AG Redevelopment latest

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 hour ago, LilRascal said:

I actually really like the stadium getting lit up in red lights for our matches, and then blue for the Bears matches. Looks really smart. But agree that it would be nice to have large, high quality, badges as branding on the exterior of the stands. 

I don't mind the rugby being here but it's a shame they okay in blue because well..

Anathema, in our ground! Blue...really.

That aside the ground definitely could do a bit more visual identity yeah, agreed.

[Lord Northski]

Given the stadium used to be used for 2 hours every fortnight, for nine months of the year. I'm pretty glad it's being used every week, makes a lot more sense. Means all the young people they employ can be given work each week, as they need a regular weekend income whilst in education, and sharing with another sport means no having to share with Rovers. But a badge or two would be nice too, but it keeps it classy not doing so. Always wondered why he didn't sell the naming rights for the stadium to make an extra few million quid, but again, guess it's because it's classier not to. People wishing for a new owner should be careful what they wish for.

[GrahamC]

2 minutes ago, Lord Northski said:

Given the stadium used to be used for 2 hours every fortnight, for nine months of the year. I'm pretty glad it's being used every week, makes a lot more sense. Means all the young people they employ can be given work each week, as they need a regular weekend income whilst in education, and sharing with another sport means no having to share with Rovers. But a badge or two would be nice too, but it keeps it classy not doing so. Always wondered why he didn't sell the naming rights for the stadium to make an extra few million quid, but again, guess it's because it's classier not to. People wishing for a new owner should be careful what they wish for.

With you 100% until the last sentence, can’t happen soon enough.

[Fatknacker]

28 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

With you 100% until the last sentence, can’t happen soon enough.

Yep, Lansdown has done such a bad job, rebuilt the ground, written off debt, given us financial stability for virtually the only time since WW2 and now we are established in the 2nd tier…personally I'm delighted he's our owner and can't imagine who will be better.

Bristol City isn't a big club, has average gates for the division it's in and has only been higher in 11 seasons of our 126 year history and we struggled in every one of those, we are no sleeping giant that justifies frustrstion from fans that we aren't playing amongst the elite every week.

[Davefevs]

6 minutes ago, Fatknacker said:

personally I'm delighted he's our owner and can't imagine who will be better.

Gamechanger 2020 Ltd

[GrahamC]

9 minutes ago, Fatknacker said:

Yep, Lansdown has done such a bad job, rebuilt the ground, written off debt, given us financial stability for virtually the only time since WW2 and now we are established in the 2nd tier…personally I'm delighted he's our owner and can't imagine who will be better.

Bristol City isn't a big club, has average gates for the division it's in and has only been higher in 11 seasons of our 126 year history and we struggled in every one of those, we are no sleeping giant that justifies frustrstion from fans that we aren't playing amongst the elite every week.

Fair enough, it’s a forum you are entitled to your view.

He’s had 20 years in charge & we are flatlining.

I don’t think Brentford, Bournemouth, Brighton, Burnley, Watford, Fulham, Swansea or Cardiff are “sleeping giants” either but they have all managed something he hasn’t.

We were totally financially stable under Harry Dolman (who did achieve top flight football) so that bit is bollocks, by the way.

[Fatknacker]

16 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Fair enough, it’s a forum you are entitled to your view.

He’s had 20 years in charge & we are flatlining.

I don’t think Brentford, Bournemouth, Brighton, Burnley, Watford, Fulham, Swansea or Cardiff are “sleeping giants” either but they have all managed something he hasn’t.

We were totally financially stable under Harry Dolman (who did achieve top flight football) so that bit is bollocks, by the way.

BCFC 1982 Ltd, financially stable?

[GrahamC]

4 minutes ago, Fatknacker said:

BCFC 1982 Ltd, financially stable?

Not sure what that has to do with Harry Dolman, as he died in 1977.

Anyway I’ve just looked at your post history & there’s absolutely no point in debating with you.

[Fatknacker]

9 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Not sure what that has to do with Harry Dolman, as he died in 1977.

Anyway I’ve just looked at your post history & there’s absolutely no point in debating with you.

Thanks for looking.

