collier Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Blackburn we were terrible and we lost. Sheff Wed was bang average and we lost. Tonight we played well and we lost. All that is left is to batter Cardiff with 20 shots on target and to lose 1-0 and we will have rounded out the how to lose a football match in every which way. Personally believe that no matter what type of performance LJ gets from the players the results remain the same. When it gets like that then I think a change is in order. The most compelling thing for me over the last 3 games is that the opposition GK always seems to have an easy night, regardless of our performance. That to me suggests that the manager isn't setting the team up right to win football matches. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, BigTone said: Any spare places ? you seem to have lost the top of your head! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Season over I'm afraid. £17m worth of strikers on the pitch and we still don't look like scoring. Also, I never want to see Williams in a City shirt ever again. It's not the first time he has behaved like a total idiot and let us down badly added to the fact that he's too slow to catch a cold anyway. Should not have even made the starting 11 anyway with 2 quality centre halves on the bench. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Red Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, Kibs said: LLLDDLLL We've scored what, 5 goals in the last 8 games? Haven't scored more than once in any of them. Have had the least shots at goal in the entire division! It's quite shocking really. What an opportunity we had with the break to regain some confidence, get people fit and mount a push for the play-offs. Wasted. Streaky strikes again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Football is the ultimate results business. Our results have been terrible, and something desperately needs to change. We have plenty of turnover in players, the constant is the coaching team. Enough said! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 15 minutes ago, BigTone said: I've actually lost all interest now. Time to ring in some major changes in both management and playing staff. The club has the infrastructure but it seems like we've built Wembley and spent £Millions to watch a supposedly bright young coach turn talented and expensive footballers into absolute melts while boring the hell out of the supporters! My thoughts were close to yours! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, Med/MadHatter said: But LJ said that he can see us going on a run...........!! Only cos the team bus broke down. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted July 1, 2020 Admin Share Posted July 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, MarcusX said: A shot from Afobe and the Williams? header from the long throw. Feels like there were a couple more but only 2 shots on target according to flash scores As someone who hasn't played football for over 20 years I would have comfortably save both efforts Lets be honest it was one of those performances where we could play for hours and never score !! I was surprised how little Wells was involved tonight - but in truth it was just typical frustrating old city yet again 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 17 minutes ago, REDOXO said: Did their goal keeper make a save? He made some sandwiches and a pot of tea during the match. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicdaps Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 20 minutes ago, BigTone said: I've actually lost all interest now. Time to ring in some major changes in both management and playing staff. The club has the infrastructure but it seems like we've built Wembley to watch Yatton Athletic Bit harsh Tone. I played for Yatton for 4-5 seasons before managing the 1st team for 7 years and we were better to watch than City I reckon. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldstandrobin Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Settled in my chair to watch this match on Robins TV. Curry, beer and then first half of half decent play from us. Second half................well...................nearly finished a half bottle of scotch now. Weimann... stupid to let that free kick happen. Williams.......enough said. Korey, frustration at it's highest. SL..............IT'S TIME TO ACT NOW before you lose the faith of us fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Dunno why everyone's so upset, given the number of people who wanted us to lose... 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Decent performance , specially first 45, and if we'd have played like that the first two games we wouldn't be where we are. Plus points Nagy looked the the player we need, faded a little 2nd half but not too surprising Smith with Nagy looked more solid, again mainly first half. Benik looked a threat through the middle, he also looked rusty, which I think we can forgive him for. COD looked much better wide, got more involved and actually tried taking his man on. JD looked near his old self. Vyner got 90 minutes, goo long throw. Palmer's passing , get him fit and involved. Generally more movement, pace in closing down, control and passing was better. Over 90 minutes probably as good as we've been this season. Minus Points Crossing was poor and passing deteriorated. Ashley Williams? that's the last we'll see of him. Well's started poorly and drifted. Pato was the version that really annoys me Vyner continually get caught in possession and his crossing/long passing was dreadful. Generally not clinical enough in the final 3rd If you took this game on it's own, I'd be reasonably pleased. Now whether that's because I was so down after the other two games I don't know. Nagy and Smith looked very good first half, worked well and Weimann and COD busy wide with the two in the middle working together well, mainly Afobe I admit. We looked reasonably solid, carried potential threat and the tempo was good. I even thought the free kick they scored from was harsh, they did that well on a few occasions. Williams? I've seen those as a yellow, and don't forget Bailey Wright got a suspension for getting hit like that and the blokes red overturned. It shows we can play with intensity and purpose, now Cardiff is an interesting one. Lose that and Lansdown surely has a decision to make, to be honest I think he has one to make anyway. Whichever way you look at it, another opportunity wasted. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo76 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Quite funny to hear the BBC Notts commentators endlessly talking about what a poor game it was and I was thinking this is one of the more interesting city games I've watched recently. We really have become accustomed to a terrible standard of football. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, T R said: you seem to have lost the top of your head! I have ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keflav Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, oldstandrobin said: Settled in my chair to watch this match on Robins TV. Curry, beer and then first half of half decent play from us. Second half................well...................nearly finished a half bottle of scotch now. Weimann... stupid to let that free kick happen. Williams.......enough said. Korey, frustration at it's highest. SL..............IT'S TIME TO ACT NOW before you lose the faith of us fans. Think a lot of the fans have already lost faith in the manager, management and the club we have gone stagnant , massive changes needed all over the club... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 36 minutes ago, MelksRed said: Summing up the game in three sentences... Started brightly and created a couple of fleeting chances. Goal down, Williams sees Red, team cohesion breaks down. Hoof the ball up field constantly without any refinement hoping for a half chance. (Ps - the commentators are doing my swede in!) Started brightly actually stringing a few passes together , but still plenty of aimless balls into the channels. didnt come out of the traps second half. Wiemann/Bentley at fault for the goal. stipd red by Williams and more aimless hoof ball . its actually a worry that finding us string a few passages of play together is deemed as “playing much better” by plenty of us on here. Have we really sunk so low ? The football has been poor for a very long time . Time to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 20 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Would have preferred Watkins wide right to Weimann tonight. Thought O'Dowda was okay, but Paterson really looked to add some creativity on that side when he came on. So maybe Pato and Watkins on wings would have been better. And they both run around a lot so not really missing that if we left out Callum and Weimann Ah well, all a bit academic now barring a lottery win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, oldstandrobin said: Settled in my chair to watch this match on Robins TV. Curry, beer and then first half of half decent play from us. Second half................well...................nearly finished a half bottle of scotch now. Weimann... stupid to let that free kick happen. Williams.......enough said. Korey, frustration at it's highest. SL..............IT'S TIME TO ACT NOW before you lose the faith of us fans. No way is he going to act now. I'm convinced that if Johnson does go, which he probably won't, it will either be MacAllister or Robins. If it's the former, prepare for League One. Either way, it won't happen now. Not ITK. Just what I believe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Would have preferred Watkins wide right to Weimann tonight. Thought O'Dowda was okay, but Paterson really looked to add some creativity on that side when he came on. So maybe Pato and Watkins on wings would have been better. And they both run around a lot so not really missing that if we left out Callum and Weimann When you say O'Dowda was okay, you're right, but he's rarely better than okay because he seldom has end product. He can win a few corners but you need more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 18 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Would have preferred Watkins wide right to Weimann tonight. Thought O'Dowda was okay, but Paterson really looked to add some creativity on that side when he came on. In a much improved first half display, O’Dowda and Weimann were our poorest players. I just can’t stand his lack of heart and desire, running around on the periphery of things. So what that he got kicked early on, if I was up against I’d kick him early on too, and my game would be a whole lot easier. In that first 10 minutes there were 3 opportunities to be physical in his press of Cash or Lolley, and he eased off on each occasion and gave his opponent a clearance. Later in the half, Lolley was on the ground and got up, and as he went to go past Callum, he didn’t use his arms or body to make Lolley’s run difficult, or even ease him off the ball. He did a few okay things, but in 76 minutes (+7 injury time minutes in first half) he’s got to do so much more. His inability to get on the ball, even to just rotate passes around is staggering. His body language is that of a guy in shock about