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2 hours ago, Loderingo said:

Leyton Orient are another one who have found life tough in the shadow of bigger teams.  Teams like Yeovil and FGR are small clubs but they don't particularly have any local competition.

Our own relative success vs Rovers has seen us grow our combine share of local fans.  If you think at one point it was nearer 50/50 and it is now 75% City, 25% Rovers

You forgot the 90,000 gasheads locked out of the poll.

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A reaction by someone on their forum- the usual levels of class?

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1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

A typically "classy" reaction by someone on their forum.

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Really shows the mind-set of those tinpot scumbags.

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6 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

Anyone see that idiot at Bolton on Sky Sports news . How embarrassing 

Very very odd. Maybe ‘supports’  another team (if braincells of said individual allows them to carry out cognitive actions) but still very strange / sad / embarrassing regardless.  Reporter handled it very well though. 

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The EFL are a joke - simple as!

However as noted in that David Squires cartoon strip, your football is a wider reflection of your country:

Germany - highly organised; supporters owning 51% of a club’s shares; stability guaranteed, tradition and local relevance valued. 

England - no organisation; any chancer can own a club and drive it to the wall (or over a cliff); “it’s a free market” - winners and losers, “Devil take the hindmost”.

As a nation, our stock is rapidly dropping and the demise of Bury and Bolton is just another small symptom of our national affliction!

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1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

I thought that was an awful idea - did you really think fans of Bury, Oldham and Rochdale would have supported Manchester North End in their droves whilst watching their own clubs’ histories and traditions be expunged overnight? Would you be in favour of City merging with other clubs and changing the club’s name, stadium and kit colours etc? Would you go and watch? 

You were probably in favour of Hull City being renamed and Cardiff changing their home kit to red ...

Whatever happened to Bristol South End and Bedminster FC?

Your going off subject talking about kit changes and name changes.

 

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3 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

The EFL are a joke - simple as!

However as noted in that David Squires cartoon strip, your football is a wider reflection of your country:

Germany - highly organised; supporters owning 51% of a club’s shares; stability guaranteed, tradition and local relevance valued. 

England - no organisation; any chancer can own a club and drive it to the wall (or over a cliff); “it’s a free market” - winners and losers, “Devil take the hindmost”.

As a nation, our stock is rapidly dropping and the demise of Bury and Bolton is just another small symptom of our national affliction!

Absolutely.

This just about sums it up- when I first read it I thought 'it can't be true!'

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/port-vale-oyston-smurthwaite-blackpool-2708138

Yet he was in a Plan B as Bury's saviour. Though his Plan B sounded suspiciously like realising the value of Gigg Lane when he explained it today...

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55 minutes ago, TomF said:

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F**** state of that.  It's not transfer deadline day, you ***ts

Absolutely typical of Sky. Has Harry Redknapp been filmed hanging out of a Range Rover admitting he is considering buying one or other club?

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14 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Absolutely.

This just about sums it up- when I first read it I thought 'it can't be true!'

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/port-vale-oyston-smurthwaite-blackpool-2708138

Yet he was in a Plan B as Bury's saviour. Though his Plan B sounded suspiciously like realising the value of Gigg Lane when he explained it today...

Really sorry to do this, could you post the content of the article please?

I normally persist with ‘live’ websites but that one is absolutely riddled with refreshes and adverts.

The first couple of paragraphs seem quite interesting (in a shameful, ‘classic efl’ way)

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37 minutes ago, solihull cider red said:

Really sorry to do this, could you post the content of the article please?

I normally persist with ‘live’ websites but that one is absolutely riddled with refreshes and adverts.

The first couple of paragraphs seem quite interesting (in a shameful, ‘classic efl’ way)

It's not so bad on a computer but on a phone etc..

Sure. Incredible- the headline speaks volumes, even considering the track record of the EFL! It reads like a spoof article ie the Spoof.com or similar and considering the date it may as well be but you can't make up that stuff!

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The EFL on why Blackpool's Karl Oyston was mentor for Port Vale's Norman Smurthwaite

The EFL have responded to the Port Vale Supporters' Club about Karl Oyston and Norman Smurthwaite

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Michael Baggaley

20:00, 1 APR 2019

It was one of the most eyebrow raising comments of a memorable encounter between Port Vale owner Norman Smurthwaite and fans at a no--holds-barred supporters club meeting.

 

Smurthwaite was invited to the meeting last season fielded open questions from the floor for a couple of hours.

One such question was, is it actually true that the EFL gave then Blackpool chairman Karl Oyston to Smurthwaite as a mentor.

The Vale owner confirmed that was indeed the case.

