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1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I agree that it's good we have a women's team under the Bristol Sport umbrella. But I'm not sure there are 'plenty' who are interested in it. How would you quantify that? 

I'm not sure you could quantify it, but I regard myself as a fairly average fan and am certainly interested to a certain extent since they came under the Bristol Sport unmbrella in that I look out for their results etc.

I am sure I'm not alone.

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If the financial climate wasn't so bad Lansdown might have been tempted to invest more in the women. There are so few clubs with proper funding that there's a real opportunity to have a top side. Just look at Lyon.

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23 minutes ago, richwwtk said:

I'm not sure you could quantify it, but I regard myself as a fairly average fan and am certainly interested to a certain extent since they came under the Bristol Sport unmbrella in that I look out for their results etc.

I am sure I'm not alone.

I can see the benefit of investing in it, even if it's essentially a loss making product (not just in a financial sense). 

You're right it is difficult to quantify, the impression I get is that on average our supporters will keep an eye on the result if we're playing a famous women's side (ie Arsenal) and it's promoted via the Bristol City FC social media channels. They wouldn't go out of their way to follow the side though. Clearly there are exceptions to this such as yourself. 

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Wednesday night sees the first match in this seasons FA Continental Cup, home to London Bees.

The Bees are bottom of the Championship - played 3, lost 3. Scored 1 and conceded 10.

This really should be a hammering for us, as the gulf between the two leagues is massive

After that we play Aston Villa and Birmingham - the two sides immediately above us in the table, both very winnable games and hopefully the result against London Bees will give them the confidence going into Sunday's home game

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I watched a woman’s game on the tele yesterday, Chelsea v Birmingham. Not particularly entertaining I couldn't put me finger on it first but then after 30 mins I realised there haven’t been one tackle.  It was like watching a training game , some very nice touches, ball retention was good but there was no aggression, no bite and no edge to the game. 
How many times you’ve been watching a game and it’s boring and then some one puts a crunching tackle in and it really gets everyone going. 
I would like to see the woman get in the opponents faces , it’s all to nice . 

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56 minutes ago, bs3 said:

I watched a woman’s game on the tele yesterday, Chelsea v Birmingham. Not particularly entertaining I couldn't put me finger on it first but then after 30 mins I realised there haven’t been one tackle.  It was like watching a training game , some very nice touches, ball retention was good but there was no aggression, no bite and no edge to the game. 
How many times you’ve been watching a game and it’s boring and then some one puts a crunching tackle in and it really gets everyone going. 
I would like to see the woman get in the opponents faces , it’s all to nice . 

One sort of counterpoint to that... I watched the latter stages of the women's Champions League and one of the impressive things I noticed (BIG contrast with the men's CL) was there was no diving! It was different from what you saw because there were actually some challenges and physicality was allowed. Like with the lower leagues in men's football. 

It's quite ironic that in the CL, Neymar et al were flinging themselves to ground and yelping at every contact, yet the PSG Women stayed on their feet and didn't 'bitch'!

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5 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Won 4-0 tonight, maybe they are getting themselves together.

That's in the league cup against lesser opposition but will no doubt give them lift ahead of some more winnable league games :clapping:

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36 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Won 4-0 tonight, maybe they are getting themselves together.

 

28 minutes ago, mozo said:

That's in the league cup against lesser opposition but will no doubt give them lift ahead of some more winnable league games :clapping:

Probably won't play weaker opposition this season, but can only beat what is in front of them.

Two very winnable games ahead now in the league 

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Yes, Villa at home this Sunday. They won 1-0 at home to Sheffield United tonight - that after a 0-6 stuffing by a rampant Everton side last weekend. If the Man City/Arsenal games don't define our season, then these upcoming ones will. It would be great to see that they are 'getting themselves together' now.

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The game this weekend against Villa has been postponed

Bristol City Women’s Barclays FAWSL fixture against Aston Villa will no longer be played on Sunday, October 11th following discussion and agreement with the FA. 

The fixture which was due to take place on Sunday will no longer be played, due to a positive COVID-19 case in the Aston Villa camp. As a result, our opponents are following the government protocols and isolating to prevent the further spread of the virus.

Whilst we’re disappointed to not fulfil the fixture, the safety of players and staff from both sides remains paramount in these unprecedented times, and we are working with the FA and Aston Villa on a rescheduled fixture date.

Everyone at Bristol City Women wishes all affected at Aston Villa well in their recovery. 

