Emiliano Sala

[PHILINFRANCE]

3 minutes ago, RedM said:

Do I? That’s news to me.  

But thank you anyway, it’s the first time anyone has ever said I had a wonderful technique, made my day that has!  

Unicorn awarded. 

Firstly, and as I said in my earlier post, your technique, whatever it may be, is way beyond my capabilities - but Thanks for the unicorn .

Nevertheless, you do often utilise a system whereby you hide a post or article, allowing the reader to choose whether or not to see it.

[RedM]

9 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Firstly, and as I said in my earlier post, your technique, whatever it may be, is way beyond my capabilities - but Thanks for the unicorn .

Nevertheless, you do often utilise a system whereby you hide a post or article, allowing the reader to choose whether or not to see it.

Not knowingly. Have I a glitch!?

[handsofclay]

3 hours ago, 29AR said:

Feel quite a bit of unease seeing that photograph of the plane underwater and a caption 'body seen in plane'. It feels a bit crass and lacking humility - not digging you out @phantom just the fact it was released. 

 

3 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Yeah, glad you can’t see anything (apart from the plane).

The one relatively famous death similar to Sala's in which bodies were located (Glenn Miller's was obviously even more similar as it was in the same stretch of water, but his body/plane was never found) was that of Otis Redding in 1967. As soon as his body was winched to the surface photographs were taken and even a film. These photographs are easily googled. There are even pictures of his body in the morgue still strapped to his seat. 

I'm glad we have greater sensitivity today. It is bad enough the poor lad has died. Images of him in death would compound the shock and make his family feel that his death had become a source of entertainment. 

[PHILINFRANCE]

41 minutes ago, RedM said:

Not knowingly. Have I a glitch!?

You may well have, although, as we have never met, I have no idea: I can assure you, however, that I would not have divulged it even had we met/I had noticed it .

In some previous posts, however, you have copied or quoted something and allowed readers to 'glide' over it only should they wish to see it.

Unfortunately, I am unable to recall any examples, but it would most likely have been a spoiler, such as a football score or similar.  

[BobBobSuperBob]

7 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

You may well have, although, as we have never met, I have no idea: I can assure you, however, that I would not have divulged it even had we met/I had noticed it .

In some previous posts, however, you have copied or quoted something and allowed readers to 'glide' over it only should they wish to see it.

Unfortunately, I am unable to recall any examples, but it would most likely have been a spoiler, such as a football score or similar.  

Think it’s a new tweak - longer quotes now have an optional expand button so don’t clog the threads (I think !)

and a good one @TomF if so

 

[SecretSam]

It's tragic, a young man, etc.  I'msorry for his family and offer my condolences.

I do think Cardiff and the media have overdone it, though.

Anyone remember Dean Horrix?

[PHILINFRANCE]

1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Think it’s a new tweak - longer quotes now have an optional expand button so don’t clog the threads (I think !)

and a good one @TomF if so

 

Nope.

Not even that one, which, as you say, is a welcome addition: Thanks @TomF and team.

There have been posts from @RedM where the 'quoted subject matter' has a grey, rectangular block, and this hidden block only reveals its content once you click or glide over it, I forget which: in fact, and this is now starting to concern me, I am now wondering whether I have imagined the whole thing.

We had some wonderful pasta yesterday, enriched by some local mushrooms, but surely not....

[Andy082005]

13 hours ago, TomF said:

You do realise they were doing a sonor seabed search in a 4m square mile area identified after the cushions washed up on shore? 

Fairly certain it was in the area that it disappeared from radar....

[phantom]

A heartbreaking picture of his dog has been released, sat waiting for him to come home

[elhombrecito]

18 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Nope.

Not even that one, which, as you say, is a welcome addition: Thanks @TomF and team.

There have been posts from @RedM where the 'quoted subject matter' has a grey, rectangular block, and this hidden block only reveals its content once you click or glide over it, I forget which: in fact, and this is now starting to concern me, I am now wondering whether I have imagined the whole thing.

We had some wonderful pasta yesterday, enriched by some local mushrooms, but surely not....

