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1 minute ago, ralphindevon said:

One of the biggest differences in the men’s /women’s games for me is the goalkeeping. Moments like that 3rd goal seem to be more common, I wonder if the goals are too big as I guess the keepers are overall smaller than the men

Goal sizes were decided over 100 years ago where the average height of a man was 3 inches shorter. Probably closer to a woman today than a man today.

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6 minutes ago, Banned User said:

Goal sizes were decided over 100 years ago where the average height of a man was 3 inches shorter. Probably closer to a woman today than a man today.

Apparently City’s keeper today is just over 5’.5” 

Compared to Dan Bentley just over 6’.1” 

8” difference to play in the same goal seems a lot

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3 minutes ago, ralphindevon said:

Apparently City’s keeper today is just over 5’.5” 

Compared to Dan Bentley just over 6’.1” 

8” difference to play in the same goal seems a lot

5.5" was the average height for a 21 year old man, in the UK, in 1900 so you could argue the men are too big for the nets now.

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Erithacus

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Well that was a miserable first half.


Chelsea were all too capable of capitalising on our mistakes. Too often we had little composure or application and that caused some uncharacteristic errors. Baggers has not let us down much all season, but today was not the day. Daniels is normally better with her distribution and the marking was always going to be difficult against a team packed full of internationals.

Salmon has hardly seen the ball, and then about 40 yards from our own line. The midfield is reduced to a lot of shadow chasing. Once they got off to a bad start so early it forces them to drop back; that confines the play in our own back yard. If there is a chance to go forwards, they then leave some open areas for Chelsea to expoit. They have us where they want us.

However, it still is a terrible scoreline to be in with. Beard may have to make some serious changes, although I can't see it making any real difference. It will be about restoring some pride to take into the remainder of the league season. That's the priority.

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AppyDAZE

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8 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

Shocking for all 4. Sorry, but it's true.

 

7 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Female goalkeepers are pretty useless.  The odd exception of course but generally they’re crap.

 

3 minutes ago, Banned User said:

Speaking biologically, woman have worse spacial awareness, they didn't hunt like men.

Queue "that's why they can't park"  jokes. Probably some truth in it mind..

Who's going to be the first to come on here and give us all a bollocking, for being out of order?

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Bristol Rob

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2 minutes ago, pillred said:

How the hell do you watch this game I can't find mention of it anywhere?

BT Sport 2

2 minutes ago, pillred said:

How the hell do you watch this game I can't find mention of it anywhere?

BT Sport 2

2 minutes ago, pillred said:

How the hell do you watch this game I can't find mention of it anywhere?

BT Sport 2

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Erithacus

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What a disappointment that turned out to be. It's a real shame that City were comprehensively outclassed but that's the reality: Chelsea's bench had more internationals than the Vixens' squad. The gulf was enormous and after an awful start there was only one way this game would pan out.

I was hoping the girls would show more of the sort of abilities they have in recent weeks but we hardly had a sniff. Perhaps a consolation goal would have been handy.

We might look at the starting formation and question it but I don't think that mere tactics were the problem. Chelsea thought quicker, ran quicker and were a country mile better technically. They were expecting good things to happen and made them. Simple.

City had some respectable individual performances but overall were second best in almost all departments, too often arriving behind the opponents.

Mielda's injury looks pretty bad, maybe the curse of the female knee. As an international that will be a serious worry.

But in the fullness of time, we need to be back to the routine of league games. It might be that we're used to adversity - after all, we lost 9-0 to Chelsea before so maybe there is something to hang on to.

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

When one team is so much better than the other, gotta expect results like this.

The game is still evolving.  Enjoy it for what is.  Stop comparing it to the men’s game.

Absolutely. From what I know of the two teams that was the equivalent of an U23's team playing an full international team. Let's celebrate them reaching a final rather denigrate them for todays result.

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shahanshahan

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With the 6-0 loss today, as well as losing 9-0 at Kingsmeadow, and 5-0 at Twerton Park, Chelsea once again proving ruthless against teams like City.
Second half was slightly better, but the injury to Mjelde is very worrying! Hope she gets well soon.

Massive achievement for City to reach the final nonetheless. First Conti Cup Final where neither Arsenal or Man City have reached.

