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1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

The usual swipe at OTIB by old man Gee Screamer II on there.

Shame he couldn't distinguish between 'there' and 'their' in the correct context, ha.

For some reason they banned me.  All I said was that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah! ?

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On a side note, someone I know who has worked in football security up North told me a while back that as away fans go, Derby seem alright but can get pissy or difficult when things aren't going their way.

The take on the current situation by a chunk of them proves it in spades. Although I shouldn't generalise.

Wonder if our game there will be our last in some time, I still might be going in any event. ?

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2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

On a side note, someone I know who has worked in football security up North told me a while back that as away fans go, Derby seem alright but can get pissy or difficult when things aren't going their way.

The take on the current situation by a chunk of them proves it in spades. Although I shouldn't generalise.

Wonder if our game there will be our last in some time, I still might be going in any event. ?

There was talk of it kicking off on their forum. 1000 I’m popodopolous t shirts need to be made! 

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12 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

There was talk of it kicking off on their forum. 1000 I’m popodopolous t shirts need to be made! 

Or I'm NOT Popodopolous if we wish to defuse.

I get the impression that some of them, I dunno the EFL blaming is fairly astonishing, they're merely upholding the rules as required and represent all 72 not just one.

However and yes a minority are terrible winners too, the Mel has EFL on strings has gone down in folklore, the sheer outpouring of joy and loud jubilation when it seemed Mel had the upper hand vs the sleeping and red faced EFL, I've not seen anything comparable at Championship or am I overstating my case, misremembering? 

All clubs have fans who might gloat but the sheer noise and scale in 2018, 2019 and even to an extent when the mythical Revaluation Reserve salvation arrived on the scene to seemingly save them to 2021 was something else.

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7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Or I'm NOT Popodopolous if we wish to defuse.

I get the impression that some of them, I dunno the EFL blaming is fairly astonishing, they're merely upholding the rules as required and represent all 72 not just one.

However and yes a minority are terrible winners too, the Mel has EFL on strings has gone down in folklore, the sheer outpouring of joy and loud jubilation when it seemed Mel had the upper hand vs the sleeping and red faced EFL, I've not seen anything comparable at Championship or am I overstating my case, misremembering? 

All clubs have fans who might gloat but the sheer noise and scale in 2018, 2019 and even to an extent when the mythical Revaluation Reserve salvation arrived on the scene to seemingly save them to 2021 was something else.

Yes you are right. I’m not Popodopolous might be better. But you really need to get some hospitality and a bottle of Moët 

They have some terrible supporters who thought it was great and hilarious when MM was giving people the run around that many have only just come to terms with. 

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22 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

Yes you are right. I’m not Popodopolous might be better. But you really need to get some hospitality and a bottle of Moët 

They have some terrible supporters who thought it was great and hilarious when MM was giving people the run around that many have only just come to terms with. 

Have been mulling over looking into hospitality for that game I must admit. Otoh, you can't really do what you do as a fan in hospitality- pros and cons each way tbh!

They did, some anyway- I remember the hilarious takes on social media, I posted a few of them from DCFCTalk or whatever the Twitter account was! Keyword searches make it easy. Yet for all that, their side were one game from glory and vindication 3 years back.

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How about- to the tune of bounce around the ground:

"Pearson says, Derby's bouncing down,

Derby's bouncing down

Derby's bouncing down"

Repeat a few times.

Better songwriters than me of course but that's an opening offer!

On a financial note, barring anything in the next few days or so:

Derby County FC

No accounts by due date in the public domain for 2019, 2020, 2021. Although a 3 month extension for Covid may hold, taking 2021 accounts to end of June 2022.

Club DCFC

No accounts by due date in the public domain for 2019, 2020 and 2021. Although the Covid extension may hold as above.

Stadia DCFC

No accounts by due date in the public domain for 2019, 2020 and 2021. Although the Covid extension may still hold as above.

Derby County FC Academy

No accounts in the public domain for 2019, 2020 and 2021 although the Covid extension may hold as above.

Sevco 5112

No accounts in the public domain for 2019, 2020 and 2021 although the Covid extension may hold as above.

Gellaw Newco 203

No accounts in the public domain for 2019, 2020 and 2021 although the Covid extension might take matters to June 18th 2022 for the 2021 accounts.

Astonishing list all told, and raises a question as to whether it'd even be possible for the EFL to lift the Embargo until all this is satisfied-the EFL rules on public disclosure of accounts are fairly clear.

