Bristol City v Barnsley Match Day 28

[havanatopia]

I had the opportunity to attend this match today. A detour that would have cost me about £500 in a travel route that would also have taken in Oslo and Lillestrom erstwhile and final destination for one of Barnsley's celebrated players in Norwegian Jan Aage Fjortoft. I just took a look at his all important stats and boy could both Barnsley and City do with this sort of player today: 

Prolific at virtually every club he played for in Norway, Austria, Germany and England, he finished his career with 249 goals in 548 appearances. He also played for the Norway national side from 1986 to 1996 representing them 71 times and scoring 20 goals.

A magnificent career.

Suffice to say I decided against the expense. As I mentioned over on the 'Ekambi' thread I think that most of the ire against Lee Johnson is with the lack of an enjoyable performance, the lack of fight and the obvious lack of wins. All 3 are fairly important, 2 under a level of duress or 1 if Johnson is totally inept at managing and/or recruiting. It could be argued City are currently at about 0.5. I am not advocating an opinion on the future of the club manager merely pointing out a malaise with his workmanship. I must have used that word malaise a dozen times to describe a perception of feeling we fans have during his 4 year tenure. Highs and lows. 

A win today and all will be right with the world around BS3? I doubt that will be the case. It is, once again, a rollercoaster being a City fan and I do not doubt for a second that the effort is there and the heart is in the right place when it comes to Lee Johnson. We will see where we are at the end of today and the end of the season because it will be business as usual win, lose or draw and wherever the club ends in the table. Enjoy the game; likely to be full of goals if previous matches are anything to go on.

 

 

Edited January 18, 2020 by havanatopia

[downendcity]

34 minutes ago, havanatopia said:

I had the opportunity to attend this match today. A detour that would have cost me about £500 in a travel route that would also have taken in Oslo and Lillestrom erstwhile and final destination for one of Barnsley's celebrated players in Norwegian Jan Aage Fjortoft. I just took a look at his all important stats and boy could both Barnsley and City do with this sort of player today: 

Prolific at virtually every club he played for in Norway, Austria, Germany and England, he finished his career with 249 goals in 548 appearances. He also played for the Norway national side from 1986 to 1996 representing them 71 times and scoring 20 goals.

A magnificent career.

Suffice to say I decided against the expense. As I mentioned over on the 'Ekambi' thread I think that most of the ire against Lee Johnson is with the lack of an enjoyable performance, the lack of fight and the obvious lack of wins. All 3 are fairly important, 2 under a level of duress or 1 if Johnson is totally inept at managing and/or recruiting. It could be argued City are currently at about 0.5. I am not advocating an opinion on the future of the club manager merely pointing out a malaise with his workmanship. I must have used that word malaise a dozen times to describe a perception of feeling we fans have during his 4 year tenure. Highs and lows. 

A win today and all will be right with the world around BS3? I doubt that will be the case. It is, once again, a rollercoaster being a City fan and I do not doubt for a second that the effort is there and the heart is in the right place when it comes to Lee Johnson. We will see where we are at the end of today and the end of the season because it will be business as usual win, lose or draw and wherever the club ends in the table. Enjoy the game; likely to be full of goals if previous matches are anything to go on.

 

 

Shortened version:

Barnsley -  a malaisehole 'oop north.  

[Bristol is red]

Looking forward to today as I don't get to many but I shall be there.  Will be only my 9th game in two seasons.

However, my record over that time stands at:

L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L

So I apologise for the horror show that awaits you all and recommend you don't go as I'll be there.

[BigTone]

7 minutes ago, downendcity said:

Shortened version:

Barnsley -  a malaisehole 'oop north.  

[Colombo Robin]

24 minutes ago, Bristol is red said:

Looking forward to today as I don't get to many but I shall be there.  Will be only my 9th game in two seasons.

However, my record over that time stands at:

L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L

So I apologise for the horror show that awaits you all and recommend you don't go as I'll be there.

