Tyreeq Bakinson is Quality

[054123]

Phenomenal display today by the youngster.

What Holden is asking of him is a hell of a lot, yet he is stepping up to challenge.

Won so many balls today and played so many settling passes.

Not MOM today and yes one or two errors, but all things in, he probably has the hardest role at present and has been phenomenal.

Edited October 3, 2020 by 054123

[daored]

Just now, 054123 said:

Phenomenal display today by the youngster.

What Holden is asking of him is a hell of a lot, yet he is stepping up to challenge.

Won so many balls today and played so many settling passes.

Not MOM today and yes one or two errors, but all things in, he probably had the hardest role at present and has been phenomenal.

Only worry is with these performances other clubs will be taking note

[Ecko]

I thought he was average at best today. Bit naive at times and inexperienced. He was better second half, but nothing to write home about. 

Bentley motm followed by Weimann.

[Red Army 75]

Real surprise . He has taken his opportunity with both hands. Only 1 place were that lad is going and that is the premier league. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With Bristol ******* city 

[BCFC1512]

So so good! Wins everything! Breaks up play a and so calm on the ball!!

[Fordy62]

Touches of class but definitely not at peak form today. 

[Red Army 75]

6 minutes ago, daored said:

Only worry is with these performances other clubs will be taking note

And so they should. A lot of our younger players will now be getting attention. As long as we keep producing and buying young quality players like T Bakinson that’s good enough for me . B Tinnion and his team are seriously working wonders with the youngsters 

Edited October 3, 2020 by Red Army 75

[054123]

2 minutes ago, Ecko said:

I thought he was average at best today. Bit naive at times and inexperienced. He was better second half, but nothing to write home about. 

Bentley motm followed by Weimann.

Disagree. The amount of times he broke up play. 

He’s asked to be involved in almost every phase of their play, so by sheer odds will always make one or two mistakes.

By contrast Weimann is afforded the luxury of 5/10 minute ‘disappearing acts’, because of Bakinson.

His is by far the hardest role in Deans system and the fact we are winning says it all.

If Bakinson was any better right now, he would be a high end premier league player.

None of our players are that.

[054123]

5 minutes ago, Dog said:

Yes excellent again bar a 5 minute spell where he got too cocky. Considering he is basically in by himself it's some achievement.

Exactly.

Its quite astounding when you put it all into context.

[Prinny]

Yep great to have him under contract under 2023

His mistake led to the free kick, and him not closing down quickly (along with others) allowed Freeman to shoot.

Doing great, but he's a young player who is going to make young player mistakes. It'll be very interesting to see how he and we do against the top teams in the league.

[054123]

4 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Touches of class but definitely not at peak form today. 

Peak form would be outrageous Fordy.

He would control games single handedly.

[daored]

2 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

And so they should. A lot of our younger players will now be getting attention. As long as we keep producing and buying young quality players like T Bakinson that’s good enough for me . B Tinnion and his team are seriously working wonders with the youngsters 

Worry will be if a club makes a silly bid in next couple of days 

[joe jordans teeth]

8 minutes ago, Ecko said:

I thought he was average at best today. Bit naive at times and inexperienced. He was better second half, but nothing to write home about. 

Bentley motm followed by Weimann.

Weinmann really,alright I know a goal sometimes glosses over a performance but he was poor barely touched the ball last 40 minutes 

[Northern Red]

1 minute ago, daored said:

Worry will be if a club makes a silly bid in next couple of days 

They won't. He's been excellent but he's played a month of Championship football.

Next summer, however...

[joe jordans teeth]

2 minutes ago, daored said:

Worry will be if a club makes a silly bid in next couple of days 

Not going to happen in these times 

[CiderHider]

10 minutes ago, daored said:

Only worry is with these performances other clubs will be taking note

I'll give them notes 

[GrahamC]

3 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Weinmann really,alright I know a goal sometimes glosses over a performance but he was poor barely touched the ball last 40 minutes 

Dear oh dear.

[joe jordans teeth]

1 minute ago, GrahamC said:

Dear oh dear.

If you are running after your first touch then good luck 

[Red Army 75]

4 minutes ago, daored said:

Worry will be if a club makes a silly bid in next couple of days 

 

1 minute ago, Northern Red said:

They won't. He's been excellent but he's played a month of Championship football.

