Semenyo is not a striker they score goals

[Better Red]

55 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I think the poster is laying out the side left to right as opposed to the usual traditional format of RB CB CB LB as laid out.

Scott right, Semenyo left I'd say.

Irrespective of the layout I don't see that side being a success!

I was trying to do exactly that.

Trying to get the ‘best 11’ on the pitch we have in positions they should be comfortable in. 
 

Also if don’t play well someone to come in and do a job pretty much in same position.

352 does not work for us. We don’t have 2 wingbacks and we look light in midfield most games.

Seymenyo and Scott have the energy to get forward and can also track back.

It looked a fair team to me.

it does show where we are light when you look at replacements

Centre back and Centre are both areas where 1 or 2 injuries and we are big trouble.

[Better Red]

5 hours ago, MarcusX said:

4-4-2, easy as that. Why hasn’t Nige thought of it 

Maybe if he did we be in a better place.

Also injuries at CB means he feels he has needed extra cover in there.

Now he has a fit squad when Kalas and Naismith back he may have that option

[Mr Popodopolous]

16 minutes ago, Better Red said:

I was trying to do exactly that.

Trying to get the ‘best 11’ on the pitch we have in positions they should be comfortable in. 
 

Also if don’t play well someone to come in and do a job pretty much in same position.

352 does not work for us. We don’t have 2 wingbacks and we look light in midfield most games.

Seymenyo and Scott have the energy to get forward and can also track back.

It looked a fair team to me.

it does show where we are light when you look at replacements

Centre back and Centre are both areas where 1 or 2 injuries and we are big trouble.

Tanner RB over Vyner? Scott wide right feels like a waste too- although I suppose an advantage is that Weimann wideish right of a front 3, Semenyo wideish left of a front 3 and Wells central.

Do we drop Naismith even though he gave us some thrust from the back 3. Pring perhaps deserves his chance.

Scott can tuck into a 3 out if possession I suppose, but if not we are numerically disadvantaged and outmanouvered in central areas.

It has some potential, I just see flaws that opposition can exploit and it's not quite for me.

[Better Red]

3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Tanner RB over Vyner? Scott wide right feels like a waste too- although I suppose an advantage is that Weimann wideish right of a front 3, Semenyo wideish left of a front 3 and Wells central.

Do we drop Naismith even though he gave us some thrust from the back 3. Pring perhaps deserves his chance.

Scott can tuck into a 3 out if possession I suppose, but if not we are numerically disadvantaged and outmanouvered in central areas.

It has some potential, I just see flaws that opposition can exploit and it's not quite for me.

Far enough and yes agree you would look to turn the ball over when we attack likely with 1 or 2 a little to far forward.

Put Vyner in as I think he deserves the shirt at the moment but not against Tanner coming in.

Scott would be involved to move in and act as a floating 10 as long as he tucks  back in when we don’t have the ball. He works hard so don’t see that being a problem.

Both Scott and Seymenyo can break the lines something no of midfielders ever do. We far to static in the middle.

 

[Bryans Left Peg]

6 hours ago, Better Red said:

That is slightly better.

Try to just reflect and comment on the subject rather than Kai throwing out insults.

But still it’s an improvement 

 if you look at your comments are still only 20% ‘opinion’ so a long way to do.

Again thanks for feedback and the improved contribution and comment.

As for scoring goals it’s zero in eight…. 

Who died and made you King of OTIB?

It’s a forum.

[RedHienz]

56 minutes ago, Better Red said:

Again better.

’But’ if he was scoring goals the thread and your opinions would not be being raised.

I am only quoting the ‘facts’ 

I love you say they suit me agenda. That’s kind of it works…

Goal post never changed - Just read the title of the thread.

Again better but still some work to do.

Aww, you are trying really hard aren't you!

When you say something it doesn't make it fact, it's an opinion - whole point of this forum is to share opinions, of which in this case you are wrong.

Tell you what I bet you £100 that AS gets 10 goals this season and 5 assists. Winner takes all what do you say? 

This thread was made to deride a young player. When said player proved you wrong - facts being he was scoring - you shut up. Now the better red / Dog /Lez show is back because the timing suits you, makes you look like an arse.

