Semenyo is not a striker they score goals

[Sheltons Army]

10 minutes ago, Packman said:

I think he wasn't at his best today, especially first half and a little bit wasteful at times. But he scored a fantastic goal and got another assist so I'll take that. 

He's so important to us, shame he was injured at the start of the season.

Not so sure , he’s recently explained how his recovery time gave him time to reflect on and analyse his game ( Hiw mature and intelligent for a young player)

Id also suggest the rehab working the gym has seen him kick on a level physically 

He also spent a lot of rehab time with Andi Weimann and Chris Martin- He recently alluded to how helpful they’d been to him , he didn’t specify about training ground , in game or where but some boring hours in the gym gives a lot of time for talking

 

So ......:laugh:......I’m not so sure , a twist of fate , and the injury could just be the making of him !

[Sheltons Army]

1 minute ago, Robbored said:

Despite his youth and inexperience he is already doing just that and the good news is that he’s nowhere near his full potential yet.

Unfortunately for us he’ll move on in the summer so we won’t get to see him at his best and that’s a real pity.

Yes , his understanding of the game and implementation and use of his assets has leapt several levels in a short space of time ( I’ve said in my post above about his injury rehab time)

Shows intelligence , a desire to improve , ........and he’s still learning !

Great stuff

[Colemanballs]

That flick. Wow! Goal of the season if it'd gone in.

[Robbored]

11 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

He was already quality last season. Seeing the improvement from 19/20 season to 20/21 season, I thought he was likely to be a real top player at this level this season.

If he stays fit then he should keep improving as he is only 22, and by next season who knows how good he may be.

I thought that I was the only poster who could see that. I got laughed at when I predicted that he’d score a few goals this season.

[Alex_BCFC]

I think Better Red needs to admit he is wrong and thread can close. 

[REDOXO]

On 28/11/2020 at 09:14, Better Red said:

First thing is I am not saying his not worth his place in team at the moment.When I said on here that I just don’t think he will make it as a striker I got pelters. He has had a few good games and I got reminded of my post. But I still stand by my option he won’t make a championship  striker. I said he won’t get 10 goals a season and I stand by that call. Wide in a front 3 yes but he still has to score at least 6 a season. If he can’t then for me then we find someone who can. O’Dowda should have been let go for the same reason 2 seasons ago. So if he ain’t a striker then Wells has to play as one of the front 3. If we play with a 2 then for me it’s Martin. Goals win you games and we have to find the right mix of players that in a attacking 3 who get 10 games plus a season. If we don’t then we wont progress to the next level. So for me it’s simple he plays but if he ain’t scoring then we try someone else. For me it’s a bit like Massengo we all want the youngsters to be the answer and we have to give them time but eventually you have to make a honest judgment. Some times it does not work out. Bakinson is now way ahead of him and that was in just 12 months. Time will tale. I know I will get questioned for this post. I am sure I will be reminded of this post if he starts  to score goals. Hopefully I will. But honestly ask yourself is he a championship striker?

Some posts just don’t stand the test of time! 
 

Bakinson ahead! Funny old game. 

[Better Red]

Thought he was pretty average today despite his goal - put my tin hat on but just being honest.

He’s touch was off today and wasted a few good opportunities to break forward as could not quiet get hold of the ball.

Would have got subbed if did not score when he did.

That said he’s strength is there to see and always look like he can cause trouble when he runs at the opposition.

Good goal although I thought he scuffed  it a bit for the shoot but they all count.

Can he play as a Striker through the middle still not sure consistently at this level time will tell.  

He is still some one I would play wIde in a front three - Yes have said that consistently from the start.

As to step up another level he is not ready he needs to improve he’s touch and decision making before he will be ready for the next level.

Pace and  strength is very important in to days game and he has both.

If I was a prem manager would I take a punt on him for £10/15m - No 

If I was a top championship team would I  take him for £3/5m - Yes

Seven goals so getting closer to the ten so just maybe a new thread…..

 

 

[Scrumpylegs]

Doubling down on your comments there. Very brave - that might come back to bite you in the ass I reckon!!

Edited February 19, 2022 by Scrumpylegs

[chinapig]

2 minutes ago, Better Red said:

Thought he was pretty average today despite his goal - put my tin hat on but just being honest.

He’s touch was off today and wasted a few good opportunities to break forward as could not quiet get hold of the ball.

Would have got subbed if did not score when he did.