Please stay at home

[Bar BS3]

46 minutes ago, Bristol is red said:

Looking forward to today as I don't get to many but I shall be there.  Will be only my 9th game in two seasons.

However, my record over that time stands at:

L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L

So I apologise for the horror show that awaits you all and recommend you don't go as I'll be there.

Are you Marley Watkins..?

[havanatopia]

4 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Are you Marley Watkins..?

No, his name is Hunt-Coppell. 

[Gazred]

1 hour ago, Bristol is red said:

Looking forward to today as I don't get to many but I shall be there.  Will be only my 9th game in two seasons.

However, my record over that time stands at:

L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L

So I apologise for the horror show that awaits you all and recommend you don't go as I'll be there.

Forget our poor form, i hope today we get a win for your sake mate. What a horrible run.

Perhaps you're like LJ himself and s positive streak is just around the corner.

[sh1t_ref_again]

Just hope we get off to a fast start today, otherwise can see the moans, groans and boos starting which makes some players start to hide and scared to make a mistake. All very counterproductive, unless you are the few that are happy to see us lose if it means getting rid of LJ.

[Atyeo's lift]

12 minutes ago, Gazred said:

Perhaps you're like LJ himself and s positive streak is just around the corner.

As long as the positive streak isn't by Rudolf

[pongo88]

The omens are bad for today. @havanatopia isn’t coming because it would cost and extra £500 and @Bristol is red , who has a 100% losing record,  is coming. What else can go wrong? 

[Spike]

1 hour ago, Bristol is red said:

Looking forward to today as I don't get to many but I shall be there.  Will be only my 9th game in two seasons.

However, my record over that time stands at:

L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L

So I apologise for the horror show that awaits you all and recommend you don't go as I'll be there.

I live in Cardiff and my daughter has been asking me to take her to a football match, this is one of the key reasons I'm holding off, because I don't want her first game to be an awful performance and a loss. 

The issue is sooner or later someone in her Welsh side of the family is going to take her to a Cardiff game if I don't take her to see City. I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place, I take her to see City and its boring, we lose and she loses interest in City or she goes to watch Cardiff, they win, she enjoys it and then I have a Cardiff City daughter for a fan... it's just not a fun time. 

Edited January 18, 2020 by Spike

[RedRobin96]

1 minute ago, Spike said:

I live in Cardiff and my daughter has been asking me to take her to a football match, this is one of the key reasons I'm holding off, because I don't want her first game to be an awful performance and a loss. 

The issue is sooner or later someone in her Welsh side of the family is going to take her to a Cardiff game if I don't take her to see City. I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place, I take her to see City and its boring, we lose and she loses interest in City or she goes to watch Cardiff, they win, she enjoys it and then I have a Cardiff City daughter for a fan... it's just not a fun time. 

Better to be bored by watching City than putting your daughter up for adoption

[City Rocker]

2 hours ago, havanatopia said:

Jan Aage Fjortoft. 

Or 'Jan Aage Fu kedoff' as Swindon fans had it following his departure. 

[DANWRENBCFC4LIFE]

Here we go again then. Another step in to the abyss. Which City will turn up ? 

[wendyredredrobin]

Cauley Woodrow is out and the Tykes are playing their second choice keeper.  That may help if we step up a bit.

Based on our recent performances though, I would be worried even if they played their womens team.

We need to be more combative, close down more quickly and move forward with pace and verve.

If we start going sideways and backwards or go one down, the crowd with quickly get frustrated.

Edited January 18, 2020 by wendyredredrobin

[Sitrom]

10 minutes ago, Spike said:

I live in Cardiff and my daughter has been asking me to take her to a football match, this is one of the key reasons I'm holding off, because I don't want her first game to be an awful performance and a loss. 