what’s going on around him. We had 4 players with 50 or more passes tonight, Callum just 21 (13 successful). That’s 3 ineffective games he’s had on the trot. He has talent, but he gives the impression of wanting to be out there looking all pretty and technical like Cairney, without actually doing anything. I have no idea why LJ picked him tonight, or why he took 76 minutes to hook him. Dont get me wrong, Weimann was as poor tonight, but it’s not like he’s that ineffective game after game. Poor old Jay Dasilva, got through some yards tonight. Wells didn’t have a good game either, but he worked to give Benik space, and they did decently enough in closing the passing lane out from the back. So maybe Pato and Watkins on wings would have been better. We were lightweight under challenge tonight, Watkins could be a surprise inclusion on Saturday. And they both run around a lot so not really missing that if we left out Callum and Weimann Sorry, Callum, I’m always on at you, but that’s because I’ve seen little in these 3 games to think you deserve your place. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 23 minutes ago, collier said: Blackburn we were terrible and we lost. Sheff Wed was bang average and we lost. Tonight we played well and we lost. All that is left is to batter Cardiff with 20 shots on target and to lose 1-0 and we will have rounded out the how to lose a football match in every which way. Personally believe that no matter what type of performance LJ gets from the players the results remain the same. When it gets like that then I think a change is in order. The most compelling thing for me over the last 3 games is that the opposition GK always seems to have an easy night, regardless of our performance. That to me suggests that the manager isn't setting the team up right to win football matches. We didn’t play well. We played slightly better than we have been. If we put in 46 performances next season like we did tonight , we’d finish bottom . It just goes to show how shite we’ve been Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Red Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 21 minutes ago, Lez said: The stats are damning. M8 it is shocking if anyone was bad at a normal job they would get the boot but teflon seems untouchable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) Has LJ spoken yet? Or is he finally speechless? Edited July 1, 2020 by wendyredredrobin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolisredd Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Dunno why everyone's so upset, given the number of people who wanted us to lose... We aren’t upset we are just now saying it is time for LJ to go , 80% of us wanted city to lose tonight for the greater good ... he just needs to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Last 10 games : won 1, lost 7 at the business end of the season, having been around the playoffs all season and getting in a proven striker in January. What more is needed? Times up Lee 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 26 minutes ago, BigTone said: I have ? You would have realised if you hadn't lost the top of your head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 21 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I just can’t stand his lack of heart and desire, running around on the periphery of things. and yet tonight was his best of the 3, speaks volumes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: You would have realised if you hadn't lost the top of your head But it's still there I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collier Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 24 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: We didn’t play well. We played slightly better than we have been. If we put in 46 performances next season like we did tonight , we’d finish bottom . It just goes to show how shite we’ve been I was sort of saying we played well compared to recent performances. We are so accustomed to the football being drab that an average game is upgraded free of charge to a played well game. I know we have been crap I was just trying to make the point of whatever type of performance we get results stay the same!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renaissance Williams Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Speaking as a Happy Clapper, I am now officially clapped out...... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGBjammy Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Some positives for sure, would have been an interesting 2nd half if Williams wasn't an absolute moron. Watching the replay, I counted 3 red card offences in about 10 seconds? Maybe he just wanted some time off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 21 minutes ago, BigTone said: But it's still there I think Some slight adjustment needed I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 27 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: and yet tonight was his best of the 3, speaks volumes. But still one of our worst two players....in a much better team performance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 52 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Fevs you criticised O'Dowda quite rightly, but then defended Andreas Weimaraner (intentional typo!). Both players are hideously short of end product. I know Weimann has bagged a few this season, but he wastes so many attacking opportunities that I can't even admire his work rate any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Just now, mozo said: Fevs you criticised O'Dowda quite rightly, but then defended Andreas Weimaraner (intentional typo!). Both players are