Bristol City v Millwall Match Day 19

[Robin Wood]

Does anyone honestly expect Tuesday to be anything other than a truly awful game decided by 1 goal either way

[Numero Uno]

Just now, Robin Wood said:

Does anyone honestly expect Tuesday to be anything other than a truly awful game decided by 1 goal either way

Well last week you expected us to get battered by Blackburn so using that as a yardstick there’ll be 5 goals in it.

[Sheltons Army]

You could have added that comment to your other whingeing thread

[Robbored]

3 minutes ago, Robin Wood said:

Does anyone honestly expect Tuesday to be anything other than a truly awful game decided by 1 goal either way

Millwall play a similar style to Rotherham but with long diagonal balls rather than punts up the pitch. Deano already knows that as he mentioned in his post match interview.

Question is that with very little time between today and Tuesday will he and his assistants be able work with the squad enough to get the message across p?

[054123]

I honestly thought we would win today.

Not sure about Tuesday

[Bobbie]

I expect it to be a competitive, tight game like every match in this league will be. We’re not going to steamroller teams, we’re all at a similar level. I enjoy supporting my team regardless 

[RUSSEL85]

1 hour ago, Robin Wood said:

Does anyone honestly expect Tuesday to be anything other than a truly awful game decided by 1 goal either way

Well, to be fair,  there was a 2 goal difference in today’s game.

[Northern Red]

1 hour ago, Sheltons Army said:

You could have added that comment to your other whingeing thread

Yes, but think of the ATTENTION

[Top Robin]

5 minutes ago, Bobbie said:

I expect it to be a competitive, tight game like every match in this league will be. We’re not going to steamroller teams, we’re all at a similar level. I enjoy supporting my team regardless 

Today was not competitive or tight....we were completely out thought and outclassed by Rotherham! 

[054123]

11 minutes ago, Bobbie said:

I expect it to be a competitive, tight game like every match in this league will be. We’re not going to steamroller teams, we’re all at a similar level. I enjoy supporting my team regardless 

It’s a bit like when people say ‘anybody can beat anybody in this league’. 

The truth is a bunch of teams will win way more than they lose, a couple will win most. A bunch of teams will lose more and a couple will lose most.

This line about it being close is trotted out and I don’t know why.

Every where year a group of teams have a lot more points than the rest. 

[BCFCGav]

The team clearly needs rotating (deservedly so, the schedule is busy and the squad is thin). But who on earth can come in? Trying to maximise rotation, how about (5-3-2):

Bentley - Edwards, Moore, Mariappa, Kalas, Rowe - Massengo, Nagy, Brunt - Fam, Wells.

I don’t love it but it’s the best I can think of. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

4 minutes ago, 054123 said:

It’s a bit like when people say ‘anybody can beat anybody in this league’. 

The truth is a bunch of teams will win way more than they lose, a couple will win most. A bunch of teams will lose more and a couple will lose most.

This line about it being close is trotted out and I don’t know why.

Every where year a group of teams have a lot more points than the rest. 

The gap between teams is there, but individual games perhaps not so much.

Fact Rotherham before today, had home GD - 1 despite home games vs Bournemouth, Brentford and Rotherham suggests there is some truth in it.

Unsure how many hammerings there are typically. Especially this season.

Edited December 12, 2020 by Mr Popodopolous

[BigTone]

22 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

Today was not competitive or tight....we were completely out thought and outclassed by Rotherham! 

All credit to Rotherham then.

[City1970]

1 hour ago, Robin Wood said:

Does anyone honestly expect Tuesday to be anything other than a truly awful game decided by 1 goal either way

If the players are as disappointed as the supporters with today's performance then I would expect a disire to win from the players on Tuesday. 

[GrahamC]

8 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:

The team clearly needs rotating (deservedly so, the schedule is busy and the squad is thin). But who on earth can come in? Trying to maximise rotation, how about (5-3-2):

Bentley - Edwards, Moore, Mariappa, Kalas, Rowe - Massengo, Nagy, Brunt - Fam, Wells.

I don’t love it but it’s the best I can think of. 

Hunt for Edwards aside, that it also what I would start with.

Semenyo looked totally knackered today, he has just started about 8 straight games. So did O’Dowda, who also badly needs a rest. I think Martin has been poor for 3 games running & he needs to have a break. Vyner has been one of our best players but struggled today & it would do him no harm to start a game on the line.

That midfield doesn’t look great & in an ideal world Nagy could also take a rest, but we have no one else fit & the other 2 have barely featured so don’t have the excuse of fatigue that others do.