Help me on this on, using your logic and posts in this ridiculous self opinionated attention seeking thread-  if I swapped AS with Ronaldo who has 1 goal this season by your reasoning Ronaldo is not not a striker because facts. Correct?

I'll not even mention you team selection or tactical masterpiece you shared earlier - hilarious as it was. 

 

 

[Better Red]

On 23/10/2022 at 15:52, RedHienz said:

Aww, you are trying really hard aren't you!

When you say something it doesn't make it fact, it's an opinion - whole point of this forum is to share opinions, of which in this case you are wrong.

Tell you what I bet you £100 that AS gets 10 goals this season and 5 assists. Winner takes all what do you say? 

This thread was made to deride a young player. When said player proved you wrong - facts being he was scoring - you shut up. Now the better red / Dog /Lez show is back because the timing suits you, makes you look like an arse.

Help me on this on, using your logic and posts in this ridiculous self opinionated attention seeking thread-  if I swapped AS with Ronaldo who has 1 goal this season by your reasoning Ronaldo is not not a striker because facts. Correct?

I'll not even mention you team selection or tactical masterpiece you shared earlier - hilarious as it was. 

 

 

 

Only trying to forge a conversation (that’s the whole point of OTIB).

Not really proved wrong - read my original post. I have not changed my opinion.

Its still relevant as he ain’t scoring.

As I said if he gets 10 in a season I will change the thread.

Again thanks for feedback but it’s still a long way away from a contribution but keep going.

As for ridiculous - Thanks again for the feed back.

Playing 442 - Yeah it’s like so ridiculous where did I get that from.

Playing Bentley in goal, Naismith in midfield, Wells & Wienmann up front, Vyner RB, Seymenyo wide in midfield who can also join upfront, Pring at leftback, Kalas at CB….

Shall I go on - like you say ridiculous….

And and one more Seymenyo is better wise rather than a striker because I don’t think he will score 10 a season.

All way of the mark…

Ridiculous - me.

Just have a little think before you post.

PS

C7 look at his record - Striker Yes

Seymenyo look at his record - Striker No (not yet)

Hope that helps.

Again thanks for feedback.

[Better Red]

On 23/10/2022 at 15:26, Bryans Left Peg said:

Who died and made you King of OTIB?

It’s a forum.

No one 

And YES it is.

And as such opinions should be respected rather than people making it personal.

Read the threads - I think you are aiming the post at the wrong person.

[RedHienz]

2 hours ago, Better Red said:

Only trying to forge a conversation (that’s the whole point of OTIB).

Not really proved wrong - read my original post. I have not changed my opinion.

Its still relevant as he ain’t scoring.

As I said if he gets 10 in a season I will change the thread.

Again thanks for feedback but it’s still a long way away from a contribution but keep going.

As for ridiculous - Thanks again for the feed back.

Playing 442 - Yeah it’s like so ridiculous where did I get that from.

Playing Bentley in goal, Naismith in midfield, Wells & Wienmann up front, Vyner RB, Seymenyo wide in midfield who can also join upfront, Pring at leftback, Kalas at CB….

Shall I go on - like you say ridiculous….

And and one more Seymenyo is better wise rather than a striker because I don’t think he will score 10 a season.

All way of the mark…

Ridiculous - me.

Just have a little think before you post.

PS

C7 look at his record - Striker Yes

Seymenyo look at his record - Striker No (not yet)

Hope that helps.

Again thanks for feedback.

You didn't answer any of my questions so will leave it at this.

If you think that team in 442 is the ideal we will never be able to agree.

As for AS when he gets back on the goal trail I'm sure you will congratulate him.

 

 

[The Humble Realist]

Not bad to get 9 million for a striker who doesnt score any goals

[Northern Red]

Belter Red.

[Chivs]

On 25/01/2021 at 21:41, Chivs said:

Obviously a lot of people have made up their minds on Semenyo.   As have I.

We will get our record transfer fee for Semenyo.

Well, got that wrong.

Feel like a complete plonker now.

[Atticus]

Edit

Edited January 27, 2023 by Atticus

[Better Red]

I did wonder when this would be revisited.

And he ‘Never’ did score 10 goals in a season so I guess as painful as it is I was ‘right’…..

I did say I would change the post  once he gets 10 goals in a season.

I am sad to see him go.