hideously short of end product. I know Weimann has bagged a few this season, but he wastes so many attacking opportunities that I can't even admire his work rate any more. Unfortunately every team he puts out is full of runners rather than someone who can make something happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 24 minutes ago, Davefevs said: But still one of our worst two players....in a much better team performance. Apart from early on, and his usual workrate, Weimann was poor, COD actually took his man on a few times, didn't beat him enough or get enough crosses in and drifted out of the game. But I would add Wells, may have ran around, but didn't affect enough for me, he's not looked right in the 3 games. That said I was impressed with Nagy & Smith. While I'm at it, and I know I'm a little biased, those 2/3 balls by Palmer, I know they were out wide, but shows what he can do. Not up to speed, the "shot" showed that, but his vision is brilliant. If we could just get him fitted firing and in the right formation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, mozo said: Fevs you criticised O'Dowda quite rightly, but then defended Andreas Weimaraner (intentional typo!). Both players are hideously short of end product. I know Weimann has bagged a few this season, but he wastes so many attacking opportunities that I can't even admire his work rate any more. I only defended a Weimann in terms of him not being poor every game. Weimann was poor tonight, that’s what I stated. 5/10 at best tonight, O’Dowda the same. I wish we played him straight down the middle or just off a striker, but not wide. He is nowhere near as effective wide. Ratings: (6 is a player earning his corn) Maenpaa 6 / Bentley 6 Vyner 7 (sneaks a 7, he was better than 6) Dasilva 8 Baker 7 Williams 0 (6 until red card) Weimann 5 O’Dowda 5 Smith 7 Nagy 7 Afobe 6.5 Wells 5.5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: Apart from early on, and his usual workrate, Weimann was poor, COD actually took his man on a few times, didn't beat him enough or get enough crosses in and drifted out of the game. But I would add Wells, may have ran around, but didn't affect enough for me, he's not looked right in the 3 games. That said I was impressed with Nagy & Smith. While I'm at it, and I know I'm a little biased, those 2/3 balls by Palmer, I know they were out wide, but shows what he can do. Not up to speed, the "shot" showed that, but his vision is brilliant. If we could just get him fitted firing and in the right formation. Yep, Wells a tad better than Weimann and O’Dowda. I thought his movement complimented Afobe, they closed down well as a pair. It just isn’t working for him at the mo’. Looks a shadow of the player I’ve seen countless times over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yep, Wells a tad better than Weimann and O’Dowda. I thought his movement complimented Afobe, they closed down well as a pair. It just isn’t working for him at the mo’. Looks a shadow of the player I’ve seen countless times over the years. I hope it's nothing to do with the move, he's just not looked confident. The instinct is still there, the goals show that, but he's nowhere near where he can be. Few more games with Afobe might help. Looks more natural fit than Wells & Fam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yep, Wells a tad better than Weimann and O’Dowda. I thought his movement complimented Afobe, they closed down well as a pair. It just isn’t working for him at the mo’. Looks a shadow of the player I’ve seen countless times over the years. Wells seemed to cause more problems playing against us than he has playing for us, it seems. TBH, he was happy at QPR and I don't think he really wanted to come here But QPR were creating opportunities for him whereas we are not. Edited July 1, 2020 by wendyredredrobin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Just now, wendyredredrobin said: Wells seemed to cause more problems playing against us than he has playing for us, it seems. We could have Aguero up front and it would be the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: Wells seemed to cause more problems playing against us than he has playing for us, it seems. I remember the days when we’d sign players purely on how they played against us. I thought those days were over! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Wowsers. That’s a great COD passing stat there Dave. It’s always reassuring to think you’ve seen something terrible and then for it to be fully backed up by the stats, ha ha. It’s a poor stat, particularly as it looked as though O’Dearda had a bit of a free reign tonight. Whilst he started on the left, he popped up centrally (in attack), on the right and centrally in midfield too. With such free reign, you’d expect him to have got on the ball more than he did. Just shows his lack of game intelligence too - if you’re free to roam, you’re generally gonna be looking for the ball all over the pitch. Edited July 1, 2020 by Harry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Redpool said: We could have Aguero up front and it would be the same Very true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, Harry said: Wowsers. That’s a great COD passing stat there Dave. It’s always reassuring to think you’ve seen something terrible and then for it to be fully backed up by the stats, ha ha. It’s a poor stat, particularly as it looked as though O’Dearda had a bit of a free reign tonight. Whilst he started on the left, he popped up centrally (in attack), on the right and centrally in midfield too. With such free reign, you’d expect him to have got on the ball more than he did. Just shows his lack of game