Next summer, however...

Agree with NR . But for sure he will bring attention from other clubs  . No doubt 

[BCFC Rich]

2 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Weinmann really,alright I know a goal sometimes glosses over a performance but he was poor barely touched the ball last 40 minutes 

I rarely get annoyed with other peoples opinions but AW worked his arse off today and was involved at both ends throughout right until the end. He was even clearly playing through pain at the end and still making runs to cover and press. If this is your honest assessment I can only conclude you were listening to and not watching the game. 

[Bristol Oil Services]

4 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Dear oh dear.

My oh my.

[Mr Hankey]

Dont think people are appreacitating the fact that he is bossing the central/defensive midfield on his own, Pato and Weimann are essentially additional strikers who run more (no disrespect at all with this comment to the pair, its the way we are playing & Andi does chip in very well defensively when needed). He has been unreal so far, i know it’s early days, but this guy is gonna have some of the top scouts watching him, pure class.

[sludge]

DH clearly told him to wind his neck in at half time. Fair play to the lad, much more tidy in the second half 

[IAmNick]

13 minutes ago, 054123 said:

If Bakinson was any better right now, he would be a high end premier league player

He's certainly started the season very well but steady on.

[Packman]

Very poor first half, was so sloppy and far to cocky after going 2 up. But fair play to him he came out second half and was much much better, did all the simple things like he's been doing all season. Like having a new big money signing, hopefully he keeps his head down and works hard, he can go a long way if he wants to.

[joe jordans teeth]

3 minutes ago, BCFC Richard said:

I rarely get annoyed with other peoples opinions but AW worked his arse off today and was involved at both ends throughout right until the end. He was even clearly playing through pain at the end and still making runs to cover and press. If this is your honest assessment I can only conclude you were listening to and not watching the game. 

No I was watching and I fully appreciate people like players running about,I never said he was rubbish today by the way but to claim he was apart from Bentley the best player on the pitch is clearly nonsense 

Edited October 3, 2020 by joe jordans teeth

[054123]

Just now, IAmNick said:

He's certainly started the season very well but steady on.

My point is, if his performance today was ‘average’, then where do you place his ‘better’ performances?

[Dunc]

12 minutes ago, daored said:

Worry will be if a club makes a silly bid in next couple of days 

Crazy considering almost every single one of us would have sent him on loan to league one. Now we're worrying about a 10m+ bid! 

[SedRA]

2 minutes ago, 054123 said:

My point is, if his performance today was ‘average’, then where do you place his ‘better’ performances?

Better than average? 

[Port Said Red]

12 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Weinmann really,alright I know a goal sometimes glosses over a performance but he was poor barely touched the ball last 40 minutes 

[IAmNick]

5 minutes ago, 054123 said:

My point is, if his performance today was ‘average’, then where do you place his ‘better’ performances?

I think he's had a couple of very good performances, and a couple of average to decent ones. It's a few games in, against good but not great opposition.

I'd place his better performances so far as a good higher level championship midfielder personally. If he kept his best performances up he'd get into most top 6 champ sides imo.

But definitely too early to be saying any better and he'd be high end prem. That would make him our best player in how long, ten years? More probably.

I'm really excited to see him develop but don't want to get too carried away as he's a young lad and will have poor games and dodgy form, which we have to accept.

 

Edited October 3, 2020 by IAmNick

[Port Said Red]

5 minutes ago, Packman said:

Very poor first half, was so sloppy and far to cocky after going 2 up. But fair play to him he came out second half and was much much better, did all the simple things like he's been doing all season. Like having a new big money signing, hopefully he keeps his head down and works hard, he can go a long way if he wants to.

I think it's the "David Gower Syndrome" he does everything in such a relaxed way, it looks sloppy or casual when it goes wrong.

[David Brent]

26 minutes ago, Ecko said:

I thought he was average at best today. Bit naive at times and inexperienced. He was better second half, but nothing to write home about. 

Bentley motm followed by Weimann.

I’ll take that as an average performance any day. Not his best game but still an important contribution

[archie andrews]

36 minutes ago, 054123 said:

Phenomenal display today by the youngster.

