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The numbers attending this season have been excellent, imagine what they might've been like if we had one England player, one star, or managed to win two or three at home. Or played Barcelona at AG now. Imagine Arsenal's crowds if they had our team.

When West Ham played Everton in December the crowd was 614. When we played Arsenal away, it was 3,500.

Leicester are a good comparison, playing at their own ground like us: average 2,300 or so. To our 7000 plus. I don't think "plastics" quite explains this entirely.

Sadly, I fear it will be quite some time now for local (girls) fans to see the top level of women's football and all the top players. Very disappointing. 

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25 minutes ago, Bristol Oil Services said:

The numbers attending this season have been excellent, imagine what they might've been like if we had one England player, one star, or managed to win two or three at home. Or played Barcelona at AG now. Imagine Arsenal's crowds if they had our team.

When West Ham played Everton in December the crowd was 614. When we played Arsenal away, it was 3,500.

Leicester are a good comparison, playing at their own ground like us: average 2,300 or so. To our 7000 plus. I don't think "plastics" quite explains this entirely.

Sadly, I fear it will be quite some time now for local (girls) fans to see the top level of women's football and all the top players. Very disappointing. 

I think it shows that the City of Bristol and indeed the whole region is crying out for success. 

We've seen it with attendences at AG for he men's team and the rugby, England ladies, England u21s etc etc etc. 

It is a huge shame that Lansdown decided not to invest. He'll probably now spend years 'investing' to try and get back in the WSL. I just hope the ship hasn't sailed and that we are able to get back there shortly. 

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A lot of the ladies are too good for the Championship, but most are not quite good enough for the WSL. Take Abi Harrison for example. Tore the Championship a new one last season, yet this season (albeit with a number of injuries) just hasn't performed to the same standard. Probably due to being constantly played as a midfielder as Smith insisted on carrying on with the 1 up top approach. 

As long as the core of this team is kept together, three or four quality additions should mean that they are at least competitive next season. There will also be the chance for the younger ladies (Mari Ward, Fearne Slocombe) to get some serious game time, and the experience that comes with it. 

There's also no reason why the club can't look for the best talents in the Championship (a bit like Cotts did in League 1), there are some definite diamonds to be picked up. Jamie-Lee Napier came from London City, and was a good fit for the team in the WSL.

Lastly, no more over-the-hill journey women! Take Lisa Evans. Yes, she has a lot of experience (100ish games for Bayern and Arsenal) but she has done next to nothing since being signed in January, there was obviously a reason why West Ham let her join their closest relegation rivals! If older players must be signed, more in the mould of Rachel Furness please!

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10 hours ago, The Constant Rabbit said:

@shahanshahan @phantom

 

As a matter of interest, how much do you guys think Lansdown needed to put in this season to sign 4 or 5 players good enough to just stay up?

 

It would be interesting to see that cost compared with the drop in TV revenue (I assume relegation = a drop), lower season ticket numbers, POTD crowds and concession sales during the game.

 

I don't think the gap will be that big - regardless, another baffling decision by our great overlord.

Actual amounts I have no idea of, but like all clubs the money comes out of the same budget as the men's teams

Clearly we don't have an EPL budget so the pot we can use is that much smaller to start with, but if say every club spent 10% on their women's teams it is clear we can't compete with the other sides

I believe in terms of what we can spend, we bought to our maximum spending, but it just goes to show how much the EPL dominates all things football in England

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11 hours ago, When the river runs said:

If they are playing at Ashton gate next year  , then I would doubt they actually make a profit from the games.

I thought you knew everything?

They are making losses this season

11 hours ago, JBFC II said:

Perhaps, I'd imagine there'll be a drop in season tickets next season anyway, so not sure how much of a difference that'll make.

It's also a £25 increase on their last championship season, which feels quite extortionate really

It just feels a bit odd to me, but I guess there's a reason I'm not in charge of these things!

What does that have to do with anything? 

Fair point, I didn't take that into account

I guess the way to justify it is the improvement in facilities. Compare the HPC to AG8 I am sure it is worth the increase

11 hours ago, When the river runs said:

You haven't a clue mate. 

10 years plus

 

Of course I don't. All those meetings with the SC&T and with Bristol City and Tom Rawcliffe clearly you know better than me 

No idea what you mean by "10 years plus"

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1 hour ago, phantom said:

I thought you knew everything?

They are making losses this season

Fair point, I didn't take that into account

I guess the way to justify it is the improvement in facilities. Compare the HPC to AG8 I am sure it is worth the increase

Of course I don't. All those meetings with the SC&T and with Bristol City and Tom Rawcliffe clearly you know better than me 

No idea what you mean by "10 years plus"

Yep that's fair. 