[Lord Northski]

2 hours ago, GrahamC said:

With you 100% until the last sentence, can’t happen soon enough.

Brexit was sold as an opportunity to sell to the world and to take control of our borders, Oh and some other nationalist bollox, to pump the nads of the knuckle draggers. As a result, a majority of voters got what they wished for, evidently without the intelligence to realise what they already had, or work out the risks of jumping feet first, and gambling the farm on a spin of a coin which was sold by charlatans. All without thinking whether such a move could potentially fall flat on it's arse, making us look like an international basket case, and demonstrate to the world that a majority of the British adult population were thick is pig shit.

With this in mind. One would like to think that those heralding the arrival of a new Messiah will do so conscious that, it's mathematically likely their judgement on new untested shiny things is flawed, based on recent history As such, they may prudently decide it's probably best to leave such decisions to those who've evidently demonstrated their competence in financial matters for decades. 

So, probably best to ask yourself "Did I vote for Brexit?" before you make any further comment. 

Edited December 2, 2023 by Lord Northski

[Davefevs]

I think part of the problem is thinking that running up £200m of losses to get to our position - league and infrastructure is a) a fantastic achievement and b) the only way of achieving the current position.  I’m not saying it’s bad either, but other clubs have proved otherwise on both sides of good and bad.

But it is perceived that new owners can only be bad, and there couldn’t possibly be upside to SL.

The analogy with Brexit doesn’t quite work - we will get no say in who any new owners will be.

I keep saying - if SL sells us to an unfit ownership group, that’s on him too - I will see that as him just looking for “dollar”.  Personally I don’t think he would do that, JL reiterated that on Monday.

I made reference to Gamechanger 2020 above.  For those who don’t know, they are Ipswich’s current owners, replaced Marcus Evans.  Ipswich fans had grown tired of Evans, it started to become toxic and he started to restrict funds.

Ipswich are thriving.

They are a better comparison than Brexit imho.

And yes, there are some basket case owners too, to give some balance.

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I wonder if it was Gamechanger that Ashton was shmoosing in Florida?  I wonder if he pitched them to SL?  He certainly acted quick once he knew he was leaving here,

[W-S-M Seagull]

4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I think part of the problem is thinking that running up £200m of losses to get to our position - league and infrastructure is a) a fantastic achievement and b) the only way of achieving the current position.  I’m not saying it’s bad either, but other clubs have proved otherwise on both sides of good and bad.

But it is perceived that new owners can only be bad, and there couldn’t possibly be upside to SL.

The analogy with Brexit doesn’t quite work - we will get no say in who any new owners will be.

I keep saying - if SL sells us to an unfit ownership group, that’s on him too - I will see that as him just looking for “dollar”.  Personally I don’t think he would do that, JL reiterated that on Monday.

I made reference to Gamechanger 2020 above.  For those who don’t know, they are Ipswich’s current owners, replaced Marcus Evans.  Ipswich fans had grown tired of Evans, it started to become toxic and he started to restrict funds.

Ipswich are thriving.

They are a better comparison than Brexit imho.

And yes, there are some basket case owners too, to give some balance.

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I wonder if it was Gamechanger that Ashton was shmoosing in Florida?  I wonder if he pitched them to SL?  He certainly acted quick once he knew he was leaving here,

Sounds a bit like here at the moment. 

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Sounds a bit like here at the moment. 

Indeed

[bearded_red]

47 minutes ago, Lord Northski said:

Brexit was sold as an opportunity to sell to the world and to take control of our borders, Oh and some other nationalist bollox, to pump the nads of the knuckle draggers. As a result, a majority of voters got what they wished for, evidently without the intelligence to realise what they already had, or work out the risks of jumping feet first, and gambling the farm on a spin of a coin which was sold by charlatans. All without thinking whether such a move could potentially fall flat on it's arse, making us look like an international basket case, and demonstrate to the world that a majority of the British adult population were thick is pig shit.

With this in mind. One would like to think that those heralding the arrival of a new Messiah will do so conscious that, it's mathematically likely their judgement on new untested shiny things is flawed, based on recent history As such, they may prudently decide it's probably best to leave such decisions to those who've evidently demonstrated their competence in financial matters for decades. 