We will miss him? Yes He is the only player who takes us up the pitch a bit like Albert used to do. 

Runs at players and creates space and opportunities. Had power and pace.

We def need a player who can do that. Harry Cornick is a good player and happy to see him join but he is not that player and we do need one.

£10m is great business for the club. 

Will he be a success in the Premier league and score goals don’t think so - I am sure I will get reminded of that but still it’s about opinions.

Good player for us ? No….            a great player for us on his day and as I think has been said not many players get you of your feet.

He’s a player who can do it at the highest level ? Not for me as a striker. 

As wide in a front three (read my first post) yes maybe but premier is a massive step up.

Was he better than I first saw? - Yes massively improved

Has he scored more goals than I thought he would - Yes

Did he get 10 - No

Would he have done it this season - Maybe yes and I think I might have had to change the post like I said I would.

Seymenyo ‘maybe’ he is a Striker they score goals.

Genuinely gutted he’s left but it’s good for him and the club.

I will be watching him and hoping he proves me wrong (maybe we got a add on for more that 10 goals a season)

 

 

[Red Army 79]

I can remember posts a few years ago saying that Semenyo was chasing shadows etc and won’t make it at this level. Can’t believe we turned down 2m from Chelsea for him blah blah blah. 

He really has turned it round to the extend that some fans were disappointed with the fee we are getting. 
I think it’s a fair fee. His goals ratio is still poor, he is still raw but has bags of potential. He will be missed but we can survive without him. He has been in and out of the team this season. Before the turn of the year Conway and Wells was our preferred partnership. 

[Betty Swallocks]

2 hours ago, Better Red said:

I did wonder when this would be revisited.

And he ‘Never’ did score 10 goals in a season so I guess as painful as it is I was ‘right’…..

I did say I would change the post  once he gets 10 goals in a season.

I am sad to see him go.

We will miss him? Yes He is the only player who takes us up the pitch a bit like Albert used to do. 

Runs at players and creates space and opportunities. Had power and pace.

We def need a player who can do that. Harry Cornick is a good player and happy to see him join but he is not that player and we do need one.

£10m is great business for the club. 

Will he be a success in the Premier league and score goals don’t think so - I am sure I will get reminded of that but still it’s about opinions.

Good player for us ? No….            a great player for us on his day and as I think has been said not many players get you of your feet.

He’s a player who can do it at the highest level ? Not for me as a striker. 

As wide in a front three (read my first post) yes maybe but premier is a massive step up.

Was he better than I first saw? - Yes massively improved

Has he scored more goals than I thought he would - Yes

Did he get 10 - No

Would he have done it this season - Maybe yes and I think I might have had to change the post like I said I would.

Seymenyo ‘maybe’ he is a Striker they score goals.

Genuinely gutted he’s left but it’s good for him and the club.

I will be watching him and hoping he proves me wrong (maybe we got a add on for more that 10 goals a season)

 

 

Worst back peddling since Richard O’Donnell got caught out watching fireworks. 

[The Nest Egg]

2 hours ago, Better Red said:

I did wonder when this would be revisited.

And he ‘Never’ did score 10 goals in a season so I guess as painful as it is I was ‘right’…..

I did say I would change the post  once he gets 10 goals in a season.

I am sad to see him go.

We will miss him? Yes He is the only player who takes us up the pitch a bit like Albert used to do. 

Runs at players and creates space and opportunities. Had power and pace.

We def need a player who can do that. Harry Cornick is a good player and happy to see him join but he is not that player and we do need one.

£10m is great business for the club. 

Will he be a success in the Premier league and score goals don’t think so - I am sure I will get reminded of that but still it’s about opinions.

Good player for us ? No….            a great player for us on his day and as I think has been said not many players get you of your feet.

He’s a player who can do it at the highest level ? Not for me as a striker. 

As wide in a front three (read my first post) yes maybe but premier is a massive step up.

Was he better than I first saw? - Yes massively improved

Has he scored more goals than I thought he would - Yes

Did he get 10 - No

Would he have done it this season - Maybe yes and I think I might have had to change the post like I said I would.

Seymenyo ‘maybe’ he is a Striker they score goals.

Genuinely gutted he’s left but it’s good for him and the club.

I will be watching him and hoping he proves me wrong (maybe we got a add on for more that 10 goals a season)

 

 

Fair enough mate. Anyone who claims they haven't made a rash decision (or forum topic) about a player are lying. Glad you've given your updated reflections which I would say are a fair evaluation of Antoine. I do think that he'll become an established top flight footballer although perhaps not at the first time of asking given Bournemouth are looking pretty certain for relegation.

[RedHienz]

6 hours ago, Better Red said:

I did wonder when this would be revisited.

And he ‘Never’ did score 10 goals in a season so I guess as painful as it is I was ‘right’…..

I did say I would change the post  once he gets 10 goals in a season.

I am sad to see him go.

We will miss him? Yes He is the only player who takes us up the pitch a bit like Albert used to do. 

Runs at players and creates space and opportunities. Had power and pace.

We def need a player who can do that. Harry Cornick is a good player and happy to see him join but he is not that player and we do need one.

£10m is great business for the club. 

Will he be a success in the Premier league and score goals don’t think so - I am sure I will get reminded of that but still it’s about opinions.

Good player for us ? No….            a great player for us on his day and as I think has been said not many players get you of your feet.

He’s a player who can do it at the highest level ? Not for me as a striker. 

As wide in a front three (read my first post) yes maybe but premier is a massive step up.

Was he better than I first saw? - Yes massively improved

Has he scored more goals than I thought he would - Yes

Did he get 10 - No

Would he have done it this season - Maybe yes and I think I might have had to change the post like I said I would.

Seymenyo ‘maybe’ he is a Striker they score goals.

Genuinely gutted he’s left but it’s good for him and the club.

I will be watching him and hoping he proves me wrong (maybe we got a add on for more that 10 goals a season)

 

 

I offered you a bet on this and you ignored it. Literally 10 goals and you bottled.

Still an attention seeking ****.

10 million we got for him. As a striker. 

 

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

6 hours ago, RedHienz said:

 

10 million we got for him. As a striker. 

 

Yesterday it was £9 million

Fair play to all at BCFC because those add- ons are coming in really quickly

[Garland-sweden]

We will miss a dimension in our play. Think Semenyo is a very Good player, he can make things alone. Sure we will miss him, but think we will do ok.

[Better Red]

6 hours ago, RedHienz said:

I offered you a bet on this and you ignored it. Literally 10 goals and you bottled.

Still an attention seeking ****.

10 million we got for him. As a striker. 

 

You were lucky I did not take the bet.

For the record ‘6’ league goals this season…  

They do say a fool and his money are easily parted….

Thanks for the feedback as always.

[MarcusX]

Just now, Better Red said:

You were lucky I did not take the bet.

For the record ‘6’ league goals this season…  

They do say a fool and his money are easily parted….

Thanks for the feedback as always.

Seasons only half way mind?

[Red-Robbo]

48 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Yesterday it was £9 million

Fair play to all at BCFC because those add- ons are coming in really quickly

 

First million was when he pulled on a Bournemouth shirt. We get another 500K when he puts boots on. 

[sh1t_ref_again]

The only good thing about Semenyo going is an end to this pathetic thread

[Better Red]

1 hour ago, MarcusX said:

Seasons only half way mind?

28 games played 

But take the point.

6 in 28 = 10 just about for the season.

Granted not been fit but he is never fit for a season always misses chunks of games.

9m for a 10 a  season goal Striker looks a bit to much 

9m for a 10 a season Winger looks a much better and he does get assists.

I hope Conway is that 15/20 a season ‘Striker’ we need.

 

 

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

58 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

First million was when he pulled on a Bournemouth shirt. We get another 500K when he puts boots on. 

Just imagine what we get if he scores a goal? 

We could probably then afford to buy him back.

[TonyTonyTony]

12 minutes ago, Better Red said:

28 games played 

But take the point.

6 in 28 = 10 just about for the season.

Granted not been fit but he is never fit for a season always misses chunks of games.

9m for a 10 a  season goal Striker looks a bit to much 

9m for a 10 a season Winger looks a much better and he does get assists.

I hope Conway is that 15/20 a season ‘Striker’ we need.

 

 

Probably better to just crawl away and keep quiet at this point. 

[Better Red]

3 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Probably better to just crawl away and keep quiet at this point. 

Why ?

6 goals so far does not say prolific to me.

Its just my opinion.

Its not my fault thats what the stats say that’s down to Antoine and his ability to find the back of the net.

Great winger (or wide forward) if you prefer.

Main Striker through the middle - No. Why? Simply he’s finishing is not good enough. Why? He ain’t a natural finisher.

Watch Wells, Conway, Bell and Martin they all that ability not to panic and pick there finish.

In (my opinion) Antoine has not got that.

That’s why I would play him wide and he is very good there.

Opinions  - that just mine.

Will he score regularly in the Premiership? I say no he is not at the level in front of goal.

Only he can prove if that is right or wrong by scoring goals.

Not me, not you it’s down to Antoine.

 

 

[TonyTonyTony]

26 minutes ago, Better Red said:

Why ?

6 goals so far does not say prolific to me.

You seem far too eager to be correct, than to back the lad. You have expressed your opinion over and over. We get it. Most disagree however.

Looking forward to him getting 10 goals followed by more flapping from your good self.

[joe jordans teeth]

6 hours ago, Garland-sweden said:

We will miss a dimension in our play. Think Semenyo is a very Good player, he can make things alone. Sure we will miss him, but think we will do ok.

His power and directness when he managed to control the ball we will miss without doubt but the reason goal scorers are snapped for alot more money is purely because of the goals,semenyo is much of a likeness for most premiership teams but without the end product hence 9 million is a good deal for us

[Garland-sweden]

1 minute ago, joe jordans teeth said:

His power and directness when he managed to control the ball we will miss without doubt but the reason goal scorers are snapped for alot more money is purely because of the goals,semenyo is much of a likeness for most premiership teams but without the end product hence 9 million is a good deal for us

Yes, think he Will have the endproduct soon. Its all about training and confidence.

[joe jordans teeth]

1 minute ago, Garland-sweden said:

Yes, think he Will have the endproduct soon. Its all about training and confidence.

Maybe but can’t see it

[Garland-sweden]

2 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Maybe but can’t see it

He has developed since Newport, think it was, think he will be better and better. 

[Phileas Fogg]

1 hour ago, Better Red said:

Why ?

6 goals so far does not say prolific to me.

Its just my opinion.

Its not my fault thats what the stats say that’s down to Antoine and his ability to find the back of the net.

Great winger (or wide forward) if you prefer.

Main Striker through the middle - No. Why? Simply he’s finishing is not good enough. Why? He ain’t a natural finisher.

Watch Wells, Conway, Bell and Martin they all that ability not to panic and pick there finish.

In (my opinion) Antoine has not got that.

That’s why I would play him wide and he is very good there.

Opinions  - that just mine.

Will he score regularly in the Premiership? I say no he is not at the level in front of goal.

Only he can prove if that is right or wrong by scoring goals.

Not me, not you it’s down to Antoine.

 

 

He's only played a full 90 minutes 6 times this season in the league and he was coming back from injury at the start of the season. He had just had his longest run of consecutive 90 mins (4 games) and had scored 3 times.

Had he stayed, he'd have breezed to 10. Probably finished somewhere on 12/15 assuming he stays fit. 

It's really not that hard to just admit you went OTT and were wrong. I thought Vyner would never be good enough for us and wanted him sold, now he looks very solid. I was wrong about that. It's just a football forum, doesn't matter that much.

[Better Red]

2 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

He's only played a full 90 minutes 6 times this season in the league and he was coming back from injury at the start of the season. He had just had his longest run of consecutive 90 mins (4 games) and had scored 3 times.

Had he stayed, he'd have breezed to 10. Probably finished somewhere on 12/15 assuming he stays fit. 

It's really not that hard to just admit you went OTT and were wrong. I thought Vyner would never be good enough for us and wanted him sold, now he looks very solid. I was wrong about that. It's just a football forum, doesn't matter that much.

Still the facts say 6 goals and it’s almost Feb.

Again not my fault they are the stats.

A ‘Striker’ will judged on his goals and he only has 6.

Again not saying he ain’t good.

He is someone who will only make it playing wide in a front three said that from day one.

Why wide? Because he ain’t a Striker he is not good enough in front of goal and is not natural finisher. 

  
Let’s see how many he scores for Bournemouth. 
 