Also, thanks to everyone who took part in the Zoom watchalong with the Vixencast and Supporters Club & Trust.
Myself and the other podcast hosts are taking a break for a couple of hours and recording tonight.
Would love to hear people's thoughts?

 

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4 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

Did the woman use to be quite good? About 6-8 years ago we were in Europe? What's happened.

Other clubs are spending increasing amounts on players and coaching. The WSL is effectively two divisions in one, with the “haves” at the top and the “have nots” at the bottom. City just don’t compete on player fees and wages and the gap is growing

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3 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

Did the woman use to be quite good? About 6-8 years ago we were in Europe? What's happened.

Yep, famously beat Barcelona at Ashton Gate to reach the Champions League quarter finals in 2014.
That was back when they were the independent Bristol Academy.
Some (not me) have argued that since the team got taken over by Bristol City, that it's hindered the team. And that other teams have had more investment, and/or have leapt above them in terms of trophies/performances etc.

Nowadays, you have the "top 4" in the WSL (Chelsa, Man City, Arsenal, and now, Man Utd) and a worrying trend that other WSL teams can't catch up.
Also, it's not necessarily always a branding/exposure issue, as Liverpool got relegated while their men's team went on to win the Premier League.

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Erithacus

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The reality of modern English football regardless of gender: money talks and the WSL might stand for Wealth Secures Leadership. It will prompt many to ask how the Vixens fit into the overall Bristol Sport portfolio, but if they had remained as The Academy you might ponder where would they be now?

Either way, it is what it is. Move on to the Man City game, (possibly not much joy there) but then it's up against Spurs, Birmingham and Villa - all vital matches.

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2 hours ago, shahanshahan said:

Some (not me) have argued that since the team got taken over by Bristol City, that it's hindered the team. And that other teams have had more investment, and/or have leapt above them in terms of trophies/performances etc.

Interesting point, but Bristol Rovers, SGS etc surely couldn't invest more than we do?

The WSL etc is very similar to what happened in Rugby Union, investment has massively changed and certain clubs have massively improved whilst a small handful have at best stood still. 

What surprises me most is there's real investment in the men's football, bears and flyers set ups but nothing major for the women. 

During the game today it mentioned top players transfer for about £200k so even mid table quality wouldn't seemingly be that great. 

I am intrigued to see what happens with Matt Beard at the end of the season, he's visibly improved the squad, and let's be honest we'd be down without a fight if he hadn't come aboard. Surely it's a massive backwards step letting him go?

Finally the team should be proud and massively congratulated on making the final today 

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3 hours ago, Erithacus said:

What a disappointment that turned out to be. It's a real shame that City were comprehensively outclassed but that's the reality: Chelsea's bench had more internationals than the Vixens' squad. The gulf was enormous and after an awful start there was only one way this game would pan out.

I was hoping the girls would show more of the sort of abilities they have in recent weeks but we hardly had a sniff. Perhaps a consolation goal would have been handy.

We might look at the starting formation and question it but I don't think that mere tactics were the problem. Chelsea thought quicker, ran quicker and were a country mile better technically. They were expecting good things to happen and made them. Simple.

City had some respectable individual performances but overall were second best in almost all departments, too often arriving behind the opponents.

Mielda's injury looks pretty bad, maybe the curse of the female knee. As an international that will be a serious worry.

But in the fullness of time, we need to be back to the routine of league games. It might be that we're used to adversity - after all, we lost 9-0 to Chelsea before so maybe there is something to hang on to.

I don't know what if any regulations on finance exist in Women's football but the difference in the ridiculous amounts spent by the men's Premier League top clubs in their Women's teams is obscene - bears no resemblance of the gate money received. A Premier League problem magnified many times in the Women's game.

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4 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

The 70’s called. They’ve just asked for their joke back.

You can tell there are a few people posting on this thread whose only interaction with women nowadays is a certain online 'hub...

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15 hours ago, phantom said:

During the game today it mentioned top players transfer for about £200k so even mid table quality wouldn't seemingly be that great. 

I am intrigued to see what happens with Matt Beard at the end of the season, he's visibly improved the squad, and let's be honest we'd be down without a fight if he hadn't come aboard. Surely it's a massive backwards step letting him go?