To give the club credit, they've done a good job marketing it. Really hope the youngsters who have been drawn in this season stay now for the next couple.

Next season will be tough, no doubt, but if they can have a couple of thousand each week that will only help

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18 minutes ago, When the river runs said:

 

Tell me it's not true . You my friend are a keyboard warrior 

What, the same Willie Kirk that left SIX YEARS AGO, stop living in the past 

15 minutes ago, When the river runs said:

And that's the tip of the iceberg. 

I won't even go into how bent it is down there

Put up or shut up!! 

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4 minutes ago, When the river runs said:

You make me laugh mate

it looks as if nothing has changed in fact possibly worse.

My point was... that I've been there that long to have an idea as to what and how it goes on.

You are brave on the net telling me to shut up. As I said a keyboard warrior 

I didn't tell you to shut up!! 

It's not a secret that the women's academy needed changing, which it has in the time SINCE Kirk left us. 

But you have gone from referring to investment in the womens first team to the academy team. It would help if you clarified which side you are commenting about. 

Look at the clubs latest accounts and you can see for yourself the increased investment in the women's team it's very easy to see. 

I'm sure there is an element of self funding in the women's academy younger levels, but I'd bet that's not unique to just them 

You'd probably do best to understand what a keyboard warrior is aswell 

 

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3 hours ago, phantom said:

I really like this 

I am critical of our media team but this is absolutely spot on 

 

This is good, you say? I'm not a consumer of any of this stuff but that to me is made for people with very short attention spans experiencing a sugar "high" or some other attention problem. Absolutely dreadful (but perhaps, as you say, "spot on" for those it is aimed at).

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31 minutes ago, When the river runs said:

Have you taken your medicine as your personality disorder seems to be kicking right the in last couple of days.

Since you got a diagnosis , I  guess now you can excuse yourself for being a c***🤣🤣.

 

@phantom has responded with a fair bit of information and facts to what you've said, he's clearly someone who knows a lot about where the women's side of things is at right now, especially with his role with the SC&T.

Just as a suggestion, if you want to debate it with him (and as you've said, you've been around BCFC women for a while, so you have the capability to do so) then go ahead, that's what a forum is for. 

Name calling, and attacking the poster, isn't what the forum is for, however. Especially towards an Admin.

Everyone is disappointed about yesterday, and the season as a whole. But let's not turn petty and turn against each other. The only way the team will get out of the championship in the next few years is through everyone singing from the same hymn sheet, there's absolutely no need to be offensive towards other supporters just because you have a different opinion

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1 minute ago, When the river runs said:

 it's got nothing to do with you.

You already showed me how wet and limp wristed you are yesterday.

People on here trying to tell you how it is  when you've had a massive insight into it for yourself.

 

Maybe you could try giving some specific examples rather than working purely in innuendo?

It's also interesting to see Willie Kirk held up as a good judge considering his own fortunes in recent weeks.

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32 minutes ago, When the river runs said:

 it's got nothing to do with you.

You already showed me how wet and limp wristed you are yesterday.

People on here trying to tell you how it is  when you've had a massive insight into it for yourself.

 

Would be fascinated to see where I was 'wet and limp wristed' yesterday, examples would be good. 

Examples of your 'massive insight' would also help, you've mentioned it a few times now but not actually backed it up with anything substantive

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11 hours ago, Nugget said:

Will the team get parachute payments?

That's not a thing in the women's game.

Otherwise, you'd have had the likes of previously relegated sides like Reading & Birmingham City be back in the WSL already 

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1 hour ago, When the river runs said:

 it's got nothing to do with you.

You already showed me how wet and limp wristed you are yesterday.

People on here trying to tell you how it is  when you've had a massive insight into it for yourself.

 

You’re posting on an open forum so ultimately it’s got something to do with everybody reading it.

No need for anybody to make offensive comments and ultimately if you didn’t want anyone else to form an opinion or contribute to the thread then private message.

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1 minute ago, When the river runs said:

Mate I'm no keyboard warrior as I don't start it. 

Trust me I'd say it to your faces all 3 of you at the same time. I'm not shy mate at all

you are all calling me out jumping on board and you genuinely don't know how vile a club that is

 

I didn’t start on you but you felt the need to be abusive !

If the club is so vile then why have anything to do with it, including being on this forum ?

You’re making spurious comments about how you’d tell me to go **** myself and how vile this club is.