That said he’s strength is there to see and always look like he can cause trouble when he runs at the opposition.

Good goal although I thought he scuffed  it a bit for the shoot but they all count.

Can he play as a Striker through the middle still not sure consistently at this level time will tell.  

He is still some one I would play wIde in a front three - Yes have said that consistently from the start.

As to step up another level he is not ready he needs to improve he’s touch and decision making before he will be ready for the next level.

Pace and  strength is very important in to days game and he has both.

If I was a prem manager would I take a punt on him for £10/15m - No 

If I was a top championship team would I  take him for £3/5m - Yes

Seven goals so getting closer to the ten so just maybe a new thread…..

 

 

If you're in a hole stop digging.

[elhombrecito]

5 minutes ago, Better Red said:

Good goal although I thought he scuffed  it a bit for the shoot but they all count.

Couldn't even manage one compliment, without a little dig. 

Go on, just admit you were wrong. I promise, it'll be therapeutic for you.

Personally I didn't think he'd ever be up to even Championship level, and I am absolutely delighted that he's proven me wrong and continues to do so every week.

[HappyClapper]

4 minutes ago, Better Red said:

Thought he was pretty average today despite his goal - put my tin hat on but just being honest.

He’s touch was off today and wasted a few good opportunities to break forward as could not quiet get hold of the ball.

Would have got subbed if did not score when he did.

That said he’s strength is there to see and always look like he can cause trouble when he runs at the opposition.

Good goal although I thought he scuffed  it a bit for the shoot but they all count.

Can he play as a Striker through the middle still not sure consistently at this level time will tell.  

He is still some one I would play wIde in a front three - Yes have said that consistently from the start.

As to step up another level he is not ready he needs to improve he’s touch and decision making before he will be ready for the next level.

Pace and  strength is very important in to days game and he has both.

If I was a prem manager would I take a punt on him for £10/15m - No 

If I was a top championship team would I  take him for £3/5m - Yes

Seven goals so getting closer to the ten so just maybe a new thread…..

 

 

Fair play BR. Not quite humble pie but you made some fair observations about his all round game today.

 I reckon by the end of the season you might be on the Semenyo bus with the rest of us.

[Lew-T]

Another game, another goal and assist.

This thread is going well.

[Better Red]

1 minute ago, HappyClapper said:

Fair play BR. Not quite humble pie but you made some fair observations about his all round game today.

 I reckon by the end of the season you might be on the Semenyo bus with the rest of us.

Always try to be honest.

I feel that is always not welcomed when you question the players.

If you read the thread I started it with I have always said I liked him ‘but’ I don’t think he will score goals at this level to warrant playing him through the middle.

He is doing he’s best to prove me wrong and I have said as soon as/if he gets 10 I will be first on here to start another thread.

As for MOM today comments- No

Thats not being negative towards Seymenyo it’s just being honest.

Williams and Bentley were different class today and we’re both 9/10 Scott was also very good. 
 

In fairness to Seymnyo he did have a big impact on the game getting a goal and assist when he is not at he’s best is credit to him.

Again I am sure some will see if different but in all fairness if they do then they just did not go down today or not being honest.

[Better Red]

19 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

Another game, another goal and assist.

This thread is going well.

It’s just goals…

I must remember to post every game he does not score.. 

[DaveInSA]

On 13/02/2022 at 13:09, Better Red said:

What judge a ‘Striker’ that would be crazy…

Just to clear it up a ‘Striker’ measurement is goals scored.

Not complicated.

You only bring the other ones in to an argument when the player has not scored enough goals to justify the tag ‘Striker’

It was all my title that you have so clearly responded to.

With both know that Striker are judged on goals.  
 

So when he scores say 10 goals when can say he is a ‘Striker’ 

When he does I will post a new thread.

 

 

Such a negative view. Your man Semenyo was utter quality today. Take him out of the city line up and you have…literally no movement, no pace in the press.

Nobody running back to make interceptions and pressure the opposition into mistakes.

He’s critical to the way we play.

And his goal today was brilliant.

so get off your high horse admit you’re wrong and we can all move on.

 

[Sheltons Army]

Just now, Better Red said:

It’s just goals…

I must remember to post every game he does not score.. 

