenient places. 

The biggest developments of offices in Bristol in the last 10 years are all within a 10 minute walk of Temple Meads, many are literally outside the back door.

There is definitely movement going on here in Posset, and although you say there is nothing happening in Pill itself, looking across the river from the Port way there looks to be a lot of work going on clearing dead trees etc, presumably for future safety reasons.

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2 hours ago, Dr Balls said:

Perhaps considering there is a general election coming up and Liam Fox has been the North Somerset MP for 32 years(!), why the Tory governments, of which he has been a member, you could ask why this didn’t get this sorted far earlier. And yes a rail link would be useful as it would be far quicker than the bus, plus link to the rest of the rail network via Temple Meads. And there are certainly people who will use a train that won’t use a bus.

Ha ha! Yes!

And the leaflets he’s been putting through my door tell me how he’s been working tirelessly in support of the railway.

As have his leaflets for all of the past 25 years.

He must be effing knackered by now. 

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20 hours ago, BS3_RED said:

I was just watching this on youtube. Rally pisses me off that we cant even get something basic like this.

 

 

..... especially given we were way in front of Nottingham at one point, until councillors decided to start arguing where the trams would terminate, until the government finally lost patience and the proposed funding was pulled.

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On 14/07/2024 at 15:30, BS3_RED said:

I was just watching this on youtube. Rally pisses me off that we cant even get something basic like this.

 

 

I have relatives in Nottingham, i have used this service many times and i must say it is brilliant puts Bristol's public transport to shame.

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21 hours ago, BrizzleRed said:

..... especially given we were way in front of Nottingham at one point, until councillors decided to start arguing where the trams would terminate, until the government finally lost patience and the proposed funding was pulled.

Well we spent that money on the metro bus didn't we?

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13 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

Well we spent that money on the metro bus didn't we?

Yes.  Spent it because if they didn’t, it would have been removed.  Which sums up the insane way public finances are set up, managed and indeed spent. 

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On 16/07/2024 at 08:19, cidercity said:

I have relatives in Nottingham, i have used this service many times and i must say it is brilliant puts Bristol's public transport to shame.

£5 unlimited travel for the day.The system is laid out in a giant X shape connecting all parts of the city with the centre and each other.

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On 15/07/2024 at 00:30, BS3_RED said:

I was just watching this on youtube. Rally pisses me off that we cant even get something basic like this.

 

 

Melbourne has a tram / train & bus system.

The Tram & Train lines are brilliant with Police posted to every single Train Station from 5 pm (6 pm in summer hours) until last train. Known trouble spots have drop-in Police Stations added until the area is 'made safe' again with 24/7 policing as long as needed.

We also have Police Community Support Officers - fully authorised to arrest (18 months training), armed, and often from the newer migrant groups. It's amazing how trouble with Somalian youths (for example) dropped dramatically when PCSO's who speak (shock horror!) Somalian were on hand to talk and diffuse issues.

Night buses and Night trains all have police officers on board from first stop until last.

Night trains run every hour from the city to get clubbers and casino patrons home - zero charge,it's a free, policed service.

 

2 new train lines are being put in as we speak.

 

However - outside the train / tram zones, the buses to the very outer suburbs can entail a good half hours ride to the nearest train station. Country services are limited, mainly due to the distances involved and people ofter prefer to drive or fly.

 

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With Police always on board the night services, crime is down, especially attacks on young women as they can get home safely without the cost of exorbitant taxi fares, which in the past got some of them to walk home alone.

Most arrange an uber pick-up from their destination station which are staffed and Policed 24/7 on the night service lines.

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It feels like we in Bristol get less goodies than certain other places.

Wales is an obvious candidate, Scotland too- NI they seem to bribe them to keep the peace.

London gets hosed with momey, then other medium or large cities such as Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester..am I missing any?

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With the country facing a supposed shortfall of 20 billion and talk of cancelling parts of the Southern part of HS2 and the tunnel under Stonehenge and other infrastructure projects to save money as well as rail stations in Bristol facing further delays I feel the Portishead rail link is in danger of never coming to pass.

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34 minutes ago, pillred said:

With the country facing a supposed shortfall of 20 billion and talk of cancelling parts of the Southern part of HS2 and the tunnel under Stonehenge and other infrastructure projects to save money as well as rail stations in Bristol facing further delays I feel the Portishead rail link is in danger of never coming to pass.

 

I know that "billions" makes it seem a lot, and it is for an individual, but twenty billion is peanuts in terms of government spending, it's 1.6% of the projected 2024/25 expenditure.

I don't know why the press is swallowing this small figure as being a massive issue and a good reason for axing worthwhile capital projects and raising taxes.

"Track and trace" alone saw £38bn go up in smoke.

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Living in Pill I doubt I would use the train other than to attend matches subject to them even running a service at such times that would support that.

I believe it will be one of the projects that ends up getting scrapped as an easy option to do so.

Yet these are the types of projects we should be investing in. Projects that create long term jobs not this obsession with building more houses that provide short term opportunities. But we need to build more houses to make them affordable for young people to buy? Other than recessions and credit crunches - house prices never drop. We need to build schools, hospitals, care homes and nurseries and transport kept under government control to provide jobs for young people to have an income to buy the houses.

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4 hours ago, Red Billy said:

Living in Pill I doubt I would use the train other than to attend matches subject to them even running a service at such times that would support that.

I believe it will be one of the projects that ends up getting scrapped as an easy option to do so.

Yet these are the types of projects we should be investing in. Projects that create long term jobs not this obsession with building more houses that provide short term opportunities. But we need to build more houses to make them affordable for young people to buy? Other than recessions and credit crunches - house prices never drop. We need to build schools, hospitals, care homes and nurseries and transport kept under government control to provide jobs for young people to have an income to buy the houses.

21000 applications on home choice Bristol tells me we need to build a lot of social housing. 

 

Or alternatively stop building accommodation for foreign students.

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7 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said:

 

I know that "billions" makes it seem a lot, and it is for an individual, but twenty billion is peanuts in terms of government spending, it's 1.6% of the projected 2024/25 expenditure.

I don't know why the press is swallowing this small figure as being a massive issue and a good reason for axing worthwhile capital projects and raising taxes.

"Track and trace" alone saw £38bn go up in smoke.

In Kevin Keegan voice:

i’d love it if we clawed back money from Dido Harding, Matt Hancock, Michelle Mone, etc

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31 minutes ago, The Bard said:

21000 applications on home choice Bristol tells me we need to build a lot of social housing. 

 

Or alternatively stop building accommodation for foreign students.

Social housing - but how many of the houses that are getting built are being proportioned to social housing?  And how many properties currently lay empty? There is a council house near me that the tenant moved out over six months ago and it’s still not been reassigned. Yes we need more houses but just not sure it’s the only answer. If we build a stronger economy by creating more employment then the hope would be there would be less of a reliance on social housing. 

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Wonder if they'd cancel it in Birmingham, Liverpool, London, Manchester let alone the Celtic nations.

We seem to get the s****y end of the stick down here in respect of Government input irrespective of party yet unlike London aren't a megapower economically.

Worst of both.

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