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1 minute ago, Bristolisredd said:

Congratulations to sammie on promotion to the championship ... seems to have been pivotal in Peterborough’s success. 
 

will be interesting to see how he does in the championship after a run of games 

I hope he proves that he wasn’t good enough for the Championship.

If he tears it up it will be a bit hard for us to swallow.

 

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9 minutes ago, Bristolisredd said:

Congratulations to sammie on promotion to the championship ... seems to have been pivotal in Peterborough’s success. 
 

will be interesting to see how he does in the championship after a run of games 

Absolutely so.

Certainly can argue he never got a chance, from memory he only got an hour in one game v Swansea & 2 brief-ish sub appearances.

For those who claim he is someone we miss, I genuinely don’t know how you can have an opinion either way, based on that tiny sample size.

What this season has showed is that he is clearly very good at League One level, but for him & Peterborough, next season will be a totally different test.

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1960maaan

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Another pointless Johnson signing. Buy him, give him a pre season then run after Palmer when Swansea showed interest. Felt sorry for him here.

Footage of LJ at the time.

 

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Too difficult to have an opinion either way based on his time here. Certainy done well at Peterborough this year though. Not that doing well at Peterborough means anything that much -  they are THE Championship/League 1 yo-yo club. They've had their usual good time in League 1 and on past evidence it would surprise none of us if they struggled next year, Sammie included. It's what they do.

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43 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Absolutely so.

Certainly can argue he never got a chance, from memory he only got an hour in one game v Swansea & 2 brief-ish sub appearances.

For those who claim he is someone we miss, I genuinely don’t know how you can have an opinion either way, based on that tiny sample size.

What this season has showed is that he is clearly very good at League One level, but for him & Peterborough, next season will be a totally different test.

Very hard for any creative player to thrive in our negative system at that time

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Unfortunately, when he did get game time here, he had about as much effect on the match as an advertising hoarding.

Whether he should have had more time is a moot point.  That he didn't impress when he was on the pitch is not.

He was a young player and he may well have developed to be a lot sharper than he was in 2019.

But time will tell if he is ready for the Championship now. Lots of third tier players look great at that level, but cannot take the step up. Matty Taylor scored a lot of goals in L1. Few in the Championship. 

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Hopefully he has a great season and gets named player of the year, if Toney went for that much in league 1 imagine how much McAnthony would want for Szmodics in the championship. All the while we’re sat waiting with our sell on clause……

 

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1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

Absolutely so.

Certainly can argue he never got a chance, from memory he only got an hour in one game v Swansea & 2 brief-ish sub appearances.

For those who claim he is someone we miss, I genuinely don’t know how you can have an opinion either way, based on that tiny sample size.

What this season has showed is that he is clearly very good at League One level, but for him & Peterborough, next season will be a totally different test.

Not forgetting his speedy Gonzalez demeanour in the pre season friendly at the New Lawn. At that venue I had just returned from buying two teas after a painfully long queue only to see near as damn get blown away by a Szmodics blast over the bar that ricocheted off a brick wall; he was, alas, a near miss for City as well 

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19 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

Hopefully he has a great season and gets named player of the year, if Toney went for that much in league 1 imagine how much McAnthony would want for Szmodics in the championship. All the while we’re sat waiting with our sell on clause……

 

Why do you hope that a Peterborough player gets named player of the year? 

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45 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Unfortunately, when he did get game time here, he had about as much effect on the match as an advertising hoarding.

Whether he should have had more time is a moot point.  That he didn't impress when he was on the pitch is not.

Wow....you’ve based that critique on 1 start and 2 sub appearances.

Hardly fair for a young players first couple of outings in the championship.....what were you expecting, a messi-like impact?

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I did feel for him when he was here to be honest, people will say that when he was given opportunities he didn’t perform but if a manager doesn’t put his arm around you and give you that confidence certain players will naturally feel not wanted.

For me this situation highlighted massively LJ’s lack of man management skills, you can’t just stock pile players in real life and keep them for a rainy day.. your dealing with human beings and having the ability to make everyone feel wanted is massively  important. I think that is why Pearson and many other more experienced managers would rather not have huge squads of players especially if you don’t particularly rate the fringe squad players that you have.. it becomes a pointless exercise for both parties, an un-happy un-confident player and a wage that would be much better spent elsewhere!