[Lrrr]

14 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:

The team clearly needs rotating (deservedly so, the schedule is busy and the squad is thin). But who on earth can come in? Trying to maximise rotation, how about (5-3-2):

Bentley - Edwards, Moore, Mariappa, Kalas, Rowe - Massengo, Nagy, Brunt - Fam, Wells.

I don’t love it but it’s the best I can think of. 

Think I'd rather see Zac Smith than Brunt in fairness

[Red Shadow]

24 minutes ago, 054123 said:

It’s a bit like when people say ‘anybody can beat anybody in this league’. 

The truth is a bunch of teams will win way more than they lose, a couple will win most. A bunch of teams will lose more and a couple will lose most.

This line about it being close is trotted out and I don’t know why.

Every where year a group of teams have a lot more points than the rest. 

The saying 'anybody can beat anybody' is true though - sometimes the team at the bottom can beat the team at the top.

[Bobbie]

21 minutes ago, 054123 said:

It’s a bit like when people say ‘anybody can beat anybody in this league’. 

The truth is a bunch of teams will win way more than they lose, a couple will win most. A bunch of teams will lose more and a couple will lose most.

This line about it being close is trotted out and I don’t know why.

Every where year a group of teams have a lot more points than the rest. 

So you disagree that it’s a very competitive league? Three of the bottom four are Sheff Wed, Derby and Notts Forest. Three bigger clubs than us, with similar/bigger wage bills, that we don’t have a given right to finish above. We are a similar level to most teams in this league so every game is going to be tight and we’re not going to be able to play brilliant football all the time and outplay teams 

[BigTone]

2 minutes ago, Red Shadow said:

The saying 'anybody can beat anybody' is true though - sometimes the team at the bottom can beat the team at the top.

Very true. Did we not do the double against Huddersfield in their promotion year. 4 nil at AG I recall.

[Mr Popodopolous]

9 minutes ago, BigTone said:

Very true. Did we not do the double against Huddersfield in their promotion year. 4 nil at AG I recall.

Did the double the year before, but 4-0 on a Friday night in their promotion year yeah. In fact both seasons saw 4-0 to us at AG. 

[BigTone]

19 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Did the double the year before, but 4-0 on a Friday night in their promotion year yeah. In fact both seasons saw 4-0 to us at AG. 

So it can be done

[A Horse With No Name]

55 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

Think I'd rather see Zac Smith than Brunt in fairness

I'd rather see Zac Effron than bloody Brunt.

[phantom]

2 hours ago, Bobbie said:

I expect it to be a competitive, tight game like every match in this league will be. We’re not going to steamroller teams, we’re all at a similar level. I enjoy supporting my team regardless 

You didn't see today's results then? 

[TheCulturalBomb]

We're on a streak of LWLWL so going for a W.

[Bobbie]

9 minutes ago, phantom said:

You didn't see today's results then? 

I was talking about our games. A squad like Bournemouth, when on form, can clearly dominate teams in this league. We don’t have that quality, we have to fight for every point. 

[Garland-sweden]

Think we will surprise everybody and win 3-0.

[054123]

9 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

The gap between teams is there, but individual games perhaps not so much.

Fact Rotherham before today, had home GD - 1 despite home games vs Bournemouth, Brentford and Rotherham suggests there is some truth in it.

Unsure how many hammerings there are typically. Especially this season.

I understand about ‘hammerings’ but ultimately teams are rubbish and consistently don’t pick up many points. Other teams are consistently good and pick up a lot of points.

If we were genuinely a good team we would of have been in the playoffs during the last 4 seasons.

I just don’t really see the ‘anyone can beat anyone’ argument. Theoretically yes, but in reality no. The bad teams regularly drop points and the very good teams regularly pick them up.

 

[054123]

9 hours ago, Red Shadow said:

The saying 'anybody can beat anybody' is true though - sometimes the team at the bottom can beat the team at the top.

In theory.

But it’s not a reflection on the reality of a teams ability over a 46 game season.

[mozo]

I think the midfield has to include Massengo and Brunt for that balance of energy and experience. I'm not saying I think that is a fantastic pairing but needs must. Ideally one more body in there with them, so a 3-5-2.

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

8 hours ago, phantom said:

You didn't see today's results then? 

There's been a few Saturday  but over the season, unsure how common it's been.

Then we look at games individually, how many sides eg got an early red card, or worse conceded an early red card and penalty. Can be a big factor.

[Mr Popodopolous]

53 minutes ago, 054123 said:

I understand about ‘hammerings’ but ultimately teams are rubbish and consistently don’t pick up many points. Other teams are consistently good and pick up a lot of points.

If we were genuinely a good team we would of have been in the playoffs during the last 4 seasons.