Such a thing does indeed exist, as highlighted by @TomF earlier in the thread (or it may have been the Oliviera thread), and shown below:

 

Thought I'd hide something hideous:

 

[PHILINFRANCE]

9 minutes ago, elhombrecito said:

Such a thing does indeed exist, as highlighted by @TomF earlier in the thread (or it may have been the Oliviera thread), and shown below:

  Reveal hidden contents

Thought I'd hide something hideous:

 

Thank You @elhombrecito: I am relieved.

So, it would seem that it is @TomF who has the 'wonderful technique', @RedM being limited to a 'glitch'.

[Super]

Obvious this was going to happen.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47146614

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, Super said:

Obvious this was going to happen.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47146614

They were satisfied enough with the documents to fly him over privately to start training the next day.

As you say, no surprise though.

[exAtyeoMax]

"It is understood Nantes are threatening legal action if they do not receive a payment within 10 days. BBC have attempted to speak to Nantes for a comment."

A bit insensitive, seeing that the recovery operation is still ongoing. 

[cidercity1987]

1 minute ago, exAtyeoMax said:

"It is understood Nantes are threatening legal action if they do not receive a payment within 10 days. BBC have attempted to speak to Nantes for a comment."

A bit insensitive, seeing that the recovery operation is still ongoing. 

More insensitive that Cardiff are withholding payment I would have thought

[exAtyeoMax]

2 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

More insensitive that Cardiff are withholding payment I would have thought

Wouldn't you check the paperwork first? 

I certainly wouldn't threaten anyone with legal action!

[Davefevs]

27 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

More insensitive that Cardiff are withholding payment I would have thought

I wonder if this is down to Cardiff’s insurers making them check everything is present and correct before authorising the claim.

[Andy082005]

2 hours ago, Super said:

Obvious this was going to happen.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47146614

Absolutely disgusting 

Both clubs should be ******* ashamed of themselves 

Not only did neither club front up for the private search , they are both now arguing over the transfer money. The poor ****** still hasn't even been found 

If you ever needed proof that greed and money had ruined the game....this is it. 

I am.genuinely disgusted by this . Vile

[TonyTonyTony]

42 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

Absolutely disgusting 

Both clubs should be ******* ashamed of themselves 

Not only did neither club front up for the private search , they are both now arguing over the transfer money. The poor ****** still hasn't even been found 

If you ever needed proof that greed and money had ruined the game....this is it. 

I am.genuinely disgusted by this . Vile

Agreed. I don’t think anybody would disagree that the transfer fee needs to be sorted out but do it after the funeral and behind the scenes. Playing it out now and in this manner is not cool

[CodeRed]

2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I wonder if this is down to Cardiff’s insurers making them check everything is present and correct before authorising the claim.

Everyone is rushing to blame the club's but Cardiff probably have insurance.....any insurer will need a death certificate before payment ( as yet no body. no certificate) so they're waiting but equally the transfer went through ( to the satisfaction of football authorities) so if the contract stated a % was due up front then Cardiff should pay and await the insurance payment to cover it.

Obviously very sad where a fatality is concerned but Cardiff seem to be the one's who should bite the bullet and honour the deal.....IMO

[BobBobSuperBob]

This is going to end up , or somebody is, in the civil courts 

You can see it now

[McNasty Filth]

It is disgraceful that Nantes are asking for some form of payment, show some f****** humility and empathy to the sensitive situation.

Like people say, this poor lad has not even been found, so no chance to pay last respects. At least leave it till then and show respect to the family who are only now beginning to grieve.

As mentioned, this will surely be down to an insurance issue, which I can imagine will take an eternity to sort out, if indeed Cardiff were covered!

 

[Selred]

6 minutes ago, jaydee=inspiration said:

It is disgraceful that Nantes are asking for some form of payment, show some f****** humility and empathy to the sensitive situation.

Like people say, this poor lad has not even been found, so no chance to pay last respects. At least leave it till then and show respect to the family who are only now beginning to grieve.

As mentioned, this will surely be down to an insurance issue, which I can imagine will take an eternity to sort out, if indeed Cardiff were covered!

 

We don’t know what their cash flow situation is like to be honest. They may really need the money and Cardiff should pay as its due. Cardiff were to pay it if Sala was still here. 

It also seemed like Cardiff leaked the news, which I don’t agree with. 

[formerly known as ivan]

The issue with regards to the transfer fee is that it was always going to come up at some point. Would there ever have been a good time for this? Probably not.