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I've been catching up on the Forest thread which provides good reading. OTIB is on the updated HMRCWRDCFC Blame List.

https://www.forestforum.co.uk/threads/44511-The-demise-of-Wayne-Rooney-s-D***y-County-(in-Administration)-(and-denial)/page983

 

The new and improved official Derby County blame list:
1. The EFL
2. Steve Gibson
3. Neil Bausor
4. Middlesbrough
5. Rob Couhig
6. Wycombe
7. Covid
8. The ticket office
9. The HMRC
10. Nicholas Randall
11. Trevor Birch
12. Darren Bent
13. Steve McClaren
14. Danny Higginbotham
15. Richard Keogh
16. The European Super League
17. Sky Sports
18. The Football League paper
19. Burton Albion
20. Derby City Council
21. Mind (the mental health charity)
22. Opposition fans
23. The taxpayer
24. Derby's creditors
25. Forest fans that sit in the Upper Bridgford
26. Rick Parry
27. Brice Samba
28. Jack Colback
29. Simon Jordan
30. ITV Digital
31. Setanta
32. Brian Clough
33. Juventus
34. Tim Robinson
35. Lewis Grabban
36. Brennan Johnson
37. Kenny Burns
38. Nigel Clough
39. Billy Davies
40. LTLF
41. Rockabilly and his curse
42. Derby fans (whilst also being blameless at the same time)
43. Stan Collymore
44. Leeds United
45. Ed Dawes
46. Ugg (the caveman that created football, leading to the creation of the EFL)
47. Scott McKenna (for heading aeroplanes away that may contain investors, thus preventing Derby's takeover)
48. OK SpidermAndy! (for upsetting Derby fans by querying how long it will be before Derby fans nick Liverpool's "You'll Never Walk Alone" chant)
49. John Percy
50. Rob Dorsett
51. FFSForest (a Twitter user who pointed out how the absence of Derby's "unreal" supporters this season has cost them around £5m, which would help them complete the season. Clearly an EFL stooge!)
52. 166,000 empty seats (probably the fault of the seat manufacturer, rather than their "unreal" fans though)
53. Forest selling players to Olympiacos
54. Liverpool fans, Sheffield police and the Hillsboro/Govt report (making stadiums all seater prevented them from selling 60k every game)
55. Lyle Taylor
56. Adrian Durham
57. Luke Plange and Crystal Palace
58. Matt Donohue
59. Duane Holmes
60. Beardo7 and his £10 bet
61. Holland & Barrett
62. Bobby Zamora
63. Goalposts
64. Kim Leck
65. Aston Villa
66. Myself
67. The Mysterons
68. Captain Black
69. Shaggy
70. The Queen
71. RealRed85
72. Billingham Synthonia FC
73. Text messages
74. Congo_red (for daring to use facts)
75. Chevin Homes (the "preferred" partner in property)
76. Gianluca Di Marzio
77. Pozzo family (Udinese/Watford)
78. Brexit
79. Derby's Category 1 academy
80. Adam Hart-Davis
81. Birmingham City fans
82. Derby forum users Gritstone Tup and Mucker1884 (for breaking away from the hive mind and going against the narrative)
83. Chris Kirchner
84. Chris Doidge (blasphemous BBC Radio Derby presenter)
85. Daniel Taylor
86. Hasbro
87. From Software
88. Atari
89. 32 Red
90. Sheffield Wednesday fans
91. Bouncer the dog
92. Sam Longson
93. Alcohol
94. Leicester City
95. MaxiRobriguez
96. The MLS
97. The Joiners Arms in Quarndon
98. Highways England
99. Middlesbrough fans bringing facts onto Derby's forum
100. Ze list
101. Darren Huckerby
102. Del Boy and Rodney
103. Harry Enfield
104. Jeremy Simpson
105. Mason Bennett
106. Tom Lawrence
107. Ball boys
108. Scott Malone
109. Tubby pitch invaders
110. Kenny Loggins
111. Nathan Thompson
112. Vladimir Putin
113. MPs
114. "Fake" deadlines
115. The Derby Telegraph
116. The Twitter user @derbyram76 (aka Leitrim Ram) (for creating his own version of ze list)
117. Boris Johnson
118. Daleks
119. Derbyshire Mortgage Services (blasphemous mortgage firm)
120. Pancake day
121. Doctor Who and their companions
122. I'm Red Till Dead
123. BBC Radio Derby
124. Colin Fray
125. Uche Ikpeazu
126. Sky Bet
127. Mitchell and Webb
128. Cardiff City fans
129. Bungle from Rainbow (his coke addiction is causing confusion in the Quantuma offices, thus preventing Derby's takeover)
130. Notcher
131. Whoever at Nottingham Forest is asking the EFL to lobby FIFA to let players at Russian clubs walk away from their contracts
132. Chelsea
133. DC Comics
134. Preston North End
135. Billy Joel
136. Igor Novikov
137. Ben Smyth (treacherous "Derby fan" on Twitter slandering Derby's "amazing" supporters)
138. Joel Moore (another Derby traitor on Twitter who is going against the "Fight 'till the end" narrative)
139. Lech Poznan (for having the audacity to ask for money owed to them)
140. Kieran Maguire
141. Truth
142. HBB
143. Evangelos Marinakis
144. David (moderator on the DCFC Fans forum)
145. "Interested parties"
146. Club 84 (a Twitter user who posted a blasphemous image)
147. Alan Nixon
148. Matt Slater
149. Coventry City
150. The sun
151. Jack Marriott
152. The Sex Pistols
153. QPR
154. The Bristol City Forum OTIB
155. Secret squirrels
156. FiveThirtyEight's Super Computer
157. Mr Magoo
158. Douglas Adams
159. Philip Madoc
160. Will Smith and Chris Rock