The issue is sooner or later someone in her Welsh side of the family is going to take her to a Cardiff game if I don't take her to see City. I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place, I take her to see City and its boring, we lose and she loses interest in City or she goes to watch Cardiff, they win, she enjoys it and then I have a Cardiff City daughter for a fan... it's just not a fun time. 

[Spike]

11 minutes ago, RedRobin96 said:

Better to be bored by watching City than putting your daughter up for adoption

Could end up doing both if she sees City as they currently are, she'd probably still end up supporting Cardiff, hence I want the entertaining City back. 

[havanatopia]

19 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

The omens are bad for today. @havanatopia isn’t coming because it would cost and extra £500 and @Bristol is red , who has a 100% losing record,  is coming. What else can go wrong? 

Woodrow makes a recovery and scores a hat trick? 

5 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said:

Cauley Woodrow is out and the Tykes are playing their second choice keeper.  That may help if we step up a bit.

Based on our recent performances though, I would be worried even if they played their womens team.

We need to be more combative, close down more quickly and move forward with pace and verve 

Well said Lee but please make it happen for once.

[wendyredredrobin]

2 minutes ago, Spike said:

Could end up doing both if she sees City as they currently are, she'd probably still end up supporting Cardiff, hence I want the entertaining City back. 

Sounds like you think we need a new manager then.

[wendyredredrobin]

13 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said:

Cauley Woodrow is out and the Tykes are playing their second choice keeper.  That may help if we step up a bit.

Based on our recent performances though, I would be worried even if they played their womens team.

We need to be more combative, close down more quickly and move forward with pace and verve.

If we start going sideways and backwards or go one down, the crowd with quickly get frustrated.

Just tell her what Cardiff fans do to sheep. That might put her off.

Nah, I guess she's a bit to young for that.  A sheepskin coat then?

Sorry, inserted the wrong quote, but you can see i'm referring to Spike.

Edited January 18, 2020 by wendyredredrobin

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

23 minutes ago, Spike said:

I live in Cardiff and my daughter has been asking me to take her to a football match, this is one of the key reasons I'm holding off, because I don't want her first game to be an awful performance and a loss. 

The issue is sooner or later someone in her Welsh side of the family is going to take her to a Cardiff game if I don't take her to see City. I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place, I take her to see City and its boring, we lose and she loses interest in City or she goes to watch Cardiff, they win, she enjoys it and then I have a Cardiff City daughter for a fan... it's just not a fun time. 

Easy...just excommunicate her for life.

 

 

 

Said in (partial) jest!

Edited January 18, 2020 by Mike Hunt-Hertz

[Spike]

6 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said:

Sounds like you think we need a new manager then.

I've made it clear I feel that way, but I've also stated my reasons and said I'd be happy for LJ to stay if we saw more of what we saw earlier in his appointment, when we played good football and looked able to compete, not the current s***show we get week in week out. 

[Porto Red]

25 minutes ago, Spike said:

I live in Cardiff and my daughter has been asking me to take her to a football match, this is one of the key reasons I'm holding off, because I don't want her first game to be an awful performance and a loss. 

The issue is sooner or later someone in her Welsh side of the family is going to take her to a Cardiff game if I don't take her to see City. I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place, I take her to see City and its boring, we lose and she loses interest in City or she goes to watch Cardiff, they win, she enjoys it and then I have a Cardiff City daughter for a fan... it's just not a fun time. 

I can sympathise. I live in Portugal with a10 year old daughter, whose maternal grandfather is a Porto fan (former coach at the club). So far I have forbidden him to take my daughter to see them as I never got to take her to see the mighty (ahem) City before we left.

[Spike]

11 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said:

Just tell her what Cardiff fans do to sheep. That might put her off.

Nah, I guess she's a bit to young for that.  A sheepskin coat then?

Sorry, inserted the wrong quote, but you can see i'm referring to Spike.