Next season he will be back in the championship so he will get another crack at 10 or more in this division. I make that will be his third attempt.

6 so far let’s see if he gets to 10 

If/when he does have said will change the post title.

[Malago]

 

There’s one born every day.

[harvey54]

Waiting for Chelsea to come calling.........

[GrahamC]

Goals this season against Liverpool, Villa, Newcastle, Burnley (home & away) & a double tonight against Luton.

One thing that’s for certain is he won’t be “back in the Championship” next season.

I actually think we miss him more than Scott, best of luck to the lad.

[Malago]

5 minutes ago, harvey54 said:

Waiting for Chelsea to come calling.........

I think Postecoglou would take Antione’s game to the next level.

[sh1t_ref_again]

Should have been a hat trick if Unal returns the pass to him after AS robbed the ball. Described as best players on the pitch in the second half.

[The Bard]

17 minutes ago, Malago said:

 

There’s one born every day.

Great digging there.

[The Bard]

7 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Goals this season against Liverpool, Villa, Newcastle, Burnley (home & away) & a double tonight against Luton.

One thing that’s for certain is he won’t be “back in the Championship” next season.

I actually think we miss him more than Scott, best of luck to the lad.

100%.

He properly scared defenders. Especially when he had Martin backing into one CB and Weimann running off the pair of them. 

[harvey54]

21 minutes ago, Malago said:

I think Postecoglou would take Antione’s game to the next level.

Definitely 

[bredwood]

He’s gone up another level since coming back from AFCON and is now guaranteed a start if fit. Wish he was still in our team.

[Lew-T]

Explosive. Destructive. Exciting.

Man I miss watching him.

[GrahamC]

1 hour ago, The Bard said:

100%.

He properly scared defenders. Especially when he had Martin backing into one CB and Weimann running off the pair of them. 

What do you not want to play against as a defender?

A bloke who is quick or a bloke who is strong.

Bad luck- Antoine is both, plus he shoots equally well with either foot, so no good trying to show him on to a weaker side.

Nightmare to play against, as he’ll do you for strength or pace.

Edited March 13 by GrahamC

[Tony Tootle]

23 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

What do you not want to play against as a defender?

A bloke who is quick or a bloke who is strong.

Bad luck- Antoine is both, plus he shoots equally well with either foot, so no good trying to show him on to a weaker side.

Nightmare to play against, as he’ll do you for strength or pace.

Got an extremely powerful shot on him as well so as long as he hits the target there’s a high chance the keeper isn’t stopping it anyway.

[Wade Wilson]

2 hours ago, Malago said:

 

There’s one born every day.

You resurrecting this thread like 

 

 

 

 

 

[REDOXO]

Came on at ht for Scott. Having a stormer! 

[Northern Red]

New 5 year contract:

https://www.afcb.co.uk/news/2024/july/08/semenyo-signs-news-contract/

[Mr Popodopolous]

Still beats me as to how Bournemouth are just fine with FFP.

New 5 year deal for Semenyo at Bournemouth, protects his asset value but at the same time reduces the pressure to sell from a time perspective.

[Davefevs]

4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Still beats me as to how Bournemouth are just fine with FFP.

New 5 year deal for Semenyo at Bournemouth, protects his asset value but at the same time reduces the pressure to sell from a time perspective.

Why do you think that?

They seem to be operate profit one year, loss the next for the last 4 years?  Plus their allowances?

[Mr Popodopolous]

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Why do you think that?

They seem to be operate profit one year, loss the next for the last 4 years?  Plus their allowances?

Maybe I'm overly sceptical on them.

The £70m in write off or so post takeover shouldn't count towards FFP.

That aside I wish Semenyo well and hope we get a nice sell-on some day..but Webster, Kelly, Brownhill we all had hopes on as well.

[Davefevs]

8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

The £70m in write off or so post takeover shouldn't count towards FFP.

Ta. That looks a bit suss, but add that back on, take off the usual allowances and the Covid ones, they might not be too bad.

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Ta. That looks a bit suss, but add that back on, take off the usual allowances and the Covid ones, they might not be too bad.

Maybe they're okay then yeah and if so they should be more than okay to this year where from memory £55m became-£27m as Year 1 and £83m became £105m as Upper Loss limit.