intelligence too - if you’re free to roam, you’re generally gonna be looking for the ball all over the pitch. and then just as a comparison, some of Jay’s charts: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Hmm, Forest's thread is only 31 pages long. They think LJ is on his way out though. http://www.forestforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=48818&page=31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Having been critical pre-match about Baker and his passing have to say I was impressed watching his display today, was willing to carry the ball, make progressive forward passes, overlap/underlap runs and stayed calm on the ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Constant Rabbit Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: Yep, Wells a tad better than Weimann and O’Dowda. I thought his movement complimented Afobe, they closed down well as a pair. It just isn’t working for him at the mo’. Looks a shadow of the player I’ve seen countless times over the years. You think Wells wants to be here Dave? His body language is awful at times. If LJ is still here next season, Wells won't be - by choice I suspect. I doubt if he will be the only one looking to move. Palmer Kalas Moore Fammy Elliasson Nagy All will have suitors - all have looked unhappy or been (especially Moore) poorly treated. I can see an exodus tbh. I think most are playing for next year, not the current manager. When pro's like Hendricksen just quit - and you don't be a 57 times international captain by fluke - then something is clearly wrong with LJ's man management of experienced players. I guess it's hard to instruct players when you have never won anything of note as player or manager. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, SX227 said: You think Wells wants to be here Dave? His body language is awful at times. If LJ is still here next season, Wells won't be - by choice I suspect. I doubt if he will be the only one looking to move. Palmer Kalas Moore Fammy Elliasson Nagy All will have suitors - all have looked unhappy or been (especially Moore) poorly treated. I can see an exodus tbh. I think most are playing for next year, not the current manager. When pro's like Hendricksen just quit - and you don't be a 57 times international captain by fluke - then something is clearly wrong with LJ's man management of experienced players. I guess it's hard to instruct players when you have never won anything of note as player or manager. I don't know if I fully agree on the last line- don't know if it is a pre-requisite, Frank at Brentford after all seems to be doing very well there and who had heard of him, but your post aside I broadly agree- though still think it's not too late to prevent that exodus. The list of players, experienced and I'd add players who have played at a higher level than LJ did from here and abroad who have tailed off, fallen out, whatever is long- so long! More than that they've simply regressed before our eyes even starting quite well. Man-management, throwing under the bus- or even something seemingly more correctable but not in his case as setting up in a way that they're not used to, not comfortable with. I think the level of this side is a) A significantly stronger style of play, identity and b) Aiming at 5th/6th. Competing with Nottingham Forest, Preston, Cardiff etc- is that really beyond us? I think the top 3 are better overall and Fulham have a very deep squad helped by parachute payments but we should be true playoff contenders IMO. Bentley Hunt Moore Kalas DaSillva Nagy Smith Massengo Weimann Afobe Wells The depth too... Maenpaa Pereira Baker Kalas DaSilva Nagy Smith Massengo Palmer Wells Afobe Or if you like, Team 1- Weimann as a wider forward/wider right midfielder pushed high, Afobe or Wells central and Eliasson on the left. Paterson chips in from time to time- another useful option to have. Has wasted Benkovic and Henriksen especially- the first a ballplaying CB from a notable nation like Croatia, the 2nd as you describe...Wells has scored some goals but not hit the heights he should. Benkovic should have been a bit of a ball carrying CB with Moore loaned out- a tad harsh loan out for me. And that's just THIS season. We had Magnússon- no Iceland are not one of the top sides in the world but are in a bit of a golden generation. He shackled Perisic in a WCQF- showed some potential in periods, wonder if he could've maybe developed into part of a back 3. Moore-Kalas-Magnússon, two ball carriers in there, all reasonable technically, all young enough to have the pace to squeeze up (unlike Williams might I add). Hegeler, O'Neil- Both somewhat injury hit yet both looked rather good early on as I recall. Playing them in a 2 did them- and us- few favours I think. Yep, top 6 contenders with a style of play to proud of- or should be! PS- Maenpaa for Bentley for me for the foreseeable, thought so a little while ago and found it harsh that he was dropped after performing well in the 2 games before lockdown. Edited July 2, 2020 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 5 hours ago, oldstandrobin said: Settled in my chair to watch this match on Robins TV. Curry, beer and then first half of half decent play from us. Second half................well...................nearly finished a half bottle of scotch now. Weimann... stupid to let that free kick happen. Williams.......enough said. Korey, frustration at it's highest. SL..............IT'S TIME TO ACT NOW before you lose the faith of us fans. I think it's a bit late to be worrying about the fans losing faith that ship has sailed. I think we are onto damage limitation, I was a season ticket holder for nearly 30 years and