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12 minutes ago, Marvin said:

I've been catching up on the Forest thread which provides good reading. OTIB is on the updated HMRCWRDCFC Blame List.

https://www.forestforum.co.uk/threads/44511-The-demise-of-Wayne-Rooney-s-D***y-County-(in-Administration)-(and-denial)/page983

 

 

The new and improved official Derby County blame list:
1. The EFL
2. Steve Gibson
3. Neil Bausor
4. Middlesbrough
5. Rob Couhig
6. Wycombe
7. Covid
8. The ticket office
9. The HMRC
10. Nicholas Randall
11. Trevor Birch
12. Darren Bent
13. Steve McClaren
14. Danny Higginbotham
15. Richard Keogh
16. The European Super League
17. Sky Sports
18. The Football League paper
19. Burton Albion
20. Derby City Council
21. Mind (the mental health charity)
22. Opposition fans
23. The taxpayer
24. Derby's creditors
25. Forest fans that sit in the Upper Bridgford
26. Rick Parry
27. Brice Samba
28. Jack Colback
29. Simon Jordan
30. ITV Digital
31. Setanta
32. Brian Clough
33. Juventus
34. Tim Robinson
35. Lewis Grabban
36. Brennan Johnson
37. Kenny Burns
38. Nigel Clough
39. Billy Davies
40. LTLF
41. Rockabilly and his curse
42. Derby fans (whilst also being blameless at the same time)
43. Stan Collymore
44. Leeds United
45. Ed Dawes
46. Ugg (the caveman that created football, leading to the creation of the EFL)
47. Scott McKenna (for heading aeroplanes away that may contain investors, thus preventing Derby's takeover)
48. OK SpidermAndy! (for upsetting Derby fans by querying how long it will be before Derby fans nick Liverpool's "You'll Never Walk Alone" chant)
49. John Percy
50. Rob Dorsett
51. FFSForest (a Twitter user who pointed out how the absence of Derby's "unreal" supporters this season has cost them around £5m, which would help them complete the season. Clearly an EFL stooge!)
52. 166,000 empty seats (probably the fault of the seat manufacturer, rather than their "unreal" fans though)
53. Forest selling players to Olympiacos
54. Liverpool fans, Sheffield police and the Hillsboro/Govt report (making stadiums all seater prevented them from selling 60k every game)
55. Lyle Taylor
56. Adrian Durham
57. Luke Plange and Crystal Palace
58. Matt Donohue
59. Duane Holmes
60. Beardo7 and his £10 bet
61. Holland & Barrett
62. Bobby Zamora
63. Goalposts
64. Kim Leck
65. Aston Villa
66. Myself
67. The Mysterons
68. Captain Black
69. Shaggy
70. The Queen
71. RealRed85
72. Billingham Synthonia FC
73. Text messages
74. Congo_red (for daring to use facts)
75. Chevin Homes (the "preferred" partner in property)
76. Gianluca Di Marzio
77. Pozzo family (Udinese/Watford)
78. Brexit
79. Derby's Category 1 academy
80. Adam Hart-Davis
81. Birmingham City fans
82. Derby forum users Gritstone Tup and Mucker1884 (for breaking away from the hive mind and going against the narrative)
83. Chris Kirchner
84. Chris Doidge (blasphemous BBC Radio Derby presenter)
85. Daniel Taylor
86. Hasbro
87. From Software
88. Atari
89. 32 Red
90. Sheffield Wednesday fans
91. Bouncer the dog
92. Sam Longson
93. Alcohol
94. Leicester City
95. MaxiRobriguez
96. The MLS
97. The Joiners Arms in Quarndon
98. Highways England
99. Middlesbrough fans bringing facts onto Derby's forum
100. Ze list
101. Darren Huckerby
102. Del Boy and Rodney
103. Harry Enfield
104. Jeremy Simpson
105. Mason Bennett
106. Tom Lawrence
107. Ball boys
108. Scott Malone
109. Tubby pitch invaders
110. Kenny Loggins
111. Nathan Thompson
112. Vladimir Putin
113. MPs
114. "Fake" deadlines
115. The Derby Telegraph
116. The Twitter user @derbyram76 (aka Leitrim Ram) (for creating his own version of ze list)
117. Boris Johnson
118. Daleks
119. Derbyshire Mortgage Services (blasphemous mortgage firm)
120. Pancake day
121. Doctor Who and their companions
122. I'm Red Till Dead
123. BBC Radio Derby
124. Colin Fray
125. Uche Ikpeazu
126. Sky Bet
127. Mitchell and Webb
128. Cardiff City fans
129. Bungle from Rainbow (his coke addiction is causing confusion in the Quantuma offices, thus preventing Derby's takeover)
130. Notcher
131. Whoever at Nottingham Forest is asking the EFL to lobby FIFA to let players at Russian clubs walk away from their contracts
132. Chelsea
133. DC Comics
134. Preston North End
135. Billy Joel
136. Igor Novikov
137. Ben Smyth (treacherous "Derby fan" on Twitter slandering Derby's "amazing" supporters)
138. Joel Moore (another Derby traitor on Twitter who is going against the "Fight 'till the end" narrative)
139. Lech Poznan (for having the audacity to ask for money owed to them)
140. Kieran Maguire
141. Truth
142. HBB
143. Evangelos Marinakis
144. David (moderator on the DCFC Fans forum)
145. "Interested parties"
146. Club 84 (a Twitter user who posted a blasphemous image)
147. Alan Nixon
148. Matt Slater
149. Coventry City
150. The sun
151. Jack Marriott
152. The Sex Pistols
153. QPR
154. The Bristol City Forum OTIB
155. Secret squirrels
156. FiveThirtyEight's Super Computer
157. Mr Magoo
158. Douglas Adams
159. Philip Madoc
160. Will Smith and Chris Rock

