RedRock Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, pillred said: And yet winning Wimbledon they both receive the same prize money, do you also think that's fair after saying yourself the comparison between the two is ludicrous? I don’t. Particularly as they play the best of 3 sets, not 5. And us men wonder why we die on average 4.5 years younger - the grossest injustice of supposed equality of the sexes. That said, still thought it was a decent watch tonight, with some excellent goals. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, phantom said: Of course you can have an opinion but the issue is you are comparing them to the mens league They are not in any mens league. Equality - The state of being equal. I compared the standard, because that’s what equality is. The level in the women’s game is of course the highest in England, however to be impartial and practice equality I compared it to the men’s game. It was a good game of women’s football. If you watched men play at that level, you would be watching Toolstation that was my comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Bs4Red said: Equality - The state of being equal. I compared the standard, because that’s what equality is. The level in the women’s game is of course the highest in England, however to be impartial and practice equality I compared it to the men’s game. It was a good game of women’s football. If you watched men play at that level, you would be watching Toolstation that was my comparison. You say the level played was both “poor”and “garbage” but then contradict yourself by saying it was a “good game” 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 5 hours ago, Bs4Red said: Equality - The state of being equal. I compared the standard, because that’s what equality is. The level in the women’s game is of course the highest in England, however to be impartial and practice equality I compared it to the men’s game. It was a good game of women’s football. If you watched men play at that level, you would be watching Toolstation that was my comparison. I don’t understand your point. When you watch the athletics, do you cheer on Dina Asher-Smith or do you just sit there and comment that men can run faster? I fully expect a professional men’s team to beat a professional women’s team. I’m not saying it would happen every single time, but given the biological differences, you would think it likely. So what? I don’t watch my kids play football and just pass comment that ‘of course the U’16s would beat this lot’ Did you enjoy it? That’s all that matters. I get that it feels ridiculous when in an effort to raise the profile of the game, it gets compared to men’s football. That’s unnecessary. You need to see past that and accept it and enjoy it for the sport that it is. If you do, great. If not, that’s cool too. I don’t enjoy every sport. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 9 hours ago, Bs4Red said: Why because I think the level is poor? Think it’s an honest opinion. I understand it’s improving etc. But the level of that is so poor. They need play on smaller pitches with smaller nets that would hugely improve the standard Smaller pitches and nets? Jesus man, listen to yourself. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 5 hours ago, RedLionLad said: You say the level played was both “poor”and “garbage” but then contradict yourself by saying it was a “good game” The level of the suburban league is poor but it still produces good games of football. Are you broken? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, Lew-T said: Smaller pitches and nets? Jesus man, listen to yourself. Well I mean it was literally spoken about by Fifa so I don’t think I’m far off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 9 hours ago, Bs4Red said: Why surely that’s what equality is? It wouldn't be right to not include the ladies with the men. So if I was comparing standards that’s what I believe? I think it's fairly futile comparing Women and Men's football. It's clear that Men's football is of a higher standard and that shouldn't be a surprise. If you judge women's football against men's football you'll always think it's a poor product. If you judge Bristol City Ladies against other women's teams then it's a fairer comparison and you'll probably enjoy the sport more. Personally I don't really enjoy women's football as much as men's football so don't take much of an interest. But I recognise the pointlessness of making a direct comparison between the two. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 27 minutes ago, Lew-T said: Smaller pitches and nets? Jesus man, listen to yourself. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shrinking-goals-and-pitches-could-improve-women-s-game-dr022ptrx She’s a few badges ahead of me but pretty sure this women’s credentials are good enough to listen too. Not sure you’d tell her to listen to herself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 27 minutes ago, Lew-T said: Smaller pitches and nets? Jesus man, listen to yourself. I believe Emma Hayes the current Chelsea womens manager is in favour of this. Wouldn't surprise me if a couple more were as well. https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/22/chelsea-women-manager-emma-hayes-urges-goals-made-smaller-womens-game-9640291/ Womens cricket boundaries are smaller, but then tennis courts aren't. I don't think it should be written off though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Carey 6 said: I believe Emma Hayes the current Chelsea womens manager is in favour