So, probably best to ask yourself "Did I vote for Brexit?" before you make any further comment. 

 A genuinely mental comparison, but still, luckily I voted remain which apparently means I can crack on wanting Lansdown to sell up ASAP.

[GrahamC]

6 minutes ago, bearded_red said:

 A genuinely mental comparison, but still, luckily I voted remain which apparently means I can crack on wanting Lansdown to sell up ASAP.

I couldn’t be arsed to reply, but likewise.

[bcfc01]

12 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

I couldn’t be arsed to reply, but likewise.

Ditto.

Ignored.

[Harry]

1 hour ago, Lord Northski said:

Brexit was sold as an opportunity to sell to the world and to take control of our borders, Oh and some other nationalist bollox, to pump the nads of the knuckle draggers. As a result, a majority of voters got what they wished for, evidently without the intelligence to realise what they already had, or work out the risks of jumping feet first, and gambling the farm on a spin of a coin which was sold by charlatans. All without thinking whether such a move could potentially fall flat on it's arse, making us look like an international basket case, and demonstrate to the world that a majority of the British adult population were thick is pig shit.

With this in mind. One would like to think that those heralding the arrival of a new Messiah will do so conscious that, it's mathematically likely their judgement on new untested shiny things is flawed, based on recent history As such, they may prudently decide it's probably best to leave such decisions to those who've evidently demonstrated their competence in financial matters for decades. 

So, probably best to ask yourself "Did I vote for Brexit?" before you make any further comment. 

Ha ha. This is hilarious. 
A load of nonsense put forward as an argument in response to Graham C, who is probably one of the most staunch remainers on here. 
Your post is ridiculous. In every sense. 

Edited December 2, 2023 by Harry

[Midlands Robin]

There are a group of people who constantly praise the Lansdowns for constantly pumping cash in to the club (or more accurately in most cases turning debt into shares) like this is some sort of great thing.

In one sense it is because it keeps the club afloat but, if you stand back for a moment, this is actually more of a problem. It means that they are not running us well as a business. Any business that generates more and more debt is not being run well. Eventually it's going to go bust or the owners will have to sell it on and cut their losses. We've only really had half a dozen player sales in the last decade that have kept the club out of bigger trouble.

The redevelopment of the area surrounding AG will look great but it won't directly help City which is what we all really care about here. The bigger the Bristol Sport monster grows the harder it will be to find a buyer to take on the whole lot. Any bit by bit sale will see BCFC sperated from Ashton Gate and that really will spell huge trouble for the future of the club.

[Davefevs]

@Midlands Robin

[Mr Popodopolous]

6 hours ago, Fatknacker said:

Yep, Lansdown has done such a bad job, rebuilt the ground, written off debt, given us financial stability for virtually the only time since WW2 and now we are established in the 2nd tier…personally I'm delighted he's our owner and can't imagine who will be better.

Bristol City isn't a big club, has average gates for the division it's in and has only been higher in 11 seasons of our 126 year history and we struggled in every one of those, we are no sleeping giant that justifies frustrstion from fans that we aren't playing amongst the elite every week.

 

4 hours ago, Lord Northski said:

Brexit was sold as an opportunity to sell to the world and to take control of our borders, Oh and some other nationalist bollox, to pump the nads of the knuckle draggers. As a result, a majority of voters got what they wished for, evidently without the intelligence to realise what they already had, or work out the risks of jumping feet first, and gambling the farm on a spin of a coin which was sold by charlatans. All without thinking whether such a move could potentially fall flat on it's arse, making us look like an international basket case, and demonstrate to the world that a majority of the British adult population were thick is pig shit.

With this in mind. One would like to think that those heralding the arrival of a new Messiah will do so conscious that, it's mathematically likely their judgement on new untested shiny things is flawed, based on recent history As such, they may prudently decide it's probably best to leave such decisions to those who've evidently demonstrated their competence in financial matters for decades. 

So, probably best to ask yourself "Did I vote for Brexit?" before you make any further comment. 

On the SL in/out.

Good and bad things, in some ways progress, in some ways steps back.

He has run his course...and his son is of questionable willingness and aptitude.

