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20 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Surely about to suffer a double relegation down to L2 unless a miracle happens. Real shame. 

I know. Got a Bolton fan pal. Feel for them all... not like the Glory days of Jay Jay Ocotcha (so good they named him twice) etc...

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11 minutes ago, Unan said:

How can the FA/EFL not also face punishment for lack of due diligence when the Andersons took over?

We have long suspected the EFL and FA was incompetent (if not corrupt) in the area of due diligence (and indeed VAR) but who are they going to get punished by. FIFA/UEFA don't interfere in domestic football, and if the government intervened FIFA would throw a hissy fit. 

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I'm really struggling to have much sympathy for the club tbh, even if I have a modicum for the fans.

They spent ridiculously beyond their means and reality caught up with them, tough shit.

Plus I've never forgiven the northern bastards after taking a decent sized rock to the bollocks outside Burnden Park after the game it kicked right off at in April 1990 haha.

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The more football becomes about money , the more this will happen. I wouldn't blame the fans, but I suspect there were a fair amount of them demanding that the chairman 'splashed the cash' in order to keep up with the Joneses, it happens at every club.

I guarantee you that during the course of the upcoming season there will be a fair few demanding that Lansdown gets his hand in his pocket, they would do well to remember 1982.

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2 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

The more football becomes about money , the more this will happen. I wouldn't blame the fans, but I suspect there were a fair amount of them demanding that the chairman 'splashed the cash' in order to keep up with the Joneses, it happens at every club.

I guarantee you that during the course of the upcoming season there will be a fair few demanding that Lansdown gets his hand in his pocket, they would do well to remember 1982.

Your owner has never even put his hand in his pocket! 

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7 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

The more football becomes about money , the more this will happen. I wouldn't blame the fans, but I suspect there were a fair amount of them demanding that the chairman 'splashed the cash' in order to keep up with the Joneses, it happens at every club.

I guarantee you that during the course of the upcoming season there will be a fair few demanding that Lansdown gets his hand in his pocket, they would do well to remember 1982.

I agree, hard to feel sorry for the kind of fans you describe. Those who have no interest in the financial health of the club then complain when chickens come home to roost.

We have those who claim Steve uses FFP as an excuse not to spend what we don't have. Fortunately they seem to be in a minority.

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1 minute ago, chinapig said:

I agree, hard to feel sorry for the kind of fans you describe. Those who have no interest in the financial health of the club then complain when chickens come home to roost.

We have those who claim Steve uses FFP as an excuse not to spend what we don't have. Fortunately they seem to be in a minority.

Bristol City are an incredibly well run club. I think it is inevitable that- if Lansdown remains in charge-  they will get to the Premier League one day. It might not be as quickly as some would like but I do think they will get there.

I'm pinning my hopes on enough meatheads giving him enough stick, that he takes his money and goes home :)

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12 hours ago, Unan said:

How can the FA/EFL not also face punishment for lack of due diligence when the Andersons took over?

This says it all;

In a separate development Bolton’s administrators are taking legal action against Laurence Bassini, the former Watford owner who unsuccessfully tried to buy the club from Ken Anderson this year. It was the collapse of the proposed deal put forward by Bassini, who has twice been declared bankrupt and was banned from owning an EFL club for three years in 2013, that led to Bolton being placed in administration after debts incurred under Anderson remained unpaid. The administrators subsequently made the Football Ventures consortium their preferred bidders, only to hear Bassini claim on TalkSport that he has offered more money up front.

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4 minutes ago, 22A said:

This says it all;

In a separate development Bolton’s administrators are taking legal action against Laurence Bassini, the former Watford owner who unsuccessfully tried to buy the club from Ken Anderson this year. It was the collapse of the proposed deal put forward by Bassini, who has twice been declared bankrupt and was banned from owning an EFL club for three years in 2013, that led to Bolton being placed in administration after debts incurred under Anderson remained unpaid. The administrators subsequently made the Football Ventures consortium their preferred bidders, only to hear Bassini claim on TalkSport that he has offered more money up front.

They went on to say he had been sending them threatening texts and emails.

Doubtless he would pass the fit and proper person test, when you consider some others who have.

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17 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

Bristol City are an incredibly well run club. I think it is inevitable that- if Lansdown remains in charge-  they will get to the Premier League one day. It might not be as quickly as some would like but I do think they will get there.

I'm pinning my hopes on enough meatheads giving him enough stick, that he takes his money and goes home :)

Fortunately, OTIB is a meathead free zone.

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38 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

Tell me something I don't know.

Putting your hand in your pocket takes time.

23 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

Bristol City are an incredibly well run club. I think it is inevitable that- if Lansdown remains in charge-  they will get to the Premier League one day. It might not be as quickly as some would like but I do think they will get there.

I'm pinning my hopes on enough meatheads giving him enough stick, that he takes his money and goes home :)

I think we've had the meathead phase already during Lansdown's ownership. Probably around the time we were struggling towards the bottom of League 1. At the time, nearly everything at the club was shambolic and the stick Lansdown was getting was pretty grim. Situations like Bolton and Coventry have shown our meatheads how bad it could be.