of this. Wouldn't surprise me if a couple more were as well. https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/22/chelsea-women-manager-emma-hayes-urges-goals-made-smaller-womens-game-9640291/ Womens cricket boundaries are smaller, but then tennis courts aren't. I don't think it should be written off though. I just posted the same thing. Unfortunately this person doesn’t want to talk about the benefits. Would rather just tell me to listen to myself. Personally think it’s logical, as she explain average height of a keeper is significantly smaller than men. Would give keepers a chance and stop some ridiculous goals I’ve seen in recent years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: I believe Emma Hayes the current Chelsea womens manager is in favour of this. Wouldn't surprise me if a couple more were as well. https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/22/chelsea-women-manager-emma-hayes-urges-goals-made-smaller-womens-game-9640291/ Womens cricket boundaries are smaller, but then tennis courts aren't. I don't think it should be written off though. That's an interesting article. Reading that, it makes sense. I think people's instinct is to see it as patronising - but after reading that rationale it's actually fairly logical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 2 hours ago, 054123 said: I don’t understand your point. When you watch the athletics, do you cheer on Dina Asher-Smith or do you just sit there and comment that men can run faster? I fully expect a professional men’s team to beat a professional women’s team. I’m not saying it would happen every single time, but given the biological differences, you would think it likely. So what? I don’t watch my kids play football and just pass comment that ‘of course the U’16s would beat this lot’ Did you enjoy it? That’s all that matters. I get that it feels ridiculous when in an effort to raise the profile of the game, it gets compared to men’s football. That’s unnecessary. You need to see past that and accept it and enjoy it for the sport that it is. If you do, great. If not, that’s cool too. I don’t enjoy every sport. Thanks @054123 for your comments. As I read the posts, I've been composing a reply with my opinion(s). You must be a mind reader. I enjoy watching football at all levels from three year olds kicking a ball to and from Dad, or Mum, to World Cups with the cream at the very top. Yesterday evening was an interesting contest especially as it allowed me to escape the two hours of drivel from Oprah and the upset royals. And above all, as it was a team named Bristol City, my club, a very good result. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Few thoughts: - The changed dimensions to account for physicality is an interesting debate. What stuck out to me last night was not the technique being poorer as it wasn’t (The first and third goal were as good as the men have scored), but that both teams struggled to clear the ball because the purchase they got on clearances wasn’t good enough. That meant a lot of scrambling and less chance to use the technique! - Salmon. She’s a bit good. IIRC we had Lauren Hemp who went to Man City and I don’t believe has kicked on, so hoping that ES sees that and stays with City, if they stay up - A thorny issue, but the team are much improved form wise under Beard. The logical thing to do would be to try and secure him full time, but disposing of Oxtoby on Mat Leave is a very difficult scenario to manage.., All in all, a good way to spend a Monday night - entertaining, good goals, and a city win. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Yaga Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Just watched the highlights, nice to see at least one BCFC get a win at Ashton Gate. Great finish for the winning goal and after just making debut for England things are looking up for her. Quite a few teams dragged into the relegation battle now. As for smaller goals if you look at the WSL the teams in the bottom half average less than one goal a game so I don't think it would make it a better spectacle unless other changes were also made. Its ok for the Chelsea manager (who average 3 goals a game) to say that but for teams like BCFC I am not sure it would make things better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: Thanks @054123 for your comments. As I read the posts, I've been composing a reply with my opinion(s). You must be a mind reader. I enjoy watching football at all levels from three year olds kicking a ball to and from Dad, or Mum, to World Cups with the cream at the very top. Yesterday evening was an interesting contest especially as it allowed me to escape the two hours of drivel from Oprah and the upset royals. And above all, as it was a team named Bristol City, my club, a very good result. I enjoy football at all levels as well. What annoys me is I feel there is an expectation that as a fan of say Bristol City men’s team I should also support the women’s game. Regardless of whether I do or not, nobody should have to. Without wishing to derail the thread, there is a separate argument around not being able to have a nuanced conversation anymore and only being able to align yourself to an extreme of a discussion. My wife played decent football, our friends both played for Cheltenham Town and they all think the pitch and goal dimensions should be smaller. They think it would help make for a fairer, more skillful game. My mum is prime example of a latter day feminist who will constantly go on about the women’s game never being on the