I just don’t really see the ‘anyone can beat anyone’ argument. Theoretically yes, but in reality no. The bad teams regularly drop points and the very good teams regularly pick them up.

 

I think 2017/18 was the one tbh. Our position not only on Boxing Day but an hour in vs Wolves at the end of the year.

To blow playoffs from there was very disappointing.

Could make a case for 2018/19 too but I'd go with 2017/18 moreso, not least due to ridiculous collapses (Hull and Sunderland at home) but also selected games where we lost narrowly and perhaps unnecessarily by the odd goal when draws would have kept momentum ticking over, platforms to build on etc.

Mind you in 2018/19, Aston Villa away- Weimann's offside that possibly never was and thir penalty in which they handballed during the 'foul'! Both same game!?

Semenyo red card vs Derby, again a red card that never was.

Won't even go into too much detail about Weimann's multiple disallowed wrong goals that year for incorrect offside calls...but one was at Derby!

Tettey and his many final warnings vs League leaders Norwich at home? Another in which we maybe didn't get the rub of the green.

That was also the season of the woodwork, few of them go in do we perhaps edge into top 6 by May?

Might also add if not for regular and persistent rolling injuries might we indeed have made the playoffs at least once? This is the 4th season in succession for us! Bad luck or what.

Edited December 13, 2020 by Mr Popodopolous

[DaveF]

Don't bother watching it then?

[Numero Uno]

38 minutes ago, Robin Wood said:

Last 6 home games against Millwall won 1 drew 3 lost 2 we have scored 4 goals in those  6  games  looks like a tight 0-0 or 1 nil either way not likely to be a classic luckily no fans will be there to watch it

You said this last night.

[Lanterne Rouge]

18 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

You said this last night.

He didn`t get enough replies though.

[054123]

Can’t remember if played them on Tuesday night in 95 or 96. 

Great game!

Boxing Day 97 or 98 was great as well. 

My memory!

[A Horse With No Name]

16 minutes ago, 054123 said:

Can’t remember if played them on Tuesday night in 95 or 96. 

Great game!

Boxing Day 97 or 98 was great as well. 

My memory!

Was that the one where we scored the very late penalty winner ? 

[Mr Popodopolous]

30 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said:

Was that the one where we scored the very late penalty winner ? 

You might be thinking of Lee Matthews debut 2001?

That's one I remember anyway! Could be another with very late penalty winner but that 2001 game was excellent.

[B1ackbird]

Was the game when their fans tried to break the light in the open end the same as the Sheringham hat trick one? 

[Oh Louie louie]

We beat them four times that season, when we had them on boxing day.

[sticks 1969]

29 minutes ago, B1ackbird said:

Was the game when their fans tried to break the light in the open end the same as the Sheringham hat trick one? 

That was 91 

[Portland Bill]

They haven’t won in ten..............oh dear

[weepywall]

6 minutes ago, Portland Bill said:

They haven’t won in ten..............oh dear

That's their winless run over on Tuesday then, we are good at ending these runs

[BigTone]

Must own up to having something of an affinity with Millwall after a few great days out at the New Den. Always find the fans friendly and up for a good bit of banter. That said I hope we stuff them on Tuesday as I have a bet on with a Millwall supporting mate.

[Davefevs]

My team assuming fitness:

                 Bentley

Mariappa | Kalas | Moore

Hunt | Nagy | Bakinson | Rowe

               Paterson

            Wells | Diedhiou

If Pato not fit then Massengo, and a more conventional MF3.  I think he deserves a start.

Vyner can provide RWB or CB cover

[Alex_BCFC]

You can pretty much guarantee it'll be a game low on quality and goals. I expect 1-0 either way or 1-1. Wouldn't it be nice if we actually won a game by more than 1 goal and played well?!

[Slacker]

5 hours ago, Garland-sweden said:

Think we will surprise everybody and win 3-0.

That would certainly surprise me GS.

[Fodbarmyarmy]

3 hours ago, 054123 said:

 

Boxing Day 97 or 98 was great as well. 

My memory!

Ooh Shaun Taylor...

[054123]

4 hours ago, The Horse With No Name said:

Was that the one where we scored the very late penalty winner ? 

I think a Darren Barnard free kick won it?

[Alex_BCFC]

3 minutes ago, 054123 said:

I think a Darren Barnard free kick won it?

Nah late penalty by Lee Matthews I think.

[Will Rollason]

 Gary rowett will have watched the Rotherham game. they will press us. give us shit. maybe go old school 442 and lump it down the channels. 

[054123]

57 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said:

Nah late penalty by Lee Matthews I think.

