BTRFTG Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 31 minutes ago, Harry said: Given they’ve only spent 4 seasons at that level, that’s not exactly some massive historic blunder that he’s presided over. Here’s another fact. Since their relegation 4 years ago, he’s got the best record of any other Sunderland manager. Here’s another fact. Aside from a 26 game period in 1977/78, he has the best win percentage of any Sunderland manager since 1889!! Can't sleep Lee....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 I can't stick LJ but lets be honest here, Sunderland fans are the most fickle fans in the Country i'd say. A total mess. Johnson doesn't help himself sometimes with the stuff he comes out with 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 FWIW they are having a decent season, problem is Rotherham and Wigan are doing better, are ahead of them with games in hand. Playoffs is minimum expectation, and should be achieved no problem. But playoffs are a lottery. They desperately need to get promoted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, REDOXO said: You crack me up! Harry's response is one step afar from claiming to be 'the best looking bloke in the burns unit'. God only knows what he'd make of the Mackams themselves reminding they've the most expensive squad ever assembled at that level, that with the resource spent they should waltz out of that Division or why 5,200 supporters didn't travel to a club who's recently staved off extinction expecting to be dicked six zip ( and lucky to get zip at that.) How ungrateful must the Mackams be to overlook the success Johnson has so far delivered? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 It’s almost parody that this thread gets dug up from several months ago. There’s a few posters on here, who should really know better, that clearly have a massive personal issue with a former manager who doesn’t even know they exist. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 What's Sunderland's budget compared to other teams in that league? Imagine it is sizeable so expected to at the top end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: It’s almost parody that this thread gets dug up from several months ago. There’s a few posters on here, who should really know better, that clearly have a massive personal issue with a former manager who doesn’t even know they exist. What's having an issue with somebody to do with whether or not they know you exist? He purports to be a high profile manager, happy to tell him face to face what I think of him. There's a good chance he might well remember me from the touchline conversations he forced me (and plenty of others) to have when he was here. I detest Johnson for the damage he delivered my beloved club, damage that'll extend for years to come, much as the Mackams have come to realise the damage he's doing to theirs. And if he doesn't know I exist was all that praising of fans when he was here further Johnsonesque bull? Can't have it both ways, save in his case he likes to think he can given he's been found out again talking meaningless claptrap. Great quote from the Mackams: "If he was a chocolate he'd eat himself". You'll find it under their stark realization: "In 400 odd games what's he ever won?" 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: What's having an issue with somebody to do with whether or not they know you exist? He purports to be a high profile manager, happy to tell him face to face what I think of him. There's a good chance he might well remember me from the touchline conversations he forced me (and plenty of others) to have when he was here. I detest Johnson for the damage he delivered my beloved club, damage that'll extend for years to come, much as the Mackams have come to realise the damage he's doing to theirs. And if he doesn't know I exist was all that praising of fans when he was here further Johnsonesque bull? Can't have it both ways, save in his case he likes to think he can given he's been found out again talking meaningless claptrap. Great quote from the Mackams: "If he was a chocolate he'd eat himself". You'll find it under their stark realization: "In 400 odd games what's he ever won?" I just think it’s ‘small dick energy’ - I’d love to use a more intellectual phrase, but that’s exactly what it is. It’s a personal issue and enjoying the misfortune of someone who literally has no idea that you exist. It’s sad really, he tried his best and was desperate to succeed here. I genuinely am baffled why anyone would care as much as people seem to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I just think it’s ‘small dick energy’ - I’d love to use a more intellectual phrase, but that’s exactly what it is. It’s a personal issue and enjoying the misfortune of someone who literally has no idea that you exist. It’s sad really, he tried his best and was desperate to succeed here. I genuinely am baffled why anyone would care as much as people seem to do. Does anyone we talk about on OTIB have any idea that we exist? It’s a forum no? No one expects the subjects we debate to actually pay any attention to what we discuss surely? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 12 minutes ago, lenred said: Does anyone we talk about on OTIB have any idea that we exist? It’s a forum no? No one expects the subjects we debate to actually pay any attention to what we discuss surely? That’s true of course - I just think it’s more pertinent when the subject (in this case LJ) left the club almost 2 years ago. I genuinely think it’s sad this thread gets regurgitated whenever Sunderland hit a bad patch. Overall they seem to be doing ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: That’s true of course - I just think it’s more pertinent when the subject (in this case LJ) left the club almost 2 years ago. I genuinely think it’s sad this thread gets regurgitated whenever Sunderland hit a bad patch. Overall they seem to be doing ok. Fair enough, but I think such divisive figures as LJ and Ashton, rightly or wrongly, will attract attention and debate for a good while to come and I suppose when they hit a bad patch that attention will be heightened. Don’t see it as a problem myself but get your POV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 hour ago, BTRFTG said: Harry's response is one step afar from claiming to be 'the best looking bloke in the burns unit'. God only knows what he'd make of the Mackams themselves reminding they've the most expensive squad ever assembled at that level, that with the resource spent they should waltz out of that Division or why 5,200 supporters didn't travel to a club who's recently staved off extinction expecting to be dicked six zip ( and lucky to get zip at that.) How ungrateful must the Mackams be to overlook the success Johnson has so far delivered? “Most expensive squad ever assembled at that level”. The fact he had to reduce the wage budget when he arrived suggests not. The fact todays team has 4 academy players, 4 loans, 3 free transfers and only 5 players LJ paid a fee for (4 of which were ‘nominal’), also suggests you’re talking crap again. Yes, if he doesn’t get them promoted he’ll no doubt be sacked. But cut the bull shit. It’s not very becoming for someone of your clear intellect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 hour ago, lenred said: Fair enough, but I think such divisive figures as LJ and Ashton, rightly or wrongly, will attract attention and debate for a good while to come and I suppose when they hit a bad patch that attention will be heightened. Don’t see it as a problem myself but get your POV. I wish LJ every possible success and have no issue with Sunderland, a fine club. Ashton, on the other hand, I wish nothing but failure, wherever the slimy ***** is. No offence to Ipswich Town, I just can't stand the smarmy used car salesman. Didn't like him here, don't like him somewhere else. The man is a chancer, a charlatan. 9 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 On 16/09/2021 at 23:59, RobintheRed Red said: Very True Dave deals were scuppered when cotts went on holiday . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 On 09/02/2021 at 23:31, Frenchay Red said: He is so full of cr@p, how on earth could Lansdown have been so taken in by it. Probably because Ashton is also full of it! Always been a manual manipulator will win fuxk all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 On 10/02/2021 at 08:45, firstdivision said: Yes, it’s amazing how people forget. Also, Lee Johnson helped us to some reasonable finishing positions in the Championship. It’s amazing how people forget that. But I suppose he didn’t win the Champions League so best to rubbish him as much as possible. Man's a *** 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdivision Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 5 hours ago, RobintheRed Red said: Man's a *** I don’t suppose you’ve even met him, have you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Humble Realist Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 I get people might be rubbed up the wrong way by how johnson talks but why the hate ? Served us well as a player and gave us some good albeit frustrating times as a manager. Didnt get us relegated. Even with all the 'problems' he allegedly left us we are no worse than when he took over. He isnt everyones cup of tea in terms of how he speaks (I hate it!) but that's no reason to wish ill on him or the clubs he goes to. People hate johnson more than plenty of other managers who did nowhere near as well, and that's without taking into account his playing career too. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, The Humble Realist said: I get people might be rubbed up the wrong way by how johnson talks but why the hate ? Served us well as a player and gave us some good albeit frustrating times as a manager. Didnt get us relegated. Even with all the 'problems' he allegedly left us we are no worse than when he took over. He isnt everyones cup of tea in terms of how he speaks (I hate it!) but that's no reason to wish ill on him or the clubs he goes to. People hate johnson more than plenty of other managers who did nowhere near as well, and that's without taking into account his playing career too. Hate is a very very strong word and certainly not one Id use with LJ at all. But I find it really hard to separate him and Ashton as a joint tenure at our club. A time when, bar a nice run in the 3rd rate cup, we had very little to shout about, played some absolutely dire football a lot of the time and spent so much money that we now are having to rebuild with the odd free transfer here and lower league signing there. I loved that we employed him at the start it was a really progressive and positive step imho and gave him a couple of years to work it through, but in the end he was given too much time imho. Time and the accompanying money wasted, that could’ve been spent much more wisely possibly by a new and better manager and of course it can be said that’s SL’s fault as well that he kept him on too long…. That he kept us up given the money he had isn’t really an achievement in my eyes. SL funded him like no other manager before and it was wasted in the main. I’m just glad that era is over. And in terms of what