Now the Supporters' Club have taken that issue up with the EFL asking why a chairman who was controversial at Blackpool would be a seen as a suitable mentor for the man at the helm of Port Vale.

 

Mark Porter, chairman of the Supporters' Club, wrote to the EFL asking for an explanation, and they wrote back.

The EFL explained that Oyston was assigned to Smurthwaite way back when the Vale owner was new to the club, having bought the Valiants out of administration in 2012/13.

They said: "Thanks for your email, we understand your concerns and note the comments you made throughout.

"In relation to your query regarding mentorship, at the time of Norman Smurthwaite's initial involvement at Port Vale, a then Football League mentor policy was in operation.

 

"This policy aimed to provide new owners with a mentor, to speak and liaise with in circumstances where they did not feel they were required to directly engage with the league.

"Blackpool's approach to player expenditure was of interest to Norman Smurthwaite, and he was assigned Karl Oyston as mentor who, during that time, had been voted as a Championship representative on the Football League board.

"Of course, these events fell prior to the well-documented difficulties that have since faced Blackpool FC.

  

"The EFL's overriding aim is to ensure the long-term sustainability of our 72 member clubs, and see our competitions, and the league prosper as a whole.

"While clubs have a responsibility to engage and consult with their fanbase, the EFL will look to advise supporters and supporters' groups on any relevant matters or ongoing concerns as appropriate."

The email was revealed by Porter during the last Vale Supporters' Club meeting at which members of the Blackpool Supporters Trust were guest speakers.

Karl Oyston was chairman of Blackpool from 1999 until February 2018. A large section of Blackpool fans have boycotted the club for the last four years over the way he and his father Owen Oyston ran the club.

But this February, Owen Oyston was removed from the board of the club. That was after Blackpool were put into receivership by the High Court. 

 

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6 minutes ago, 22A said:
Time's up, 2 less relegation places to worry about
That sums up Rovers as a club and the mentality and expectations of their fans. 

Tbh if we were in their position we’d do the same but shows they’re looking down rather than up in their division despite being the sixth richest club and all that 

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

A reaction by someone on their forum- the usual levels of class?

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Time's up, 2 less relegation places to worry about

Using the same clock to measure when they're 'coming for us....'

And typical levels of sag optimism, rather than make themselves better - rely on the collapse and failure of 2 teams below them.  Fingers crossed for both Bolton & Bury, if nothing else to piss the Fewers off.

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10 minutes ago, walnutroof said:

Tbh if we were in their position we’d do the same but shows they’re looking down rather than up in their division despite being the sixth richest club and all that 

I certainly wouldn't. Imagine being a fan of Bury or Bolton. It must be so sad. I wasnt around when we went through similar so I cant even imagine it. 

That said' we haven't been in the same division as those ******* across the river for god knows how long but my hate just seem to get stronger year by year for them. The day they go under will be a day to treasure.

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I've been watching BBC North West tonight.

Fans of about a dozen or more clubs turned up at Gigg Lane today to help prepare the stadium for Saturday's game.

Dale has now announced three more interested buyers of the club; one had been owner of Gateshead FC.

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Slightly off piste but still relevant to this topic, but not sure if already covered in previous 10+ pages.

Just looking at free agents on Transfermarkt, players out of contract, looking for a club - 

Forwards: JET, Gary Hooper, Chris O'Grady, Chris Dagnell, Sylvan Ebanks-Blake

Wingers: Will Buckley, Dean Bowditch, Matt Jarvis, Jermaine Pennant

Midfield: Peter Whittingham, Paul Anderson, Josh McEachran, Jack Rodwell

Centre Half: Michael Turner, Anton Ferdinard, Matthew Kilgallon, Roger Johnson

Full Back: Danny Simpson, Jordan Spence, Ryan Taylor, Adam Matthews, Alan Hutton

Goalkeeper: Jordan Archer, Boaz Myhill

With rose tinted glasses on and wishing that there was more compassion and understanding in the game, that some of these players would play for free for one more year and a combination with the young players at each club, give their knowledge to help with fielding a team and filling the stadium, reduced ticket prices etc, generating some income and PR.

Happy to be shot down for the idea.

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7 minutes ago, BanburyRed said:

Slightly off piste but still relevant to this topic, but not sure if already covered in previous 10+ pages.

Just looking at free agents on Transfermarkt, players out of contract, looking for a club - 

Forwards: JET, Gary Hooper, Chris O'Grady, Chris Dagnell, Sylvan Ebanks-Blake

Wingers: Will Buckley, Dean Bowditch, Matt Jarvis, Jermaine Pennant

Midfield: Peter Whittingham, Paul Anderson, Josh McEachran, Jack Rodwell

Centre Half: Michael Turner, Anton Ferdinard, Matthew Kilgallon, Roger Johnson

Full Back: Danny Simpson, Jordan Spence, Ryan Taylor, Adam Matthews, Alan Hutton

Goalkeeper: Jordan Archer, Boaz Myhill

With rose tinted glasses on and wishing that there was more compassion and understanding in the game, that some of these players would play for free for one more year and a combination with the young players at each club, give their knowledge to help with fielding a team and filling the stadium, reduced ticket prices etc, generating some income and PR.

Happy to be shot down for the idea.

Would you work for free for a year?

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47 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

It’s a wider societal problem in this country. Huge amounts of money sloshing around a few large clubs, some of which is of at least dubious origins, or the club has been mortgaged to the hilt to make the owners a profit (the Glazers), while the values of community and camaraderie that are the lifeblood of most of the clubs in the EFL count for nothing, especially when you see some of the people allowed to own them, a significant proportion of whom have had previous rulings against them in terms of business activities outside football.

IF (and it’s an enormous if) the EFL had any gumption, it would run a much tighter rein over clubs, including real “fit and proper” assessments of owners, plus direct supporter involvement at a high level. Any decent investigation into what has happened at Bolton & Bury would likely make similar recommendations, but I won’t hold my breath on it happening. Instead it will be the usual guff and hand-wringing about particular unfortunate circumstances etc, rather than dealing with the real substance of the problem. If it means some EFL clubs going semi-professional to survive, so be it. A Bury-Bolton derby amongst semi-pros in the third tier of English football is infinitely preferable to a competition containing “Man Utd B” v “Man City B”, however much that might suit Guardiola.

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3 hours ago, Up The City! said:

Whatever happened to Bristol South End and Bedminster FC?

Your going off subject talking about kit changes and name changes.

That’s a pretty desperate response - you think that Bury and Bolton merging is a good idea - I don’t.

You thought that Oldham, Rochdale and Bury merging was a good idea - I didn’t.

I'm not going off topic talking about kit changes and name changes - Hull’s owner wanting Hull City Tigers as a new name and Cardiff’s owner changing the home kit to red are examples of clubs’ histories and traditions being chucked away recklessly - mergers are the same ...

And on the subject of changes, if clubs merge, their kit changes and their name changes - pretty obvious really. 

You still haven’t answered the questions I’ve asked you a couple of times - if City merged with another club and played under a different name, in a different location and in a different kit - would you go and watch them?

And if Bury and Bolton merged under the name Bury Wanderers and played in Bolton - how many fans of each club do you think would watch ‘that’?

 

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Another well thought out piece, this time from Four Four Two. Warning: not for those with short attention spans!

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/what-english-football-can-learn-disasters-bolton-and-bury-so-they-cant-happen-again

A point I had missed was that Debbie Jevans is a temporary appointment. Can't say I am convinced that the EFL will not appoint another Shaun Harvey in due course. The loose regulation suits too many owners I fear and there will be resistance to any attempts by Jevans to introduce proper governance.

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58 minutes ago, BanburyRed said:

Slightly off piste but still relevant to this topic, but not sure if already covered in previous 10+ pages.

Just looking at free agents on Transfermarkt, players out of contract, looking for a club - 

Forwards: JET, Gary Hooper, Chris O'Grady, Chris Dagnell, Sylvan Ebanks-Blake

Wingers: Will Buckley, Dean Bowditch, Matt Jarvis, Jermaine Pennant

Midfield: Peter Whittingham, Paul Anderson, Josh McEachran, Jack Rodwell

Centre Half: Michael Turner, Anton Ferdinard, Matthew Kilgallon, Roger Johnson

Full Back: Danny Simpson, Jordan Spence, Ryan Taylor, Adam Matthews, Alan Hutton

Goalkeeper: Jordan Archer, Boaz Myhill

With rose tinted glasses on and wishing that there was more compassion and understanding in the game, that some of these players would play for free for one more year and a combination with the young players at each club, give their knowledge to help with fielding a team and filling the stadium, reduced ticket prices etc, generating some income and PR.

Happy to be shot down for the idea.

The major issue is that footballers in the lower leagues are paid a good salary but not “live for free for a year money” and people cut their cloths according to their means.

Many of those players will have mortgages etc and may genuinely be unable to make the sums work...

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8 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

To be fair, any event like this will have a few hangers on turn up just to be involved. Can’t see it is any way reflective of Bolton fans as a whole.

Exactly - the same happened outside George Michaels house when he died. Sad people who didn't know him or were even fans .....they just want to be part of "something" & and it being on telly exacerbates it.

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