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5 minutes ago, bris red said:

I did feel for him when he was here to be honest, people will say that when he was given opportunities he didn’t perform but if a manager doesn’t put his arm around you and give you that confidence certain players will naturally feel not wanted.

For me this situation highlighted massively LJ’s lack of man management skills, you can’t just stock pile players in real life and keep them for a rainy day.. your dealing with human beings and having the ability to make everyone feel wanted is massive important. I think that is why Pearson and many other more experienced managers would rather not have huge squads of players especially if you don’t particularly rate the fringe squad players that you have.. it becomes a pointless exercise for both parties, an un-happy un-confident player and a wage that would be much better spent elsewhere!

So true ?

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25 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Why do you hope that a Peterborough player gets named player of the year? 

For the reason listed in the post, Peterborough sell for big money and we get a healthy chunk from our sell on clause 

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17 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

Wow....you’ve based that critique on 1 start and 2 sub appearances.

Hardly fair for a young players first couple of outings in the championship.....what were you expecting, a messi-like impact?

 No and you obviously didn't read my post.

To recap:

Whether he should have had more time is a moot point.  That he didn't impress when he was on the pitch is not.  He was a young player and he may well have developed to be a lot sharper than he was in 2019.

 

PS: 2 starts and 2 sub appearances

 

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 No and you obviously didn't read my post.

To recap:

Whether he should have had more time is a moot point.  That he didn't impress when he was on the pitch is not.

 

IMO he was never going to get a decent chance. We had Johnson doing his impression of a 5 year old at Christmas, always more interested in the next present . Szmodics had by all reports, had a good pre season. Then LJ gets his new toy in Palmer, who we paid more for and got a run. Not sure what he was supposed to do without getting a game or two. played a total of 107 minutes over 3/4 games, 1 start. Just had a quick look, in and out of the squad, on the bench one week and not the next. I think that speaks more about Johnsons fickle team choices than anything that Szmodics did.
Whether he was good enough then or now is questionable, it just grates a little that our recruitment would spot and sign a player, only to sign another that clearly played in the same sort of position and would play ahead of him, senseless , and yet very Lee Johnson.

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1 minute ago, 1960maaan said:

IMO he was never going to get a decent chance. We had Johnson doing his impression of a 5 year old at Christmas, always more interested in the next present . Szmodics had by all reports, had a good pre season. Then LJ gets his new toy in Palmer, who we paid more for and got a run. Not sure what he was supposed to do without getting a game or two. played a total of 107 minutes over 3/4 games, 1 start. Just had a quick look, in and out of the squad, on the bench one week and not the next. I think that speaks more about Johnsons fickle team choices than anything that Szmodics did.
Whether he was good enough then or now is questionable, it just grates a little that our recruitment would spot and sign a player, only to sign another that clearly played in the same sort of position and would play ahead of him, senseless , and yet very Lee Johnson.

 

Well, he is Mo Eisa the 2nd.  Eisa also scored 16 goals for Peterborough in the season we released him. 

What we don't know is how Szmodics performed off pitch.  Maybe Johnson and Holden didn't really think he was all that there.

Should we have kept him? Dunno. He didn't really show much promise in his 4 appearances. It's a steep learning curve and even having one player who is off the pace will knacker teams.

My sole point is that assuming someone who has a decent scoring record in L1 will also have a decent scoring record in the Championship is a leap of faith. The level is very different.

Szmodics scored a goal every three games for Colchester. But that was in L2

 

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17 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

IMO he was never going to get a decent chance. We had Johnson doing his impression of a 5 year old at Christmas, always more interested in the next present . Szmodics had by all reports, had a good pre season. Then LJ gets his new toy in Palmer, who we paid more for and got a run. Not sure what he was supposed to do without getting a game or two. played a total of 107 minutes over 3/4 games, 1 start. Just had a quick look, in and out of the squad, on the bench one week and not the next. I think that speaks more about Johnsons fickle team choices than anything that Szmodics did.
Whether he was good enough then or now is questionable, it just grates a little that our recruitment would spot and sign a player, only to sign another that clearly played in the same sort of position and would play ahead of him, senseless , and yet very Lee Johnson.

Szmodics wasn’t standing out in u23’s games when I watched them, if he’s not standing out at that standard why would he get more first team minutes? I think we were too quick to sell him but loaning to league 1 was the right move and should have been integrated this season 

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9 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

 I think we were too quick to sell him but loaning to league 1 was the right move and should have been integrated this season 

Maybe. I will be interested to see whether Walsh signs a new contract. Having a good season in L1 might leave a player feeling they'd be better off elsewhere. That has been my feeling with LW since his Coventry loan. 