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3 hours ago, Miah Dennehy said:

Bristol City are an incredibly well run club. I think it is inevitable that- if Lansdown remains in charge-  they will get to the Premier League one day. It might not be as quickly as some would like but I do think they will get there.

I'm pinning my hopes on enough meatheads giving him enough stick, that he takes his money and goes home :)

I think even  the most ardent rovers fans has to admit the club is going in the right direction the way the club is run off the pitch . The ground seems to be used most days for one thing or another and the live shows this year has Really put the ground on the map. Any thing above 8th this season is again progress on last year and as a fan I’ll take that every day off the week

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16 hours ago, Judda said:

I know. Got a Bolton fan pal. Feel for them all... not like the Glory days of Jay Jay Ocotcha (so good they named him twice) etc...

I bet all Bolton fans were protesting about the way the club was run when they were in the Prem though..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1226177/MARTIN-SAMUEL-One-problem-franchise-idea-Phil-Gartside-No-place-Bolton.html

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16 hours ago, Judda said:

I know. Got a Bolton fan pal. Feel for them all... not like the Glory days of Jay Jay Ocotcha (so good they named him twice) etc...

Part of the reason why they are in the mess they find themselves today....

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17 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

I'm sure in my youth, the term for multiple keepers was a 'rush goalie'.

Yep my school used to say ‘rush’ goalies, or ‘all hands in’ was the other one I think 

basically if the keeper went on a run someone else could drop in and cover for them 

 

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54 minutes ago, internetjef said:

Yep my school used to say ‘rush’ goalies, or ‘all hands in’ was the other one I think 

basically if the keeper went on a run someone else could drop in and cover for them 

 

I grew up in Knowle West and we always called it drop back goalies. 

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Going to the wall aren't they?

Refusing to play the fixture at the end of last season, calling off a friendly (again - not the first time), and a squad so small it makes Rovers look like Man City!!

The tweets from Mark Little above, goes to show how a club like Rovers can afford him. Going so long without being paid, probably jumped at the first club that came calling.

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5 minutes ago, Taz said:

Going to the wall aren't they?

Refusing to play the fixture at the end of last season, calling off a friendly (again - not the first time), and a squad so small it makes Rovers look like Man City!!

The tweets from Mark Little above, goes to show how a club like Rovers can afford him. Going so long without being paid, probably jumped at the first club that came calling.

To be fair, Mark probably makes more money from his removals business than from playing for that lot. 

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14 hours ago, Vincent Vega said:

I grew up in Knowle West and we always called it drop back goalies. 

Whitchurch. Either Rush-Back (anyone could be the goalie) or Drop-Back (the goalie could play wherever they wanted but was the goalie nonetheless) 

Well. That's how I remember it anyway! Don't forget good old next goal wins too mind! 

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13 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

Whitchurch. Either Rush-Back (anyone could be the goalie) or Drop-Back (the goalie could play wherever they wanted but was the goalie nonetheless) 

Well. That's how I remember it anyway! Don't forget good old next goal wins too mind! 

Hengrove/Whitchurch borders for me.  We used same definition. 

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On 13/07/2019 at 20:39, Loosey Boy said:

Sympathy for their supporters but as a club....definitely not.

They’ve been spending well beyond their means and have been poorly managed ever since their days in the Prem.

Ive mentioned before that I read that in only one of their eleven seasons in the prem did Bolton make a profit. If they coulnd't manage profit in the prem, then what hope have they once relegated.

No one wants to see any club in the position that Bolton now find themselves, but it's a salutary lesson of the dangers facing relegated clubs.

It was to avoid exactly this that I thought ffp rules were in place and it makes the EFL's handling of the issues this summer look even more incompetent and inept. While "selling" their stadium avoided ffp breaches, all it did for Villa, Derby and Wednesday was mask the underlying financial situation which was spending well beyond their income, which is unsustainable.

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On 14/07/2019 at 07:32, Miah Dennehy said:

The more football becomes about money , the more this will happen. I wouldn't blame the fans, but I suspect there were a fair amount of them demanding that the chairman 'splashed the cash' in order to keep up with the Joneses, it happens at every club.

I guarantee you that during the course of the upcoming season there will be a fair few demanding that Lansdown gets his hand in his pocket, they would do well to remember 1982.

Wow an intelligent gashead who’d of thought it,

 

well said

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7 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

So rush goalies in the posh parts, and drop backs elsewhere! ?

I think it's also to do with age or what era you grew up in. As i grew up in Southmead but it was rush keepes when i was in school. I also remember it being called all hands on deck sometimes ha! ha!

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7 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Classic OTIB.

From the plight of Bolton to 'what did we call a flexible goalkeeping arrangement' when we were kids in under 60 posts.

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43 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Classic OTIB.

From the plight of Bolton to 'what did we call a flexible goalkeeping arrangement' when we were kids in under 60 posts.

Bolton? Don’t change the subject, Rob!

