Kid in the Riot Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Palace interested apparently. Want him for £3m. We want £5m. Don't shoot the messenger And, in anticipation of the "hahaha bite their hands off for £3m" posts, I don't necessarily disagree. However, word of caution: we all said the same regarding one Yannick Bolasie. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGBjammy Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 If this deal is being negotiated, who exactly is doing the negotiating on our side? Ashton still? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Palace interested apparently. Want him for £3m. We want £5m. Don't shoot the messenger And, in anticipation of the "hahaha bite their hands off for £3m" posts, I don't necessarily disagree. However, word of caution: we all said the same regarding one Yannick Bolasie. Am I the only person still not rating Yannick Bolasie then? I thought Palace got lucky that Everton paniced enough to splurge on him. I suppose if you get on the PL merry-go-round all the numbers start to look silly. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) 2 years left on contract. Should we look again in Jan 2022 if things not going well maybe...unless we get an absurd offer of course. Not that I think valuation would necessarily be unfair but I dunno- we have built up some headroom now and it would be good if we used it, only selling if a great offer. Edited May 11, 2021 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 I feel if we meet in the middle at 4, that’s good business by us. Almost a million a goal for this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire reds Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 i think 3 mil plus add ons will be a good deal for us. but who is dealing with transfers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, BCFCGav said: I feel if we meet in the middle at 4, that’s good business by us. Almost a million a goal for this season. With the usual add ons . When a Prem club shows an interest it is nigh on impossible to refuse the player the chance to secure their future. So it looks like we’ve seen the last of AS in a City shirt. I had hoped we would benefit from a Bobby Reid style season from the lad next season. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Yes please. Goodbye, good luck. Not saying he won't have a career, he's just not what we need right here, right now. 9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 If Eze is sold then can see this going through pretty quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 It depends on what the 3, 4 or 5 million gets us in this market. If we get the next Toney then great - if we get the next Brunt then not so keen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Ah, Semenyo... He’s one of those players and at his age, it’s difficult to weigh up because he could be so so good. I wouldn’t like to be in the board room for this one... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 23 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Palace interested apparently. Want him for £3m. We want £5m. Don't shoot the messenger And, in anticipation of the "hahaha bite their hands off for £3m" posts, I don't necessarily disagree. However, word of caution: we all said the same regarding one Yannick Bolasie. I think both clubs are in the right ball-park, he’s in that £3-5m range imho. Few appearance based add-ons and a sell-on and I think you have to take it. I think there are players out there that will suit Nige’s team system better. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Do think once he starts finding the net will score loads as can hit the ball well with both feet, so could be worth very good money one day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 For a young player who cost us nothing. And whilst he has potential if we sold him to palace for 4 million I wouldn’t be to disappointed. Especially seeing the next crop of youngsters coming through. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 For 3 or 5 mil, I wouldn't entertain a sell. He isn't experienced enough to be bothering a Premier League first team, and he is a strong first half of next season to being worth 3 times as much. I'd roll the dice and go again. 15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Zod Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 3-5 million seems very little money for a young player with so much potential. Having to get rid of this type of player before they’d had a chance to shine, just to fund a rebuild frustrates me especially when you look at how much we’ve wasted on our scattergun approach to buying players over the past few years. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: For a young player who cost us nothing. And whilst he has potential if we sold him to palace for 4 million I wouldn’t be to disappointed. Especially seeing the next crop of youngsters coming through. I kinda agree, though it would be nice to keep him for another year to give the youngsters the chance and develop further. Cant see anyway the club will turn down multi million fees this summer for anyone! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 35 minutes ago, YGBjammy said: If this deal is being negotiated, who exactly is doing the negotiating on our side? Ashton still? Doris the tea lady? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Simon bristol said: I kinda agree, though it would be nice to keep him for another year to give the youngsters the chance and develop further. Cant see anyway the club will turn down multi million fees this summer for anyone! It is a tricky one for the club and the two posts above yours I can relate to. The lad has potential but he hasn’t started as much lately under NP. I can see him leaving and the OP has form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 If we rate him highly we should do a Peterborough. Tell Palace the asking price is £10m. If they stump it up, great. If not, he’s stays with us and potentially increases above that value. 13 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Palace interested apparently. Want him for £3m. We want £5m. Don't shoot the messenger And, in anticipation of the "hahaha bite their hands off for £3m" posts, I don't necessarily disagree. However, word of caution: we all said the same regarding one Yannick Bolasie. We didn’t ‘all’ say the same ... it amazes me how people think they can talk on behalf of every single Bristol City fan ... Edited May 11, 2021 by BS4 on Tour... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Harry said: If we rate him highly we should do a Peterborough. Tell Palace the asking price is £10m. If they stump it up, great. If not, he’s stays with us and potentially increases above that value. This. Get the idea that books need to be balanced, but not to the detriment of a lad who would be unlikely to get a game, and in 6 or 12 months could be worth a bundle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEd73 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 I'd take £3m cash and negotiate a 12 month loan back for next season included as part of the deal. Gives us cash and a player that we know has some ability. He'd likely be off next summer anyway with only 12 months left on his current contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly The Kid Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Harry said: If we rate him highly we should do a Peterborough. Tell Palace the asking price is £10m. If they stump it up, great. If not, he’s stays with us and potentially increases above that value. Not under the current coaching set up he won't. Here's to change. I think to a degree NP has one hand tied behind his back. The budget simply isn't there to make wholesale changes to the backing staff. Our kids seem to make good progress up to first team level then hit a brick wall. Desperately hoping this will change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Just now, RedEd73 said: I'd take £3m cash and negotiate a 12 month loan back for next season included as part of the deal. Gives us cash and a player that we know has some ability. He'd likely be off next summer anyway with only 12 months left on his current contract. Yeah, for 12 or 15 mil if he does the business whilst on 'loan' from his new club. We would effectively sell him for peanuts, develop him further and see none of the financial benefits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 33 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Yes please. Goodbye, good luck. Not saying he won't have a career, he's just not what we need right here, right now. spot on. He's got top level potential but not really top half championship ready. Not only would it get revenue in but it would allow 2 or 3 new signings of the right age and experience at this level. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Phillythe kid said: Not under the current coaching set up he won't. Here's to change. I think to a degree NP has one hand tied behind his back. The budget simply isn't there to make wholesale changes to the backing staff. Our kids seem to make good progress up to first team level then hit a brick wall. Desperately hoping this will change. How much do you think a second tier coach earns? I'd probably be lucky to find a competent manager for the same sort of wedge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 I rate Semenyo. He's a great athlete - quick, strong, and powerful. He's very direct and dangerous with the ball at his feet. I think he's probably better in front of goal than many would give him credit for (any attacking player would have struggled for goals in our team this season). Given his age and the amount of potential he has, £3m - £5m seems like a pretty low fee. The big problem is that it's hard (for me at least) to know where the market is right now following COVID. What does £5m buy you right now? Is £5m this summer the equivalent of £10m in previous years? Frankly, I have no idea - but that makes it so difficult to get an understanding of what a "good fee" might be 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 I find it disappointing that after a season when he has improved so much that their are rumours we might be selling him. How does the team/squad ever improve by continuing to do this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 5m in the summer would be worth a hell of a lot considering the lack of income and the market. Yes he could easily be worth double that in 12 months time but then that 10m isn't as useful as the 3-5m would be now. Long story short I am clueless as to what to do. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakes Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 3M snap their hands off IMO does not have the ability to play anywhere near the premier league let alone the championship. 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 I can see why Palace are interested, as his despite his lack of goals, he’s quick, strong & direct. Only 21 so still plenty of time to improve, however if we can get Palace to raise the price to £4m I’d still sell, unlike Toney, the lad isn’t a goalscorer & let’s face it, for a kid from London the possibility of playing in the Prem for a London team is going to turn his head. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley_Smith10 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 3-5m probably is about right regarding him as a player rn. However why not just hang on see if he develops more next season then potentially sell him on for maybe 3/4x times that amount. I’m sure the players out of contract frees up a lot of wages in regards to signing others that will suit Nige’s system. Don’t need to sell surely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Redrascal2 said: I find it disappointing that after a season when he has improved so much that their are rumours we might be selling him. How does the team/squad ever improve by continuing to do this. See I can understand this point too. I’m really unsure on this one, especially as this season has been Semenyo’s breakthrough. He is bound to improve so I would be a little disappointed if he was to leave this soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Just don’t let him run his contract down. Diedhiou has done it and players will take notice of that . Could scare the club into reacting earlier than they want to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Finley_Smith10 said: However why not just hang on see if he develops more next season then potentially sell him on for maybe 3/4x times that amount. Because: 1. He may not 2. You destroy his dreams and aspirations 3. You destroy the dreams and aspirations of every other youngster in the club and every other youngster in the world will think twice or three times before signing up. Edited May 11, 2021 by Hxj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Semenyo is a lottery ticket. He is one of the very few players we have that raises the excitement levels when he gets the ball. He is young and might become something special. No one however can know that for sure. Will he deliver that potential or become, well, a bit of a Junior Bent? Given where we are right now, I am not sure we can take that risk. A bigger club can. It all comes down to what can we get for that kind of money in this market. For sure it might be one of those we look back on and regret if he goes. Equally, lots of unpolished diamonds stay exactly that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted May 11, 2021 Author Share Posted May 11, 2021 21 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: We didn’t ‘all’ say the same ... it amazes me how people think they can talk on behalf of every single Bristol City fan ... You've been a member of this forum since 2004 so I look forward to you providing the links to posts where you said Bolasie would be a £25m player after leaving us, playing for one of the biggest clubs in England. Yours, in anticipation... 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said: I rate Semenyo. He's a great athlete - quick, strong, and powerful. He's very direct and dangerous with the ball at his feet. I think he's probably better in front of goal than many would give him credit for (any attacking player would have struggled for goals in our team this season). Given his age and the amount of potential he has, £3m - £5m seems like a pretty low fee. The big problem is that it's hard (for me at least) to know where the market is right now following COVID. What does £5m buy you right now? Is £5m this summer the equivalent of £10m in previous years? Frankly, I have no idea - but that makes it so difficult to get an understanding of what a "good fee" might be You make a good point about the unknown market. I do expect the lack of fees paid last summer and January to continue outside of the PP clubs. 11 minutes ago, Shtanley said: 5m in the summer would be worth a hell of a lot considering the lack of income and the market. Yes he could easily be worth double that in 12 months time but then that 10m isn't as useful as the 3-5m would be now. Long story short I am clueless as to what to do. Could fund 5 free transfers on £20k p.w. That will give us an advantage over some clubs we’d be competing with for the players we need to improve us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 @Kid in the Riotyouve gone very early this window. Haven’t even had the released list yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hxj said: Because: 1. He may not 2. You destroy his dreams and aspirations 3. You destroy the dreams and aspirations of every other youngster in the club and every other youngster in the world will think twice or three times before signing up. So we should become a club that underselling our ambition and accepts the first bit of interest... Surely a young player will be more sold on, 'this club wants to go places, and we want you to be part of that journey. Not only will you get games and