telly, but has also never watched a single game when it’s on . Apparently I should as I’m ‘the football fan’. Edited March 9, 2021 by 054123 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Bs4Red said: Why surely that’s what equality is? It wouldn't be right to not include the ladies with the men. So if I was comparing standards that’s what I believe? Equity not equality Equality vs Equity Edited March 9, 2021 by Banned User 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Just seen the goals & the technique on display was excellent, especially for Reading’s second & City’s 3rd. Also a brilliant bit of refereeing to play the advantage for City’s second. Of course the standard isn’t as high as upper level men’s football, but surely that’s irrelevant? If I watched a League Two game on Sky I wouldn’t think that player isn’t as good as De Bruyne, would I? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahanshahan Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Following the success of the watchalong for the game against Bournemouth, Bristol City Supporters Club & Trust are joining forces with Bristol City Vixencast to host another watchalong for this Sunday's Conti Cup Final between Chelsea & Bristol City (not often you get any Bristol City team in a cup final!) The game is live on BT Sport, but contact is being made with the club to see if BT Sport can stream the game on YouTube as well, like they do for other cup finals they have rights to. Joining the watchalong will be guests of honour, and former Bristol City/Academy players Corinne Yorston & Grace McCatty. The watchalong will start a 2:00pm with KO being at 2:30pm. To register your interest, please email citywomen@bristolcitysupporters.org 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Bones Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 I watched the game and enjoyed it I did think during the game that it would benefit from slightly smaller goals and maybe a slightly shorter pitch However some of the technical skills on display were impressive including several of the goals, but it seemed to me the best players stood out more than they do in the men’s game. I would suggest this is just a reflection of the stage of development of the women’s game and there is a lot more to come 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 11 hours ago, Bs4Red said: Well I mean it was literally spoken about by Fifa so I don’t think I’m far off Last night I watched a game that was end to end attacks and finished 3-2. That's basically football at it's best! Why would you change it when you're getting competitive, attacking football with no diving or shenanigans?! I don't care I'm watching Premier league, non-league, women or kids, if it's a good game it's a good game. And of the team wears a Bristol City shirt they get my support. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Man U 3 - 0 Villa Birmingham 0 - 4 Arsenal Brighton 2 - 0 Spurs Man C 1 - 0 Everton West Ham 0 - 2 Chelsea Based on the most recent results, why do they need smaller goals or smaller pitches? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, mozo said: Man U 3 - 0 Villa Birmingham 0 - 4 Arsenal Brighton 2 - 0 Spurs Man C 1 - 0 Everton West Ham 0 - 2 Chelsea Based on the most recent results, why do they need smaller goals or smaller pitches? I think it’s a good idea because of the physical differences and obviously the keeper being on average 5”5 would make a huge difference with smaller nets. Some of the goals keepers let in they can’t even get near. If the manager of Chelsea ladies and someone who people actually thought would be good as a manager of our club thinks it. I don’t understand why people who only watch football and have never studied the game or been involved in coaching etc would be saying it’s a ridiculous idea. She is someone with a position to have this opinion and I agree. But of course on here you can’t have a different opinion without people crying and telling you you’re an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bs4Red said: I think it’s a good idea because of the physical differences and obviously the keeper being on average 5”5 would make a huge difference with smaller nets. Some of the goals keepers let in they can’t even get near. If the manager of Chelsea ladies and someone who people actually thought would be good as a manager of our club thinks it. I don’t understand why people who only watch football and have never studied the game or been involved in coaching etc would be saying it’s a ridiculous idea. She is someone with a position to have this opinion and I agree. But of course on here you can’t have a different opinion without people crying and telling you you’re an idiot. Make the goals smaller and you'll see fewer goals scored - why would you do that when the number of goals are perfectly normal? The issue in your mind is the keeper not being able to reach but that doesn't have negative consequences except that you don't like the look of it. Forget the article, think about it rationally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, mozo said: Make the goals smaller and you'll see fewer goals scored - why would you do that when the number of goals are perfectly normal? The issue in your mind is the keeper not being able to reach but that doesn't have negative consequences except that you don't like the look of it. Forget the article, think about it rationally. Have you read the article? I mean like do you not watch the goals and just laugh. I don’t think that goals make a great game, I’ve watched good 0-0s it’s your perception of football. Having studied for 7 or so years I enjoy watching the tactical side. Goals are great but there is another side to it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 34 minutes ago, mozo said: Make the goals smaller and you'll see fewer goals scored - why would you do that when the number of goals are perfectly normal? The issue in your mind is the keeper not being able to reach but that doesn't have negative consequences except that you don't like the look of it. Forget the article, think about it rationally. You’d get even more goals with multi-ball over time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 2 hours ago, 054123 said: You’d get even more goals with multi-ball over time That would improve any match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, Bs4Red said: Have you read the article? I mean like do you not watch the goals and just laugh. I don’t think that goals make a great game, I’ve watched good 0-0s it’s your perception of football. Having studied for 7 or so years I enjoy watching the tactical side. Goals are great but there is another side to it The article states the average height of women in the UK is 5.3. That is not the average height of UK female goal keepers. The England Keeper Bardsley is 6.0 tall. In your last sentence you make a point about enjoyment and watching. That is not a coaching point. Implementing goal and pitch sizes would necessitate a huge overhaul of facilities. A impractical massive overhaul as experience and evidence shows within the age related phases in the male game those changes will not occur. At the U14 level kids play on adult pitches with adult goals because there were/are not the resources to support different. Age related phases are just that, the coaching and educational phases apply to both males and females, they are not phases solely based upon the physical but very much the psychological. Males and females playing on the same sized pitches, using the same sized goals, using the same coaching methods makes logical sense. The female game to improve it further needs more equivalence to the male game not less. Edited March 10, 2021 by Cowshed 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 13 hours ago, 054123 said: You’d get even more goals with multi-ball over time Especially with the standard of women goalkeepers.............. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Don’t get the bit about reducing the size of goals at all. We want more goals per game not less. In any event, since goal posts were invented the average men’s height has increased from around 5’5’’...so there’s an argument that men’s goals should be enlarged. Nope ‘level playing fields’ same game, same wages, same competition. Equality. If they want their own separate woman’s leagues that’s fine ... if so, base wages on income from gate receipts and sponsorships. Wasn’t it sometime pre-war when some women’s football drew crowds equal or in excess of those for men? Sure that women weren’t talking about cross subsidising income from their game with men’s then. Stop whinging, you have a ‘product’ that is marketable, with a few advantages currently over men, like little play acting, more goals so be positive, don’t resort to playing the victim card, go out and promote it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted March 10, 2021 Admin Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Especially with the standard of women goalkeepers.............. Ironic you say that as it is widely recognised that there are a number of VERY good goalkeepers in the WSL, Sophie Baggaley being one of those. I assume that you watch games? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Especially with the standard of women goalkeepers.............. Don't forget that the women's game is still in it's infancy compared to the men. Men's football has been a national institution for 150 years, whereas for females there has been a lack of access to, and general disapproval of, their participation. Now that the "it's a men's game" dinosaurs are dying out, female participation is growing, social norms are changing and standards are increasing with each decade that goes by. Supporters of the women's game get tetchy at the ridicule of standards because what would really help is positivity. I find that tennis is an interesting example of a sport where the physical attributes of the female participants actually enhances the sport. They can't rely on powerful serves to churn out aces and instead you see more rallies. Likewise, in football, the women's game might become more technical because it suits their attributes, but for that to happen we need there to be a society that encourages female participation and gives them the opportunities that men have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 minute ago, phantom said: Ironic you say that as it is widely recognised that there are a number of VERY good goalkeepers in the WSL, Sophie Baggaley being one of those. I assume that you watch games? I doubt he is interested in Womens Football...