It’s not big and if you weren’t entertaining me I’d put you on ignore X

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1 hour ago, shahanshahan said:

Posted in this thread, but Gavin Marshall will be on Sound of the City tonight (alongside Jon Lansdown)...

 

Thanks for the warning. I'll meditate for the next 20 minutes to help me get through it. Now, where's my stress ball ...

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5 hours ago, When the river runs said:

Have you taken your medicine as your personality disorder seems to be kicking right the in last couple of days.

Since you got a diagnosis , I  guess now you can excuse yourself for being a c***🤣🤣.

 

Thank you for the really unnecessary personal insult about a serious mental health condition I was diagnosed with 

As for the past 5 days, I've been sat by the bedside of my partner in hospital not sure if she was going to come out alive at one point 

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1 hour ago, CS Red said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4n15xnzrjvo

I hope the link above works. A interesting reading I thought. Especially the last couple of paragraphs.

This article is news to me (no pun intended!)

Am aware that this is third WSL relegation for the team, but I wasn't aware that City have been the most-relegated team in WSL history.

I noticed a few omissions: Kaylan Marckese only returned back to Arsenal because of her ACL injury, and actually there have been five different goalkeepers that made WSL appearances (Benedicte Haaland who was on a short term deal came on as a sub in one game)

Also noticed that the writer referred to the team as Bristol City, City, and Bristol all in the same article. Err...

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9 hours ago, shahanshahan said:

This article is news to me (no pun intended!)

Am aware that this is third WSL relegation for the team, but I wasn't aware that City have been the most-relegated team in WSL history.

I noticed a few omissions: Kaylan Marckese only returned back to Arsenal because of her ACL injury, and actually there have been five different goalkeepers that made WSL appearances (Benedicte Haaland who was on a short term deal came on as a sub in one game)

Also noticed that the writer referred to the team as Bristol City, City, and Bristol all in the same article. Err...

Interesting but I don't think Emma Smith actually answered the headline question!

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13 hours ago, CS Red said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4n15xnzrjvo

I hope the link above works. A interesting reading I thought. Especially the last couple of paragraphs.

I didn't particularly like that article. For all the reasons internally that we had the lowest budget, ultimately we were relegated as the only team not affliated to a men's PL club who can afford to rack up losses on the women.

It's a very sad state of affairs that all the current men's PL teams have such an advantage over any other club in investing in a women's team, no matter the respective support base.

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For those going to the fans forum tomorrow (see you there!), the club have finally confirmed that supporters can park on side for free, but need to scan a QR code to validate their parking. Much like those that park to travel on coach travel for the men's away games

 

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8 hours ago, cidercity1987 said:

I didn't particularly like that article. For all the reasons internally that we had the lowest budget, ultimately we were relegated as the only team not affliated to a men's PL club who can afford to rack up losses on the women.

It's a very sad state of affairs that all the current men's PL teams have such an advantage over any other club in investing in a women's team, no matter the respective support base.

Sophie Downey has written a good piece:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/apr/30/bristol-city-relegation-hammers-home-stark-financial-realities-of-wsl-moving-the-goalposts#comment-167419325

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On 28/04/2024 at 22:46, Nugget said:

Went with my girls, been to a few games,  atmosphere is very different, much more friendly vibe, but feels a bit like a pop concert at times, but for the youngsters in the crowd it seemed to get them going.

 

 

My first experience of live woman's football on Sunday. Went with my girls and a couple of their mates.  Despite the result, I enjoyed the experience and will go again. 

It's a different thing from following the men's team. My Saturdays there are about the guys and the pints! This was a family outing and reflected that. Even non-sporty Robbette #1 enjoyed it though. 

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Unfortunately we’re in a world where the “brand” is more important than the talent in some key areas. 
 

I don’t think it’s by accident that the WSL will be wholly filled by clubs attached to men’s premier league teams. 

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23 hours ago, shahanshahan said:

For those going to the fans forum tomorrow (see you there!), the club have finally confirmed that supporters can park on side for free, but need to scan a QR code to validate their parking. Much like those that park to travel on coach travel for the men's away games

 

I was going to original date but can't make this one sadly. I hope some pertinent questions are asked.

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12 minutes ago, Eco said:

I was going to original date but can't make this one sadly. I hope some pertinent questions are asked.

Tonight's fans forum is the first women's one that has sold out, so I expect many will have questions...