believe me when I say if I am beginning to lose interest the club had better beware. I'm sure there are a lot more like me out there and once they like me grow out of the habit of attending regularly it's hard to win them back, I still go down but just half as often and that is almost entirely because of the way they are playing at home and I think we all know who is responsible for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Constant Rabbit Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 19 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I don't know if I fully agree on the last line- don't know if it is a pre-requisite, Frank at Brentford after all seems to be doing very well there and who had heard of him, but your post aside I broadly agree- though still think it's not too late to prevent that exodus. The list of players, experienced and I'd add players who have played at a higher level than LJ did from here and abroard who have tailed off, fallen out, whatever is long- so long! More than that they've simply regressed before our eyes even starting quite well. Man-managemebnt, throwing under the bus- or even something seemingly more correctable but not in his case as setting up in a way that they're not used to, not comfortable with. I think the level of this side is a) A signifricantly stronger style of play, identitry and b) Aiming at 5th/6th. Competing with Nottingham Forest, Preston, Cardiff etc- is that really beyond us? I think the top 3 are better overall and Fulham have a very deep squad helped by parachute payments but we should be true playoff contenders IMO. Bentley Hunt Moore Kalas DaSillva Nagy Smith Massengo Weimann Afobe Wells The depth too... Maenpaa Pereira Baker Kalas DaSilva Nagy Smith Massengo Palmer Wells Afobe Or if you like, Team 1- Weimann as a wider forward/wider right midfielder pushed high, Afobe or Wells central and Eliasson on the left. Paterson chips in from time to time- another useful option to have. Has wasted Benkovic and Henriksen especially- the first a ballplaying CB from a notable nation like Croatia, the 2nd as you describe...Wells has scored some goals but not hit the heights he should. Benkovic should have been a bit of a ball carrying CB with Moore loaned out- a tad harsh loan out for me. And that's just THIS season. We had Magnússon- no Iceland are not one of the top sides in the world but are in a bit of a golden generation. He shackled Perisic in a WCQF- showed some potential in periods, wonder if he could've maybe developed into partt of a back 3. Moore-Kalas-Magnússon, two ball carriers in therte, all reasonable technically, all young enough to squeeze up. Hegeler, O'Neil- Both somewhat injury hit yet both looked rather good early on as I recall. Playing them in a 2 did them- and us- few favours I think. Yep, top 6 contenders with a style of play to proud of- or should be! I'd have kept Mags for sure Mr P. Agree with pretty much all you wrote. Why play Williams and Baker ( who is so obviously playing out of his skin for a new contract elsewhere) and sign Benkovich, then leave out or loan Kalas and Moore? Kalas Moore and Baker are my chosen back 3 - yet I'd bet good money that if LJ stays, Kalas and Baker request a move, and a solid offer comes in from a championship side for Moore. Only thing I disagree with is that I honestly feel that managers need to win something at a decent level to be taken seriously by guys that pay at World Cups and in European comps. 2c 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) Quite right what you guys are saying about winning something, playing at a top club etc in order to motivate your players long term. LJ's issue is that he has to be a superb coach and then maintain that level consistently for his players to want to always play for him... It is blindingly obvious they often don't. Not LJ's fault; he simply has that permanent limitation. I think the amount of player signings, the quality, the money spent is an enormous force for good and faith by Steve Lansdown. Clearly he is, or was, desperate for this to work. It must be finally dawning on him that no amount of support is going to give Lee that extra he needs to succeed. He is simply unable to do a job to that higher level necessary to be a long term success. I think that is all there is to it. Edited July 2, 2020 by havanatopia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, 1960maaan said: Some slight adjustment needed I think. . Ah, I see it now. @TomFhow do I get my head back ? Edited July 2, 2020 by BigTone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colemanballs Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 I totally appreciate the hard work that the mods put in keeping this forum as great as it is, but wonder if there is anything that can be done to fix this archive so that matchday threads are regularly transferred into it, if only as a mark of respect for Havanatopia? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Admin phantom Posted December 14, 2021 Admin Share Posted December 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Colemanballs said: Thank you Mods! Still searching for more to move, but is very hard to search for them Going forward I will aim to move them over here about 48 hours or so after a game 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colemanballs Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 3 hours ago, phantom said: Still searching for more to move, but is very hard to search for them Going forward I will aim to move them over here about 48 hours or so after a game Much appreciated. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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