I thought you used to , but had to give up on that

 

[Better Red]

1 minute ago, Sheltons Army said:

I thought you used to , but had to give up on that

 

Would have been doing every week at one point…

[David Brent]

8 minutes ago, Better Red said:

It’s just goals…

Grr why does he just score 

[Better Red]

3 minutes ago, DaveInSA said:

Such a negative view. Your man Semenyo was utter quality today. Take him out of the city line up and you have…literally no movement, no pace in the press.

Nobody running back to make interceptions and pressure the opposition into mistakes.

He’s critical to the way we play.

And his goal today was brilliant.

so get off your high horse admit you’re wrong and we can all move on.

 

He was not brilliant today. He was ok.

Did some good stuff - Yes a goal and assist was a good return.

Hes touch and decision making we’re off today.

5 mins from being taken off before his goal so not brilliant.

Critical to the way we play - Yes completely agree he gives an outlet and carries the ball and the team up the pitch.

Worth he’s place - Yes definitely impacted the game today.

Take him out the team - No have not said that ever - read my thread at the start of this.

Would I have subbed him before his goal - Yes 

MoM - No. Williams and Bentley were outstanding.

I am not on a high horse just saying what I see

[Betty Swallocks]

49 minutes ago, Better Red said:

Thought he was pretty average today despite his goal - put my tin hat on but just being honest.

He’s touch was off today and wasted a few good opportunities to break forward as could not quiet get hold of the ball.

Would have got subbed if did not score when he did.

That said he’s strength is there to see and always look like he can cause trouble when he runs at the opposition.

Good goal although I thought he scuffed  it a bit for the shoot but they all count.

Can he play as a Striker through the middle still not sure consistently at this level time will tell.  

He is still some one I would play wIde in a front three - Yes have said that consistently from the start.

As to step up another level he is not ready he needs to improve he’s touch and decision making before he will be ready for the next level.

Pace and  strength is very important in to days game and he has both.

If I was a prem manager would I take a punt on him for £10/15m - No 

If I was a top championship team would I  take him for £3/5m - Yes

Seven goals so getting closer to the ten so just maybe a new thread…..

 

 

Hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaaha, Jesus, what an idiot.

[HappyClapper]

17 minutes ago, Better Red said:

Always try to be honest.

I feel that is always not welcomed when you question the players.

If you read the thread I started it with I have always said I liked him ‘but’ I don’t think he will score goals at this level to warrant playing him through the middle.

He is doing he’s best to prove me wrong and I have said as soon as/if he gets 10 I will be first on here to start another thread.

As for MOM today comments- No

Thats not being negative towards Seymenyo it’s just being honest.

Williams and Bentley were different class today and we’re both 9/10 Scott was also very good. 
 

In fairness to Seymnyo he did have a big impact on the game getting a goal and assist when he is not at he’s best is credit to him.

Again I am sure some will see if different but in all fairness if they do then they just did not go down today or not being honest.

I felt your initial comments were a little Ill judged as young players often make leaps in development. Some physically, in Semenyo’s case more to do with confidence and decision making.

However I do agree with you on his performance today. He was not at his best and strangely ineffective in possession. Even Nige mentioned that he was thinking of taking him off before he scored.

Shows how far he’s come when a goal and an assist and not one of his better games. He is on a steep development curve. Hope he is still with us next season. There will be a lot of clubs after him in the summer.

[maxjak]

54 minutes ago, Better Red said:

Thought he was pretty average today despite his goal - put my tin hat on but just being honest.

He’s touch was off today and wasted a few good opportunities to break forward as could not quiet get hold of the ball.

Would have got subbed if did not score when he did.

That said he’s strength is there to see and always look like he can cause trouble when he runs at the opposition.

Good goal although I thought he scuffed  it a bit for the shoot but they all count.

Can he play as a Striker through the middle still not sure consistently at this level time will tell.  

He is still some one I would play wIde in a front three - Yes have said that consistently from the start.

As to step up another level he is not ready he needs to improve he’s touch and decision making before he will be ready for the next level.

Pace and  strength is very important in to days game and he has both.

If I was a prem manager would I take a punt on him for £10/15m - No 

If I was a top championship team would I  take him for £3/5m - Yes

Seven goals so getting closer to the ten so just maybe a new thread…..

 

 

Please  keep digging that hole? 

[The turtle]

Goal + assist. 

And doing it often. Since Xmas you've felt he's had it in him every game. 

Don't need your strikers to be perfect.they will make errors, it comes with being a striker.  Toches can be poor, the run can be wrong. But it's about getting it right sometimes and then making something from when you do. 