be in the shop window if you perform as we think you can, why move clubs on a 4 year deal worth 12k a week, when with a strong 6 months, you could move on a 4 year deal on 25k a week.... ' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I think both clubs are in the right ball-park, he’s in that £3-5m range imho. Few appearance based add-ons and a sell-on and I think you have to take it. I think there are players out there that will suit Nige’s team system better. Whos negotiating this would Ashton still be in this process? It does seem around the right figure and if we can get add-ons and a sell on it would be good business.. It's how we put that money back in the team and now hopefully Pearson can add quality if this happens. Edited May 11, 2021 by Street red 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: You've been a member of this forum since 2004 so I look forward to you providing the links to posts where you said Bolasie would be a £25m player after leaving us, playing for one of the biggest clubs in England. Yours, in anticipation... Have to be honest, I called Bolasie as being better than Albert. And worth more. However, this is partly because a mutual friend of ours was less welcome at Ashton Gate at the time and never got to see him play, so I was being deliberately challenging. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Just don’t let him run his contract down. Diedhiou has done it and players will take notice of that . Could scare the club into reacting earlier than they want to He’s too young to run his contract down, as we would get compensation provided we had offered him another, a completely different scenario to Diedhiou. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Can’t say I’d lose any sleep. Yeh, he was YPOTS, but he didn’t exactly have any competition did he? Lets be realistic, would he have played anywhere near as many games if we’d had a fully fit squad? Not a chance. Cash in. Add the mandatory sell on clause and job done. If we could only keep one, I’d much rather keep Liam Walsh* *although I appreciate this isn’t a real scenario. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted May 11, 2021 Author Share Posted May 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: @Kid in the Riotyouve gone very early this window. Haven’t even had the released list yet. I've got nothing to lose, Dave A dangerous ITK'er 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: Have to be honest, I called Bolasie as being better than Albert. And worth more. However, this is partly because a mutual friend of ours was less welcome at Ashton Gate at the time and never got to see him play, so I was being deliberately challenging. True. @Kid in the RiotI can confirm Bristol Rob called it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, GrahamC said: He’s too young to run his contract down, as we would get compensation provided we had offered him another, a completely different scenario to Diedhiou. Thanks Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: I've got nothing to lose, Dave A dangerous ITK'er The worst kind 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) I rate Semenyo and think he has potential but £5 million is a fair offer. It is a good price and there is no guarantee he will fulfil his potential. With the number of other youngsters coming through, I’d be okay with a sale. He could be the next Bolasie but he could equality be the next Ribeiro or the next Rolando Aarons... Re Bolasie, I thought he deserved more starts and felt he’d do well at another club but certainly would never have predicted quite how well! Edited May 11, 2021 by LondonBristolian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted May 11, 2021 Author Share Posted May 11, 2021 Just now, Davefevs said: The worst kind Just ask Mark Ashton 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 A tough one. Part of me says negotiate 4m and run, but another says do another season with better coaching and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Just now, Kid in the Riot said: Just ask Mark Ashton Any truth in the McKenzie rumour, my greatest ITKer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 We’ve got to rebuild. A major rebuild. Otherwise, the future looks bleak. We need to act quick, weld a team together in a couple of months. Four or five positions need strengthening with incomers that can perform consistently at Championship level. A £4 million offer early in the window would be just fine. Personally, I’d take the £3 million. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 How odd...it literally crossed my mind the other day as to who would come calling for Semenyo. Palace screamed at me...he is totally a Palace type player. Semenyo literally is the biggest dilemma I've ever seen as a player for us. He's so unatural it's confusing. He's big, strong, direct for his age, but has the composure of a 17 year old in front of Kylie when in front of goal. Literally watch every pass, shot or control ..tell me it isn't crisp, controlled or composed.....so, so frustrating. Like Harry...I'd be pushing for more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 minute ago, RUSSEL85 said: A tough one. Part of me says negotiate 4m and run, but another says do another season with better coaching and see what happens. Yep, know what’s you