he’s doing now, I’m interested to see if he builds something at Sunderland without MA, or whether he is, as I suspect, a league 1 manager at best. Given his time here I don’t think it’s a problem to discuss it - as long as it’s in a non hateful way of course, and I wish him no ill at all. It would make a great occasion to be playing Sunderland next year if he makes it! Edited January 30, 2022 by lenred 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 46 minutes ago, The Humble Realist said: I get people might be rubbed up the wrong way by how johnson talks but why the hate ? Served us well as a player and gave us some good albeit frustrating times as a manager. Didnt get us relegated. Even with all the 'problems' he allegedly left us we are no worse than when he took over. He isnt everyones cup of tea in terms of how he speaks (I hate it!) but that's no reason to wish ill on him or the clubs he goes to. People hate johnson more than plenty of other managers who did nowhere near as well, and that's without taking into account his playing career too. LJ still lives in our heads. He did good things and bad things. I think it was a divisive appointment, and he was always gonna divide opinions as a result. I do think his heart was in the right place, but I think there are insecurities there too….and that came out in interviews. I think he desperately cared about Bristol City, but I think he got led astray by Ashton, and allowed himself to be led astray, they fed off each other’s egos. Met him a couple of times. An alright bloke. Would love to sit and listen to him talk tactics etc, but probably wouldn’t want to go down the pub with him and put the non-football world to rights. I do think Sunderland this season will be his watershed moment. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 18 minutes ago, Davefevs said: LJ still lives in our heads. He did good things and bad things. I think it was a divisive appointment, and he was always gonna divide opinions as a result. I do think his heart was in the right place, but I think there are insecurities there too….and that came out in interviews. I think he desperately cared about Bristol City, but I think he got led astray by Ashton, and allowed himself to be led astray, they fed off each other’s egos. Met him a couple of times. An alright bloke. Would love to sit and listen to him talk tactics etc, but probably wouldn’t want to go down the pub with him and put the non-football world to rights. I do think Sunderland this season will be his watershed moment. Yes, the combination of him and Ashton was the problem. I posted elsewhere that things might have turned out differently if he had had an experienced mentor with a deep knowledge of the game as opposed to being led by a CEO who believes he is a football expert. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 10 hours ago, Harry said: “Most expensive squad ever assembled at that level”. The fact he had to reduce the wage budget when he arrived suggests not. The fact todays team has 4 academy players, 4 loans, 3 free transfers and only 5 players LJ paid a fee for (4 of which were ‘nominal’), also suggests you’re talking crap again. Yes, if he doesn’t get them promoted he’ll no doubt be sacked. But cut the bull shit. It’s not very becoming for someone of your clear intellect! As somebody unable to comprehend the clearly advised benefits of vaccines it comes as no surprise you struggle to appreciate why budgets have to be cut when teams get relegated and why that takes time. Doubtless you'll fail to appreciate Johnson's continuing that he deployed at City, sign player after player after player (even if on loan.) And whilst you'll point to many of these being 'free' sensible folks realise nil transfer free does not equal cheap. Loan arrangement, signing-on fees, agents commissions and, er, wages aren't free nor cheap. You'll recall the latter went from £6m to £32m under his reign here, hence why were presently screwed despite his departure two years ago. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 5 hours ago, firstdivision said: I don’t suppose you’ve even met him, have you? I know all about how he treated the young players bully boy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 2 hours ago, BTRFTG said: As somebody unable to comprehend the clearly advised benefits of vaccines it comes as no surprise you struggle to appreciate why budgets have to be cut when teams get relegated and why that takes time. Doubtless you'll fail to appreciate Johnson's continuing that he deployed at City, sign player after player after player (even if on loan.) And whilst you'll point to many of these being 'free' sensible folks realise nil transfer free does not equal cheap. Loan arrangement, signing-on fees, agents commissions and, er, wages aren't free nor cheap. You'll recall the latter went from £6m to £32m under his reign here, hence why were presently screwed despite his departure two years ago. Exactly what Pearson has said no such thing as a FREE transfer and loans cost money etc etc We will be in a better position under Pearson than under Johnson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: LJ still lives in our heads. He did good things and bad things. I think it was a divisive appointment, and he was always gonna divide opinions as a result. I do think his heart was in the right place, but I think there are insecurities there too….and that came out in interviews. I think he desperately cared about Bristol City, but I think he got led astray by Ashton, and allowed himself to be led astray, they fed off each other’s egos. Met him a couple of times. An alright bloke. Would love to sit and listen to him talk tactics etc, but probably wouldn’t want to go down the pub with him and put the non-football world to rights. I do think Sunderland this season will be his watershed moment. Plain for me Johnson wanted it too much here , might sound a strange comment but I think he wanted to out do his dad and also must have hurt him to know people were saying he was only in the team due to his dad. I think he tries to over complicate the game, no doubt he’s best results come when limited players to select. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 39 minutes ago, Street red said: Exactly what Pearson has said no such thing as a FREE transfer and loans cost money etc etc We will be in a better position under Pearson than under Johnson. Different results but just compare their respective post-match interviews yesterday. Pearson didn't fall for the interviewers pointed questions, called it exactly as it was, threw nobody under a bus, gave a measured, positive response to where we are (clearly indicating that's not where he wants us to be.) Johnson spoke for a similar length of time and said, well, I'm not sure what? There were 'pitch personalities' and 'prancing', he confirmed they'd prepared well for the match, had an excellent gameplan, was happy with the set-up. Strange then as he made muted apologies for, well, again I'm not sure? Didn't seem to shoulder any responsibility, or provide explanation as to why they shipped six. But then again, we'd seen that in many of his conferences when here. What a refreshing change we have in Nige 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 59 minutes ago, RobintheRed Red said: I know all about how he treated the young players bully boy . Not forgetting all those senior pros who occupied the 'naughty step'. One would have to have a sense of humour bypass not to laugh at his:"I could have easily played in The Premier...." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 5 hours ago, The Humble Realist said: Didnt get us relegated. Even with all the 'problems' he allegedly left us we are no worse than when he took over. Presumably this is a joke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 45 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Presumably this is a joke? They clearly don't know one end of a balance sheet from the other. Good news for them being if they think a wage tab increasing from under £10m to £32m per season isn't an issue then the hike in their own utility bills will be commensurately insignificant. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Literally never had a problem with Johnson's interviews. All football managers come out with cliched crap at times and on some occasions use a lot of words to not say anything other than the obvious: even Mr Pearson does. My problem came with what he did, rather than how he sounded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Humble Realist Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 16 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: They clearly don't know one end of a balance sheet from the other. Good news for them being if they think a wage tab increasing from under £10m to £32m per season isn't an issue then the hike in their own utility bills will be commensurately insignificant. My utility bills arent too much of a problem for me but appreciate the concern. I fear this will turn into a boring debate about Ashton/johnson/lansdown but.. 1. On the pitch we were no worse off when he left for sure For my money virtually all off pitch shenanigans lay at Ashtons door but since you blame LJ I will go on.... 2. Ok point taken about the wage bill but that would have been true for virtually all clubs like ours striving to go from bottom of the league after promotion to top half of the championship. 3. If your blaming johnson for our wage bill being so high presumably you will give him plenty credit for Kodja, webster , flint , bryan , reid, brownhill, pack and Kelly bringing in literally tens of millions of pounds in revenue through selling them Caveat to all of the above : I was certainly not disappointed when johnson left and as I said his 'talk' drove me mad. Could he have done better with us YES . My only real point is he gets a lot of hate considering ultimately he didnt do awfully with us and gave us some decent memories. No need for people to be wishing ill on sunderland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 5 hours ago, chinapig said: Yes, the combination of him and Ashton was the problem. I posted elsewhere that things might have turned out differently if he had had an experienced mentor with a deep knowledge of the game as opposed to being led by a CEO who believes he is a football expert. Maybe so about a mentor, but how long does he have to be in the game without having someone watching over and guiding him? I actually went over and read the Johnson thread on a Sunderland forum yesterday and guess what? It was almost as if someone had lifted a thread from here from a couple of years ago. According to them, he’s a bluffer, can’t stop tinkering with the starting 11 and tactics and the only time they get some consistency is when they are wracked with injuries and he’s forced to keep a settled side. Once players are fit again, he reverts to tinkering and it turns to shit again. He also gets lambasted for unfathomable substitutions and filling the team with diminutive, lightweight players with a total lack of battling instincts. According to them, they can’t stand his post match interviews because of his waffle and never taking the blame for bad results and reckon he’s got a massive ego, but no record of success to back it up and seems incapable of motivating and lifting players when it really matters. Granted, they seem a pretty entitled lot, but I’ve got to say those criticisms sound exactly like our experiences when he was here tbh. Those are just some of the criticisms, but he hasn’t got Mark Ashton there to share the blame with now, so what’s his excuse this time? He just seems to have taken what he’s learned so far in his managerial career and is rinsing and repeating and unsurprisingly, getting much the same results. I agree he was desperate to do well with/for City, but the longer this pattern of streakyness goes on with him, the more it looks like he may never see any real success in management and should maybe stick to coaching, though even that could be debatable too! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Just now, BrizzleRed said: Maybe so about a mentor, but how long does he have to be in the game without having someone watching over and guiding him? I actually went over and read the Johnson thread on a Sunderland forum yesterday and guess what? It was almost as if someone had lifted a thread from here from a couple of years ago. According to them, he’s a bluffer, can’t stop tinkering with the starting 11 and tactics and the only time they get some consistency is when they are wracked with injuries and he’s forced to keep a settled side. Once players are fit again, he reverts to tinkering and it turns to shit again. He also gets lambasted for unfathomable substitutions and filling the team with diminutive, lightweight players with a total lack of battling instincts. According to them, they can’t stand his post match interviews because of his waffle and never taking the blame for bad results and reckon he’s got a massive ego, but no record of success to back it up and seems incapable of motivating and lifting players when it really matters. Granted, they seem a pretty entitled lot, but I’ve got to say those criticisms sound exactly like our experiences when he was here tbh. Those are just some of the criticisms, but he hasn’t got Mark Ashton there to share the blame with now, so what’s his excuse this time? He just seems to have taken what he’s learned so far in his managerial career and is rinsing and repeating and unsurprisingly, getting much the same results. I agree he was desperate to do well with/for City, but the longer this pattern of streakyness goes on with him, the more it looks like he may never see any real success in management and should maybe stick to coaching, though even that could be debatable too! My point is he needed a mentor when he joined us not a bad influence like Ashton. An experienced Director of Football might have been ideal. The die is now cast so it's too late to change him now. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 One day it may dawn on him that he isn’t actually god’s gift to football. But, to be honest, I won’t hold my breath. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 After the game yesterday, I heard LJ say it was his worst moment in football. Don’t know why, but I had kind of hoped losing the 2008 playoff final might have been worse, but apparently not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, chinapig said: My point is he needed a mentor when he joined us not a bad influence like Ashton. An experienced Director of Football might have been ideal. The die is now cast so it's too late to change him now. Ok got you Yes see what you mean and it may have helped guide him onto a different path in his more formative managerial years I guess. It also depends how much guidance he’d be prepared to take, or maybe he honestly believes his way is the right way, so who knows? As you say, he’s leaving it late to change now, so I think he’ll need some success pretty soon, or his stock will be on a real downward trajectory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Southport Red said: After the game yesterday, I heard LJ say it was his worst moment in football. Don’t know why, but I had kind of hoped losing the 2008 playoff final might have been worse, but apparently not. But, but, but...he loves us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 12 minutes ago, Mike Hunt-Hertz said: But, but, but...he loves us! Well he must do to a point because he became a millionaire on the back of this club or at least it’s owner anyway………. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 8 hours ago, Davefevs said: LJ still lives in our heads. He did good things and bad things. I think it was a divisive appointment, and he was always gonna divide opinions as a result. I do think his heart was in the right place, but I think there are insecurities there too….and that came out in interviews. I think he desperately cared about Bristol City, but I think he got led astray by Ashton, and allowed himself to be led astray, they fed off each other’s egos. Met him a couple of times. An alright bloke. Would love to sit and listen to him talk tactics etc, but probably wouldn’t want to go down the pub with him and put the non-football world to rights. Entirely down to his father who’s shadow he lived in the vast majority of his professional football career and to a lesser degree his managerial career. LJ desperately wants to achieve in football without his fathers input. His appointment at Sunderland might well be the opportunity to do just that. I hope he succeeds there. I met him a couple of times and the only subject he could converse in was football and you’re right that putting the world to rights over a few pints would not be his forte. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley_Smith10 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 He’s just been sacked 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Finley_Smith10 said: He’s just been sacked Yeap! That Bolton result clearly hit them hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsKev Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Finley_Smith10 said: He’s just been sacked No big surprise in all honesty, new owner has been looking for the opportunity since taking over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.G.Red Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Just reported that LJ has left Sunderland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Finley_Smith10 said: He’s just been sacked Just saw that extraordinary really, playoffs still very doable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Sacked. Said from day one he was a ******* idiot for taking that job. He’ll struggle to get anything above a league one job now, yet left us with very high stock. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 3 losses in 13 games and 3rd in the league. Very surprised he’s been sacked. Sunderland fans are an odd bunch. One minute they love him and when he loses one or two games they want him gone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Amazing really. Of course a appalling result yesterday but playoffs still very doable I would have thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 I know they lost 6 0 but that’s madness, they’re still well in the mix for auto. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Not his biggest fan but seems quite harsh on him given league position. Looks from the outside he was doing alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Have nothing against LJ. Think he is a flawed manager but clearly does his best. Would have liked to see him succeed really at Sunderland, but the kind of role you either succeed or fail in a season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Even I Find that ridiculous Basket case of a club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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2015 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Lets hope we don't lose a couple now as there will be a few calling for him to come back Bit reactionary from Sunderland though being 3rd and all that 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 #notasgoodasCotts 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 https://rokerreport.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2022/1/30/22909338/lee-johnson-sacked-as-sunderland-head-coach indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Taylor Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 The craziness of shareholders demanding success which is never guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeez Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 The owners must have looked at his track record & are preemptively avoiding the inevitable Feb Mar losing streak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 minute ago, 2015 said: Lets hope we don't lose a couple now as there will be a few calling for him to come back Bit reactionary from Sunderland though being 3rd and all that Really?? It must be a tiny few, surely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gert Mare Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Shame, they had at least another 8-10 games to lose in a row Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: #notasgoodasCotts I bet you are as hard as a rock right now 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Some saying Grant McCann going there but I`d reckon their owner will want a name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeez Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Northern Red said: Ridiculous. I like him but a team vying for promotion do not lose 6:0. Think they’ll look back at this as a brutal but smart move if they hire the right successor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Usually I’m all in favour of giving manager’s time, and the timing here does seem odd. However something doesn’t seem quite right there (a team In the top 3 losing 6-0 to modest opposition) and given LJ’s propensity for streaky results, maybe a new manager bounce might actually give them the push they need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 No surprise as Sunderland seems to be one of those clubs where the owners and supporters think they are big and guaranteed success regardless the state the club is in. I’m not a fan of LJ but I think he did an ok job considering what he inherited. He, nor anybody else, was going to be given time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Jamie Mac gone with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, ralphindevon said: Really?? It must be a tiny few, surely Been heard as a chant at a few away games we want Lee Johnson back. I can't stick the guy tbh but I understand he is a bit like marmite and has big fans here. I just worry he'll come back as Manager that's all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 If LJ comes back I will dance a merry jig. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley_Smith10 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Just now, And Its Smith said: If LJ comes back I will dance a merry jig. Why would he come back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Mental - they are third, nothing should surprise me anymore with these stupid owners mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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