Finally the team should be proud and massively congratulated on making the final today 

Yep, Pernille Harder for Chelsea broke the transfer record when she joined from Wolfsburg last year.
Personally, I'd love to see Beard stay, as well as the team stay in the WSL.
I'd be worried if Tanya Oxtoby returned and took the team to yet another relegation battle for a third successive season.
I can see now why she wasn't sacked at the time (it would look bad for any organisation if they sacked someone while they were pregnant)

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Erithacus

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A real test of the girls' mettle, and back to Twerton. It will show Beard who has the appetite for the fight for the rest of the season.

Elsewhere, West Ham take on Birmingham and Villa are home to Brighton - both could be key games.

COYR! COYV!

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Not so bad as some might have predicted and the stats seem to show it wasn't all one-way traffic. Cause for optimism?

Crucially, Villa lost as well but the Hammers earned a 2-2 draw. That lifts them up on GD with City back on the bottom, Villa a point above. The bottom five teams are now separated by just 4 points. It's going to be a desperate end to this season.

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5 minutes ago, Erithacus said:

Not so bad as some might have predicted and the stats seem to show it wasn't all one-way traffic. Cause for optimism?

Crucially, Villa lost as well but the Hammers earned a 2-2 draw. That lifts them up on GD with City back on the bottom, Villa a point above. The bottom five teams are now separated by just 4 points. It's going to be a desperate end to this season.

Tottenham and Birmingham both away next two Sundays 

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https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/12251188/coronavirus-government-hands-out-680000-grant-to-help-six-womens-football-clubs

"Six women's football clubs have been handed grants totalling £680,000 from the Government's sport winter survival package.

WSL clubs Birmingham City Women and Bristol City Women, along with second-tier Women's Championship teams Blackburn Rovers Ladies, Lewes FC Women, London Bees and London City Lionesses will receive the funding, taking the Government's total support for women's football to £2.9m.

The money will help cover the lack of spectators, allowing the clubs to complete their seasons."

Don't know if it's a coincidence that all the clubs listed are either independent, or don't have their respective men's team play in the Premier League.
The other WSL club that doesn't have their men's team in the Premier League is Reading.
I believe all teams in the WSL & Championship are subject to the winter survival package, but it's interesting to see City Women & these other five clubs stand out

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Also, does anyone know what Steve Lansdown said in the Robins TV build-up (and other) coverage of the Conti Cup Final?
I couldn't watch it as it clashed with the Zoom watchalong.

Mainly asking as I came across this Sky Sports article which has quoted this:

"Chelsea Women is "a critical part of Chelsea and shapes who we are as a club," Abramovich has told Forbes in a rare interview.
"I see no reason why clubs wouldn't want to support women's football and provide the best possible opportunity for them to succeed," he said.

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An interesting decision. Just who made it and were they part of an independent government department or a football insider? It is a highly political move that has highlighted the uneven financial playing field we have at the top of the women's game. What do the excluded teams make of it?

I guess it works out to about £100,000 for City. Useful but not a game-changer.

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On 20/03/2021 at 12:05, Erithacus said:

An interesting decision. Just who made it and were they part of an independent government department or a football insider? It is a highly political move that has highlighted the uneven financial playing field we have at the top of the women's game. What do the excluded teams make of it?

I guess it works out to about £100,000 for City. Useful but not a game-changer.

Probably seen as the fact that, at least in the WSL, City have apparently struggled the most with finances.
At least the Conti Cup Final prize money, whatever that amount is, will also be a boost, as well as selling Chloe Logarzo to Kansas City in the NWSL during the January transfer window

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Just watched the first half, first time I've watched our women play. Our front players look handy, our defenders win plenty of ball but have no idea what to do with it (mostly just give it back to the opposition), midfield is just non-existent. Plenty of effort but our girls don't seem capable of stringing 3 passes together. Salmon feeding off scraps all the time.

Contrast with Spurs players who look up and pick a pass, fortunately for our girls Spurs have no quality up front.

We are still in the game, and maybe we can get lucky that one of our hit and hope forward balls can be latched onto. 

 

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