Bristol City v Millwall Match Day 19

[Kid in the Riot]

2 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

To the players......a total lack of commitment, aggression, energy, pace, quality...no excuses, the last few games have been totally unacceptable 

The lack of commitment in some of those 50/50 tackles was extremely worrying to see.

The players are lucky there wasn't a crowd in there tonight. 

[Dastardly and Muttley]

20 minutes ago, petehinton said:

6 shots on target in 3 games, 4 goals in last 7 home games

“Breath of fresh air”

[cidered abroad]

3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

One of the worst performances I've ever seen from a City side. 

Lack of commitment out there tonight from a few, which is a bit of a worry. 

Could never say that in 1982 when we were at the bottom of Division 4. All the kids and free transfers worked their socks off. Can't say that for anyone tonight.

[chinapig]

9 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

The problem is the Lansdown's and Mark Ashton......................if you are expecting the club to realistically challenge for the Premiership. It isn't happening whether they sack Holden or not. They'll have to sack the next Manager and the one after that and they still won't work out why nobody can get the club where we would all like it.

Nobody is going to be appointed who isn't a patsy for Ashton.

[wendyredredrobin]

Well at least we are getting our season ticket money refunded.  I would be even more unhappy if I was paying to eatch that dog shite.  Much more of this and a few of us may not be forking out for a season ticket next year either.

['Pack' It In]

Woeful,

 

Absolutely no commitment to the cause. 

If I was in charge, I would absolutely tear those players 'a new one'.

Not good enough, despite the excessive amount of games and injuries in the squad (which is the same for all teams, so no excuses please Deano).

Need to change this 3-5-2 desperately, as it sucks all attacking elements from this team (which is nearly non existent).

Some major repairs needed in January and a lot of dead wood to clear.

If the club does not show any kind of commitment for promotion to the big league, this club will always be small fry.

 

[AppyDAZE]

3 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:

Harrowing. The we could’ve put an OTIB XI team out that managed to create more than that. 

Would you trust @Robbored  to put a shift in?

Edited December 15, 2020 by AppyDAZE

[sh1t_ref_again]

After 35 years plus as a season ticket holder, I have seen many low points, but in all honesty its the 1st time if I had to renew my season ticket now, I would not bother. 

[Jerseybean]

17 minutes ago, intercity said:

Ha, I'm listening to Andi's commentary; according to him they've hit us on the counter and a few little mistakes have crept into our game.

Our passing hasn't been as "crisp" as it could have been.  Brilliant!!!!  Finally some entertainment!

Thought he’d injured his knee not damaged his eyes!

[hollydog]

Chris Honer on Radio Bristol summing it up. 

[mossey]

[GrahamC]

2 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Likely to play on Friday...

Bet he doesn’t...

[Mr Popodopolous]

15 minutes ago, 'Pack' It In said:

Some major repairs needed in January and a lot of dead wood to clear.

If the club does not show any kind of commitment for promotion to the big league, this club will always be small fry.

Can you see that in a deflated market, at our level.

Who is taking in a Covid deflated market when we have quite a few out of contract in the summer quite a lot of our players? 

If a reasonable number of the injured players are back in January this can offer some fresh hope.

Could the loan market in one or two positions provide fresh impetus?

We've only signed two, there could be scope.

As to the second bit, can you do that while navigating loss limits, ongoing monitoring etc?

This feels like a bit of a holding season. Big summer ahead, look at how many out of contract!

Edited December 15, 2020 by Mr Popodopolous

[Better Red]

Can we finally stop the love in with Massengo. I have no idea what he has done in training but I don’t believe he has done anymore than he did tonight.  He passes backwards, loses the ball and is to weak. He offers nothing going forward. 

Bakinson did not have a great game but he is light years in front of Massengo.

Please send him out loan and bring back if/when he improves.

[Numero Uno]

Just now, chinapig said:

Nobody is going to be appointed who isn't a patsy for Ashton.

No, it's there in flashing lights but people take the easy option and shout down the inexperienced Manager instead of the real culprit(s). Just remember that anything Ashton does has to be approved by the Big Dog..........

[BCFCGav]

Just now, AppyDAZE said:

Would you trust @Robbored to put a shift in?

Bitey centre-half I reckon. Lots of grit 

[Der no.2]

They should all go to Court charged with being footballers.

[RedRaw]

1 minute ago, old_eastender said:

Spot on!

The lack of effort in particular is unacceptable; Massengo, Wells & Rowe the only ones who really put a shift in.

Unfortunately, although there was enough effort, massengo was probably the worst culprit for lack of quality and giving the ball away

[Offside]

What a woeful performance. Absolutely shocking. Our passing was poor and we created virtually nothing. Millwall were much more up for it and deserved their win. 