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, phantom said: Ironic you say that as it is widely recognised that there are a number of VERY good goalkeepers in the WSL, Sophie Baggaley being one of those. I assume that you watch games? Occasionally if it’s England. I’m probably in the minority here but women’s football doesn’t grab my attention in the same way that men’s football does. I watched quite a bit of City ladies v Reading on BT the other night and there are some skilled players but I found acres of space in both midfields that you just don’t see in the men’s game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 8 hours ago, mozo said: I find that tennis is an interesting example of a sport where the physical attributes of the female participants actually enhances the sport. They can't rely on powerful serves to churn out aces and instead you see more rallies. Likewise, in football, the women's game might become more technical because it suits their attributes, but for that to happen we need there to be a society that encourages female participation and gives them the opportunities that men have. Cricket too. Because the bowlers can`t hurl it down at ninety miles an hour and the batters can`t smack it 120yds the emphasis is far more on technical skills like spin. It`s one of the reasons I enjoy watching women`s cricket. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 10 hours ago, Cowshed said: The article states the average height of women in the UK is 5.3. That is not the average height of UK female goal keepers. The England Keeper Bardsley is 6.0 tall. In your last sentence you make a point about enjoyment and watching. That is not a coaching point. Implementing goal and pitch sizes would necessitate a huge overhaul of facilities. A impractical massive overhaul as experience and evidence shows within the age related phases in the male game those changes will not occur. At the U14 level kids play on adult pitches with adult goals because there were/are not the resources to support different. Age related phases are just that, the coaching and educational phases apply to both males and females, they are not phases solely based upon the physical but very much the psychological. Males and females playing on the same sized pitches, using the same sized goals, using the same coaching methods makes logical sense. The female game to improve it further needs more equivalence to the male game not less. Maybe we could compromise by making the goals bigger in the men's game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Cricket too. Because the bowlers can`t hurl it down at ninety miles an hour and the batters can`t smack it 120yds the emphasis is far more on technical skills like spin. It`s one of the reasons I enjoy watching women`s cricket. Yes because I forgot they don’t bring the boundary in 20 odds yards in women’s cricket. Literally negates your point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 2 hours ago, mozo said: Maybe we could compromise by making the goals bigger in the men's game In honesty mate I don’t care if they make it smaller or not just thought it was an interesting topic and one of the top women’s coaches is for it. I guess she knows very little compared to the clowns of otib. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 13 hours ago, Cowshed said: The article states the average height of women in the UK is 5.3. That is not the average height of UK female goal keepers. The England Keeper Bardsley is 6.0 tall. In your last sentence you make a point about enjoyment and watching. That is not a coaching point. Implementing goal and pitch sizes would necessitate a huge overhaul of facilities. A impractical massive overhaul as experience and evidence shows within the age related phases in the male game those changes will not occur. At the U14 level kids play on adult pitches with adult goals because there were/are not the resources to support different. Age related phases are just that, the coaching and educational phases apply to both males and females, they are not phases solely based upon the physical but very much the psychological. Males and females playing on the same sized pitches, using the same sized goals, using the same coaching methods makes logical sense. The female game to improve it further needs more equivalence to the male game not less. I never once said it’s a coaching point. I said what I enjoy is there tactical side of the game. I agree about the resources but that doesn’t mean if it wasn’t available it wouldn’t be changed. I disagree with the last statement, women are gifted with a different skill set even in football to men, honing in on those would improve the women’s game and at the county development levels they certainly don’t train the same way as the men, from experience of some CPD events I can tell you that for a fact. Every aspect of coaching has the four corner model in mind, none of these work alone and therefore none is more important than the other. Having worked in some academies and watched the way clubs work, I can assure you they base a lot of their football for youngers on smaller pitches and almost all their game related training is on pitches 3/4 the size of the one they play on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 On 08/03/2021 at 20:55, shahanshahan said: What a pass that is! On 08/03/2021 at 22:21, Bs4Red said: I’m all for equality and that but the level of that was garbage. A good win but Toolstation teams beat them I disagree. Not City of course, but I've watched a Womens youth England game at St Georges Park with my football team (and I've played at a decent semi pro level myself recently) and we all commented on how much better they actually are when you watch in person. It was a bit odd, but they zip the ball around and it's one-two touch and gone. Obviously not every player/team is that good, but I'd say the decent womens time would outplay a Toolstation mens team. The men would have the physicality but that only counts if you get near them. I