TAKEN FROM: https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/robins-fixture-against-villa-postponed/

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On 05/10/2020 at 18:56, bs3 said:

I watched a woman’s game on the tele yesterday, Chelsea v Birmingham. Not particularly entertaining I couldn't put me finger on it first but then after 30 mins I realised there haven’t been one tackle.  It was like watching a training game , some very nice touches, ball retention was good but there was no aggression, no bite and no edge to the game. 
How many times you’ve been watching a game and it’s boring and then some one puts a crunching tackle in and it really gets everyone going. 
I would like to see the woman get in the opponents faces , it’s all to nice . 

You wanted tackles.... you get tackles...

 

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Two down to Birmingham at half time. 

Lots of possession but offering so little up front. 

City only playing with one up front and she is completely isolated. 

Carla Humphrey only player offering anything for City at the moment, she was unlucky twice at nil nil with deflections taking her goal bound shots off target. 

Citys shape has to change otherwise this is a winnable game not finished off

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Genuine question.

Given how little it would cost Steve Lansdown to support the Women’s team compared to pretty much City, the rugby club and the Flyers, why is it that they always seem to be struggling and their best players going elsewhere? How much are they earning? It can’t be that much and the jump to bringing in some top players must be so much less.

The point is that the national media, particularly the BBC, give a lot more attention to the women’s game than many other parts of “Bristol Sport”, so one might think getting more publicity through a successful women’s team was a cheap way of selling the brand.

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4 games, 4 defeats and a minus 19 goal difference (with 10 minutes left of this game) 

It's clear that the City women's team lags badly in the support that other parts of Bristol Sport have enjoyed. 

A serious overhaul is needed on and off the pitch to keep up with the rest of the WSL. It's almost certain at the moment that the Ladies side will be welcoming the likes of Keynsham and MK Don's to Twerton next season. 

If crowds come back to football, how many potential fans are going to drive from Bristol to Bath to watch a Women's National League South Game? Not many I'd bet. 

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52 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

Genuine question.

Given how little it would cost Steve Lansdown to support the Women’s team compared to pretty much City, the rugby club and the Flyers, why is it that they always seem to be struggling and their best players going elsewhere? How much are they earning? It can’t be that much and the jump to bringing in some top players must be so much less.

The point is that the national media, particularly the BBC, give a lot more attention to the women’s game than many other parts of “Bristol Sport”, so one might think getting more publicity through a successful women’s team was a cheap way of selling the brand.

I was thinking this watching the game. 

We were largely second best against one of the other worst sides in the league. 

When you look at the quality at the top clubs we're light years away from them.

How can we be in the champions league semi final so recently and dropped away so badly. 

It really needs a cash investment, as mentioned above there's a lot of publicity around the womens game that if Bristol Sport are serious about has to see changes urgently.

The only player that looked decent in the first half (Humphrey) was non existent in the second because of the multiple changes made at half time 

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Sounds like a nasty injury to Aimee Palmer. Hope it's not a serious one.

Looking ahead, is this going to put more pressure on Oxtoby? After all, former coach Dave Edmondson was shown the door a while ago. Or is it the club is managing expectations and not looking to be too ambitious? It does seem a lifetime ago that the Vixens were reaching for the title and Europe.

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16 minutes ago, phantom said:

I was thinking this watching the game. 

We were largely second best against one of the other worst sides in the league. 

When you look at the quality at the top clubs we're light years away from them.

How can we be in the champions league semi final so recently and dropped away so badly. 

It really needs a cash investment, as mentioned above there's a lot of publicity around the womens game that if Bristol Sport are serious about has to see changes urgently.

The only player that looked decent in the first half (Humphrey) was non existent in the second because of the multiple changes made at half time 

Is investment in the Women`s team an allowable expense for FFP?

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19 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Is investment in the Women`s team an allowable expense for FFP?

No idea. But even then the amounts wouldn’t be huge. If relegated, I wouldn’t imagine that they would get promoted any time soon. Not staying in the WPL would be such a missed opportunity when we should be looking to encourage girls locally into the game and supporting the club overall, both men’s and women’s teams.

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2 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Is investment in the Women`s team an allowable expense for FFP?

I honestly don't know but looking at some of the players recently signed at the top end, either there's no FFP or the salaries aren't huge (maybe like the Bears)

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3 hours ago, phantom said:

I was thinking this watching the game. 

We were largely second best against one of the other worst sides in the league. 

When you look at the quality at the top clubs we're light years away from them.

How can we be in the champions league semi final so recently and dropped away so badly. 

It really needs a cash investment, as mentioned above there's a lot of publicity around the womens game that if Bristol Sport are serious about has to see changes urgently.

The only player that looked decent in the first half (Humphrey) was non existent in the second because of the multiple changes made at half time 

embarrassment to the name of Bristol City... how is Oxtoby still in a job?

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1 hour ago, old_eastender said:

embarrassment to the name of Bristol City... how is Oxtoby still in a job?