[MC RISK77]

18 minutes ago, Red Alert said:

What’s a dry lunch?

Is it a variant of a hot lunch, which would not far from a correct analogy of our recent performances.

Plenty of dry lunches on here, the tactical analysts the ones defending cod and Moore 

And before you ask about my credentials I just bought FM21 and took city up in my first season playing 3-1-4-2... so up yours to anyone who thinks it can’t be done.

[sludge]

Just now, Kid in the Riot said:

The lack of commitment in some of those 50/50 tackles was extremely worrying to see.

The players are lucky there wasn't a crowd in there tonight. 

One from Jack Hunt on the edge of their box in the second half stands out in my mind.  Embarrassing attempt at a 50:50. If a Sunday league player went in with that lack of commitment he’d get hammered by his teammates.

[AppyDAZE]

Just now, BCFCGav said:

Bitey centre-half I reckon. Lots of grit 

Heads one in, and sticks the finger up to his own fans.

[cidered abroad]

2 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

After 35 years plus as a season ticket holder, I have seen many low points, but in all honesty its the 1st time if I had to renew my season ticket now, I would not bother. 

Agreed 100%

[jimmytango78]

5 minutes ago, ohhhshauntaylor said:

You didn’t see the “goal line technology” image on robins TV then? 
 

the whole ball has to be over the line. 
85% of it was over, no goal. Correct decision. 

Actually they showed the initial block which wasn't over but it was after that fumble when it actually did cross (they didn't use the tech). But yeah it's really a moot point cos we were absolute tosh and didn't deserve it

[Kodjias Wrist]

Hmm being constructive what do we actually need to do now. As is stands last games makes it feel like we are relegation fodder. Would a new coach or manager help this lot?

[Monkeh]

1 minute ago, MC RISK77 said:

Plenty of dry lunches on here, the tactical analysts the ones defending cod and Moore 

And before you ask about my credentials I just bought FM21 and took city up in my first season playing 3-1-4-2... so up yours to anyone who thinks it can’t be done.

4-1-2-2-1 that's the formation of a fm21 player, just ask my league one Kettering side

[cheese]

Well, I'd call that performance shit - but that would be harsh on my shit.

[stephenkibby.]

Let's face it were Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep at best.

Any chance of excitement in the coming months will end with Portsmouth crushing us in the Cup.

[MC RISK77]

Just now, Monkeh said:

4-1-2-2-1 that's the formation of a fm21 player, just ask my league one Kettering side

Fair shout mate... me and you can take this club to the promised land

[richyy66]

Just now, Kodjias Wrist said:

Hmm being constructive what do we actually need to do now. As is stands last games makes it feel like we are relegation fodder. Would a new coach or manager help this lot?

Ben Garner is available - He's cheap...

[italian dave]

4 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

After 35 years plus as a season ticket holder, I have seen many low points, but in all honesty its the 1st time if I had to renew my season ticket now, I would not bother. 

The only way is up from here.....surely. 

[RedRock]

That was beyond woeful. 

Only Wells, who looks more pissed off every game, can emerge with the slightest credit. 

 

We’re soft as hell. I have no idea what goes on at our Academy but the majority of players we produce aren’t bred as winners. Not now even developing players with desire. Bakinson. What was that? Minimum expectation is to give 100%

We need a DNA transplant. Winners and leaders only. If you don’t ‘buy in’, get out. We’re soft partly because players produce lame performance after lame performance. They get away with it. They get selected for the next match and the one after.....What message does that give out?

Said the test was matching up against the mentally and physically tough sides. If we lose to Preston we’ve failed again and another 12 months been wasted. 

Over and out. 

Edited December 15, 2020 by RedRock

[Monkeh]

1 minute ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

Hmm being constructive what do we actually need to do now. As is stands last games makes it feel like we are relegation fodder. Would a new coach or manager help this lot?

Get a man in who can motivate the players

[Cornwall red]

Started the mid season run of 11 matches without a win a few weeks earlier than usual

[Numero Uno]

Somebody needs to explain to Holden that whilst the tactics cannot go out of the window there will be supporters watching on Friday looking for heart and desire on that pitch first and foremost. Win a few tackles, play with a bit of intent, don't get petrified by what the other team might do. Nobody can excuse or defend two awful performances like that in a row......in my mind tonight was far worse than Saturday and that was bad enough.

[Wade Wilson]

[AppyDAZE]

Just now, Monkeh said:

Get a man in who can motivate the players

Mnnnnn, that's gonna cost

[Robin-hugh-blind]

1 minute ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

Hmm being constructive what do we actually need to do now. As is stands last games makes it feel like we are relegation fodder. Would a new coach or manager help this lot?