For football it is a long era. Bad luck with Ashton Vale, but failing to twist properly in January 2008, failing to properly back NP this summer.

[frenchred]

18 hours ago, Fatknacker said:

Yep, Lansdown has done such a bad job, rebuilt the ground, written off debt, given us financial stability for virtually the only time since WW2 and now we are established in the 2nd tier…personally I'm delighted he's our owner and can't imagine who will be better.

Bristol City isn't a big club, has average gates for the division it's in and has only been higher in 11 seasons of our 126 year history and we struggled in every one of those, we are no sleeping giant that justifies frustrstion from fans that we aren't playing amongst the elite every week.

Thanks Maggie, now go polish Steve's golf clubs

[Here we go.....again]

20 hours ago, Lord Northski said:

Brexit was sold as an opportunity to sell to the world and to take control of our borders, Oh and some other nationalist bollox, to pump the nads of the knuckle draggers. As a result, a majority of voters got what they wished for, evidently without the intelligence to realise what they already had, or work out the risks of jumping feet first, and gambling the farm on a spin of a coin which was sold by charlatans. All without thinking whether such a move could potentially fall flat on it's arse, making us look like an international basket case, and demonstrate to the world that a majority of the British adult population were thick is pig shit.

With this in mind. One would like to think that those heralding the arrival of a new Messiah will do so conscious that, it's mathematically likely their judgement on new untested shiny things is flawed, based on recent history As such, they may prudently decide it's probably best to leave such decisions to those who've evidently demonstrated their competence in financial matters for decades. 

So, probably best to ask yourself "Did I vote for Brexit?" before you make any further comment. 

If only the blind could see.

[Fatknacker]

18 hours ago, frenchred said:

Thanks Maggie, now go polish Steve's golf clubs

Well said, now use your not considerable intellect to respond to my post, you complete half wit…every City supporter should be proud and grateful for the chance to polish anything he wants.

If you don't like his ownership, dig your grubby little paw in your back pocket, pull out your grubby plastic little wallet, buy the club and start financing it yourself.

Edited December 4, 2023 by Fatknacker
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[frenchred]

9 hours ago, Fatknacker said:

Well said, now use your not considerable intellect to respond to my post, you complete half wit…every City supporter should be proud and grateful for the chance to polish anything he wants.

If you don't like his ownership, dig your grubby little paw in your back pocket, pull out your grubby plastic little wallet, buy the club and start financing it yourself.

Sounds like you should get your nose out of his ass

[bcfc01]

9 hours ago, Fatknacker said:

Well said, now use your not considerable intellect to respond to my post, you complete half wit…every City supporter should be proud and grateful for the chance to polish anything he wants.

If you don't like his ownership, dig your grubby little paw in your back pocket, pull out your grubby plastic little wallet, buy the club and start financing it yourself.

Agree with the response if not the content 

[bearded_red]

10 hours ago, Fatknacker said:

Well said, now use your not considerable intellect to respond to my post, you complete half wit…every City supporter should be proud and grateful for the chance to polish anything he wants.

If you don't like his ownership, dig your grubby little paw in your back pocket, pull out your grubby plastic little wallet, buy the club and start financing it yourself.

What a good little bootlicker.

[Natchfever]

10 hours ago, Fatknacker said:

Well said, now use your not considerable intellect to respond to my post, you complete half wit…every City supporter should be proud and grateful for the chance to polish anything he wants.

If you don't like his ownership, dig your grubby little paw in your back pocket, pull out your grubby plastic little wallet, buy the club and start financing it yourself.

What a stupid post.

[alexukhc]

Do we need to expand?

[Full nelson]

Last time I was down the Gate working and asked what was going on? Was told it was going to the courts. So could be years away yet. That was the jist I got.....

[Ska Junkie]

13 minutes ago, Full nelson said:

Last time I was down the Gate working and asked what was going on? Was told it was going to the courts. So could be years away yet. That was the jist I got.....

Isn't that the arena etc that are going to court?

[Thomas_red]

On 02/12/2023 at 15:21, Midlands Robin said:

The redevelopment of the area surrounding AG will look great but it won't directly help City

Anyone know if increased revenue attributed to the expansion of facilities - hotel, conference, basketball arena etc. in anyway benefits our FFP obligations?