Sorry, I meant the game in the mid90s

[1960maaan]

1 hour ago, Alex_BCFC said:

Nah late penalty by Lee Matthews I think.

2001, his debut.

3 hours ago, Davefevs said:

My team assuming fitness:

                 Bentley

Mariappa | Kalas | Moore

Hunt | Nagy | Bakinson | Rowe

               Paterson

            Wells | Diedhiou

If Pato not fit then Massengo, and a more conventional MF3.  I think he deserves a start.

Vyner can provide RWB or CB cover

I like that team, and I'm a fan of Massengo .  I don't think Paterson will be fit, but wouldn't be surprised if he reappeared like a Magicians assistant. I would try Mariappa at LCB just to see if his experience would make him a better option than TM who has struggled at times. 

3 hours ago, Alex_BCFC said:

You can pretty much guarantee it'll be a game low on quality and goals

Sounds like a review of our last 8 games 

[italian dave]

???

[Garland-sweden]

COYR!!!

[Sitrom]

Maybe you will.  Wait... you did!

[CodeRed]

You just did

[Sitrom]

5-0.  Hatrick for 

[Sitrom]

I'm feeling pretty positive about this one.  Dunno why.  Let's get back to winning ways.  

[22A]

A lot of pessimism on their forum; https://millwall-forum.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/2020-21-league-ladders-game-22-bristol-city-away.45821/

 

[wendyredredrobin]

I guess this is it.

After our abysmal display against Rotherham, you would think that the gaffer would ring the changes.  However with half the squad decimated by injuries, there seems to be little chance of that.

What he must do is change the formation as it's clear that 433 is leaving us short on numbers in the middle of the park. Whilst 442 is possible, since we don't have any true wingers, I would be inclined to go 532/352.

City to bounce back tonight with a win.

 

Mods - please can you change the title to "Matchday Thread". Ta.

Edited December 15, 2020 by wendyredredrobin

[ashton_fan]

6 minutes ago, 22A said:

A lot of pessimism on their forum; https://millwall-forum.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/2020-21-league-ladders-game-22-bristol-city-away.45821/

 

Just like there was on the Rotherham one a few days ago!

[Sitrom]

@Son of Fred

You may mock me but I'm going all in on that prediction.  

[lenred]

6 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said:

I guess this is it.

After our abysmal display against Rotherham, you would think that the gaffer would ring the changes.  However with half the squad decimated by injuries, there seems to be little chance of that.

What he must do is change the formation as it's clear that 433 is leaving us short on numbers in the middle of the park. Whilst 442 is possible, since we don't have any true wingers, I would be inclined to go 532/352.

City to bounce back tonight with a win.

 

Mods - please can you change the title to "Matchday Thread". Ta.

The excitement is palpable! 

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

I've never done a match day thread as I've so enjoyed reading the others. It's like opening an Advent calendar. However, it does appear that there's an injury crisis with the usual suspects.

Which brings me on to the crazy crazy injury problems we face. It's over half what would probably be our first team and it's been going on for some time. The fact that we are so very much in touch with the top six  in mid December goes to show that BCFC are doing something right and Dean Holden has, so far, deserved his pay rise.

I don't know too much about Millwall other than they have a striker who used to play for us on loan and who I really rated awfully highly. Take a knee.

My two Millwall memories are Coppout in his first game as Manager v newly promoted Millwall at home with new unbeatable James in goal. We got tonked. The second is having a pint in the old Try Again and we were invaded by Millwall fans who rushed in punched a couple of random drinkers and ran out again. It happened in slow motion.

Come on you Reds- we can do this and let's be positive despite our set backs.

CTID

[wendyredredrobin]

1 minute ago, Sitrom said:

@Son of Fred

You may mock me but I'm going all in on that prediction.  

Be lucky if he even gets 1. Have you seen his goals to games ratio

[old_eastender]

1 minute ago, Sitrom said:

@Son of Fred

You may mock me but I'm going all in on that prediction.  

He has to manage to actually get a shot on target first!  

[Bristol Rob]

I wasn't going to bother streaming the game, instead thinking... 'might have a bath and just put the radio on'.

Forgot its on the red button.

So that'll be me tuning in then.

[AppyDAZE]

All you need to know in a nutshell

No one likes them, they don't care

and the whole footballing world wants them to fail

 

COYR

Edited December 15, 2020 by AppyDAZE

[Curr Avon]

Its looking a lot like 3-5-2, fashioned by HNM. (Sorry, couldn't help it)

 

Edited December 15, 2020 by Curr Avon

[2015]

Taylor Moore fills me with dread. Disappointed Diedhiou isnt starting to be honest