What you do need them to do is contribute + feel that a goal is in them at any point. 

He's becomes that guy since Christmas, definitely a man in form. He's worked hard on the training ground, this had led to results, which leads to belief in working hard, its a positive circle. 

The only real question he needs to answer is how long his next "off spell" lasts.  Overcome that and he'll play at a very high level. 

 

Right now, he deserves all the acclaim coming his way. Its a joy to watch him clearly enjoy football

[TonyTonyTony]

My eyes are squiffy after a few too many but this belter keeps on making a knob of himself.

Semenyo is a beast

[Better Red]

44 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Please  keep digging that hole? 

What exactly do you actually disagree with in above ?

[Better Red]

53 minutes ago, Betty Swallocks said:

Hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaaha, Jesus, what an idiot.

What bit ‘genius’ are you laughing at ?

[Better Red]

6 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

My eyes are squiffy after a few too many but this belter keeps on making a knob of himself.

Semenyo is a beast

Two pints is a lot for someone of your age… go careful 

[Sleepy1968]

56 minutes ago, Better Red said:

He was not brilliant today. He was ok.

Did some good stuff - Yes a goal and assist was a good return.

Hes touch and decision making we’re off today.

5 mins from being taken off before his goal so not brilliant.

Critical to the way we play - Yes completely agree he gives an outlet and carries the ball and the team up the pitch.

Worth he’s place - Yes definitely impacted the game today.

Take him out the team - No have not said that ever - read my thread at the start of this.

Would I have subbed him before his goal - Yes 

MoM - No. Williams and Bentley were outstanding.

I am not on a high horse just saying what I see

I'll defend the first part of your post, but even for an 'indifferent' performance the bloke has managed to get an assist and goal. That sort of thing can happen when you're a class player. Anyway, I did chuckle at the low valuation you put on Antoine: there will be plenty of Prem clubs willing to spunk £15M+ on his services if he continues in performing around current levels until the end of the season. And if they got him for that, they'd have a real bargain.

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, Pezo said:

But Nige said he was just about to take him because his build up play wasn't good enough.

The sage returns .

Today he was quite loose in possession, held onto it a bit long, either allowing the DM to pin him or when wide, allowing the WB to pin him.

But he produced two moments of magic, assist and goal, and other good moments too, but not at his beast-mode best today, but still good btw…as @Sleepy1968says above.

Second half Chris Martin back to goal was brilliant, with a bit of the run of the ball, we might’ve scored more.

Edited February 19, 2022 by Davefevs

[elhombrecito]

14 goal contributions in 19 games. Seems like a pretty decent return for a striker to me...

[TonyTonyTony]

11 minutes ago, Better Red said:

Two pints is a lot for someone of your age… go careful 

Just support the lad. A very bright talent we have at the club and you prefer to score points. Have a drink on me

[cidered abroad]

I am stunned at how little some of our contributors understand about the game and how difficult it is for young players to break into a first team at all levels of the game.

They will be the inconsistent for a couple of seasons or three for no apparent reason. Semenyo was a good example today. Scored a goal and assisted in a second. But the sparkle was missing at times. So what? Since he returned from injury in November /December he has been one of the sparks that have helped to rebuild our team.

Along with all the other young ones, who are breathing new life into the team and club. O'Leary, Tanner,  Atkinson, Pring , Massengo, Scott,  Benarous and others. Didn't Sam Bell do a tidy job for an hour?

We are on the way back and upwards.

Edited February 19, 2022 by cidered abroad

[The Swan and Cemetery]

Hansen’s long been derided for his “you can’t win anything with kids” comment re Man U in 1995, but he was broadly right, Man U won the title that year because Fergie’s Fledglings also had Schmeichel, Irwin, Bruce, Pallister, Cantona and Cole alongside them. With Bell doing well today, Benarous on the bench and positive vibes from the Academy about a few others, it seems increasingly likely that Pearson’s pre-pubescents are ready and raring, the challenge will getting the right oven ready Championship experience around them. Down the spine that looks okay with Bentley, Kalas, Klose, Williams, James, Weimann and Martin, the challenge looks to be having a bit more (good quality) experience in wide areas.

Not sure we’re more than a couple away from a pretty decent side, so hope that Gould and Pearce (or whomever) are on top form over coming months in shipping some wages and bringing in a decent new face or two - hopefully Kelly or Webster sales can give us some leeway, rather than needing to sell any of the youngsters.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, elhombrecito said:

14 goal contributions in 19 games. Seems like a pretty decent return for a striker to me...