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 minute ago, Thomas_red said:

Anyone know if increased revenue attributed to the expansion of facilities - hotel, conference, basketball arena etc. in anyway benefits our FFP obligations?

It should do, a lot of it.

Hotel and Conference facilities certainly...can come with costs too.

Probably more that can fit the category too.

Under the new system we could able to add the income with minimal impact upon costs.

Wonder too if the Basketball Arena coukd be stuck under Club Ownership and rented to the Flyers.

Could it also enhance sponsorship and naming rights potential for the group as a whole? Maybe.

[redkev]

Does it score goals

[Woofyourkipper]

On 04/12/2023 at 00:29, Fatknacker said:

Well said, now use your not considerable intellect to respond to my post, you complete half wit…every City supporter should be proud and grateful for the chance to polish anything he wants.

If you don't like his ownership, dig your grubby little paw in your back pocket, pull out your grubby plastic little wallet, buy the club and start financing it yourself.

****

[W-S-M Seagull]

12 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

It should do, a lot of it.

Hotel and Conference facilities certainly...can come with costs too.

Probably more that can fit the category too.

Under the new system we could able to add the income with minimal impact upon costs.

Wonder too if the Basketball Arena coukd be stuck under Club Ownership and rented to the Flyers.

Could it also enhance sponsorship and naming rights potential for the group as a whole? Maybe.

I'm interested to see what the ownership of the new development will look like. Like will it be owned by Ashton Gate Ltd? Cos at the moment it's being done by estaban investments I believe? There's been no indication that it will be transfered to Ashton Gate ltd? All I've seen is that it's been referred to as a sister company? 

I dont think the basketball will own the arena so will be tenants. The main purpose of the arena I'd suggest is non sporting activities. Concerts, conventions etc. I don't know if there is any financial controls in basketball? Assuming there is not you could have it where the basketball pay fair value to rent the arena from Ashton Gate and Steve Lansdown covers that out of his own pocket. 

There would like you see be the potential to have naming rights on the arena which is another money earner. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

18 minutes ago, redkev said:

Does it score goals

No but it can in theory bolster revenue to pay for better players perhaps even up front.

Edited February 1 by Mr Popodopolous

[Hxj]

20 minutes ago, redkev said:

Does it score goals

No - it will be know as the Weimann Semenyo Arena

[A Horse With No Name]

Probably mentioned before, but Wickes is closing at the end of this month. Could things finally be happening? 

[Hxj]

31 minutes ago, Thomas_red said:

Anyone know if increased revenue attributed to the expansion of facilities - hotel, conference, basketball arena etc. in anyway benefits our FFP obligations?

 

8 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

'm interested to see what the ownership of the new development will look like. Like will it be owned by Ashton Gate Ltd? Cos at the moment it's being done by estaban investments I believe?

If the development was undertaken in Ashton Gate Limited the costs would have crippled that company for FFP purposes, you only have to see what happened with Bramley Dock and Everton.

I'd expect the development to be transferred to Ashton Gate Ltd in due course.  Once transferred the profits would feed into the FFP calculation for Bristol City Holdings Ltd, unless it was deemed to be too remote from the football trade for EFL purposes, but I don't see that happening.

 

[Monkeh]

2 minutes ago, Hxj said:

 

If the development was undertaken in Ashton Gate Limited the costs would have crippled that company for FFP purposes, you only have to see what happened with Bramley Dock and Everton.

I'd expect the development to be transferred to Ashton Gate Ltd in due course.  Once transferred the profits would feed into the FFP calculation for Bristol City Holdings Ltd, unless it was deemed to be too remote from the football trade for EFL purposes, but I don't see that happening.

 

I thought infrastructure improvements were exempt 

[Natchfever]

28 minutes ago, Woofyourkipper said:

****

Seconded.

[Hxj]

8 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

I thought infrastructure improvements were exempt 

When you account for the improvement, like a new building you capitalise the costs of the structure, so you don't have a cost that is deducted as an expense.  Ina  development project there are many expenses which you cannot capitalise and would therefore appear in the P&L and therefore count for FFP purposes. 

