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21 hours ago, Better Red said:

What evidence ? Watching him play is the main one.

Its not convenient that’s what I saw - maybe Holden & Pearson do as well.

A wide forward if you won’t to use that term  - Deff Yes and Deff top end of the Championship - Deff yes

In my opinion he is more effective for us and will be through out his  career playing wide of the main Striker.

I am not saying he is not a good player ( read my comments from way back always have said I like him) 

Lets see what happens and see if he plays through the middle now he is fit.

2 questions that was posed from my post 

1 - Can he score goals at this level ? I questioned that and clearly he can.

2 - Is he a main Striker through the middle - I said No and I still say the same. Is he closer today than when I posted the comment? clearly.

I stand by the comment at the time and he’s goal scoring record stands up to that comment at the time like it or not.

Can he play as a main Striker ? 
 

He’s only problem is Conway at the moment is looking like a ‘ Striker who can score goals and ‘play through the middle - And wow by the way who thought we would be saying that ( unless someone wants to disagree…)

Will my opinion change ? Sure it well as the players improve or go backwards.

Can I be wrong - Sure like everyone else game of opinions.

So back to the question can he play through the - Yes

The real question is will he (that’s the test - if managers believe if can he will)

My opinion is he will be the wide player not the player through the middle.

So have I changed my mind about the position- No

Have I changed my opinion about will he score goals - yes

so is he a Striker - still maybe 

Big Question ? It’s tough one.

Both fully fit who’s would you play through the middle - Conway (started less than 10 Championship games). Or Seymenyo ? 
 

Don’t say both….

I know who I will pick.


 

 

AS is not a natural No9 like Conway or Wells, he is a player who will power towards the opposition defence and cause havoc but will get his fair share of goals. He appears to have developed and been coached to do this role and I dare say his assist ratio may be more of an advantage than his goals scored. If he stays after this window and bangs in 10 goals before January and provides the same amount of assists then his value will be significantly more than it is currently and clubs will be clamouring for his services - I hope we can resist and push for a top 6 place but a lot depends on Wells, Weimann & Conway’s form/fitness 

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18 hours ago, Better Red said:

I think you are saying Seymeny

Simple question not loaded.

Front 3  - 

who would play down the middle Conway or Seymenyo ?

No right or wrong answer.

Its only an opinion. 

I have said Conway because all my comments above.

We don’t play a front 3 so it’s irrelevant?

We play 2 strikers, so Conway AND Semenyo is possible (though a bit harsh on Wells at the moment)

Why can’t you just accept you’re wrong? Semenyo is not better wide of a 3 as that’s where he was playing when you said he couldn’t score?

 

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2 hours ago, INCRED said:

AS is not a natural No9 like Conway or Wells, he is a player who will power towards the opposition defence and cause havoc but will get his fair share of goals. He appears to have developed and been coached to do this role and I dare say his assist ratio may be more of an advantage than his goals scored. If he stays after this window and bangs in 10 goals before January and provides the same amount of assists then his value will be significantly more than it is currently and clubs will be clamouring for his services - I hope we can resist and push for a top 6 place but a lot depends on Wells, Weimann & Conway’s form/fitness 

I think he is a natural no9 / striker.  Is he conventional, maybe not, but I do think he’s a natural.  But it’s just words, so feel free to ignore me ???

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4 hours ago, Better Red said:

Well done great contribution.

No knowledge - Yeah right

Yet here you are demonstrating a lack of any sort of basic understanding, reasoning and above anything a lack skill to engage and admit when your opinions are wrong.

Keep playing on semantics kid.

 

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On 29/08/2022 at 20:39, Davefevs said:

Sorry, what do you mean by that?  Are you meaning “goals to game” or something like that?

He is a Drogba type player, he won't get you 20 goals a season but his pace and power will get 10 - 15 but create about another 20 pulling players out of position

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48 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

He is a Drogba type player, he won't get you 20 goals a season but his pace and power will get 10 - 15 but create about another 20 pulling players out of position

Bit harsh on Drogba's goal record, he got 29 in 32 games one season in the prem!

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2 hours ago, Monkeh said:

He is a Drogba type player, he won't get you 20 goals a season but his pace and power will get 10 - 15 but create about another 20 pulling players out of position

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1 hour ago, DaveF said:

Bit harsh on Drogba's goal record, he got 29 in 32 games one season in the prem!

I do see Antoine a bit like Drogba (not aerially though).  A scorer of good goals, a bloody handful, etc.

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35 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

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I do see Antoine a bit like Drogba (not aerially though).  A scorer of good goals, a bloody handful, etc.

Reminds me of Akinbiyi in some respects.

Semenyo has more to his all round game, but the pace and strength are similar.

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Is the point being made that a natural 9 would be something like a Lineker, Fowler type player... more a poacher and alert in the box player. 

 

Antoine"s strengths seem to be running at or behind players. I think for me that he can do both. He has shown more recently that his finishing is pretty clinical, especially with the power with which he can strike the ball. That said, I think him picking up the ball deep and running at players or using his power/strength/pace to get onto through balls is exceptional.

Its good because he isn't necessarily pigeon holed to one particular role but can effectively adapt to different phases of the game. 

 

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On 07/02/2021 at 16:39, Ivorguy said:

Think it is impossible to pass judgement given the poor quality coaching and tactics

Would be interesting to see what a new manager would achieve with these players 

Some posts age better than others. This is a good one. NP appointed 22/2/21.

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7 minutes ago, Finley_Smith10 said:

It’s scary how good he is

When he came on he was pretty rusty, miscontrolled the ball twice but after that they were absolutely petrified of him, he has it all, quick, strong, strikes the ball hard with both feet.

If you give him space he runs at you, if you mark him tight, he’ll leave you for dead with his pace & he’s too strong if you try the physical game

Just a top player, who will score a load this season if he stays.

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2 hours ago, GrahamC said:

When he came on he was pretty rusty, miscontrolled the ball twice but after that they were absolutely petrified of him, he has it all, quick, strong, strikes the ball hard with both feet.

If you give him space he runs at you, if you mark him tight, he’ll leave you for dead with his pace & he’s too strong if you try the physical game

Just a top player, who will score a load this season if he stays.

I said in the Summer, if he stays, this will be his Ollie Watkins season. We either go up off the back of that or he joins a top half Prem team as a starter.

 

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2 hours ago, Rebounder said:

I was screaming in my head for him to do that and how wrong I was. 

I was the opposite, I was shouting “do him” (as in take on Tom Lees).  Lees through he was going on his left foot, where he has scored some good goals from…but advantage-Semenyo, he has a thunder-bastard capability in both feet.  He stroked that in with his right foot, wasn’t a blast, but was just too quick for Nicholls.

Absolute diamond.

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6 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I was the opposite, I was shouting “do him” (as in take on Tom Lees).  Lees through he was going on his left foot, where he has scored some good goals from…but advantage-Semenyo, he has a thunder-bastard capability in both feet.  He stroked that in with his right foot, wasn’t a blast, but was just too quick for Nicholls.

Absolute diamond.

First time I've seen him live as I've been away for some time, but I won't make the mistake of thinking he should pass again. 

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6 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I was the opposite, I was shouting “do him” (as in take on Tom Lees).  Lees through he was going on his left foot, where he has scored some good goals from…but advantage-Semenyo, he has a thunder-bastard capability in both feet.  He stroked that in with his right foot, wasn’t a blast, but was just too quick for Nicholls.

Absolute diamond.

That was the thing for me. Live (Dolman), I thought there was nothing wrong with Nicholl’s positioning - and as the photos show, there wasn’t.

Realistically, that’s the one place you don’t put that shot if you’re taking it on from there. I don’t think the keeper is unsighted (there is a player in front but not fully obstructing view) but if you watch the video his hands aren’t up until it’s past him, and it’s totally within “reachable” distance.

Insane Power.