In just 1300 minutes of action too.  Seriously impressive.

I listened his goal to today to Didier Drogba (lazy comparison) or Frank Worthington (golden oldie comparison).

[Malago]

Nige quite critical of Antoine.  “Within 30 seconds of getting hooked”

[2015]

Semenyo is the main reason we have won 4 home games in a row and why we are so much more attractive to watch nowadays. Take him out of the side and we create very little.

Average today? You must be on something heavy to think that total nonsense

[TheReds]

4 hours ago, Better Red said:

Thought he was pretty average today despite his goal - put my tin hat on but just being honest.

He’s touch was off today and wasted a few good opportunities to break forward as could not quiet get hold of the ball.

Would have got subbed if did not score when he did.

That said he’s strength is there to see and always look like he can cause trouble when he runs at the opposition.

Good goal although I thought he scuffed  it a bit for the shoot but they all count.

Can he play as a Striker through the middle still not sure consistently at this level time will tell.  

He is still some one I would play wIde in a front three - Yes have said that consistently from the start.

As to step up another level he is not ready he needs to improve he’s touch and decision making before he will be ready for the next level.

Pace and  strength is very important in to days game and he has both.

If I was a prem manager would I take a punt on him for £10/15m - No 

If I was a top championship team would I  take him for £3/5m - Yes

Seven goals so getting closer to the ten so just maybe a new thread…..

 

 

 

[RedorDead BCFC]

I liked him last season, and was hoping and glad he’s pushed on. 
He’s one of those players that when he’s picking the ball up, people get up. We’ve not had many players recently to get bums of seats. 

[Garland-sweden]

We could see last season he had something. This season he shows that something. Strong, pace, can shoot and give nice assists. A real good player, hope we can keep him.

[Monkeh]

10 hours ago, Better Red said:

He was not brilliant today. He was ok.

Did some good stuff - Yes a goal and assist was a good return.

Hes touch and decision making we’re off today.

5 mins from being taken off before his goal so not brilliant.

Critical to the way we play - Yes completely agree he gives an outlet and carries the ball and the team up the pitch.

Worth he’s place - Yes definitely impacted the game today.

Take him out the team - No have not said that ever - read my thread at the start of this.

Would I have subbed him before his goal - Yes 

MoM - No. Williams and Bentley were outstanding.

I am not on a high horse just saying what I see

You ate so wrong my brain hurts, I think my 5 year old dog knows more about football then you do, wouldn't surprise me if you thought Bobby Charlton was bang average or Peter Shilton didn't command his box

Just admit it you haven't got a clue about player development and reckon youth team football (I'm talking 6 and 7 year olds) should only be judged on results

You are like fozzy bear....a clueless unfunny muppet

[Bristol Rob]

9 minutes ago, TomF said:

Just checking in to see if he’s still not a striker? 

Someone might have upgraded him to 'impact sub'.

[Port Said Red]

8 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Someone might have upgraded him to 'impact sub'.

But is he an academy product, according to Bristol Boy jr. probably not.

[Better Red]

1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said:

Someone might have upgraded him to 'impact sub'.

I said when he scores 10 Championship goals in a season I will change the title to ‘is a striker’

In all fairness he is pretty much there.

I still think he is better as wide in a front three.

Can he play down the middle - still not sure (yet) 

Does he need there - probably not.

Is he Championship level- Deff yes and could play for the top 6 easily.

His pace power and strength make a real diff to this team and the success we will have this year.

I just hope we hold onto him In the window.

Has he proved me wrong - Yes has done amazingly well.

Is he a Striker - Just maybe.

[Davefevs]

25 minutes ago, Better Red said:

I said when he scores 10 Championship goals in a season I will change the title to ‘is a striker’

In all fairness he is pretty much there.

I still think he is better as wide in a front three.

Can he play down the middle - still not sure (yet) 

Does he need there - probably not.

Is he Championship level- Deff yes and could play for the top 6 easily.

His pace power and strength make a real diff to this team and the success we will have this year.

I just hope we hold onto him In the window.

Has he proved me wrong - Yes has done amazingly well.

Is he a Striker - Just maybe.

Based on what evidence?

The evidence of a season split between Holden and Pearson, when he played mainly as a wide-forward, and where you formed the opinion he’s not a striker.  That’s quite convenient…especially as since his return to the team post-injury last December he’s played as a central striker and done incredibly well (that’s not just my view but professional football’s view) and looked every bit a central striker.  You’re still not sure though.  Come on, swallow your pride “just, maybe”….just say yes he is.

[The Gasbuster]

This thread needs binning, or at least renaming.

[Sheltons Army]

18 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said:

This thread needs binning, or at least renaming.

Or one for the classics 

[Ian M]

• Antoine Semenyo is a product of Bristol City’s Academy
• Antoine Semenyo is a Championship level striker

“These are just lies, brought to you by the Mainstream (social) Media” - Better Red

[AppyDAZE]

1 hour ago, The Gasbuster said:

This thread needs binning, or at least renaming.

Wait til you hear this belter

Bentley is not a goalkeeper

[Red-Robbo]

To be fair, in his early introductions to the team, Antoine looked strong and aggressive and had many great qualities, but he missed some sitters and seemed scared to take a pop at goal, even when he was in a better position than the player he passed to.

As many predicted, once he started chalking up a few, he gained confidence rapidly and now he's a massive attacking asset and in market terms, our most valuable player.

I'll hold my hand up and say at one stage I wondered whether his future was as a forward midfielder rather than an out-and-out central forward. I think a fair few of us wondered that.

But clearly the qualities he showed in training are now evident in competitive games and I'm very happy that he has evolved into the sort of player we'll be talking about for decades to come.  

 

[Better Red]

2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Based on what evidence?

The evidence of a season split between Holden and Pearson, when he played mainly as a wide-forward, and where you formed the opinion he’s not a striker.  That’s quite convenient…especially as since his return to the team post-injury last December he’s played as a central striker and done incredibly well (that’s not just my view but professional football’s view) and looked every bit a central striker.  You’re still not sure though.  Come on, swallow your pride “just, maybe”….just say yes he is.

What evidence ? Watching him play is the main one.

Its not convenient that’s what I saw - maybe Holden & Pearson do as well.

A wide forward if you won’t to use that term  - Deff Yes and Deff top end of the Championship - Deff yes

In my opinion he is more effective for us and will be through out his  career playing wide of the main Striker.

I am not saying he is not a good player ( read my comments from way back always have said I like him) 

Lets see what happens and see if he plays through the middle now he is fit.

2 questions that was posed from my post 

1 - Can he score goals at this level ? I questioned that and clearly he can.

2 - Is he a main Striker through the middle - I said No and I still say the same. Is he closer today than when I posted the comment? clearly.

I stand by the comment at the time and he’s goal scoring record stands up to that comment at the time like it or not.

Can he play as a main Striker ? 
 

He’s only problem is Conway at the moment is looking like a ‘ Striker who can score goals and ‘play through the middle - And wow by the way who thought we would be saying that ( unless someone wants to disagree…)

Will my opinion change ? Sure it well as the players improve or go backwards.

Can I be wrong - Sure like everyone else game of opinions.

So back to the question can he play through the - Yes

The real question is will he (that’s the test - if managers believe if can he will)

My opinion is he will be the wide player not the player through the middle.

So have I changed my mind about the position- No

Have I changed my opinion about will he score goals - yes

so is he a Striker - still maybe 

Big Question ? It’s tough one.

Both fully fit who’s would you play through the middle - Conway (started less than 10 Championship games). Or Seymenyo ? 
 

Don’t say both….

I know who I will pick.

 

 

[Phileas Fogg]

50 minutes ago, Better Red said:

What evidence ? Watching him play is the main one.

Its not convenient that’s what I saw - maybe Holden & Pearson do as well.

A wide forward if you won’t to use that term  - Deff Yes and Deff top end of the Championship - Deff yes

In my opinion he is more effective for us and will be through out his  career playing wide of the main Striker.

I am not saying he is not a good player ( read my comments from way back always have said I like him) 

Lets see what happens and see if he plays through the middle now he is fit.

2 questions that was posed from my post 

1 - Can he score goals at this level ? I questioned that and clearly he can.

2 - Is he a main Striker through the middle - I said No and I still say the same. Is he closer today than when I posted the comment? clearly.

I stand by the comment at the time and he’s goal scoring record stands up to that comment at the time like it or not.

Can he play as a main Striker ? 
 