Cardiff and its people are great, I just think forums can often be misleading. If you judge Cardiff by the fans on their forums you'd think they were all a**holes but the same applies to City fans and these forums. I've had more arguments here than I have with any Cardiff fans, hell I watched our win over Cardiff at a Cardiff City fans house and he gave me a cider after the win

Edited January 18, 2020 by Spike

[wendyredredrobin]

1 minute ago, Spike said:

Cardiff and its people are great, I just think forums can often be misleading. If you judge Cardiff by the fans on their forums you'd think they were all a**holes but the same applies to City fans and these forums. I've had more arguments here than I have work any Cardiff fans, hell I even watched our win over Cardiff at a Cardiff City fans house and he gave me a cider after the win

Just jesting Spike.  I lived in Wales for 2 years and had the time of my life.  Don't know about the sheep mind

[Sir Geoff]

5 minutes ago, Spike said:

I live in Cardiff and my daughter has been asking me to take her to a football match, this is one of the key reasons I'm holding off, because I don't want her first game to be an awful performance and a loss. 

The issue is sooner or later someone in her Welsh side of the family is going to take her to a Cardiff game if I don't take her to see City. I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place, I take her to see City and its boring, we lose and she loses interest in City or she goes to watch Cardiff, they win, she enjoys it and then I have a Cardiff City daughter for a fan... it's just not a fun time. 

As long as she sees a few goals she will be happy, whoever scores them. My (17) yr old daughter was quite happy after Brentford even though-at half time she predicted 5 !

Edited January 18, 2020 by Sir Geoff
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[downendcity]

42 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

The omens are bad for today. @havanatopia isn’t coming because it would cost and extra £500 and @Bristol is red , who has a 100% losing record,  is coming. What else can go wrong? 

If it's on hesgaol then  we are well and truly b******d, as I haven't seen us win on HG this season.

[downendcity]

38 minutes ago, Spike said:

I live in Cardiff and my daughter has been asking me to take her to a football match,

Talking her to watch City is the next best thing !  

[RedEyez]

13 minutes ago, downendcity said:

If it's on hesgaol then  we are well and truly b******d, as I haven't seen us win on HG this season.

Why don’t you try Ashton Gate and see if we win there? 

[Norn Iron]

[CyderInACan]

1 hour ago, wendyredredrobin said:

Cauley Woodrow is out and the Tykes are playing their second choice keeper.  That may help if we step up a bit.

Away win it is, then 

[RedEyez]

No KP45 again which is interesting...

Also, I thought Korey Smith was vice club captain... so why is Brownhill captain? Smith definitely more of a leader from what I’ve seen. Bit of a strange one that.

Edited January 18, 2020 by RedEyez

[old_eastender]

Palmer not even on the bench!

Hunt keeps his place despite really poor form, same old failed line-up... when will LJ get that Fammy & Wiemann just don't work as a partnership.

[winsaw]

Disappointing midfield, no reward for those who have played OK in there last couple of games, 

[Spud55]

1 minute ago, old_eastender said:

Palmer not even on the bench!

Hunt keeps his place despite really poor form, same old failed line-up... when will LJ get that Fammy & Wiemann just don't work as a partnership.

When he finds someone else to play with Wieman as it must be all Fams fault. 

[RedEyez]

2 minutes ago, old_eastender said:

Palmer not even on the bench!

Hunt keeps his place despite really poor form, same old failed line-up... when will LJ get that Fammy & Wiemann just don't work as a partnership.

We don’t really have much option but to play Fam and Weimann up front though, do we? 

[RedorDead BCFC]

2 minutes ago, RedEyez said:

No KP45 again which is interesting...

Tough one, for me hes been dog awful but he needs to get his confidence back. 

Saying that a place on the bench in place of Semeyo who looks like off out on loan, would of been better. 

Weve got JoJo on the bench so homegrown player is sorted.

[RedEyez]

1 minute ago, RedorDead BCFC said:

Tough one, for me hes been dog awful but he needs to get his confidence back. 