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Fair play to Liverpool, beating Chelsea 4-3

Chelsea had only conceded from corners twice before tonight this season, but conceded three times from corners tonight 

I wonder who Emma Hayes will be blaming tonight, 😁

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1 hour ago, phantom said:

Fair play to Liverpool, beating Chelsea 4-3

Chelsea had only conceded from corners twice before tonight this season, but conceded three times from corners tonight 

I wonder who Emma Hayes will be blaming tonight, 😁

Tis a WSL tradegy. Shame the Qataris benefit.

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I used to like what Chelsea were doing with their women's team, but gradually the antics of Lauren James, Erin Cuthbert and Emma Hayes made them easily unlikeable 

Going from a possible quadruple to nothing in a matter of games is a disaster 

It would be amazing if we could hammer the final nail in their coffin Sunday evening 

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I just watched back the post match interview with Emma Hayes and Aggie Beaver-Jones, I have to say it was a very honest and in parts emotional interview with Emma Hayes, finally we see the real side of her as she has let her guard down

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46 minutes ago, phantom said:

Cheers, I saw that but was surprised nobody had written a review 

  • So, until a broadcast TV deal is done it'll be carry on as now with the rich getting richer. Our budget will remain high for the Championship but should we go up it'll be miniscule compared with Prem clubs as there's an 'astronomical' difference in funding.
  • At least 7 championship clubs will play in their clubs main stadia next season. Blackburn, Charlton, Sheff Utd, Birmingham, Southampton, Reading & us. Newcastle play at Newcastle rugby.
  • London City Lionesses  have been brought by a fabulously wealthy individual who'll invest heavily 
  • They want to keep the bulk of the squad but won't stand in the way of players who want to leave, some have relegation release clauses, no names.
  • Definitely want to keep Thestrup however would she want to risk losing her place in the Denmark team by playing in the championship...
  • We won't have four goalkeepers next season
  • General annoyance at the club not being compensated from top cubs for players sold on after reaching 18, eg. Lauren Hemp
  • The club will lose £1M this season
  • Gavin thought there was enough in the squad to avoid relegation, 6 points is not what he was anticipating however Lauren has credit in the bank for the previous two seasons. Injuries in the new year during those key games with teams around us didn't help.

Wasn't there but based on the listen, probably missed some other things.

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Some key points from Lauren's press conference on Thursday 

- Amalie Thestrup back in training after coming off injured on Sunday. Should be available for this weekend

- Lauren Smith enjoyed the Fans Forum; her & Gavin Marshall answered questions honestly

- Chelsea will still be a threat despite recent defeats

 

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10 hours ago, phantom said:

Fran Kirby has announced that she's leaving Chelsea at the end of the season after ten years with them 

Making tomorrow at Kingsmeadow even more emotional for the home fans. Emma Hayes' last home game, Maren Mjelde's last home game (who herself announced she was leaving Chelsea after seven years), and now this.

Will be interesting to see where she goes next. Definitely hasn't announced any plans to retire...

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Man City lost to Arsenal, hope are girls are really up for  it tonight otherwise I fear a battering from Chelsea who need goals.

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51 minutes ago, Eco said:

Man City lost to Arsenal, hope are girls are really up for  it tonight otherwise I fear a battering from Chelsea who need goals.

Dread to think what the score is going to be, Chelsea will be so motivated to smash us 

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9 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

Dread to think what the score is going to be, Chelsea will be so motivated to smash us 

They don’t need to be motivated just turn up usually does the trick against our girls 🙈

must be soul destroying for them - fair play to them though 

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2 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said:

and Sky Showcase for non subscribers.

Listening on 5 Live sports extra, we held out for 4 minutes.

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Just now, Pippintogg said:

2 nil down already. 😕 Can barely find a pass. Same problems. Not sure what LS is going to differently next season. It needs changing. 

They just look so weak physically compared to Chelsea.

I see no game plan apart from defend and sadly they’re not very good at that 

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1 minute ago, Back of the Dolman said:

They just look so weak physically compared to Chelsea.

I see no game plan apart from defend and sadly they’re not very good at that 

Totally agree. The team must find it hard to be motivated at this stage of the season.  They just can't compete at this level. 

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4 minutes ago, Glen hump said:

They were set up to fail miserably from the start of the season’ total lack of investment, I really can’t understand why Steve continues’ he’s obviously had enough.

He doesn’t. Jon continues, assisted by Brian

Jon stated this week they were looking for investment so I guess we will see if that ever comes. 

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2 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

He doesn’t. Jon continues, assisted by Brian

Jon stated this week they were looking for investment so I guess we will see if that ever comes. 

He needs to lower the asking price and move on.

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