Qué Simpson I mean I get it, but what's the point. It won't happen

[old_eastender]

1 minute ago, Better Red said:

Can we finally stop the love in with Massengo. I have no idea what he has done in training but I don’t believe he has done anymore than he did tonight.  He passes backwards, loses the ball and is to weak. He offers nothing going forward. 

Bakinson did not have a great game but he is light years in front of Massengo.

Please send him out loan and bring back if/when he improves.

How about stopping the 'hate in' for Massengo!

Massengo was easily our hardest working CM tonight, yes he got caught in possession a couple of times, but he won plenty of ball and hit very few loose passes. Nagy was anonymous and Bakinson languid. The sky commentator whose comments were all spot on tonight, mentioned Massengo as our MotM. Tonight's dross was down to half-hearted performances by others and a head coach who is quickly looking more clueless than LJ.

[Monkeh]

Just now, AppyDAZE said:

Mnnnnn, that's gonna cost

It's gonna cost a hell of a lot more if we don't,

I honestly can't see us winning again on recent form

[Redrascal2]

2 minutes ago, Better Red said:

Can we finally stop the love in with Massengo. I have no idea what he has done in training but I don’t believe he has done anymore than he did tonight.  He passes backwards, loses the ball and is to weak. He offers nothing going forward. 

Bakinson did not have a great game but he is light years in front of Massengo.

Please send him out loan and bring back if/when he improves.

I was just about to post about Massengo. But you have summed my thoughts up perfectly. Lightweight at best. And showing no improvement.

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, Monkeh said:

Get a man in who can motivate the players

If players need motivating get new players.

[Cardy]

363 passes in our own half & it is taking us over 200 passes for each shot. Let that sink in. We have turned into over coached robots scared of passing forwards incase we lose the ball.

[Monkeh]

Just now, Numero Uno said:

If players need motivating get new players.

Every working person needs motivating,

Not just players, lack of motivation results in half assed work,

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

We're not going down, that's a given.

Last two games have been nowhere near acceptable but those who talk of a relegation, zero chance.

[Banjo Red]

Team just looks weak and we are too slow moving the ball which allows teams to tuck back in with bodies behind the ball.

Our possession is high but we don't actually do anything with it 

[sludge]

Just now, Kodjias Wrist said:

Hmm being constructive what do we actually need to do now. As is stands last games makes it feel like we are relegation fodder. Would a new coach or manager help this lot?

The last few games have been against teams that we consistently struggle against every season. We as a club need to look at why we continue to struggle against physical/direct/athletic teams who can score first and then completely stop us from playing. 
 

Either that or you fight fire with fire and appoint warnock or Pulis as next manager

[RedRaw]

7 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

The lack of commitment in some of those 50/50 tackles was extremely worrying to see.

The players are lucky there wasn't a crowd in there tonight. 

Even if there was, there wouldn’t have been many come the 80th minute.! As had been said, Holden may also be fortunate there isn’t fans in at the moment because with the continued very poor home form coupled with the recent pathetic performances, he may well be getting dogs abuse by now

[Monkeh]

Just now, Mr Popodopolous said:

We're not going down, that's a given.

Last two games have been nowhere near acceptable but those who talk of a relegation, zero chance.

I remember Millwall one year being top at Xmas and getting relegated in May in about 1996,

Staying up isn't a given

[bcfcchampions2015]

Well that’s the last £10 bcfc are getting from me for a while. I Can’t be arsed to watch that crap.  If the team and management can’t be bothered neither can I.  

[Mr Popodopolous]

Just now, Banjo Red said:

Team just looks weak and we are too slow moving the ball which allows teams to tuck back in with bodies behind the ball.

Our possession is high but we don't actually do anything with it 

With the exception of tonight, our possession generally post Norwich at home has not been high.

Worst of all worlds.

[Robin-hugh-blind]

1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

We're not going down, that's a given.

Last two games have been nowhere near acceptable but those who talk of a relegation, zero chance.

Why say it, your really tempting fate geez

[marmite]

And nobody wanted Warnock because the football would be crap. Ha ha.

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 minutes ago, sludge said:

Either that or you fight fire with fire and appoint warnock or Pulis as next manager

5 defeats and zero wins, 3 draws for him at Sheffield Wednesday to date!

[City1970]

2 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

I remember Millwall one year being top at Xmas and getting relegated in May in about 1996,

Staying up isn't a given

If City keep playing like tonight then we will be fighting relegation. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 minutes ago, Robin-hugh-blind said:

Why say it, your really tempting fate geez

True, true! I'll take it back but I don't see us as a bottom 3 side.

[Kodjias Wrist]

4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

We're not going down, that's a given.

Last two games have been nowhere near acceptable but those who talk of a relegation, zero chance.

Really? With the last two performances I would argue that it is highly probable. Given the fact we have robbed a few teams this season and comfortably won one or two matches.....

[Mr Popodopolous]

6 minutes ago, Banjo Red said:

Our possession is high but we don't actually do anything with it 

Except post Norwich, it generally isn't! Or hasn't been.

[Keepers Ball]

3 minutes ago, marmite said:

And nobody wanted Warnock because the football would be crap. Ha ha.

best comment of the evening

['Pack' It In]

3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Can you see that in a deflated market, at our level.

Who is taking in a Covid deflated market when we have quite a few out of contract in the summer quite a lot of our players? 

If a reasonable number of the injured players are back in January this can offer some fresh hope.

Could the loan market in one or two positions provide fresh impetus?

We've only signed two, there could be scope.

As to the second bit, can you do that while navigating loss limits, ongoing monitoring etc?

This feels like a bit of a holding period.

Maybe a change in formation could be an answer to the lack of impetus in our game?

4-2-3-1, or 4-3-1-2 could help with some of the problems. Wing backs are not mobile enough to be an attacking.

Maybe, it could just need tweaking a little to be more effective.

There is no attacking midfield threat in this team at all.

A couple of loan signings, could be the difference we need. There are more holes in this side than that. As you said if some injured players return, it could restore some order.

This team look dysfunctional and no cohesion in each position, to be effective.

One thing for sure, some changes will be needed to get this team firing again.

[Robbored]

28 minutes ago, tin said:

All in our own half. Really threatening, that. 

Got to give Millwall some credit for that.

Big issue for me was none of of City players were prepared to run at the opposition. No flair........

[Malvern Red]

6 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

We're not going down, that's a given.

Last two games have been nowhere near acceptable but those who talk of a relegation, zero chance.

20 draws seems a big ask tonight

['Pack' It In]

15 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Can you see that in a deflated market, at our level.

Who is taking in a Covid deflated market when we have quite a few out of contract in the summer quite a lot of our players? 

If a reasonable number of the injured players are back in January this can offer some fresh hope.

Could the loan market in one or two positions provide fresh impetus?

We've only signed two, there could be scope.

As to the second bit, can you do that while navigating loss limits, ongoing monitoring etc?

This feels like a bit of a holding period.

Maybe a change in formation could be an answer to the lack of impetus in our game?

4-2-3-1, or 4-3-1-2 could help with some of the problems. Wing backs are not mobile enough to be an attacking threat.

Maybe, it could just need tweaking a little to be more effective.

There is no attacking midfield threat in this team at all.

A couple of loan signings, could be the difference we need. There are more holes in this side than that. As you said if some injured players return, it could restore some order.

This team look dysfunctional and no cohesion in each position, to be effective.

One thing for sure, some changes will be needed to get this team firing again.

Edited December 15, 2020 by 'Pack' It In

[YGBjammy]

Bad performance but people are acting like Holden hasn't won any games all season!

A couple of weeks ago we were looking at the top of the table, Semenyo and Bakinson were having statues drafted, and it was all rosy. 

We've lost 2 matches in a row, we've come back from a lot worse than that. Dean is a brand new manager, did we really expect he would never lose a couple of games in a row? I guess times like these are when we find out what a manager is made of though.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Just now, Kodjias Wrist said:

Really? With the last two performances I would argue that it is highly probable. Given the fact we have robbed a few teams this season and comfortably won one or two matches.....

Okay perhaps I'm overstating it but I think relegation talk is an overreaction. 

[Robin-hugh-blind]

2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

True, true! I'll take it back but I don't see us as a bottom 3 side.

I think we all agree, bit just don't say it !!!

[A Horse With No Name]

1 minute ago, Keepers Ball said:

best comment of the evening

And his team will overtake us if they win tomorrow

[sludge]

2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

5 defeats and zero wins, 3 draws for him at Sheffield Wednesday to date!

Just to clarify I would not want him or warnock for one second. Was just using him as an example to emphasis  the point

[Robbored]

27 minutes ago, Gazred said:

Nothing misleading at all. We had most of the ball and did sweet FA with it.

You obviously haven’t been following the possession stats discussion recently on here,

[RedRock]

2 minutes ago, marmite said:

And nobody wanted Warnock because the football would be crap. Ha ha.

I don’t think the likes of Bakinson, CoD, Martin would be seen again for a while in a Warnock led team. 

But as we’re decent human beings we’ve got to give them chance, after chance.......season after season......