Seems obvious from the outside she is being asked to compete at the top level without the necessary funds to do so.

Clear that there are leagues within leagues in women’s football & City are by far the lowest funded, SL pretty much admitted this in his lengthy pre season interview.

In which case the coach, who kept them up against the odds in similar circumstances last season, is on a hiding to nothing.

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30 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Clear that there are leagues within leagues in women’s football & City are by far the lowest funded, SL pretty much admitted this in his lengthy pre season interview.

Birmingham are one of the few teams we're on a competitive par with, that today was awful. 

You have to ask yourself why we aren't investing in the team. 

Like the rugby compared to our men's team the money needed is a tiny fraction 

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And if to rub in the impression that Bristol Sport is missing a trick...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/oct/19/womens-football-is-growing-but-can-the-fa-keep-pace-with-demand
 

It does seem bizarre that SL is not investing even a small amount more in this as it provides a way of getting Bristol Sport more widely known. Plus it does look somewhat sexist if the men’s clubs are being well resourced compared to the competition at their level, yet the women’s team seems to be getting way many in their league, with results in line with that.

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Third goal, was it a cross or a shot? ?

But a few years ago the woman's team managed to win (lots of 1-0's from memory) games like this, after losing 3-1 against Arsenal I would have hoped for a closer scoreline there. Wonder if Arsenal played a weakened team at all for that game, think they played Man City a few days before or something like that.

6 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

And if to rub in the impression that Bristol Sport is missing a trick...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/oct/19/womens-football-is-growing-but-can-the-fa-keep-pace-with-demand
 

It does seem bizarre that SL is not investing even a small amount more in this as it provides a way of getting Bristol Sport more widely known. Plus it does look somewhat sexist if the men’s clubs are being well resourced compared to the competition at their level, yet the women’s team seems to be getting way many in their league, with results in line with that.

To be fair to Bristol Sport they have had a PL team for many years (before a lot of other teams jumped on the bandwagon) and except for Reading and Birmingham I would expect all the other teams to invest more if we are being equal. And it's not Steve Lansdown's fault that they keep giving poor goals away.

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3 hours ago, phantom said:

This is true, but ultimately it is his decision on what investment there is in the side

Can't pretend I know the investment numbers but I would be surprised if Birmingham were outspending us by much. Birmingham only scored 5 goals in 13 games when the season was stopped last year but managed to score 4 yesterday. Maybe its a mix of lack of investment and low confidence but I think its a bit too easy to blame it on the investment side. 

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4 minutes ago, Baba Yaga said:

Can't pretend I know the investment numbers but I would be surprised if Birmingham were outspending us by much. Birmingham only scored 5 goals in 13 games when the season was stopped last year but managed to score 4 yesterday. Maybe its a mix of lack of investment and low confidence but I think its a bit too easy to blame it on the investment side. 

Compared to Birmingham we are on a par - which in itself makes yesterdays result even more concerning. The side shouldn't be low on confidence following on from a 4-0 victory in their previous game

The investment comparison is more to do with the top end of the league sides who are now light years ahead of us in terms of playing personnel 

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23 hours ago, Erithacus said:

Sounds like a nasty injury to Aimee Palmer. Hope it's not a serious one.

Bristol City Women can confirm that Aimee Palmer dislocated her knee in Sunday’s Barclays FAWSL clash with Birmingham City. 

The midfielder is set for spell on the sidelines having sustained the injury in a heavy challenge midway through the second half at Twerton Park. 

The club are currently awaiting further test results to determine the full extent of the injury and will fully support Aimee throughout her rehab and recovery.

Everyone at Bristol City Women is right behind Aimee in her recovery and we hope to see her back on the pitch as soon as possible.

TAKEN FROM: https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/injury-update-aimee-palmer/

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I don't think it's even relevant to discuss games vs the top teams in our league, or games against lower league teams.

Literally the only games that are important are the ones vs the other teams in the mini league at the bottom of the table.

There's a 1 game sample size of this. A 0-4 drubbing at home. 

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4 hours ago, phantom said:

Bristol City Women can confirm that Aimee Palmer dislocated her knee in Sunday’s Barclays FAWSL clash with Birmingham City.

Hopefully that means a dislocated knee-cap, not the entire knee - that would be a disaster if so. Her twitter seems quite optimistic so if the scans don't prove bad we could look forwards to her returning later this season. The 19-year-old had started every game thus far.

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4 hours ago, frenchred said:

An absolute waste of money, why the women's game is being promoted to the hilt when it's so crap is beyond me.

It's getting better mate, don't worry. The more support the women get the higher the standard will be raised. The elite players are awesome. 