He’s only problem is Conway at the moment is looking like a ‘ Striker who can score goals and ‘play through the middle - And wow by the way who thought we would be saying that ( unless someone wants to disagree…)

Will my opinion change ? Sure it well as the players improve or go backwards.

Can I be wrong - Sure like everyone else game of opinions.

So back to the question can he play through the - Yes

The real question is will he (that’s the test - if managers believe if can he will)

My opinion is he will be the wide player not the player through the middle.

So have I changed my mind about the position- No

Have I changed my opinion about will he score goals - yes

so is he a Striker - still maybe 

Big Question ? It’s tough one.

Both fully fit who’s would you play through the middle - Conway (started less than 10 Championship games). Or Seymenyo ? 
 

Don’t say both….

I know who I will pick.

 

 

Just take the L - you got it wrong, but who cares really. It’s far better for all of us is Semenyo continues to blossom.

You’re posting under a pseudonym - it really doesn’t matter that much whether ‘Better Red’ on OTIB got it wrong.

[REDOXO]

Johnson brought back Semenyo from Newport. Apparently Chelsea had bid four million for him. I don’t remember him scoring a goal during that period but he was sent off against Derby which ended our season. I remember it well as I had a drunken rant about our lack of fire power under Johnson. 
 

The change for Semenyo was when Pearson got hold of him. All of a sudden he was nearly impossible to play. Look at him yesterday, no one could get the ball off him. 
 

so whatever Pearson and or his staff did has changed the direction of that lads career!

[Sheltons Army]

11 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

Johnson brought back Semenyo from Newport. Apparently Chelsea had bid four million for him. I don’t remember him scoring a goal during that period but he was sent off against Derby which ended our season. I remember it well as I had a drunken rant about our lack of fire power under Johnson. 
 

The change for Semenyo was when Pearson got hold of him. All of a sudden he was nearly impossible to play. Look at him yesterday, no one could get the ball off him. 
 

so whatever Pearson and or his staff did has changed the direction of that lads career!

Combination of things I’d summise 

Pearson and coaching staffs influence , trust , etc

 

But probably more significant

His injury - or rather his gym work and how he used his recovery time to analyse his own game - Pearson was clearly impressed by it

And , the influence , help and advice of Martin , Weimann & Wells

[Davefevs]

@Better Redboth…I’d happily pair Conway and Semenyo as my centre forwards / strikers.  I’m a great believer in striker partnerships.

I see both as very good making in to out runs.  Play Antoine as a wide forward and you cut down his influence to only when the ball is on that side.

[Sheltons Army]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

@Better Redboth…I’d happily pair Conway and Semenyo as my centre forwards / strikers.  I’m a great believer in striker partnerships.

I see both as very good making in to out runs.  Play Antoine as a wide forward and you cut down his influence to only when the ball is on that side.

Totally agree 

He likes to ‘roam’ , you certainly don’t want to restrict him

No different from Weimann really

You could play a flat front three with 

Antoine / Tommy / Andi and have Antoine and Andi constantly making out to in diagonal runs around Conways movement - it could be devastating 

But why change what’s working 

Antoine / Conway , Antoine / Martin , Antoine / Wells , with Andi bursting from behind all sound decent to me !

 

[Better Red]

2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

@Better Redboth…I’d happily pair Conway and Semenyo as my centre forwards / strikers.  I’m a great believer in striker partnerships.

I see both as very good making in to out runs.  Play Antoine as a wide forward and you cut down his influence to only when the ball is on that side.

I think you are saying Seymeny

Simple question not loaded.

Front 3  - 

who would play down the middle Conway or Seymenyo ?

No right or wrong answer.

Its only an opinion. 

I have said Conway because all my comments above.

[Better Red]

2 hours ago, Sheltons Army said:

Totally agree 

He likes to ‘roam’ , you certainly don’t want to restrict him

No different from Weimann really

You could play a flat front three with 

Antoine / Tommy / Andi and have Antoine and Andi constantly making out to in diagonal runs around Conways movement - it could be devastating 

But why change what’s working 

Antoine / Conway , Antoine / Martin , Antoine / Wells , with Andi bursting from behind all sound decent to me !

 

So you would put Seymenyo out wide as well.

 

[Better Red]

Everyone disagrees when I say Seymenyo is best wide in a 3

But when I ask who you would play through the middle in a front 3 ?

Everyone seems to says they would play Conway through the middle and Seymenyo ‘Wide in the front Three’ I think that what they are saying.