Saying that a place on the bench in place of Semeyo who looks like off out on loan, would of been better. 

Weve got JoJo on the bench so homegrown player is sorted.

Yep. I don’t know how players are meant to get their confidence back without playing though.

[Fordy62]

Can’t get excited about that team I’m afraid. Still... let’s hope they turn up for once. 

Edited January 18, 2020 by Fordy62

[Fpcity]

2 minutes ago, old_eastender said:

Palmer not even on the bench!

Hunt keeps his place despite really poor form, same old failed line-up... when will LJ get that Fammy & Wiemann just don't work as a partnership.

Because eventually in one game they'll work well and Johnson can tell us how he always knew and spent hours on the training pitch working at it. 

[BCFC Grim]

5 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

All I disagree with there is no Pereira. 

Well, and Baker as he's only going to come off injured anyway. Can only make 2 subs then.

Don't get why people think Palmer should play when he plays terribly unless Afobe is playing.

Plays terrible? Like most of them. Our best player the last time he started. How can he gain confidence when he is bravely given a chance? At least he tries to get us moving forward.

I see superman Baker is back fit. The guy is pathetic.

Edited January 18, 2020 by BCFC Grim

[Spud55]

3 minutes ago, RedEyez said:

We don’t really have much option but to play Fam and Weimann up front though, do we? 

Is it required that we play with 2 up front? Especially as one of them is not a pissing striker. 

[RedEyez]

2 minutes ago, Spud55 said:

Is it required that we play with 2 up front? Especially as one of them is not a pissing striker. 

In my opinion , no. But LJ has made it abundantly obvious that he wants to play with 2. 

[And Its Smith]

Imagine if Johnson gets sacked and all the new manager does is play our best XI in a 4-3-3 and we start winning at home! LJ sat at home wondering why he couldn’t see it! 

[old_eastender]

4 minutes ago, RedEyez said:

We don’t really have much option but to play Fam and Weimann up front though, do we? 

Nonsense, we play one of them up front (personally it would be Fammy for me) with Pato supporting in the no.10 role - just like he did when we played with Reid as the lone striker. That way we can play an extra one in CM too, giving Brownhill more licence to get forward. LJ is just stuck in the dark ages with a rigid 4-4-2, that no good footballing sides play these days.

[RedEyez]

2 minutes ago, old_eastender said:

Nonsense, we play one of them up front (personally it would be Fammy for me) with Pato supporting in the no.10 role - just like he did when we played with Reid as the lone striker. That way we can play an extra one in CM too, giving Brownhill more licence to get forward. LJ is just stuck in the dark ages with a rigid 4-4-2, that no good footballing sides play these days.

Yes but LJ wants to play with 2 , doesn’t he. So based on that, we don’t really have another option, at the moment, other than Semenyo. How is that nonsense? Think about it.

Edited January 18, 2020 by RedEyez

[Wade Wilson]

Kasey, Holden and Lee 

[Colombo Robin]

Plenty of reasons to be positive with that line up. Dasilva and Paterson have linked welll since he came back and Eliason crossing to Fammy always gonna be a threat. Im going 3-1 city

[old_eastender]

3 minutes ago, RedEyez said:

Yes but LJ wants to play with a 2 , doesn’t he. So based on that. We don’t really have another option, at the moment, other than Semenyo. How is that nonsense? Think about it.

what's nonsense, is LJ being so stubborn wanting to play 2 main strikers who just hardly link up together at all!

much rather we played to our strengths, Szmodics (now loaned), Palmer, Pato all suit playing as a no.10.

[Eddie Notgetinya]

I’d prefer him to try 

      Brownhill Smith Weimann 

Pato                                  Eliasson 

                      Fam  

[Spud55]

4 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I didn't see Shrewsbury game. But Palmer has been so poor in general. But also there isn't the type of striker ahead of him. So pointless playing him imo.