What Holden is asking of him is a hell of a lot, yet he is stepping up to challenge.

Won so many balls today and played so many settling passes.

Not MOM today and yes one or two errors, but all things in, he probably has the hardest role at present and has been phenomenal.

dont tell em pike..........

[Mad Cyril]

46 minutes ago, daored said:

Only worry is with these performances other clubs will be taking note

The best thing about that thought at the moment is that anything other than a move to a Premier League team would be a downward move...

[Packman]

15 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

I think it's the "David Gower Syndrome" he does everything in such a relaxed way, it looks sloppy or casual when it goes wrong.

I know exactly where you're coming from, but I do think he was particularly sloppy today in the first half. Gave the ball away so many times, trying some flicks and no look passes when he really didn't need to. He was noticeably different in the second half, I think Dean or one of the coaches must of had a chat with him. And fair play to him for taking it on board and playing the way he did second half, much better. Long way to go but think we have a gem on our hands. 

[walsh left foot]

Bakinson is clearly quality however he went missing for most of the game which eventually led to the brunt substitution which lost us pato.

Hes gonna have these games but my worry is when he’s not dominating midfield our tactics seem to be lost.

Anyway a great result onwards and upwards.

[magunn]

Radio 5 report (Pat Murphy ?) Commented 'take note of his name'

he's no longer under the radar

[Jimbo76]

1 hour ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Weinmann really,alright I know a goal sometimes glosses over a performance but he was poor barely touched the ball last 40 minutes 

You must have watched a different game to me. 

Weimann frustrates me quite often but I thought he was very good today and his running is unreal.  There is a reason why he always gets picked. 

Edited October 3, 2020 by Jimbo76

[class not gas]

If it wasnt for Bentleys performance, I would have him as my man of the match.

Weimann I mean.

[Lanterne Rouge]

Today was probably the most experienced midfield two Tyreeq`s come up against to date. Arter & Colback are both good players with hundreds of premier league/championship games between them and he didn`t look out of place.

[James54De]

Worth remembering that he’s had rave reviews early on in both his loans, but tailed off as the season progressed. 

[walsh left foot]

1 hour ago, David Brent said:

I’ll take that as an average performance any day. Not his best game but still an 

Edited October 3, 2020 by walsh left foot

[Super]

Not his best our midfield was dominated today.

[potbelly]

1 hour ago, 054123 said:

Phenomenal display today by the youngster.

What Holden is asking of him is a hell of a lot, yet he is stepping up to challenge.

Won so many balls today and played so many settling passes.

Not MOM today and yes one or two errors, but all things in, he probably has the hardest role at present and has been phenomenal.

Great double use of the word fernominal, congrateulationions on bieng abel to spell it

Edited October 3, 2020 by potbelly
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[Fatalist]

What I really like about Bakinson is that he sees a pass before he gets the ball and his one touch passes are usually accurate and often forwards. All this from a basically defensive midfielder.

 

Edited October 3, 2020 by Fatalist
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[CiderHeadDan]

A decent game today but not his best for sure. He's what I was hoping Massengo would be when we signed him (I think Massengo is decent but way behind Bakinson at the minute and forseable future).

[redapple]

2 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Weinmann really,alright I know a goal sometimes glosses over a performance but he was poor barely touched the ball last 40 minutes 

He might not be what you see in the Premiership but there’s not many as good as him in the championship. He was everywhere today, making chances, tackling, closing down opposition, being a pest and showing experience. 

[DT The Optimist]

1 hour ago, BCFC Richard said:

I rarely get annoyed with other peoples opinions but AW worked his arse off today and was involved at both ends throughout right until the end. He was even clearly playing through pain at the end and still making runs to cover and press. If this is your honest assessment I can only conclude you were listening to and not watching the game. 

It's a 'forum'  Everyone is entitled to a view, whether you agree or not. (I actually agree with you ! FWIW) Everyone will see things differently. 

[joe jordans teeth]

13 minutes ago, redapple said:

He might not be what you see in the Premiership but there’s not many as good as him in the championship. He was everywhere today, making chances, tackling, closing down opposition, being a pest and showing experience. 