In St George it was drop backs - never heard of rush backs until I played 5-a-side with Essex boys many years later. Mind you, we never got out of St George much!

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4 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

Classic OTIB.

From the plight of Bolton to 'what did we call a flexible goalkeeping arrangement' when we were kids in under 60 posts.

Another 20 posts or so and we will move into fishy puns.

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Rush keepers or skellies we use to call it,

sorry to go off topic,

but if Bolton still only have 7 pro’s will the efl even let them start the season,

part of the golden share is agreeing to play your fixtures,

if bolton can’t get a team fro a friendly how the hell are they going to play 50 games next season?

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20 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

but if Bolton still only have 7 pro’s will the efl even let them start the season,

part of the golden share is agreeing to play your fixtures,

if bolton can’t get a team fro a friendly how the hell are they going to play 50 games next season?

Did n't Blackpool get to about 3 weeks before the season started with even less, maybe 5 FTP's ? Memory might be playing tricks but when they got relegated , I thought Oyston gutted the club and sold most of the players.
I always thought there was a rule in place where a team had to prove that they had the ability to complete a season, may have changed now. It really is a shambles, I read clips saying a takeover was in place paying 100% , or £1 in the £1, but this was refused. Another that someone saying they were ready to take over as someone (3rd party) had loaned them funds, £25m I believe. Wasn't there a period where there were 2 administrators involved? How do the EFL let it get to this position, they have to take some blame in this. 

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2 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

Did n't Blackpool get to about 3 weeks before the season started with even less, maybe 5 FTP's ? Memory might be playing tricks but when they got relegated , I thought Oyston gutted the club and sold most of the players.
I always thought there was a rule in place where a team had to prove that they had the ability to complete a season, may have changed now. It really is a shambles, I read clips saying a takeover was in place paying 100% , or £1 in the £1, but this was refused. Another that someone saying they were ready to take over as someone (3rd party) had loaned them funds, £25m I believe. Wasn't there a period where there were 2 administrators involved? How do the EFL let it get to this position, they have to take some blame in this. 

There’s a difference between the Bolton and Blackpool situations though,

bolton can’t sign anyone as they are in administration they have 7 pro’s and can’t pay them,

blackpool was just poor ownership, they had the money but wanted to pay trolly pusher wages instead of the going rate,

the owner of bolton had funds and proof of funds when he took over, he then switched off the tap,

that isn’t the efl’s Fault, you need to be a billionaire these days to own a competitive team in the top two divisions,

football is going to implode soon, all because of the greed at the very top of the game

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1 minute ago, Monkeh said:

bolton can’t sign anyone as they are in administration they have 7 pro’s and can’t pay them,

Ahh , didn't realise admin meant that. So I guess OOC , loans and free transfers?
Players not been payed for 5 months (though admin say they will be payed in full when deal done), EFL saying they don't think they will start the season while Admin saying player deals in place , again when deal done. Quick look at the statement stumbling block is selling the hotel !

A matter of weeks to, sell both Club and Hotel, convince the EFL they can complete the season  and recruit enough players to make a squad , let alone do a pre-season and forge a team. All in 2 weeks , it'll take some doing.

 

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56 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Ahh , didn't realise admin meant that. So I guess OOC , loans and free transfers?
Players not been payed for 5 months (though admin say they will be payed in full when deal done), EFL saying they don't think they will start the season while Admin saying player deals in place , again when deal done. Quick look at the statement stumbling block is selling the hotel !

A matter of weeks to, sell both Club and Hotel, convince the EFL they can complete the season  and recruit enough players to make a squad , let alone do a pre-season and forge a team. All in 2 weeks , it'll take some doing.

 

Yep, minor fees also bit like the transfer embargo 

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28 minutes ago, Taz said:

Now can't fulfil their Pre-season game against Preston....

23 team league season?

Looking increasingly likely.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17783753.amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Magennis and Otzuner handed in their notice, but not accepted by Administrators.  How does that work?  We all moan that footballers have it easy, but in situations like this, they appear to be stuck.

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7 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Looking increasingly likely.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17783753.amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Magennis and Otzuner handed in their notice, but not accepted by Administrators.  How does that work?  We all moan that footballers have it easy, but in situations like this, they appear to be stuck. 

It's all a bit odd. If they aren't being paid you'd assume they could walk, so maybe they have been paid? A quick google found these links:

https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/footballers-not-paid-wages/

https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/football-player-breaking-contracts/

but it's still not made thing clearer for me.

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17 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Looking increasingly likely.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17783753.amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Magennis and Otzuner handed in their notice, but not accepted by Administrators.  How does that work?  We all moan that footballers have it easy, but in situations like this, they appear to be stuck.

I thought players had the right to walk away if they haven't been paid for a certain period?

Edit: thanks @Sleepy1968

I have mixed feelings about this whole situation. On the one hand I think the game needs significant clubs to fold to come to its senses. On the other, I suspect it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference and clubs would carry on in the same reckless way. Goaded on by fans demanding they spend money they don't have.

Paraphrasing Gareth Southgate: love the game, hate the business.

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