Plus if the whole development collapsed that would potentially put Ashton Gate Ltd into liquidation, which completely negates the purpose of a separate stadium company.

Edited February 1 by Hxj

[Mr Popodopolous]

5 minutes ago, Hxj said:

When you account for the improvement, like a new building you capitalise the costs of the structure, so you don't have a cost that is deducted as an expense.  Ina  development project there are many expenses which you cannot capitalise and would therefore appear in the P&L and therefore count for FFP purposes. 

Plus if the whole development collapsed that would potentially put Ashton Gate Ltd into liquidation, which completely negates the purpose of a separate stadium company.

Wasn't the Everton issue in a large part about pre and post Planning Permission (plus obviously overspending on players etc).

[Hxj]

3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Wasn't the Everton issue in a large part about pre and post Planning Permission

It was - Everton claimed that if they had capitalised the interest costs of the development then there would not have been an issue.  Unfortunately following accounting standards they couldn't capitalise any of it, which shows how much thought went into their defence ....

[Mr Popodopolous]

Just now, Hxj said:

It was - Everton claimed that if they had capitalised the interest costs of the development then there would not have been an issue.  Unfortunately following accounting standards they couldn't capitalise any of it, which shows how much thought went into their defence ....

Thanks. Without diverging onto Everton surely that wouldn't have been a risk here for us or would it?

[Hxj]

3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

surely that wouldn't have been a risk here for us or would it?

It would.  I'll leave it there for this thread.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I'm interested to see what the ownership of the new development will look like. Like will it be owned by Ashton Gate Ltd? Cos at the moment it's being done by estaban investments I believe? There's been no indication that it will be transfered to Ashton Gate ltd? All I've seen is that it's been referred to as a sister company? 

I dont think the basketball will own the arena so will be tenants. The main purpose of the arena I'd suggest is non sporting activities. Concerts, conventions etc. I don't know if there is any financial controls in basketball? Assuming there is not you could have it where the basketball pay fair value to rent the arena from Ashton Gate and Steve Lansdown covers that out of his own pocket. 

There would like you see be the potential to have naming rights on the arena which is another money earner. 

There is a salary cap on basketball

1 hour ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Probably mentioned before, but Wickes is closing at the end of this month. Could things finally be happening? 

I don’t think so.  Think all the season ticket parking was renewed before Xmas, so nothing until summer.  Still waiting for the judicial review anyway.

[1960maaan]

2 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Probably mentioned before, but Wickes is closing at the end of this month. Could things finally be happening? 

It been stated that the disputed development at ‘Longmoor Village’, was to aid fund the Sporting Quarter. 
Until that is settled I don't think there will be any movement.

[Monkeh]

1 hour ago, Hxj said:

It was - Everton claimed that if they had capitalised the interest costs of the development then there would not have been an issue.  Unfortunately following accounting standards they couldn't capitalise any of it, which shows how much thought went into their defence ....

Ffp and the prem equivalent are two completely different set of rules by two different governing bodies, you can't compare the 2

[Hxj]

1 hour ago, Monkeh said:

Ffp and the prem equivalent are two completely different set of rules by two different governing bodies, you can't compare the 2

In principle I agree, however both rely on accounts which are prepared to the same accounting standards.  So whilst there will always be differences in interpretation and application a set of accounts prepared for the EPL will be identical to one prepared for the EFL with the same underlying transactions.

It is those accounts which are relevant in this thread.

[RollsRoyce]

4 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

It should do, a lot of it.

Hotel and Conference facilities certainly...can come with costs too.

Probably more that can fit the category too.

Under the new system we could able to add the income with minimal impact upon costs.

Wonder too if the Basketball Arena coukd be stuck under Club Ownership and rented to the Flyers.

Could it also enhance sponsorship and naming rights potential for the group as a whole? Maybe.

This a vague loophole that will be closed 

[Mr Popodopolous]

28 minutes ago, Hxj said:

In principle I agree, however both rely on accounts which are prepared to the same accounting standards.  So whilst there will always be differences in interpretation and application a set of accounts prepared for the EPL will be identical to one prepared for the EFL with the same underlying transactions.

It is those accounts which are relevant in this thread.

Agreed.

6 minutes ago, RollsRoyce said:

This a vague loophole that will be closed 

Which bit.

Commercial Revenue is widely recognised as a correct and legitimate revenue stream. What is or can be more contentious is Related Party Sponsorship (hello Brum) if it is oddly inflated.

Edited February 1 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

People maybe interested to know, Birmingham may have plans for a Sports Quarter.

Wonder if

a) Their Naming Rights are with that in mind a bit and

b) If they will face similar hurdles from a company such as this recycling one that we appear to be.

[redkev]

Can nothing in this city just get done without all the fuss 

ffs we have a great city ( which nearly every away fan says when coming here ,

I work all over the country and nearly everywhere I go when they know I’m from Bristol  ( which is usually after half a sentence ) they always say how much they love Bristol ( and the accent which I find bizarre ) 

but to get anything done it goes through the mill & back and takes ages , I’m still waiting for the metro system I use to read about in the evening post when I was about 14 I’m now in my fifties and still waiting and reading about it .

[phantom]

4 hours ago, Thomas_red said:

Anyone know if increased revenue attributed to the expansion of facilities - hotel, conference, basketball arena etc. in anyway benefits our FFP obligations?

A few of us from the SC&T went through the finances of the club and how every £1 we spend gets into which account etc 

Minutes and graphics are close to being completed where all this will be explained 

It's not as black and white as we thought 

[CyderInACan]

I think that this is a straight replacement for ETM (unsurprisingly) 

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Ashton Gate has appointed Veolia as the stadium’s new recycling and waste contractor.

The one-year contract will see Veolia manage all waste stream collections for Ashton Gate Stadium, Robins High Performance Centre and Bristol Bears High Performance Centre.

Using the expertise gained from serving a number of key sporting venues, Veolia will provide a proactive, reliable service seven days a week, with zero waste going to landfill treatment. Veolia’s Bristol service centre is local to the stadium and both High Performance Centres, minimising the operation’s carbon footprint, helping Ashton Gate and the Bristol Sport Group meet the sustainability goals set by Project Whitebeam.

Project Whitebeam is a joint effort across the sporting group’s clubs and Ashton Gate Stadium to recognise, measure and mitigate Bristol Sport’s impact on the environment. This aligns closely with Veolia’s purpose of ecological transformation, which places sustainability at the forefront of the company’s processes, solutions and mindset.

In addition to overseeing the general waste stream and the recycling of plastic, cardboard, food and glass, Veolia’s online Customer Hub will also enable Ashton Gate to review, report and optimise the stadium’s environmental performance with usage data per individual game.

Ross Wormald, Operations Director for Ashton Gate said:

“I’m hugely excited with Veolia’s global influence and expertise, it will positively benefit our recycling challenges, enhancing our total waste management strategy and sustainability credentials. Bristol Sport and Ashton Gate are proud to have Veolia as a key partner in helping us achieve our waste recycling goals.” 

Commenting on the partnership, Adam Wylie, Veolia’s Managing Director for Commercial said:

“By partnering with Ashton Gate we will be able to help them make a significant positive impact on their recycling rates, and further progress their sustainability. Bristol Sport and Ashton Gate Stadium have ambitious goals, which aligns with Veolia’s purpose of ecological transformation, and we are looking forward to implementing some of our initiatives and innovations in this partnership.”

Supporters are encouraged to respect our community and use bins on matchdays.

Ashton Gate’s proximity to the Avon Gorge, historic harbour and local parkland makes it a special and unique stadium. Children play near here so if local bins are full, please bring your litter to the stadium and dispose of it upon arrival in the bins in the Fan Village/concourse.

For more information about Veolia visit www.veolia.co.uk.

[RedRaw]

Which might suggest the rumour of an agreement between us and ETM regarding the planning ‘issue’ might be unsubstantiated 

[slartibartfast]

1 hour ago, CyderInACan said:

I think that this is a straight replacement for ETM (unsurprisingly) 

Ashton Gate appoint Veolia as waste contractor - Ashton Gate (ashtongatestadium.co.uk)

Ashton Gate appoint Veolia as waste contractor

20 February 2024

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Ashton Gate has appointed Veolia as the stadium’s new recycling and waste contractor.