Are you really telling me that a player with the obvious talent of Palmer cannot work out Famaras runs and play the ball to him? He will not have the instinctive relationship with Fam that he does with Afobe, but there is no reason why if you play a stable team he can't learn Fams runs and where to position himself when fam receives the ball. 

[RedEyez]

2 minutes ago, old_eastender said:

what's nonsense, is LJ being so stubborn wanting to play 2 main strikers who just hardly link up together at all!

much rather we played to our strengths, Szmodics (now loaned), Palmer, Pato all suit playing as a no.10.

Wow. You’re completely missing the point and I can’t be bothered to argue with idiots, quite frankly. See ya

[Banjo Red]

No palmer?

[keflav]

Really not sure with the line up, baker seems a waste of a sub when he goes off before halftime (Moore should have started) no Pedro not even on bench but hunt in again  

Palmer not even on the bench is quite frankly ridiculous, we want a more attractive & attacking style of football can't see any of the bench providing that...

Want us to win today and get back on winning run, but not sure team or sqaud today to do it... 

 

[BCFC Rich]

Not completely impossible that this is 

Bentley

Hunt William  Baker Dasilva

Brownhill Smith

Wieman Paterson Elliasson

Fammy

[ChippenhamRed]

Not talking about today specifically, but since we’re talking formations what would people think about 4-2-3-1, something like:-

Bentley

Hunt - Kalas - Moore - Dasilva

Brownhill - Smith

Paterson - Palmer - Eliasson

Famara

 

Have we tried this at all?

[Show Me The Money!]

Looks almost like last seasons team.

Makes a little bit of a mockery of the point of all the summer signings

[Garland-sweden]

Ok team but prefer Nagy before Smith. Palmer not even on the bench. Think and hope we will be good today. Predict 2-0 City. Always believe COYR!!!

[OldlandReddies]

LJ out. Win today and we are 8 points behind the mighty Leeds. Get in !!!

[Nogbad the Bad]

Time to take NTTDS's advice, put on my puffiest coat, and once again leg it at a furious pace to the Gate.

 COME ON CITY, STUFF BARNSLEY

[Colombo Robin]

14 minutes ago, RedEyez said:

Wow. You’re completely missing the point and I can’t be bothered to argue with idiots, quite frankly. See ya

That didn't take long. A new PB

[downendcity]

1 hour ago, RedEyez said:

Why don’t you try Ashton Gate and see if we win there? 

Live in Lincolnshire  and watch away games these days, although family circumstances have limited even these in the last couple of years. 

[bristolcitysweden]

COYR

[brad blit]

Funny how we are over halfway into season and no-one can guess our formation/tactics. Perhaps this is one of the most telling factors as to why we are playing so badly, if we don’t know week to week then I’d love to know how the players do!! 

[Spud55]

6 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I don't think he's ever threaded a ball through to Fam successfully. 

Fam is more a back to goal striker anyway. 

But they have barely played together, with time if Pato can learn to play though balls to Fam I have no doubt that Palmer can do the same, plus I also have no doubt that with a little time Palmer can read Fams flicks and break beyond him, considering it took Martley Watkins 1 game to start to do the same. 

Instinctively Palmer will be able to link with a player like afobe, but I will not accept he cannot learn to effectively play with Famara.

[Mrdc]

Barnsley are actually on a rather good run. Having won something like 6 out of their last 7, so today might not be quite as easy as some might think.

[1891 B.C. Sweden]

Come On You Reds!!!

[LondonBristolian]

The Dolman pasty and coffee shop seems to be advertising sheep pies again...

[LondonBristolian]

3 minutes ago, boatman said:

Barnsley are actually on a rather good run. Having won something like 6 out of their last 7, so today might not be quite as easy as some might think.

Cripes. I already thought we’d struggle. I feared they would win by one or two so, if it is not as easy as I think, then we may get beat by three or four...

Is Marley injured again or have his lottery numbers stopped coming up?