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28 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

Szmodics wasn’t standing out in u23’s games when I watched them, if he’s not standing out at that standard why would he get more first team minutes? I think we were too quick to sell him but loaning to league 1 was the right move and should have been integrated this season 

Made the bench fairly often, must have been in Johnsons plans to some extent, plus I'm not sure U23's is a good judging point for a few reasons .Not too sure the players that have turned out this year while getting fit would have looked like World beaters.

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LJ didnt hardly play Eisa Sczmodics Adelakun Engval etc etc etc. But he was responsible for bringing them in, unless you believe Mark Ashton did it, without consent.

I don’t think Engval is making to many waves (someone who cares please let me know). Eisa and Sczmodics now have a promotion and Adelakun, who knows what’s ahead for him....I guess Nige has seen the vids!

 

 

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To be fair I wouldn't be surprised to see Kasey Palmer get good numbers in league one.

 

To be fair I wouldn't be surprised to see Kasey Palmer get good numbers in league one.

 

To be fair I wouldn't be surprised to see Kasey Palmer get good numbers in league one.

 

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14 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/football/peterborough-united/peterborough-united-reject-three-bids-for-sammie-szmodics-from-a-championship-club-3777192
 

Sell on Clause?

I like the sound of the “tramsfer window” that Barry Fry refers to! It would probably work best within Manchester though …

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It's been mentioned before, but worth saying again (as in New York, New York so good they named it twice) - it was crazy to sign Kasey Palmer after signing Szmodics. Without Palmer Szmodics might have had a chance with City

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4 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

It's been mentioned before, but worth saying again (as in New York, New York so good they named it twice) - it was crazy to sign Kasey Palmer after signing Szmodics. Without Palmer Szmodics might have had a chance with City

I still find the signing of Palmer the most baffling since Terry Cooper signed Jimmy Harvey in 1987, played him three times and immediately sold him again.

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56 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

I still find the signing of Palmer the most baffling since Terry Cooper signed Jimmy Harvey in 1987, played him three times and immediately sold him again.

 

Surely you can return a product that is faulty for up to a month under the Sale & Goods Act. ;)

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1 hour ago, pongo88 said:

It's been mentioned before, but worth saying again (as in New York, New York so good they named it twice) - it was crazy to sign Kasey Palmer after signing Szmodics. Without Palmer Szmodics might have had a chance with City

I don't get this. If szmodics wasn't good enough to dislodge Palmer from the team and then Palmer wasn't good enough for the team why would szmodics then be good enough.

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2 hours ago, Littlesh*t said:

I don't get this. If szmodics wasn't good enough to dislodge Palmer from the team and then Palmer wasn't good enough for the team why would szmodics then be good enough.

I agree that it does seem strange. I suppose it’s all about opinions. My logic is that only one of Palmer or Szmodics could play in the team at any time, as they had a similar playing style. During the season Szmodics was at City he only played 3 league matches whilst Palmer played 25. Szmodics wasn’t brilliant, but he was young, had come from Colchester, and needed time to adapt to Championship football. He didn’t get time.  Palmer, on the other hand played 25 matches. The first 5 or 6 when Benik Afobe was in the team Palmer played well but after Afobe was injured he was average to poor. I think LJ stuck with Palmer because he was the big money signing and he was convinced he could turn him into a good player. If Palmer hadn’t  been there Szmodics would probably have had more starts and may have developed into the good player he is now. 
 
At the end of the season one of them had to go. It had to be Szmodics as City wouldn’t have been able to sell Palmer and recover the fee paid. (And probably because Lee Johnson and Mark Ashton didn’t want to admit they had made a mistake. As I said, this is just an option and hindsight is a good thing 

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6 hours ago, Littlesh*t said:

I don't get this. If szmodics wasn't good enough to dislodge Palmer from the team and then Palmer wasn't good enough for the team why would szmodics then be good enough.

Probably end up at Coventry with Palmer again !!!!

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17 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

I still find the signing of Palmer the most baffling since Terry Cooper signed Jimmy Harvey in 1987, played him three times and immediately sold him again.