Fact is, Cardiff owe the transfer fee.  I feel they are more in the wrong withholding this, using the circumstances not to pay it, than Nantes are for asking them to pay it.

[BS4 on Tour...]

According to a report I heard on the radio today, Nantes had insured Sala for more than the transfer fee they were due to receive from Cardiff....so they will receive two very hefty amounts after this absolute tragedy....just doesn’t seem right, even if it is...

[Selred]

2 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

According to a report I heard on the radio today, Nantes had insured Sala for more than the transfer fee they were due to receive from Cardiff....so they will receive two very hefty amounts after this absolute tragedy....just doesn’t seem right, even if it is...

Surely they can’t be right? If I insured a car and sold it and it broke I couldn’t claim the money....

[BobBobSuperBob]

2 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

According to a report I heard on the radio today, Nantes had insured Sala for more than the transfer fee they were due to receive from Cardiff....so they will receive two very hefty amounts after this absolute tragedy....just doesn’t seem right, even if it is...

Surely that can’t be so

Either Cardiff owned the player in which case the Insurance won’t be paying Nantes 

And if  the move for some reason had not been completed , they won’t get the transfer fee

[Tinmans Love Child]

8 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

According to a report I heard on the radio today, Nantes had insured Sala for more than the transfer fee they were due to receive from Cardiff....so they will receive two very hefty amounts after this absolute tragedy....just doesn’t seem right, even if it is...

That would be pretty dubious from a fraud/fin crime point of view?  This will drag on for years I expect 

[BS4 on Tour...]

8 minutes ago, Selred said:

Surely they can’t be right? If I insured a car and sold it and it broke I couldn’t claim the money....

 

7 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Surely that can’t be so

Either Cardiff owned the player in which case the Insurance won’t be paying Nantes 

And if  the move for some reason had not been completed , they won’t get the transfer fee

Fair points....was just passing on what I heard on the radio today....

[Davefevs]

18 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

According to a report I heard on the radio today, Nantes had insured Sala for more than the transfer fee they were due to receive from Cardiff....so they will receive two very hefty amounts after this absolute tragedy....just doesn’t seem right, even if it is...

Assuming he is Cardiff’s player officially, Nantes no longer have an insurable Interest over Sala.  

Edited February 6, 2019 by Davefevs

[BS4 on Tour...]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Assuming he is Cardiff’s player officially, Nantes no longer have an insurable Interest over Sala.  

Perhaps it was Cardiff who had insured him for more than the transfer fee....the radio was only on in the background...

[BS4 on Tour...]

20 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Assuming he is Cardiff’s player officially, Nantes no longer have an insurable Interest over Sala.  

Although, perhaps Nantes still had him insured until Cardiff paid the transfer fee....

[Northern Red]

Surprised it's taken this long for the wrangling over cash to start. As unpalatable as it will be to a lot of people, you can bet the two clubs were on the case pretty much straightaway, it'd be very naive to think otherwise. 

And just wait until the various agents start pushing for their cut.

[RumRed]

The transfer had completed, Cardiff will have to pay.  The way it’s being dealt with is distateful but Cardiff have to honour the contract. 

it’s up to Cardiff to deal with their insurers.

Edited February 6, 2019 by RumRed

[Silvio Dante]

There are a few angles here now about legality and morality.

- Irrespective of what the insurance was/wasn’t, Cardiff bought Sala and agreed the fee. They owe Nantes the money come what may, unless Nantes agree to write some/all off. Cardiff wouldn’t have been relying on insurance to pay the fee so have to pay

- However, it’s undoubtedly morally wrong for Nantes to start making legal threats (if that is the case), when ES hasn’t even been confirmed as dead yet and with the plane rescue ongoing. That’s terrible form.

- Again, though, we don’t know what obligations Nantes have to meet which they have scheduled from the fee. They may well need the money and are being leaned on by other people.

This would have been better served and everyone better off had this particular aspect not been played in the media. But legally, I’d say Cardiff have to meet the obligation and should probably do so and sort the insurance out later.

On the subject of insurance, I am very unconvinced that this will pay out - and I’m sure the insurers will resist. If the pilot didn’t have the appropriate licence or the plane wasn’t licenced for passengers (as mooted), any insurance firm will look to use it as a get out - again, not morally right, but I see this being majorly fought.

What I think will be the ultimate outcome here is Cardiff having to pay the full fee and ES’s contractual obligations, with no insurance paid out and then seeking civil recourse against the agent/aviation company.

Bottom line remains though there is a family at the end of this (well two families) who have lost a loved one and looking after them should be both clubs primary concern at the moment as opposed to fighting this out in the media at this point

 

[Davefevs]

13 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Although, perhaps Nantes still had him insured until Cardiff paid the transfer fee....

They could insure against payment default (unlikely), but...

3 minutes ago, RumRed said:

The transfer had completed, Cardiff will have to pay.  The way it’s being dealt with is distateful but Cardiff have to honour the contract. 

They are more likely to sue for breach of contract.

 

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

There are a few angles here now about legality and morality.

- Irrespective of what the insurance was/wasn’t, Cardiff bought Sala and agreed the fee. They owe Nantes the money come what may, unless Nantes agree to write some/all off. Cardiff wouldn’t have been relying on insurance to pay the fee so have to pay

- However, it’s undoubtedly morally wrong for Nantes to start making legal threats (if that is the case), when ES hasn’t even been confirmed as dead yet and with the plane rescue ongoing. That’s terrible form.

- Again, though, we don’t know what obligations Nantes have to meet which they have scheduled from the fee. They may well need the money and are being leaned on by other people.

This would have been better served and everyone better off had this particular aspect not been played in the media. But legally, I’d say Cardiff have to meet the obligation and should probably do so and sort the insurance out later.

On the subject of insurance, I am very unconvinced that this will pay out - and I’m sure the insurers will resist. If the pilot didn’t have the appropriate licence or the plane wasn’t licenced for passengers (as mooted), any insurance firm will look to use it as a get out - again, not morally right, but I see this being majorly fought.

What I think will be the ultimate outcome here is Cardiff having to pay the full fee and ES’s contractual obligations, with no insurance paid out and then seeking civil recourse against the agent/aviation company.

Bottom line remains though there is a family at the end of this (well two families) who have lost a loved one and looking after them should be both clubs primary concern at the moment as opposed to fighting this out in the media at this point

 

That is Mrs F’s View too (ex-Insurance Underwriter).

[RumRed]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

They are more likely to sue for breach of contract.

 

I’m not sure I understand.  He was Cardiff’s player therefore what has anything got to do with his old club?  Genuine question.

[Silvio Dante]

1 minute ago, RumRed said:

I’m not sure I understand.  He was Cardiff’s player therefore what has anything got to do with his old club?  Genuine question.

I think Dave means Nantes suing Cardiff for breach of contract if they don’t make the payment

[RumRed]

6 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

I think Dave means Nantes suing Cardiff for breach of contract if they don’t make the payment

Ta, well yes. Nantes are right to expect payment. The travel plans and insurance details are up to Cardiff.  Nantes should have the contract fulfilled.  

Quite horrible they haven’t to be honest, just do the decent thing and honour the contract so this doesn’t blow out of all proportion.

More important things than multimillion pound clubs reneging on deals.

Edited February 6, 2019 by RumRed

[reddoh]

26 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

That is Mrs F’s View too (ex-Insurance Underwriter).

Plane registered in USA private pilot under US laws not licensed to carry paying passengers but now we enter the confusion zone as I have read and understand Sala didn't pay, agent did but was not a passenger does that pass US laws? but think whether I am right or wrong it is very sad for pilot and Sala. 

[Davefevs]

42 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

I think Dave means Nantes suing Cardiff for breach of contract if they don’t make the payment

@RumRed, yes, as Silvio says above.

[Gazred]

Just catching up on the latest on this.

Where are your morals at Nantes? Demanding the first payment. That is absolutely disgraceful.

Now reading they have just recovered the yet unidentified body from the plane wreckage.

What a tragic and sorry state of affairs this is.

Edited February 7, 2019 by Gazred

[Guest]

Cardiff announced him as officially their player. They bought him. But for that transfer this difficult circumstance would not arise. 

I didn't like Cardiff' s response one little bit to be honest. 'We are checking paperwork', that to anyone smells of 'any way out of the fee?'. Don't forget if Cardiff are out of that they are also perhaps out of in service payments to his estate. That's quite distasteful. 

I am not surprised Nantes asserting their position, although, I think it's more than likely been lost in translation and less aggressive. But... if i wad at nantes and cardiff said we will pay we are just checking paperwork i would probably be so bullish.

If Nantes have transferred the player, as callous as it sounds, they have transferred risk,  bit like Vokes, Elokobi, Velicka  Dani Rodrigues, signing here and becoming injured, none of us would be impressed if the club said 'checking paperwork' before honouring commitments. That a ball was kicked or otherwise changes nothing. If Nantes transferred the player, they probably have no insurance of their own as they 'sold' the player and ceased to have an insurable interest, if any cover existed. 

As for insurance, there are plenty of examples of clubs threatening to sue National FAs or other players where where their own players have suffered injury. Why would you do that if insurance was in place as the insurer would be entitled to those proceeds as underwriting the risk- it's called subrogation - because of those examples, I just don't believe insurance is that prevalent, although I could be wrong. 

Edited February 7, 2019 by Guest

[TBW]

6 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Agreed. I don’t think anybody would disagree that the transfer fee needs to be sorted out but do it after the funeral and behind the scenes. Playing it out now and in this manner is not cool

Why? Businesses have to keep running and interest on £5m is a fair bit I'd imagine. Yes it's a sad time but they're well within their rights to request the money agreed.

Cardiff saying they'd "check the paperwork" first is bullshit too. If I said that after I'd bought a house and refused the first mortgage payment to review paperwork I'm not sure it'd go down well.

[CliftonCliff]

I think one has to draw a clear distinction between sentiment on the one hand and the hard reality of the business legalities on the other. They are quite separate things and it doesn’t seem appropriate to me to criticise Nantes on moral grounds for simply requesting payment of fees due to them. As someone has said, media reports using the term “demand “ in this context will tend to have a distorting effect on how this issue is perceived, which isn’t helpful.

This has been a terrible tragedy and just like everyone else on OTIB I feel very sad about it, but if, as seems overwhelmingly likely, Sala was legally Cardiff’s asset at the time of his death (again, please forgive the terminology) then they must pay any money owing. People at Nantes have been just as devastated on a human level as everyone has and I’d be very surprised if their handling of the business details was not conducted in a sensitive way, as opposed to the aggressive stance implied by press reports.

 

[RedM]

On 05/02/2019 at 13:52, PHILINFRANCE said:

Thank You @elhombrecito: I am relieved.

So, it would seem that it is @TomF who has the 'wonderful technique', @RedM being limited to a 'glitch'.

I actually have no knowledge of this, maybe I do have powers and abilities I’m yet to discover 

[Major Isewater]

7 minutes ago, CliftonCliff said:

I think one has to draw a clear distinction between sentiment on the one hand and the hard reality of the business legalities on the other. They are quite separate things and it doesn’t seem appropriate to me to criticise Nantes on moral grounds for simply requesting payment of fees due to them. As someone has said, media reports using the term “demand “ in this context will tend to have a distorting effect on how this issue is perceived, which isn’t helpful.

This has been a terrible tragedy and just like everyone else on OTIB I feel very sad about it, but if, as seems overwhelmingly likely, Sala was legally Cardiff’s asset at the time of his death (again, please forgive the terminology) then they must pay any money owing. People at Nantes have been just as devastated on a human level as everyone has and I’d be very surprised if their handling of the business details was not conducted in a sensitive way, as opposed to the aggressive stance implied by press reports.

 

Add into the equation a large percentage  ( 50% sell on  quoted ) of the transfer fee is owed by Nantes to Bordeaux , budgets have been drawn up on monies due and  Cardiff must pay.

It is a tragic situation  but if Cardiff are the owners of Sala’s contract then they are the ones who have lost , not only a promising footballer but equally the 15 million they owe for his services .

They may have insurance, they may sue the plane company ,who knows?

 but what  shouldn’t happen is the two French clubs get penalised financially in addition to the human loss they have suffered.

 

[BobBobSuperBob]

23 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

Add into the equation a large percentage  ( 50% sell on  quoted ) of the transfer fee is owed by Nantes to Bordeaux , budgets have been drawn up on monies due and  Cardiff must pay.

It is a tragic situation  but if Cardiff are the owners of Sala’s contract then they are the ones who have lost , not only a promising footballer but equally the 15 million they owe for his services .

They may have insurance, they may sue the plane company ,who knows?

 but what  shouldn’t happen is the two French clubs get penalised financially in addition to the human loss they have suffered.

 

Bordeaux state they havnt made any noises about aby fee owed

The first payment of £5 million was due to be paid by Cardiff on 26th January

[phantom]

1 hour ago, TomF said:

I think its fine to deal with it - but perhaps not wash all the details into the public domain when they've not even found/identified the body yet. 

It'll probably be worse if its the pilot they've found..

That's yet another horrible twist to this sad event, that only one body has been found

Not sure if only short term but stated this morning there will be no attempt to recover the plane

[handsofclay]

I don't know if the £15M fee quoted included add ons which obviously would now mean that the fee Cardiff have to pay is less than that, but still a substantial sum. As others have stated, he is Cardiff's player, if contracts were signed etc then it doesn't matter if he plays for them for 1 match, 100 matches, 20 minutes, 1 minute or no minutes whatsoever. Cardiff bought his contract.

Cardiff are losing face with this 'check the paperwork' stance. There were emotional scenes at their stadium at the last home game. Thus, they have identified Sala as being their player. Had Sala died on his way to signing the contract and was still a Nantes player at the time of passing, Cardiff would have passed on heartfelt condolences but the grief would all have been at Nantes end. 

We paid £55,000 to Millwall for Dean Horrix which was a fair bit for us back in 1990, but at no stage did I hear anything from our end hinting that we would like a chunk of it back due to him only playing 3 games for us. 

 

[Super]

8 minutes ago, handsofclay said:

I don't know if the £15M fee quoted included add ons which obviously would now mean that the fee Cardiff have to pay is less than that, but still a substantial sum. As others have stated, he is Cardiff's player, if contracts were signed etc then it doesn't matter if he plays for them for 1 match, 100 matches, 20 minutes, 1 minute or no minutes whatsoever. Cardiff bought his contract.

Cardiff are losing face with this 'check the paperwork' stance. There were emotional scenes at their stadium at the last home game. Thus, they have identified Sala as being their player. Had Sala died on his way to signing the contract and was still a Nantes player at the time of passing, Cardiff would have passed on heartfelt condolences but the grief would all have been at Nantes end. 

We paid £55,000 to Millwall for Dean Horrix which was a fair bit for us back in 1990, but at no stage did I hear anything from our end hinting that we would like a chunk of it back due to him only playing 3 games for us. 

 

In fairness to Cardiff I haven't heard anything from them about refusing to pay unless I have missed it.

[simon uk]

All of this situation is awful, but i agree with others on here. Cardiff bought out his contract, i cant see any way that they are not responsible for the fee agreed, albeit add ons for goals etc wont obviously apply.

whether they have insurance to pay for it/ will take legal action against the plane owners to recover losses is another matter

[BigTone]

6 minutes ago, Super said:

In fairness to Cardiff I haven't heard anything from them about refusing to pay unless I have missed it.

They said they were checking the paperwork 

[Leveller]

9 minutes ago, Super said:

In fairness to Cardiff I haven't heard anything from them about refusing to pay unless I have missed it.

If it was due on 26 January, why hasn’t it been paid? The selling club shouldn’t need to ask.

[Super]

22 minutes ago, Leveller said:

If it was due on 26 January, why hasn’t it been paid? The selling club shouldn’t need to ask.

I get your point and Cardiff should pay up without doubt and have said they will, but something about the demanding of money doesn't sit well with me.

[TETBURY MASSIVE]

4 minutes ago, Super said:

I get your point and Cardiff should pay up without doubt and have said they will, but something about the demanding of money doesn't sit well with me.

I reckon they are as guilty as each other, Cardiff withholding is as bad as Nantes demanding. 

Either way no one looks good in a sorry situation.

[reddogkev]

R.I.P Emiliano, you will be missed by all football fans.  My thoughts remain with family and friends.

The payment of his fee to Nantes feels irrelevant to me.

[LondonBristolian]

39 minutes ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said:

I reckon they are as guilty as each other, Cardiff withholding is as bad as Nantes demanding. 

Either way no one looks good in a sorry situation.

In all honesty, I think this sort of dispute was inevitable in such strange circumstances. My issue is primarily with whoever decided to leak this so it played out in the media. It's not inappropriate and unnecessarily for Sala's family and friends, and indeed Nantes and Cardiff fans, to have this played out so publicly. Any disagreement and discussion should have been kept between the clubs.

 

[Bristol Rob]

Where did this 'demand' story originate?

Clearly the club would know that it wouldn't make them look good if they went public with a demand for payment, so I would be surprised if they leaked the news.

Chances are, it's just two accounts departments having a conversation and someone has seen the chance to exploit the reasonable request for the first instalment to be made for personal gain.

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

48 minutes ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said:

I reckon they are as guilty as each other, Cardiff withholding is as bad as Nantes demanding. 

Either way no one looks good in a sorry situation.

I doubt it was a case of the demanding of money.  It's clear how Nantes as a club have been affected by this sad event, and I would think that they above everyone would understand the sensitivity.  However, life does go on, and business is business, though I doubt it was as insensitive as the media are suggesting.

[Major Isewater]

3 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Bordeaux state they havnt made any noises about aby fee owed

The first payment of £5 million was due to be paid by Cardiff on 26th January

That doesn’t mean they’re writing it off .

[Major Isewater]

52 minutes ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said:

I reckon they are as guilty as each other, Cardiff withholding is as bad as Nantes demanding. 

Either way no one looks good in a sorry situation.

Don’t get bogged down with the word ‘ demand ‘ in France it is just the word for a bill .

 I doubt they are creating a fuss about it but merely to underline that in spite of everything they anticipate what is due .

[Bar BS3]

11 hours ago, Gazred said:

Just catching up on the latest on this.

Where are your morals at Nantes? Demanding the first payment. That is absolutely disgraceful.

Now reading they have just recovered the yet unidentified body from the plane wreckage.

What a tragic and sorry state of affairs this is.

As tragic as this is, Nantes are entitled to their transfer fee. It’s not their fault. 

To be honest, they shouldn’t have to be asking for it..! It’s poor on Cardiff’s part, imo. 

Puuting emotions to one side, surely Cardiff would have had him (and all players) insured..? Or is the insurance invalidated by using unregisterd aircraft and their dodgy deals..? 

A tragic event, that should never have happened and you wouldn’t wish on anyone. But it has happened and Cardiff owe Nantes the transfer fee. 

Edited February 7, 2019 by Bar BS3

[BobBobSuperBob]

Cardiff now refusing to pay anything whilst there is an investigation going on ....

dear oh dear

Lets hope they don’t have the same attitude to anything due to Salas family

[Gazred]

14 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

As tragic as this is, Nantes are entitled to their transfer fee. It’s not their fault. 

To be honest, they shouldn’t have to be asking for it..! It’s poor on Cardiff’s part, imo. 

Puuting emotions to one side, surely Cardiff would have had him (and all players) insured..? Or is the insurance invalidated by using unregisterd aircraft and their dodgy deals..? 

A tragic event, that should never have happened and you wouldn’t wish on anyone. But it has happened and Cardiff owe Nantes the transfer fee. 

Absolutely i agree but none of this side of it should be in the public domain IMO. The famlies and loved ones involved could well do with out it i'd imagine.

[The Joker]

I am reading this morning that a body recovered from the plane has been taken to Portland Dorset, no mention regarding the second body, has it been found or even seen in the wreckage.

[Bar BS3]

36 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Cardiff now refusing to pay anything whilst there is an investigation going on ....

dear oh dear

Lets hope they don’t have the same attitude to anything due to Salas family

But they waved a few T-shirts around at their last game. That makes everything ok, doesn’t it..?! 

[TBW]

3 hours ago, reddogkev said:

R.I.P Emiliano, you will be missed by all football fans.  My thoughts remain with family and friends.

The payment of his fee to Nantes feels irrelevant to me.

Yeah I'm not sure £15 million is very irrelevant to the two clubs. It's not your money so of course you'd feel it's meaningless. 

Now if someone bought a car from you, they'd got the car and were now refusing to give you the money because they were 'checking the paperwork' because they'd totalled it, would it be so irrelevant?

[Super]

1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said:

But they waved a few T-shirts around at their last game. That makes everything ok, doesn’t it..?! 

Harsh.