It feels like we all sort of agree and yet I am the only one who is able to state  it ‘ clearly’ as my opinion.

Its not questioning his ability he is an excellent player - I am sure we all agree with that.

Just opinion after all.

We will able to see where Nige plays him as he is hopefully fit to start in the next 2 or 3 games.

Seymenyo is a Wide player in a front three who scores goals….

[Sheltons Army]

27 minutes ago, Better Red said:

So you would put Seymenyo out wide as well.

 

Think you need to read my post again

Id play him in a two , at the moment with Tommy Conway

 

 

Edited August 28, 2022 by Sheltons Army

[Better Red]

2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

@Better Redboth…I’d happily pair Conway and Semenyo as my centre forwards / strikers.  I’m a great believer in striker partnerships.

I see both as very good making in to out runs.  Play Antoine as a wide forward and you cut down his influence to only when the ball is on that side.

I knew you would say ‘both’

How did I guess that.

Maybe , just maybe because you actually agree.

And that is ok to say it.

I have already said he proved me wrong and ‘can’ score at this level he is a great player for us.

If we play a back 5 and we do we can only have 3 front players as we need 2 midfielders.

If the 3 are - Conway, Seymenyo and Wieman (my best 3)

Front 3  - who plays through the middle Semenyo or Conway - there is ‘no wrong answer’ it’s just an opinion.

 

[Port Said Red]

I don't think any of of our front 3 have set positions, it depends on how the play breaks, which markers they feel they can be most effective against and how their partners are placed.

I am just watching Forest Spurs and although Forest have a similar front 3 and they look quite effective, they are much less fluid positionally which is allowing Spurs to cope reasonably well with them.

 

[Sheltons Army]

1 minute ago, Better Red said:

I knew you would say ‘both’

How did I guess that.

Maybe , just maybe because you actually agree.

And that is ok to say it.

I have already said he proved me wrong and ‘can’ score at this level he is a great player for us.

If we play a back 5 and we do we can only have 3 front players as we need 2 midfielders.

If the 3 are - Conway, Seymenyo and Wieman (my best 3)

Front 3  - who plays through the middle Semenyo or Conway - there is ‘no wrong answer’ it’s just an opinion.

 

No one ‘plays down the (exact) middle

Weimann plays behind the two 

 

You appear desperate to pigeon hole Semenyo wide in a three to , in some misguided way think it will keep alive your argument , or what’s left of it , that he ‘isn't a striker’

 

Out of interest , If NP did play him either side in a flat front three - what would you be calling him ? A winger ? 

[And Its Smith]

@Better Red it’s Semenyo not Seymenyo 

[Monkeh]

2 hours ago, Better Red said:

Everyone disagrees when I say Seymenyo is best wide in a 3

But when I ask who you would play through the middle in a front 3 ?

Everyone seems to says they would play Conway through the middle and Seymenyo ‘Wide in the front Three’ I think that what they are saying.

It feels like we all sort of agree and yet I am the only one who is able to state  it ‘ clearly’ as my opinion.

Its not questioning his ability he is an excellent player - I am sure we all agree with that.

Just opinion after all.

We will able to see where Nige plays him as he is hopefully fit to start in the next 2 or 3 games.

Seymenyo is a Wide player in a front three who scores goals….

Everyone disagrees with you because you are a moron 

[cheese]

1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

@Better Red it’s Semenyo not Seymenyo 

Maybe that's the confusion - Better Red is talking about a different player.

[RedHienz]

1 hour ago, cheese said:

Maybe that's the confusion - Better Red is talking about a different player.

Or he is just a troll that has been using several names over the last few years with no actual knowledge about the team. 

Hey Dog.

[Better Red]

13 hours ago, Monkeh said:

Everyone disagrees with you because you are a moron 

Well done great contribution.

12 hours ago, RedHienz said:

Or he is just a troll that has been using several names over the last few years with no actual knowledge about the team. 

Hey Dog.

No knowledge - Yeah right

[ralphindevon]

Sky Sports just now, Jobi McAnuff’s one’s to watch as we get to the end of the transfer window includes Semenyo, who “would fit in nicely with Palaces recruitment strategy”

[Bristol Rob]

15 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

@Better Red it’s Semenyo not Seymenyo 

And he'd play him out Y-'ed

[Port Said Red]

8 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

And he'd play him out Y-'ed