The one-year contract will see Veolia manage all waste stream collections for Ashton Gate Stadium, Robins High Performance Centre and Bristol Bears High Performance Centre.

Using the expertise gained from serving a number of key sporting venues, Veolia will provide a proactive, reliable service seven days a week, with zero waste going to landfill treatment. Veolia’s Bristol service centre is local to the stadium and both High Performance Centres, minimising the operation’s carbon footprint, helping Ashton Gate and the Bristol Sport Group meet the sustainability goals set by Project Whitebeam.

Project Whitebeam is a joint effort across the sporting group’s clubs and Ashton Gate Stadium to recognise, measure and mitigate Bristol Sport’s impact on the environment. This aligns closely with Veolia’s purpose of ecological transformation, which places sustainability at the forefront of the company’s processes, solutions and mindset.

In addition to overseeing the general waste stream and the recycling of plastic, cardboard, food and glass, Veolia’s online Customer Hub will also enable Ashton Gate to review, report and optimise the stadium’s environmental performance with usage data per individual game.

Ross Wormald, Operations Director for Ashton Gate said:

“I’m hugely excited with Veolia’s global influence and expertise, it will positively benefit our recycling challenges, enhancing our total waste management strategy and sustainability credentials. Bristol Sport and Ashton Gate are proud to have Veolia as a key partner in helping us achieve our waste recycling goals.” 

Commenting on the partnership, Adam Wylie, Veolia’s Managing Director for Commercial said:

“By partnering with Ashton Gate we will be able to help them make a significant positive impact on their recycling rates, and further progress their sustainability. Bristol Sport and Ashton Gate Stadium have ambitious goals, which aligns with Veolia’s purpose of ecological transformation, and we are looking forward to implementing some of our initiatives and innovations in this partnership.”

Supporters are encouraged to respect our community and use bins on matchdays.

Ashton Gate’s proximity to the Avon Gorge, historic harbour and local parkland makes it a special and unique stadium. Children play near here so if local bins are full, please bring your litter to the stadium and dispose of it upon arrival in the bins in the Fan Village/concourse.

For more information about Veolia visit www.veolia.co.uk.

Plus.............they're cheaper ?

[CyderInACan]

 

[Full nelson]

We'll probably be still waiting this time next year for the diggers to move in. 

[bcfcshorey]

2 hours ago, CyderInACan said:

 

I'd think that it's still worth clearing the site whilst the legal case proceeds. If SL decides to give up on the project and sell the land, the land would probably be worth more as a clean slate ready for other developments.

And if the case goes our way, we're not too far off schedule.

[slartibartfast]

6 minutes ago, bcfcshorey said:

I'd think that it's still worth clearing the site whilst the legal case proceeds. If SL decides to give up on the project and sell the land, the land would probably be worth more as a clean slate ready for other developments.

And if the case goes our way, we're not too far off schedule.

And if it doesn't we could always sell it to the gash for their new stadium !

[JackofromSanJavier]

1 hour ago, slartibartfast said:

And if it doesn't we could always sell it to the gash for their new stadium !

Why would they move here?  They've only been at the fruit market stadium for a couple of seasons, surely?      

[TV Tom]

26 minutes ago, JackofromSanJavier said:

Why would they move here?  They've only been at the fruit market stadium for a couple of seasons, surely?      

You mean they don’t play up the UWE anymore?

[Mendip City]

2 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

You mean they don’t play up the UWE anymore?

They’re somewhere in Bath aren’t they? I can’t keep up. 

[phantom]

Anyway there is a thread to talk about that lot, please keep their name off sensible threads 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Hopefully it Isn t history repeating to a degree. We are now better off in other ways but Ashton Vale..Sporting Quarter??

Should we read that vs that or still too early, too different?

[TV Tom]

40 minutes ago, Mendip City said:

They’re somewhere in Bath aren’t they? I can’t keep up. 

Severnside?

[exAtyeoMax]

7 hours ago, CyderInACan said:

 

I was more interested in the shopper from Primark who was shocked that her skirt didn't fit…

 

[Natchfever]

Could Lansdown proceed with the Sporting Quarter discreet from Longmoor if he really wanted ?