dont think its a fair comparison to compare the mens teams to the womens, its just unnecessary but they're better than you'd think. They're also far fitter and more athletic than most toolstation players. On 09/03/2021 at 07:43, Lew-T said: Smaller pitches and nets? Jesus man, listen to yourself. It's been discussed though hasn't it, women are on average about 6 inches shorter than men though as someone else said Men have grown since the goals were created so maybe its the men's that need to be bigger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 10 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Cricket too. Because the bowlers can`t hurl it down at ninety miles an hour and the batters can`t smack it 120yds the emphasis is far more on technical skills like spin. It`s one of the reasons I enjoy watching women`s cricket. On the cricket show a while back the lack of real pace from female fast bowlers could be rectified by shortening the wicket to 20yds from 22yds. Sounded like a good idea to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Bs4Red said: I never once said it’s a coaching point. I said what I enjoy is there tactical side of the game. I agree about the resources but that doesn’t mean if it wasn’t available it wouldn’t be changed. I disagree with the last statement, women are gifted with a different skill set even in football to men, honing in on those would improve the women’s game and at the county development levels they certainly don’t train the same way as the men, from experience of some CPD events I can tell you that for a fact. Every aspect of coaching has the four corner model in mind, none of these work alone and therefore none is more important than the other. Having worked in some academies and watched the way clubs work, I can assure you they base a lot of their football for youngers on smaller pitches and almost all their game related training is on pitches 3/4 the size of the one they play on. You are making points about coaching using links to coaches and mentioning standards - These will with respect apply to coaching. The lack of resources would affect standards of coaching and opportunity. Its hard to see how doing something that would be highly impractical would equal improvement. 10 hours ago, Bs4Red said: I disagree with the last statement, women are gifted with a different skill set even in football to men, honing in on those would improve the women’s game and at the county development levels they certainly don’t train the same way as the men, from experience of some CPD events I can tell you that for a fact. I do not understand your point. I posted something like females playing on the same sized pitches makes logical sense. It makes sense because there are not the resources to do otherwise. 10 hours ago, Bs4Red said: Every aspect of coaching has the four corner model in mind, none of these work alone and therefore none is more important than the other. Yes. And corners overlap. All corners overlap with the psychological. Age related phases are based on understanding humans have. The coaching at the foundation stage should be technical and fun because kids brains are not developed enough to understand the tactical or complex. 10 hours ago, Bs4Red said: Having worked in some academies and watched the way clubs work, I can assure you they base a lot of their football for youngers on smaller pitches and almost all their game related training is on pitches 3/4 the size of the one they play on. I have not said anything different. Coaching methodology will mean and should that training takes in many forms - Small sided games in tight spaces/ coaching in units etc are forms of the constant. Edited March 11, 2021 by Cowshed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahanshahan Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Episode 18 of Bristol City Vixencast is out now! Back from the international break, D-M, Nat and I talk – a lot – about that game at Ashton Gate, in a bad night for the Royals (sounds familiar). We go into detail of an extraordinary footballing spectacle, in what is already being described as the best WSL game of the season. Under the floodlights on a feelgood International Women’s Day, Matt Beard’s Vixens showed us exactly what they are capable of. We relive a glorious team performance; those goals by Wellings, Purfield and Salmon; and celebrate no longer being bottom of the league, and talk about our brief encounter with ex-Bristol Academy & England goalkeeper Siobhan Chamberlain, who was doing commentary. We also report on all the latest City Women news and look forward to Sunday’s Conti-Cup final against Chelsea. Listen & follow subscribe here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 I have just seen the goals from the other night, the first City goal was good, the last was superb. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Sadly I will miss the final due to work but hope the team give a good account of themselves and wish them all the best for tomorrow and their league campaign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Fox Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Good luck to our girls tomorrow 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahanshahan Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 On 09/03/2021 at 13:44, shahanshahan said: Following the success of the watchalong for the game against Bournemouth, Bristol City Supporters Club & Trust are joining forces with Bristol City Vixencast to host another watchalong for this Sunday's Conti Cup Final between Chelsea & Bristol City (not often you get any Bristol City team in a cup final!) The game is live on BT Sport in the UK, and on FA Player internationally. Joining the watchalong will be guests of honour, and former Bristol City/Academy players Corinne Yorston & Grace McCatty. The watchalong will start a 2:00pm with KO being at 2:30pm. To register your interest, please email citywomen@bristolcitysupporters.org Looking forward to this tomorrow! If you still want to take part, don't forget to sign up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/mar/13/bristol-city-humphrey-baggaley-chelsea-continental-league-cup-final?