 

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On 28/11/2020 at 15:14, Better Red said:

First thing is I am not saying his not worth his place in team at the moment.When I said on here that I just don’t think he will make it as a striker I got pelters. He has had a few good games and I got reminded of my post. But I still stand by my option he won’t make a championship  striker. I said he won’t get 10 goals a season and I stand by that call. Wide in a front 3 yes but he still has to score at least 6 a season. If he can’t then for me then we find someone who can. O’Dowda should have been let go for the same reason 2 seasons ago. So if he ain’t a striker then Wells has to play as one of the front 3. If we play with a 2 then for me it’s Martin. Goals win you games and we have to find the right mix of players that in a attacking 3 who get 10 games plus a season. If we don’t then we wont progress to the next level. So for me it’s simple he plays but if he ain’t scoring then we try someone else. For me it’s a bit like Massengo we all want the youngsters to be the answer and we have to give them time but eventually you have to make a honest judgment. Some times it does not work out. Bakinson is now way ahead of him and that was in just 12 months. Time will tale. I know I will get questioned for this post. I am sure I will be reminded of this post if he starts  to score goals. Hopefully I will. But honestly ask yourself is he a championship striker?

Yes. Yes, he is.

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10 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

Someone who wasn't a striker would have squared that ball, most of the crowd were screaming at him to do so, but he backed himself.

I think the thought he might have squared it did the keeper. I'm sure he slightly adjusted his positioning to cover this as Semenyo turned inside. This left a slightly bigger gap to hit which the keeper couldn't quite cover.

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Like Lees I was convinced he was going to go with his left.  Semenyo is an absolute nightmare for defenders.  You can’t show him either way because he’s got 2 great feet.  If you stand off he’ll just power past you.  We are now seeing that he’s just too good for this level, it’s going to be a nervy day today…. 

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8 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I was the opposite, I was shouting “do him” (as in take on Tom Lees).  Lees through he was going on his left foot, where he has scored some good goals from…but advantage-Semenyo, he has a thunder-bastard capability in both feet.  He stroked that in with his right foot, wasn’t a blast, but was just too quick for Nicholls.

Absolute diamond.

Pleased to see that u have your finger on the pulse of youth culture Dave .........with your Thunder Bastard reference...Ha! ?

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59 minutes ago, TinMan's left peg said:

Like Lees I was convinced he was going to go with his left.  Semenyo is an absolute nightmare for defenders.  You can’t show him either way because he’s got 2 great feet.  If you stand off he’ll just power past you.  We are now seeing that he’s just too good for this level, it’s going to be a nervy day today…. 

Plus, over a short distance he’s ridiculously quick.

Stand off him, he runs at you, go tight & he’ll do you for pace, try the physical stuff and it doesn’t work, he’s bloody strong.

Nightmare to play against, last season on a couple of occasions he robbed a defender of the ball due to his acceleration over short distances, as a consequence they dropped deep & so he ran at them.

By the end they are so intimidated they are reduced to hoofing it anywhere when he gets near.

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52 minutes ago, TinMan's left peg said:

Like Lees I was convinced he was going to go with his left.  Semenyo is an absolute nightmare for defenders.  You can’t show him either way because he’s got 2 great feet.  If you stand off he’ll just power past you.  We are now seeing that he’s just too good for this level, it’s going to be a nervy day today…. 

I am really not concerned, as I cannot see Antoine going anywhere at this late stage.  I would be more worried about the January window, if he continues to consistently impress?  City quite rightly want big money for him, and i believe Prem teams will be closely monitoring him over the next few months to make sure he is doing it week in, week out?  If he is....then the large bid's might well come in. 

Just gotta hope that we are in the top six, to encourage Antoine to stick around?

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8 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I was the opposite, I was shouting “do him” (as in take on Tom Lees).  Lees through he was going on his left foot, where he has scored some good goals from…but advantage-Semenyo, he has a thunder-bastard capability in both feet.  He stroked that in with his right foot, wasn’t a blast, but was just too quick for Nicholls.

Absolute diamond.

I was shouting the same.... Take him on, take him on?

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Just now, 2015 said:

Semenyo is a hybrid of Ade Akinbiyi and Leroy Lita. It is freightening to think what he could potentially go on to become if he continues to improve.

Akinbiyi is a great reference, I would agree, same speed and power but even younger so perhaps more potential. 

Tammy is still for me the best we’ve had in decades, finesse and range of finishing but Semenyo is quite something, such an exciting player. 

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2 minutes ago, One Team said:

Akinbiyi is a great reference, I would agree, same speed and power but even younger so perhaps more potential. 

Tammy is still for me the best we’ve had in decades, finesse and range of finishing but Semenyo is quite something, such an exciting player. 

Tammy was a brilliant hold up player, finisher in and around the box but I rarely recall him picking the ball up from deep, running at defenders and powering shots passed goalkeepers. Different type of striker I suppose but he was brilliant at what he did and still does.
Semenyo is of the same type as an Akinbiyi and Lita - Pace, power, dribbling. At this level it's devastating.

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10 minutes ago, One Team said:

Tinnion’s reaction is great on that video!

Watching it live real time from the singing section was just incredible. The movement, pace and sheer power was just unbelievable. You really don’t see many goals like that at this level. 

Said , after watching him for U23s in his return from Newport , he hits the ball with power you rarely see 

At that time he was trying (IMHO) the ball too hard and his shots were flying , a bit wild , generally high , but like rockets

Said at the time that he hits a ball so naturally , that he needed to not try and hit it too hard , but concentrate in hitting the target , ideally picking his spot / area , and his natural power  would bring him goals

It looks to me , that’s what he’s done , he certainly hits the target far more often than he did when he was still raw 


Thunder feet

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8 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I was the opposite, I was shouting “do him” (as in take on Tom Lees).  Lees through he was going on his left foot, where he has scored some good goals from…but advantage-Semenyo, he has a thunder-bastard capability in both feet.  He stroked that in with his right foot, wasn’t a blast, but was just too quick for Nicholls.

Absolute diamond.

Not sure about that bit Dave, he put his foot through it to the extent he threw himself off his feet. :) 

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1 hour ago, TinMan's left peg said:

Like Lees I was convinced he was going to go with his left.  Semenyo is an absolute nightmare for defenders.  You can’t show him either way because he’s got 2 great feet.  If you stand off he’ll just power past you.  We are now seeing that he’s just too good for this level, it’s going to be a nervy day today…. 

Nige has said that he’s not expecting any bids as he’s not aware of any serious interest in AS or any of our starlets so far and that it would unusual for the summer window for late bids with no time for recruiting  any other players.

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3 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

That was the thing for me. Live (Dolman), I thought there was nothing wrong with Nicholl’s positioning - and as the photos show, there wasn’t.

Realistically, that’s the one place you don’t put that shot if you’re taking it on from there. I don’t think the keeper is unsighted (there is a player in front but not fully obstructing view) but if you watch the video his hands aren’t up until it’s past him, and it’s totally within “reachable” distance.

Insane Power.

 

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51 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

 

Not sure about that bit Dave, he put his foot through it to the extent he threw himself off his feet. :) 

If you watch it again, it’s actually a side foot!

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I was thinking yesterday about being like Akinbiyi but on reflection I think he’s going to be a far better player.

Just every time I see him he goes up I’m my estimation and when I first saw him I thought very highly of him.

Thought he should have had the match ball yesterday, played 80 minutes this season and has scored 3 goals

 

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10 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Plus, over a short distance he’s ridiculously quick.

Stand off him, he runs at you, go tight & he’ll do you for pace, try the physical stuff and it doesn’t work, he’s bloody strong.

Nightmare to play against, last season on a couple of occasions he robbed a defender of the ball due to his acceleration over short distances, as a consequence they dropped deep & so he ran at them.

By the end they are so intimidated they are reduced to hoofing it anywhere when he gets near.

Yep.

Not identical but similar to the Vardy effect when Leicester won the league.  defenders were terrified of him. His presence caused panic before he even did anything.

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11 hours ago, Robbored said:

When AS got the ball wide left I, and everyone near me were yelling ‘go for it’ and ‘take him on’ and what a strike!  

You could feel a lift of excitement that spread through the stadium when he picked up the ball. Whenever he has it near the box and a slither of space the ball really could end up in the goal at any given point. Thrilling player 

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7 minutes ago, Bouncearoundtheground said:

You could feel a lift of excitement that spread through the stadium when he picked up the ball. Whenever he has it near the box and a slither of space the ball really could end up in the goal at any given point. Thrilling player 

Absolutely. It’s brilliant to have a player who can score goals like that and strike fear into defences. 

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8 hours ago, harrys said:

AS got previous with that type of the goal, the two he got at Fulham were special 

That first 30 minutes at Fulham was the best atmosphere/feeling at an away day in many a year. Semenyo"s goals were absolutely electric and unstoppable. Fulham didn't know what hit them.............well, for 30 minutes anyway!

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