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On 19/10/2020 at 16:03, frenchred said:

An absolute waste of money, why the women's game is being promoted to the hilt when it's so crap is beyond me.

I think it’s great we run a women’s side but it seems to receive almost equal promotion online to our youth sides and u23 squad. I can see why some feel it’s a bit forced upon us because imo there is nowhere near the same level of interest.

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On 19/10/2020 at 21:07, mozo said:

It's getting better mate, don't worry. The more support the women get the higher the standard will be raised. The elite players are awesome. 

I watched the women’s fa cup final the other day , if that’s the elite then I would want to watch the average players, it was absolutely crap .

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1 hour ago, DaveInSA said:

Jeez, what decade are you living in?

the same one as you, no matter how you dress it up it’s absolute light years behind and shows no sign of improvement. for a club like ours it’s a waste of money to go out and get battered every week

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23 minutes ago, frenchred said:

the same one as you, no matter how you dress it up it’s absolute light years behind and shows no sign of improvement. for a club like ours it’s a waste of money to go out and get battered every week

Out of interest how much money is it wasting? 

1 hour ago, glen humphries said:

I watched the women’s fa cup final the other day , if that’s the elite then I would want to watch the average players, it was absolutely crap .

Assume you've seen some of the recent FA Cup finals? 

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27 minutes ago, frenchred said:

the same one as you, no matter how you dress it up it’s absolute light years behind and shows no sign of improvement. for a club like ours it’s a waste of money to go out and get battered every week

Just how, exactly do you think men's football improved?

Back in the days of the amateur, it was rubbish. The pitches were mud baths. They had 9 forwards. And basically shoved the keeper across the line when he caught the ball near the goals.

Then came the professional era, money, coaching, tactics and now we've got grass measurement, drones and all sorts of stuff to deliver the "fine margins" for victory. This has taken DECADES.

Yes, women's football doesn't have the physicality of men's football nor the speed. But the games I've watched there's skill on show and they love the game. Women's football is a relatively new game, it will take investment to improve it. And as a father of two girls i'd love them to play at any level.

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Not women related but what are the rules for Covid.

Orient kicked out EFL cup couldn’t play fixture 

Teans in FA cup and FA Trophy kicked out if couldn’t play.

FA Vase clubs postpone games due to Covid and that’s ok

Tesms come in contact with positive cases and various leagues let teams postpone or say you have to play.

Just seems the rules change all the time and there is no consistency.

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15 hours ago, frenchred said:

Which would probably equate to national league south?

A different game, why is that important? Technically a lot of female players are as good as many male players, it's only the physical side they would struggle with.

No one criticises female athletes, swimmers, cyclists etc because they can't match the physicality of their male counterparts, they appreciate how good they are compared to others of their own gender.

 

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On 06/11/2020 at 17:30, DaveInSA said:

 

Just how, exactly do you think men's football improved?

Back in the days of the amateur, it was rubbish. The pitches were mud baths. They had 9 forwards. And basically shoved the keeper across the line when he caught the ball near the goals.

Then came the professional era, money, coaching, tactics and now we've got grass measurement, drones and all sorts of stuff to deliver the "fine margins" for victory. This has taken DECADES.

Yes, women's football doesn't have the physicality of men's football nor the speed. But the games I've watched there's skill on show and they love the game. Women's football is a relatively new game, it will take investment to improve it. And as a father of two girls i'd love them to play at any level.

and the only reason it inst as developed is because it was suppressed by men. Its so important on so many levels that that this is allowed to grow and has investment, I am pleased my club seems to be doing that

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I've watched Bristol City Ladies for the past three seasons and there's many signs of improvement there if one wants to look for them. 

This season, the results have been disappointing but we are five games into the campaign and strange results haven't been confined to the women's game (see Man United v Spurs and Aston Villa v Liverpool). They've played the teams in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th so far.

While Chelsea thrashed them 9-0, they only lost 3-1 to Arsenal, the third goal on 86 minutes. Everton (managed by City Women's previous boss Willie Kirk) have improved big time this season and beat the City Women 4-0 while Man City on Saturday took full advantage of a side missing five players due to self isolating. The only game you can logically say they stood a hope of winning IMO was Birmingham and everything went wrong that could have that day. Palmer (the girl with the dislocated knee) was taken out by a poor tackle from Christie Murray who three minutes later, won and converted a penalty to make it 4-0. A bad day at the office admittedly but maybe it's best to judge City when they play more of the teams around them rather than Premier League sides that are given multiple times the money that City get.

Edited to add: The Man City game on Saturday afternoon came after they travelled up on the day, having not got back from the Crystal Palace away cup tie till nearly midnight on Thursday. No wonder they had no chance.

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