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other interesting read in today’s Guardian. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 On 09/03/2021 at 07:50, Bs4Red said: The level of the suburban league is poor but it still produces good games of football. Are you broken? Bit of a strange question, don’t you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Good luck to the ladies today. A tall order to beat this Chelsea side but guess you never know in sport. Finally get to see Bristol City in a cup final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Good luck ladies , give it all an maybe, just maybe you will bring the cup back . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Not sure the bookies fancy us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erithacus Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Hoping for a good performance today, although the odds are not favourable. I suspect Chelsea will have some plans to isolate Salmon and make it difficult to get forwards. However, this team under Matt Beard has shaken off the early season form and aren't going to be a pushover. It's been a while since our last final appearances. As the Academy, the girls were FA Cup finalists in 2011 and 2013, beaten in both by Arsenal. Ironically, during that era the 2012 final was held at Ashton Gate but that saw Birmingham beat Chelsea on penalties. COYR! COYV! Quote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahanshahan Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Game recognises game. Great tweet from Kasey Palmer (and credit to 3PIAPC)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahanshahan Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 What the City dressing room will look like at Vicarage Road today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahanshahan Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 17 hours ago, shahanshahan said: Looking forward to this tomorrow! If you still want to take part, don't forget to sign up! Zoom watchalong with Bristol City Supporters Club & Trust and Bristol City Vixencast still on today. Registration closes at 1:00pm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Can’t even find anything on Sky bet, I guess they think it’s so one sided. C’mon City, let’s cause a major upset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Just now, ralphindevon said: C’mon City, let’s cause a major upset That won’t happen. I’ll be surprised if City women lose by less than 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, Robbored said: That won’t happen. I’ll be surprised if City women lose by less than 4. The odds I have seen still have Chelsea favourites with City given a 4 goal start, so as you say, unlikely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Island Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Whatever the result what a remarkable acheivement for our girls COYR 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardy Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) Will be interesting to see if Chelsea are broken by their midweek European travels. On that basis alone we have a small chance. Stay in the game for the first half then try & out run them in the second. COYRs. Edited March 14, 2021 by Cardy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Go on girls, make them sit up and take note, all the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRIAN WILSON Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 I would have thought that the game would be streamed on The FA Player Any links ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatcham red Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 BT Sport 2 only unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted March 14, 2021 Admin Share Posted March 14, 2021 Awful start, Purfield caught out out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, BRIAN WILSON said: I would have thought that the game would be streamed on The FA Player 5 minutes ago, thatcham red said: BT Sport 2 only unfortunately Any links ?? It is on FA Player if you use a VPN as overseas only 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRIAN WILSON Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Just now, And Its Smith said: It is on FA Player if you use a VPN as overseas only Many thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Going as expected unfortunately. Nothing against City but Chelsea just too good. When they are spending over £200k on a player then hard to get close to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) Just switched on 0-2 13 mins Edited March 14, 2021 by Davefevs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted March 14, 2021 Admin Share Posted March 14, 2021 Just now, Davefevs said: Just switched on 0-2 13 mins About mistake for second goal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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