Beginning of the end for poor TC around then. Tony Caldwell signed the same year and only 17 games. A few months in to '88 and TC was gone. A year or so later JJ brings in Gary Shelton in midfield and Bob Taylor up front. Bit more like it.

Someone should start a football programme: Recruitment, Recruitment, Recruitment. 

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23 hours ago, pongo88 said:


 
At the end of the season one of them had to go. It had to be Szmodics as City wouldn’t have been able to sell Palmer and recover the fee paid. (And probably because Lee Johnson and Mark Ashton didn’t want to admit they had made a mistake. As I said, this is just an option and hindsight is a good thing 

Exactly the same as the Pato v Palmer dilemma at the end of the season before last. Pato had to go.

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On 21/07/2022 at 16:39, Red-Robbo said:

 

Surely you can return a product that is faulty for up to a month under the Sale & Goods Act. ;)

That's why we should in future only buy players via the internet. No quibble return policy within 14 days.

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3 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

And when the box arrives you think it contains a 6`5` CB but when you take out all the packaging it`s actually a 5`2` winger..........

Plus the goods are damaged, requiring 6 months on the treatment table and another 6 months 'on the grass'

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Beginning of the end for poor TC around then. Tony Caldwell signed the same year and only 17 games. A few months in to '88 and TC was gone. A year or so later JJ brings in Gary Shelton in midfield and Bob Taylor up front. Bit more like it.

Someone should start a football programme: Recruitment, Recruitment, Recruitment. 

Also the case that before JJ brought in Super Bob & Shelts, he signed Scott McGarvey from Grimsby (with Tony Caldwell going the other way) & Gary Stanley.

That definitely wasn’t a “bit more like it”.

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26 minutes ago, BLRed said:

Set to sign for blackburn for 2.5mill. We likely due a reasonable sell on fee here? 10-20% of 1.7mill? Every little helps

I wonder if the sell on filters down to Colchester still?

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We sold him to Posh for circa £1m & will definitely have inserted a sell on (we always do), so something (my hunch is around £300k) would come our way.

Definitely not the player I expected us to make money on this summer & have to say I don’t understand Blackburn’s logic here at all.

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11 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

We sold him to Posh for circa £1m & will definitely have inserted a sell on (we always do), so something (my hunch is around £300k) would come our way.

Definitely not the player I expected us to make money on this summer & have to say I don’t understand Blackburn’s logic here at all.

Bradley Dack`s injury problems over the last few seasons have perhaps forced their hand?

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1 hour ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Bradley Dack`s injury problems over the last few seasons have perhaps forced their hand?

Maybe but I’m really not sure Szmodics is “all that”.

Last season he scored just 5, 2 of which came on the last day of the season when they had already been relegated for a few weeks, 2 of the other 3 came in the game against us. He had just 1 assist all season.

There are a lot of better players than him out there & frankly I’m amazed they are looking to spend this amount on him.

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10 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Maybe but I’m really not sure Szmodics is “all that”.

Last season he scored just 5, 2 of which came on the last day of the season when they had already been relegated for a few weeks, 2 of the other 3 came in the game against us. He had just 1 assist all season.

There are a lot of better players than him out there & frankly I’m amazed they are looking to spend this amount on him.

If he’s the shining light in a relegation team then that lends itself to being better in a better team maybe. 

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31 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

If he’s the shining light in a relegation team then that lends itself to being better in a better team maybe. 

I’m not even sure he was that, I’m no Jonson Clarke-Harris fan but I’d argue a dozen goals in a relegated side is fairly decent, plus one of their centre backs (Edwards) was in the same England squad as Alex Scott.

He’s a 6/10 player at most.

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3 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Maybe but I’m really not sure Szmodics is “all that”.

Last season he scored just 5, 2 of which came on the last day of the season when they had already been relegated for a few weeks, 2 of the other 3 came in the game against us. He had just 1 assist all season.

There are a lot of better players than him out there & frankly I’m amazed they are looking to spend this amount on him.

I think he could do well with better players around him but we shall see. If Blackburn are expecting to sell Brereton-Diaz for big money then the cash isn`t perhaps as important.

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5 hours ago, GrahamC said:

We sold him to Posh for circa £1m & will definitely have inserted a sell on (we always do), so something (my hunch is around £300k) would come our way.

Definitely not the player I expected us to make money on this summer & have to say I don’t understand Blackburn’s logic here at all.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-set-surprising-windfall-7399899

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