mean. He’s one of those players isn’t he? Raw, oodles of potential…..but what if this is him near peak? I don’t think we are in a position to turn it down with a rebuild needed. It could mean we can hold out on bids for Bentley for example, or go that extra yard to get another player over the line. Bigger picture at play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 minute ago, spudski said: How odd...it literally crossed my mind the other day as to who would come calling for Semenyo. Palace screamed at me...he is totally a Palace type player. Semenyo literally is the biggest dilemma I've ever seen as a player for us. He's so unatural it's confusing. He's big, strong, direct for his age, but has the composure of a 17 year old in front of Kylie when in front of goal. Literally watch every pass, shot or control ..tell me it isn't crisp, controlled or composed.....so, so frustrating. Like Harry...I'd be pushing for more. Danni was more of a “keeper” for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Just now, Davefevs said: Danni was more of a “keeper” for me. She's pure filth however...after Hutch got hold of Kylie I expect similar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 27 minutes ago, GrahamC said: I can see why Palace are interested, as his despite his lack of goals, he’s quick, strong & direct. Only 21 so still plenty of time to improve, however if we can get Palace to raise the price to £4m I’d still sell, unlike Toney, the lad isn’t a goalscorer & let’s face it, for a kid from London the possibility of playing in the Prem for a London team is going to turn his head. Strange one isn't he? That goal against Millwall in the cup, i thought "wow he has the ability to do that". Plus the 5/6 assists that he got in the first half of the season. I didn't rate him at all, based on the evidence of the 19/20 season. But i thought i would have to reevaluate my thinking around him. However, second half of the season (like everyone else), his overall performances were not of the same standard. His two league goals consist of 2 x chasing down the keeper, and the ball coming off his ass. He's not a natural goalscorer, in the way that Conway and Britton have demonstrated for the under 23s, and first team. In that case, what sort of player is he? In the current climate £4-5m affords us the capability to get 3/4 other players in to help with the rebuild. I have no problem with him going for that figure. But a lot will depend on how we replace him. That will be the indication of whether we've learned from our previous mistakes; and that the new processes/talent id process is working in the way we hope it will. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) A really interesting one to balance. We can safely say that £5m would be very welcome this summer, and as a few have pointed out, we probably don't have too many we can realistically sell for that kind of money right now. Personally I'd lean towards selling now, banking the cash, and reinvesting. I think we've seen the dangers of frustrating players that want to move, and running down contracts in the hope of getting "one more good season" out of a player isn't something I want to become standard. On top of that, would that represent £0 - £5m in 4 seasons for Semenyo? Some return if so, especially considering he's had a solid, but far from spectacular season. Edited May 11, 2021 by ExiledAjax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted May 11, 2021 Author Share Posted May 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, spudski said: How odd...it literally crossed my mind the other day as to who would come calling for Semenyo. Palace screamed at me...he is totally a Palace type player. Semenyo literally is the biggest dilemma I've ever seen as a player for us. He's so unatural it's confusing. He's big, strong, direct for his age, but has the composure of a 17 year old in front of Kylie when in front of goal. Literally watch every pass, shot or control ..tell me it isn't crisp, controlled or composed.....so, so frustrating. Like Harry...I'd be pushing for more. Composure...OK, in an unimpressive season for City, the guy has most assists out of anybody... so there is some end product there. My view is that he is a Nige type player. He likes players with pace and power. So, on balance, I think I'd be disappointed to lose Semenyo. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) If Palace really want him they’ll pay the 5M. Problem is they’ll let it go down to the wire, which won’t help our forward planning. Ideally, if we let it known we’re willing to sell, we might drum up a counter offer from another club which might force Palace off the pot, earlier rather than later. Edited May 11, 2021 by Malago 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 minute ago, ncnsbcfc said: Strange one isn't he? That goal against Millwall in the cup, i thought "wow he has the ability to do that". Plus the 5/6 assists that he got in the first half of the season. I didn't rate him at all, based on the evidence of the 19/20 season. But i thought i would have to reevaluate my thinking around him. However, second half of the season (like everyone else), his overall performances were not of the same standard. His two league goals consist of 2 x chasing down the keeper, and the ball coming off his ass. He's not a natural goalscorer, in the way that Conway and Britton have demonstrated for the under 23s, and first team. In that case, what sort of player is he? In the current climate £4-5m affords us the capability to get 3/4 other players in to help with the rebuild. I have no problem with him going for that figure. But a lot will depend on how we replace him. That will be the indication of whether we've learned from our previous mistakes; and that the new processes/talent id process is working in the way we hope it will. I think you've hit the nail on the head re Semenyo...unless something drastically changed. He's not a natural goal scorer, he's not a ' number 10'...is he an attacking me? Who knows...my guess is he'll have a career, but unfulfilled, because no one will work out his best position or how to play him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Composure...OK, in an unimpressive season for City, the guy has most assists out of anybody... so there is some end product there. My view is that he is a Nige type player. He likes players with pace and power. So, on balance, I think I'd be disappointed to lose Semenyo. Hence my view in he's worth more in the market. I can see talent...but unorthodox. So a risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley_Smith10 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Hxj said: Because: 1. He may not 2. You destroy his dreams and aspirations 3. You destroy the dreams and aspirations of every other youngster in the club and every other youngster in the world will think twice or three times before signing up. I guess you have valid points. Would just like the club to maybe try hold out on this one and not act as a pushover in the market. Maybe put the price up abit to say 8-10 mill like what Peterborough did with Toney However the complete opposite to this would be if we were to get a sum of say 5 million. I saw Fevs say we could sign a number of players on eg 20k a week and strengthening the squad now is a necessity. I’m torn between the two Edited May 11, 2021 by Finley_Smith10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 I'll be gutted if he leaves. He offered about the only bit of excitement in games this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted May 11, 2021 Author Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 minute ago, spudski said: Hence my view in he's worth more in the market. I can see talent...but unorthodox. So a risk. A risk for sure, but Semenyo in the hands of Nigel Pearson, versus Bolasie in the hands of Derek McInnes are very different propositions. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 I can understand some wanting to keep him in the hope he further improves and scores a few, probably doubling whats on the table. But 4m or 5m right at the start of the window gives NP a chance to get some very good OOC players in, or even loan players early in the window ready for pre-season. In that sense, 5m now could give NP a very good start to his rebuild. If he hits it off at Palace, then decent add ons will give the club a windfall in the future. Shame, but I think its best all round if he goes to Palace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, spudski said: He's big, strong, direct for his age, but has the composure of a 17 year old in front of Kylie when in front of goal. He's a difficult player to judge. On one hand, he frustrates so much because he doesn't score enough (or at times look likely to), and that money could get a decent replacement, or cover the wages of a few free's. Palace aren't stupid, they know this, along with the fact that we need to rebuild and let's be fair, cash in the hand would be beneficial. On the other hand, he is probably one of the players that is likely to go on and prove a lot of people wrong - Bobby Reid style. We haven't looked like scoring much this season, so to knock him for not scoring enough, could be a bit unfair. Maybe with a decent pre season, and decent coaching from the right type of coach (e.g. one that is/was able to find the net regularly), he could improve ten fold. Was there not a club supposedly interested in him recently? If there is anything substantial in both "rumours" then let the bids come in, and see where they go. The thing with these Prem clubs, is that while people are saying "he won't get game time for ages/if at all", at that price they can afford to take the gamble. For them, it's the equivalent of us taking a "punt" on Engval. Won't miss it at all. I'm in the undecided camp with him. Frustrates but has potential. Agree with the Posh comments - put a high price on him and see who takes the bait. Start playing proper hardball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonRobin21 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 If we can get £4m I would sell, providing a large sell on % is included. Malik Wilks (Hull) is a player we should target with some of the money. 22 years old (1 year older than Semenyo), has scored 39 goals since 2018 (for Doncaster, Barnsley and Hull). He would likely cost up to £2m, which leaves plenty in the kitty for additional incomings. Semenyo certainly could become a very good player, and I fully believe he would develop at a faster rate under Pearson. However, there are players out there who could have a bigger impact right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.