Without sounding like robbered I don’t watch premiership because Brighton v Everton to me is as exciting as geordie shore ,I do however watch the championship and he’s good at running about so I agree with you,as for creating chances I’m not sure on that one 

[mozo]

I think some people are being overly critical of Bakinson, even re the 1st half. He worked hard from start to finish and had an incredibly busy day. Overall he did enough for a 7/10

[Davefevs]

3 hours ago, Ecko said:

I thought he was average at best today. Bit naive at times and inexperienced. He was better second half, but nothing to write home about. 

Bentley motm followed by Weimann.

Depends on whether you are using “average” as in average or “average” in a derogatory way like some people do.  For me, overall he did what I expected him to today....good bits and sloppy bits.  I don’t do half marks but he was somewhere between a 6 and a 7.

3 hours ago, JonDolman said:

Fantastic second half but poor first half. But that shows he can come back out and perform. Same goes for Vyner who was far better second half.

Agree, I though his couple of casual bits first half were a bit of a catalyst to giving Forest encouragement.  It’s all a learning curve, and he was better second half.  Vyner likewise.

I suspect at h-t Holden or the coaches re-emphasised to both of them the quality of the Championship and how easy it is to be punished.  They both show the ability to soak up info and act upon it.

2 hours ago, Mr Hankey said:

Dont think people are appreacitating the fact that he is bossing the central/defensive midfield on his own, Pato and Weimann are essentially additional strikers who run more (no disrespect at all with this comment to the pair, its the way we are playing & Andi does chip in very well defensively when needed). He has been unreal so far, i know it’s early days, but this guy is gonna have some of the top scouts watching him, pure class.

I don’t think he bossed it today.  If he was we wouldn’t have been under as much pressure.  I do think it does disrespect Pato and Weimann...it is a midfield unit, and they compliment each other (in the main).

He is looking good though for a youngster playing his first games at this level.

[Mr Hankey]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Depends on whether you are using “average” as in average or “average” in a derogatory way like some people do.  For me, overall he did what I expected him to today....good bits and sloppy bits.  I don’t do half marks but he was somewhere between a 6 and a 7.

Agree, I though his couple of casual bits first half were a bit of a catalyst to giving Forest encouragement.  It’s all a learning curve, and he was better second half.  Vyner likewise.

I suspect at h-t Holden or the coaches re-emphasised to both of them the quality of the Championship and how easy it is to be punished.  They both show the ability to soak up info and act upon it.

I don’t think he bossed it today.  If he was we wouldn’t have been under as much pressure.  I do think it does disrespect Pato and Weimann...it is a midfield unit, and they compliment each other (in the main).

He is looking good though for a youngster playing his first games at this level.

He is doing more than Smith & Massengo/Nagy (& who ever else LJ fiddled with for a 2 man midfield) did as a pair all on his own, dont see how there is a disrespect to Weimann or Pato in there from my comment? Neither have ever been centre mids in their career, Bakinson is doing the role of 2 players on his own currently & is outstanding.

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, Mr Hankey said:

He is doing more than Smith & Massengo/Nagy (& who ever else LJ fiddled with for a 2 man midfield) did as a pair all on his own, dont see how there is a disrespect to Weimann or Pato in there from my comment? Neither have ever been centre mids in their career, Bakinson is doing the role of 2 players on his own currently & is outstanding.

It was the bit where you said bossing it on his own, but it’s just good we are talking about positive impacts.

[Mr Hankey]

10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

It was the bit where you said bossing it on his own, but it’s just good we are talking about positive impacts.

Fair enough, i wasnt trying to negavtively impact Andi & Pato’s role to the team & i understand that he was maybe a bit sloppier at times on the ball today than against Stoke & Sheff Weds but i just think the role he is currently performing is brilliant, early days none the less & heres to hoping things stay on the up!

[DaveInSA]

5 hours ago, Prinny said:

Yep great to have him under contract under 2023

His mistake led to the free kick, and him not closing down quickly (along with others) allowed Freeman to shoot.

Doing great, but he's a young player who is going to make young player mistakes. It'll be very interesting to see how he and we do against the top teams in the league.

Forest will be a top team in this league.

[Street red]

5 hours ago, 054123 said:

Phenomenal display today by the youngster.

What Holden is asking of him is a hell of a lot, yet he is stepping up to challenge.

Won so many balls today and played so many settling passes.

Not MOM today and yes one or two errors, but all things in, he probably has the hardest role at present and has been phenomenal.

This is the difference this season these lads are getting games,Him playing today is that extra game of experience playing against better players playing at bigger settings the lad is absolute quality along with vyner Morrell O'Leary semenyo, I'm proud to see it and makes watching city even more enjoyable.

[Davefevs]

Average age was 25 (and a bit) today....and went below 25 with all 3 subs on.

[Port Said Red]

11 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Average age was 25 (and a bit) today....and went below 25 with all 3 subs on.

Despite bringing on 35 year old Brunt!

 

[Davefevs]

38 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Despite bringing on 35 year old Brunt!

 

Yep, we subbed on 82 years and subbed off 90 years.

[Oh Louie louie]

After his debut. one of the best ive seen from a young un in years.

He would have had a few teams watching him il bet.

Only stating the obvious, but we are going to struggle to keep this kid next year.

 

 

[steveybadger]

14 hours ago, magunn said:

Radio 5 report (Pat Murphy ?) Commented 'take note of his name'

he's no longer under the radar

Yep Pat Murphy

[mozo]

7 hours ago, Oh Louie louie said:

After his debut. one of the best ive seen from a young un in years.

He would have had a few teams watching him il bet.

Only stating the obvious, but we are going to struggle to keep this kid next year.

 

 

We had the same conversation about Massengo this time last season. Bakinson is 8 months away from being a Premier league footballer if he can keep his standards up. It could be life changing for him and £20m for us. But that's a big ask.

[Davefevs]

17 hours ago, magunn said:

Radio 5 report (Pat Murphy ?) Commented 'take note of his name'

he's no longer under the radar

Luckily they all wrote Bake-inson, so he’s safe for a bit longer.

[italian dave]

8 hours ago, Oh Louie louie said:

After his debut. one of the best ive seen from a young un in years.

He would have had a few teams watching him il bet.

Only stating the obvious, but we are going to struggle to keep this kid next year.

 

 

Not when we're in the Premiership!

[italian dave]

11 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Yep, we subbed on 82 years and subbed off 90 years.

Blimey; I knew we were trying to inject a bit more experience this season......!

[The Humble Realist]

Thought I would bump this thread to remind us all that a lot of players are young and need time to develop. 

We also as fans get it wrong. Look at all the comments here about how good bakinson is going to be, no doubt the same fans are 'not bothered ' about him leaving. 

This isn't a criticism, more a reminder at how quickly the tide can turn and we should stay balanced in any praise and criticism of young players in particular like Scott,  benerous etc

 

Hopefully bakinson goes on to have a successful career, hes an academy graduate after all.

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

3 hours ago, The Humble Realist said:

Thought I would bump this thread to remind us all that a lot of players are young and need time to develop. 

We also as fans get it wrong. Look at all the comments here about how good bakinson is going to be, no doubt the same fans are 'not bothered ' about him leaving. 

This isn't a criticism, more a reminder at how quickly the tide can turn and we should stay balanced in any praise and criticism of young players in particular like Scott,  benerous etc

 

Hopefully bakinson goes on to have a successful career, hes an academy graduate after all.

That's a Luton Town academy graduate. 

[BCFC Rich]

I don't actually think he's a bad player, just obviously not on board with whatever role is being asked of him right now and so best for him to move on. He certainly had chances to play under NP, but is obviously not fully onboard with what we are doing right now. Wouldn't surprise me if he matured into a very solid Championship player.

[Davefevs]

12 minutes ago, BCFC Richard said:

I don't actually think he's a bad player, just obviously not on board with whatever role is being asked of him right now and so best for him to move on. He certainly had chances to play under NP, but is obviously not fully onboard with what we are doing right now. Wouldn't surprise me if he matured into a very solid Championship player.

Yep, he’s capable at Championship level, but it depends what you want him to play…and who with.

I made a point last year that in that he had Weimann and Paterson in top form in those early games, but as they dropped out through injury, Tyreeq’s influence waned.