Can't see the X Files, GCHQ, MI5 or MI6 up there? ?

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15 minutes ago, Marvin said:

I've been catching up on the Forest thread which provides good reading. OTIB is on the updated HMRCWRDCFC Blame List.

https://www.forestforum.co.uk/threads/44511-The-demise-of-Wayne-Rooney-s-D***y-County-(in-Administration)-(and-denial)/page983

 

 

The new and improved official Derby County blame list:
1. The EFL
2. Steve Gibson
3. Neil Bausor
4. Middlesbrough
5. Rob Couhig
6. Wycombe
7. Covid
8. The ticket office
9. The HMRC
10. Nicholas Randall
11. Trevor Birch
12. Darren Bent
13. Steve McClaren
14. Danny Higginbotham
15. Richard Keogh
16. The European Super League
17. Sky Sports
18. The Football League paper
19. Burton Albion
20. Derby City Council
21. Mind (the mental health charity)
22. Opposition fans
23. The taxpayer
24. Derby's creditors
25. Forest fans that sit in the Upper Bridgford
26. Rick Parry
27. Brice Samba
28. Jack Colback
29. Simon Jordan
30. ITV Digital
31. Setanta
32. Brian Clough
33. Juventus
34. Tim Robinson
35. Lewis Grabban
36. Brennan Johnson
37. Kenny Burns
38. Nigel Clough
39. Billy Davies
40. LTLF
41. Rockabilly and his curse
42. Derby fans (whilst also being blameless at the same time)
43. Stan Collymore
44. Leeds United
45. Ed Dawes
46. Ugg (the caveman that created football, leading to the creation of the EFL)
47. Scott McKenna (for heading aeroplanes away that may contain investors, thus preventing Derby's takeover)
48. OK SpidermAndy! (for upsetting Derby fans by querying how long it will be before Derby fans nick Liverpool's "You'll Never Walk Alone" chant)
49. John Percy
50. Rob Dorsett
51. FFSForest (a Twitter user who pointed out how the absence of Derby's "unreal" supporters this season has cost them around £5m, which would help them complete the season. Clearly an EFL stooge!)
52. 166,000 empty seats (probably the fault of the seat manufacturer, rather than their "unreal" fans though)
53. Forest selling players to Olympiacos
54. Liverpool fans, Sheffield police and the Hillsboro/Govt report (making stadiums all seater prevented them from selling 60k every game)
55. Lyle Taylor
56. Adrian Durham
57. Luke Plange and Crystal Palace
58. Matt Donohue
59. Duane Holmes
60. Beardo7 and his £10 bet
61. Holland & Barrett
62. Bobby Zamora
63. Goalposts
64. Kim Leck
65. Aston Villa
66. Myself
67. The Mysterons
68. Captain Black
69. Shaggy
70. The Queen
71. RealRed85
72. Billingham Synthonia FC
73. Text messages
74. Congo_red (for daring to use facts)
75. Chevin Homes (the "preferred" partner in property)
76. Gianluca Di Marzio
77. Pozzo family (Udinese/Watford)
78. Brexit
79. