Engvall’s Splinter Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, ScottishRed said: Don’t know the truth of it but I thought SC went on holiday thinking they were done deals only to find that the club had attempted to re-negotiate in his absence and both deals collapsed. Happy to be corrected. Yeah - that’s what I’m alluding too. Madness on SL’s part. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Whatever happened to (£4m) Harry Maguire anyway? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Fordy62 said: Whatever happened to (£4m) Harry Maguire anyway? £2.5m Maguire, £4m Gray wasn’t it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 16 minutes ago, Davefevs said: £2.5m Maguire, £4m Gray wasn’t it? Lock this thread now, I want to cry.. then their was Gayle, Lingard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Port Said Red said: Another one fast asleep when SC was trying to spend the whole budget on Andre Gray or Dwight Gayle, the money was there if he had tried to use it wisely. Maybe we would have progressed instead of buying fifty odd nobodys . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, alexukhc said: Lock this thread now, I want to cry.. then their was Gayle, Lingard Not sure Lingard was anything more gossip. Gayle was a case of Gray or Gayle I think, not both….we had Kodjia by that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Sir Leigh of Somerset said: You miss the point, surely? SC only needed one or two top quality players to be added to a cracking team. He was trying to use it wisely. Compare the one or two players SC wanted/needed to complete his team to the fifty or so ? often useless articles signed under LJ's tenure. Exactly johnson ripped the team apart signed mostly crap and weve been suffering ever since. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Port Said Red said: No, the point wrongly being made was that the purse strings were only loosened when LJ became Manager. SC was given a budget and attempted to sign two unobtainable players, if he had lowered his sights a little he may have got someone that fitted the bill. Either way the money was there. Even allowing that cotterell would have signed two of the three you mentioned when deals were all set up till someone tried to renogotiate lansdown wouldnt have spent or wasted the grand total of fifty odd nobodys . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: We’re they unobtainable if (allegedly) fees and wages had been agreed for both Gray and Maguire? Very True Dave deals wete scuppered when cotts went on holiday . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 11 hours ago, Port Said Red said: No, the point wrongly being made was that the purse strings were only loosened when LJ became Manager. SC was given a budget and attempted to sign two unobtainable players, if he had lowered his sights a little he may have got someone that fitted the bill. Either way the money was there. To put this into perspective, we got promoted when the ground was under renovation and the gates and therefore match day income were evidently restricted. I believe that SL would have preferred to have been promoted the following season when the stadium had been completed. We suddenly had Championship outgoings on a reduced revenue. We did well to avoid a catastrophy. As for two ‘ unobtainable ‘ players, the story is that both deals were agreed before Cotterill went on holiday. The club blew the negotiations and when SC returned he was furious and the rest is history. We will probably never know all the details but it does seem to nullify your argument. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 7 hours ago, Davefevs said: Not sure Lingard was anything more gossip. Gayle was a case of Gray or Gayle I think, not both….we had Kodjia by that point. The Lingard rumour was the result of one poster (who I haven’t seen since) telling us, for a fact, that we we’re in the process of signing him. At the time I got absolute pelters for my cynicism...from a poster called ‘Cynic’, which amused me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 7 hours ago, RobintheRed Red said: Exactly johnson ripped the team apart signed mostly crap and weve been suffering ever since. I would say it looks more like Ashton sold the silver and signed most of the crap, sometimes LJ put his foot down and demanded players like Brownhill and Webster that didn't really suit Ashtons agenda but yeah bit of a side point - they were both in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: To put this into perspective, we got promoted when the ground was under renovation and the gates and therefore match day income were evidently restricted. I believe that SL would have preferred to have been promoted the following season when the stadium had been completed. We suddenly had Championship outgoings on a reduced revenue. We did well to avoid a catastrophy. As for two ‘ unobtainable ‘ players, the story is that both deals were agreed before Cotterill went on holiday. The club blew the negotiations and when SC returned he was furious and the rest is history. We will probably never know all the details but it does seem to nullify your argument. Do people honestly think that Cotts just ‘went on hols’ for 2 weeks and when he came back he just rocks in to SL office and says ‘so, what’s been happening since I’ve been gone’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Rob k said: Do people honestly think that Cotts just ‘went on hols’ for 2 weeks and when he came back he just rocks in to SL office and says ‘so, what’s been happening since I’ve been gone’ When you put it like that it does sound a bit more unlikely. Who was the originator of this rumour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said: The Lingard rumour was the result of one poster (who I haven’t seen since) telling us, for a fact, that we we’re in the process of signing him. At the time I got absolute pelters for my cynicism...from a poster called ‘Cynic’, which amused me. Actually if I remember rightly it was Alan Nixon in the Sun reporting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Be a interesting game at Ashton Gate next season if we are in the same league. I’m glad he’s gone and should of went a season earlier IMO. Surely he would get a decent reception wouldn’t he ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Just now, Red Army 75 said: Be a interesting game at Ashton Gate next season if we are in the same league. I’m glad he’s gone and should of went a season earlier IMO. Surely he would get a decent reception wouldn’t he ? I think it would be very mixed. I'd like to think he'd get a warm reception, but he's such a polarising figure there are some who'd boo I'm sure. Would be a bit strange if they did as he only ever tried his best. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 I’d loved to have seen LJ here without Mark Ashton 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 15 minutes ago, Rob k said: Do people honestly think that Cotts just ‘went on hols’ for 2 weeks and when he came back he just rocks in to SL office and says ‘so, what’s been happening since I’ve been gone’ I’m sure it wasn’t quite as simple as that, but Pelling allegedly meddled, tried to go back to Brentford / Hull and tried to do a “better” deal, and both clubs thought City / Pelling was taking the pi$$. In Hull’s case they upped the fee, basically saying if you want to take the pi$$, so will we. In Brentford’s case it was let’s see if anyone else is interested and if we can get more by way of a bidding war….that’s when Burnley came in and the £4m went to £6m, and Gray could start asking for more wages too, £18k instead of £14k. Things dragged on into the season. With Burnley’s interest, he was only ever gonna go there, despite us still trying. So, Cotts tried to get Gayle. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Just now, Rob k said: I’d loved to have seen LJ here without Mark Ashton Think that’s fair….they were bloody dangerous together! Would’ve liked to see LJ with Keith Burt! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Just now, Davefevs said: I’m sure it wasn’t quite as simple as that, but Pelling allegedly meddled, tried to go back to Brentford / Hull and tried to do a “better” deal, and both clubs thought City / Pelling was taking the pi$$. In Hull’s case they upped the fee, basically saying if you want to take the pi$$, so will we. In Brentford’s case it was let’s see if anyone else is interested and if we can get more by way of a bidding war….that’s when Burnley came in and the £4m went to £6m, and Gray could start asking for more wages too, £18k instead of £14k. Things dragged on into the season. With Burnley’s interest, he was only ever gonna go there, despite us still trying. So, Cotts tried to get Gayle. Which sounds much more like the truth, i find it very difficult to believe that SC knew nothing about it though 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Think that’s fair….they were bloody dangerous together! Would’ve liked to see LJ with Keith Burt! I’m not convinced we won’t see LJ here again at some point in the future…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 22 minutes ago, Rob k said: I’d loved to have seen LJ here without Mark Ashton I'm looking out for Sunderlands results for this reason. He seems to have recruited well this summer and they're currently top, albeit after a handful of games. Promotion will be expected in a competitive league so he needs to deliver this season. I think LJ, like his dad, might actually make better transfers when he doesn't have a big budget. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 42 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I'm looking out for Sunderlands results for this reason. He seems to have recruited well this summer and they're currently top, albeit after a handful of games. Promotion will be expected in a competitive league so he needs to deliver this season. I think LJ, like his dad, might actually make better transfers when he doesn't have a big budget. Looking at what both LJ and MA are now up to at their new clubs, it certainly looks like it's MA who, with 18 odd new signings this summer, is the bigger "spender" of the two when there's money available. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 14 minutes ago, Alessandro said: Looking at what both LJ and MA are now up to at their new clubs, it certainly looks like it's MA who, with 18 odd new signings this summer, is the bigger "spender" of the two when there's money available. And with a similar approach to what we saw here…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 10 hours ago, Davefevs said: £2.5m Maguire, £4m Gray wasn’t it? This is painful to think about! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bcfcredandwhite Posted September 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2021 I too watch Sunderland's results with interest. I supported LJ for most of his time at AG. I felt that there was a certain section of our fan base who had it in for him from day 1 and WANTED him to fail. Ultimately the football 'stagnated' and he ran out of ideas so it was right that he went - and I'm fully behind Pearson now, but I do think LJ took more than his fair share of criticism from some people. I always wondered how LJ would do if he didn't have Ashton pulling his strings with one foot on LJ's head. His current management of Sunderland gives us that picture. I'm curious to see if Sunderland will go on 'streaks' like we did. I wish LJ all the very best. I truly believe that he loves our club, having both played and managed here and I really hope he gets a decent reception when/if he returns to the away dugout. 18 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Selred said: Actually if I remember rightly it was Alan Nixon in the Sun reporting it. If Alan Nixon subsequently reported it after it appeared on here...I don’t know? The original rumour was made by a poster on here who ended up getting quite aggressive with anyone who questioned his information. Some posters quickly jumped to his defence and attacked anyone who called BS. To this day Jesse Lingard has played zero minutes in a Bristol City shirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said: I too watch Sunderland's results with interest. I supported LJ for most of his time at AG. I felt that there was a certain section of our fan base who had it in for him from day 1 and WANTED him to fail. Ultimately the football 'stagnated' and he ran out of ideas so it was right that he went - and I'm fully behind Pearson now, but I do think LJ took more than his fair share of criticism from some people. I always wondered how LJ would do if he didn't have Ashton pulling his strings with one foot on LJ's head. His current management of Sunderland gives us that picture. I'm curious to see if Sunderland will go on 'streaks' like we did. I wish LJ all the very best. I truly believe that he loves our club, having both played and managed here and I really hope he gets a decent reception when/if he returns to the away dugout. There was a large group who loathed LJ as a player and he was never going to get any objective assessment from lots of those from day one. People may have forgotten how divisive his reputation was even in those days. Edited September 17, 2021 by Leveller 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: Think that’s fair….they were bloody dangerous together! Would’ve liked to see LJ with Keith Burt! Yes, LJ needed an experienced football man to guide and restrain him. Things might have turned out differently without Ashton reinforcing LJ's worst tendencies and vice versa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Hard to argue with his record at Sunderland just now. Might be their times with their respective clubs will give us a better understanding of who out of Ashton and Johnson was more responsible for the negatives from their time here. As it stands; LJ is doing far, far better at his new location than Ashton is at his. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, samo II said: Hard to argue with his record at Sunderland just now. Might be their times with their respective clubs will give us a better understanding of who out of Ashton and Johnson was more responsible for the negatives from their time here. As it stands; LJ is doing far, far better at his new location than Ashton is at his. I think he also deserves plenty of credit for taking the Sunderland role. One of the criticisms of LJ during his time here was that throughout his career he's played it safe - either playing for his dad or under SL here. Sunderland is nothing like that - success will be demanded given the stature of the club and he will have to deliver. It was a very brave choice of club. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, Leveller said: There was a large group who loathed LJ as a player and he was never going to get any objective assessment from lots of those from day one. People may have forgotten how divisive his reputation was even when we got to the play off final. I would add to that the fact that he replaced SC who was/is rightly a well respected manager for many City fans, and virtually God like for a handful. A few of SC’s biggest fans were LJ’s biggest critics. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 I have nothing against LJ. As others said it was only ever plainly obvious that the man was trying his best for our club and that is all you can ever ask from a manager or player. The combination of him and Ashton become toxic and it was poor inept stewardship from the Lansdown family to allow it to stagnate to the point that it did. I was and am still of the opinion that LJ and Ashton should have gone at the end of the 2018 season. It was clear to many that after that Wolves game it wasn’t working and fresh impetus was needed. The 17/18 season at times was a great season what with getting to the league cup semi final and beating Man U but we needed to be ruthless as a club.. ultimately the blame for me always will lay at the door of the owner - nobody can blame LJ for wanting to stay on at the club he clearly cares a lot about. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Rob k said: Which sounds much more like the truth, i find it very difficult to believe that SC knew nothing about it though I’m not convinced we won’t see LJ here again at some point in the future…. It's perfectly plausible knowing the shithousery involved in big business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Rob k said: I’d loved to have seen LJ here without Mark Ashton This is where we come back, yet again, to poor old Steve, and his dubious decisions and choices. As @samo II, a quick look at the L1 table makes you wonder what would've happened if Steve had bombed Ashton out before he got rid of LJ. "Hindsight!" many will protest. But Steve is on the inside, with all the facts and the information at his disposal, the ability to speak directly to everyone involved, and it his task to make the right calls at the right time (like the owners at Brighton, Brentford etc) but when we look back, we can see that Steve makes decisions that are at best questionable. We had Bristol City with LJ and Ashton here, and the outcome was good and bad; then we had Bristol City with Ashton but not LJ, and the result was poor; what we never had was Bristol City with LJ but not Ashton. We'll never know what that could've been like. And that's down to Steve. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, Alessandro said: I would add to that the fact that he replaced SC who was/is rightly a well respected manager for many City fans, and virtually God like for a handful. A few of SC’s biggest fans were LJ’s biggest critics. True. I don't really understand the strength of dislike towards LJ. You just know that if Sunderland were 21st with 4 points this thread would've been bumped and heavily commented on by those that dislike Johnson. There'd be quotes taken from the Sunderland forum etc. If/when Sunderland hit bad form it'll happen for certain. I don't see why people can't just wish both managers well - they both tried their best and helped the club. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 One thing`s almost for sure, if SC or LJ ever write autobiographies there will be some shit hitting various fans! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said: was a very brave choice of club. Or a club the size of Sunderland have a great chance of signing the best players in that division and offer a higher chance of a promotion on the CV than a club like Shrewsbury for example. The pressure for results is there whichever club a manager is employed but certain clubs offer more potential for success than others. Sunderland will always be amongst the favourites for promotion when they are in the third tier. I hope LJ gets promoted with them and then we will perhaps see him fulfilling his potential. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: One thing`s almost for sure, if SC or LJ ever write autobiographies there will be some shit hitting various fans! Incoming ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said: If Alan Nixon subsequently reported it after it appeared on here...I don’t know? I doubt that's the case. We may of been interest in him though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 3 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: I'm looking out for Sunderlands results for this reason. He seems to have recruited well this summer and they're currently top, albeit after a handful of games. Promotion will be expected in a competitive league so he needs to deliver this season. I think LJ, like his dad, might actually make better transfers when he doesn't have a big budget. I thought I was the one obsessed with LJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: Or a club the size of Sunderland have a great chance of signing the best players in that division and offer a higher chance of a promotion on the CV than a club like Shrewsbury for example. The pressure for results is there whichever club a manager is employed but certain clubs offer more potential for success than others. Sunderland will always be amongst the favourites for promotion when they are in the third tier. I hope LJ gets promoted with them and then we will perhaps see him fulfilling his potential. To an extent, but I used the word brave because Sunderland will be unforgiving. There were far safer options he could've picked that would give him more time if things go bad. 14 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said: I thought I was the one obsessed with LJ Not sure if looking out for results of another club makes you 'obsessed' - I also look out for Shrewsbury's results for the same reason and Bristol Rovers results for another reason. I just thought you started lots of threads to try and restart old debates about Johnson, something I haven't done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Selred said: I doubt that's the case. We may of been interest in him though? Then I doubt Nixon reported it at all otherwise the poster who put it on here would’ve said so, which they didn’t. In fact, if I remember correctly, when I asked them if they could put any meat on the bones the response was along the lines of “I don’t really give a **** if you believe me or not, I know what I know”. Edited September 17, 2021 by Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 42 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: To an extent, but I used the word brave because Sunderland will be unforgiving. There were far safer options he could've picked that would give him more time if things go bad. Who would that be, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, Moments of Pleasure said: Who would that be, then? I'd say any other side in League 1 for a start. Sunderland are a massive club and their fanbase expect much better than L1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniro Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 5 hours ago, Rob k said: I’d loved to have seen LJ here without Mark Ashton The more distance we've got from Mark Ashton, the clearer it is what a bad influence he was. LJ ran out of road with us but he's as true a Red as you'll find, if you think about it. HIs dad was manager, he was a player and then Head Coach etc... He was a promising young manager and he didn't do a bad job for us overall given how little experience he had. We really needed someone with serious football experience in that director of football role to support him ... not a flash ego in a fancy suit. With Pearson and Gould we do now have a nice mix of football and commercial experience. The future's bright. Just the present that's still a bit sh!t 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 43 minutes ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said: Then I doubt Nixon reported it at all otherwise the poster who put it on here would’ve said so, which they didn’t. In fact, if I remember correctly, when I asked them if they could put any meat on the bones the response was along the lines of “I don’t really give a **** if you believe me or not, I know what I know”. It was in the Sun. Know I'm not going mental! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) I do like the comparison between the fortunes of LJ and the car salesman now they're in competition. LJ has an undoubted love / affinity for this club and I wish him well at Sunderland. He worked extremely hard but the change was probably overdue. The car salesman loves one thing, himself. LJ without Ashton? I would be content with that in the future. As said above, I too think he will be back at some point. Edited September 17, 2021 by Ska Junkie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMWANG50 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) Interestingly although early days Sunderland have only played teams in the top 9 of the table so an even better start than it looks on paper for LJ Edited September 17, 2021 by TMWANG50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 6 hours ago, Rob k said: Which sounds much more like the truth, i find it very difficult to believe that SC knew nothing about it though I’m not convinced we won’t see LJ here again at some point in the future…. Ashton got rid of Burt pretty quickly then Des Taylor after that. It’s a shame Burt went, because he wasn’t a Cotts man, SOD had brought him in, so had proved he could work with different managers…and his talent ID was pretty good. I think it’s exactly what Lee needed. Of course, what is obvious (to me) is that Ashton had a plan. Come in as COO, get rid of the HOR (Burt), then Taylor, get his feet firmly under the table and “advise” SL that he could do COO and HOR, with a promotion to CEO. All whilst employing his Nephew / Brother-in-Law (Werhun) as Club Secretary then making up his role to be Head of Football Operations to replace the admin he did as COO. Werhun is now COO at Ipswich….another little promotion based on nepotism. Money for Effin old rope!!! Grifters!!! That all happened a year after (2017) he joined (2015/16)….and that was where my suspicions first surfaced about him. My finances / accounts analysis joined the dots together. I have my criticisms of LJ, but I never disliked him like I did Ashton. 5 hours ago, CheddarReds said: This is painful to think about! Maguire might’ve been £2m and Gray £4.5m….but together that kind of ball-park. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Selred said: It was in the Sun. Know I'm not going mental! Yep, fair play you’re spot on. I didn’t remember that the original thread came from a rumour in the Sun. I was wrong. I did remember correctly that a poster on here claimed it was a done deal and he’d signed. He also wasn’t happy to be questioned about it, angry little individual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 I think “Pitch Personalities” is a new one on us! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Weird result considering they’d lost 2 in 13 in the league before today. Come on Lee, bounce back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) Such a shame Sunderland got battered and the shiny suited one's team lost as well. NOT! Streaky Lee strikes again maybe? One of his infamous losing streaks? I've got no problem with LJ TBH. As for Ipswich.... Edited January 29, 2022 by Ska Junkie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Ska Junkie said: Such a shame Sunderland got battered and the shiny suited one's team lost as well. NOT! Streaky Lee strikes again maybe? One of his infamous losing streaks? I've got no problem with LJ TBH. As for Ipswich.... I see some of them have already worked out Bakinson today! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Weird result considering they’d lost 2 in 13 in the league before today. Come on Lee, bounce back One of their fans saying they’d conceded 18 in 4… I’m guessing he’s just picked out their 4 worst results… surely you’re not allowed to do that?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I think “Pitch Personalities” is a new one on us! "Prancing", too, I think he said. How refreshing we have the concise, straight to the point, honesty of Nige for our post match analysis these days rather than this meaningless waffle. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I see some of them have already worked out Bakinson today! Haha they have. 10 in last 4 now including today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Ha ha. Thread resurrected. No posts since 17th Sept. Since then, Sunderland have played 23 league games, won 13, drawn 6 and lost 4. All of a sudden Fordy is back on his anti LJ thread. Agenda? Much!! 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Awful score but he will be judged on one thing at end of season and be gone if it isn’t delivered. Guess time will tell but they can of course come back from today but also could go on a horror streak. Be interesting to see what happens but should he not deliver promotion then not can’t see him getting another big role again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Fordy62 said: I think “Pitch Personalities” is a new one on us! Just watching Elaine Page (bird that used to sing musicals) on the telly singing 'Short People' (really), right now, and she goes: "Short people got no reason Short people got no reason Short people got no reason To live They got little hands And little eyes And they walk around Tellin' great big lies ..... " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 42 minutes ago, Harry said: Ha ha. Thread resurrected. No posts since 17th Sept. Since then, Sunderland have played 23 league games, won 13, drawn 6 and lost 4. All of a sudden Fordy is back on his anti LJ thread. Agenda? Much!! Sunderland also delivered the worst ever result in their history in the lowest tier they've ever played in. That's not an agenda that, as Roy Castle once said, is a record breaker. Given their manager loves to boast records on his CV he can have that one for nothing..... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Just now, Moments of Pleasure said: Just watching Elaine Page (bird that used to sing musicals) on the telly singing 'Short People' (really), right now, and she goes: "Short people got no reason Short people got no reason Short people got no reason To live They got little hands And little eyes And they walk around Tellin' great big lies ..... " I just hope she sang with the irony Randy Newman injected into the lyric. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 minute ago, BTRFTG said: I just hope she sang with the irony Randy Newman injected into the lyric. Sang it like she meant it, maaaaan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Moments of Pleasure said: Sang it like she meant it, maaaaan. She also would have sung it through her new and ill-fitting 'teeesh'. Thank Christ she's never duetted with Denis Waterman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 57 minutes ago, Harry said: Ha ha. Thread resurrected. No posts since 17th Sept. Since then, Sunderland have played 23 league games, won 13, drawn 6 and lost 4. All of a sudden Fordy is back on his anti LJ thread. Agenda? Much!! I just needed to highlight “pitch personalities” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 On 17/09/2021 at 04:58, Phileas Fogg said: I think he also deserves plenty of credit for taking the Sunderland role. One of the criticisms of LJ during his time here was that throughout his career he's played it safe - either playing for his dad or under SL here. Sunderland is nothing like that - success will be demanded given the stature of the club and he will have to deliver. It was a very brave choice of club. Sunderland needed a manager Johnson was on the short list, they interviewed him. He got the job and took it. It was not as if it happened any other way unless you know something different. Im not sure what credit there is. He managed clubs not owned by SL or assisted by GJ before he got here did he not? I do agree Sunderland demands success…and yet specialize in failure! The bloke has his opportunity to put Bristol City behind him and make a name for himself! Good luck to him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BTRFTG said: Sunderland also delivered the worst ever result in their history in the lowest tier they've ever played in. That's not an agenda that, as Roy Castle once said, is a record breaker. Given their manager loves to boast records on his CV he can have that one for nothing..... Given they’ve only spent 4 seasons at that level, that’s not exactly some massive historic blunder that he’s presided over. Here’s another fact. Since their relegation 4 years ago, he’s got the best record of any other Sunderland manager. Here’s another fact. Aside from a 26 game period in 1977/78, he has the best win percentage of any Sunderland manager since 1889!! Edited January 29, 2022 by Harry 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 25 minutes ago, Harry said: Given they’ve only spent 4 seasons at that level, that’s not exactly some massive historic blunder that he’s presided over. Here’s another fact. Since their relegation 4 years ago, he’s got the best record of any other Sunderland manager. Here’s another fact. Aside from a 26 game period in 1977/78, he has the best win percentage of any Sunderland manager since 1889!! You crack me up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 27 minutes ago, Harry said: Given they’ve only spent 4 seasons at that level, that’s not exactly some massive historic blunder that he’s presided over. Here’s another fact. Since their relegation 4 years ago, he’s got the best record of any other Sunderland manager. Here’s another fact. Aside from a 26 game period in 1977/78, he has the best win percentage of any Sunderland manager since 1889!! Think you need to go on their forum and put many of their fans right then because they don't seem to see him in as positive a light as you do............ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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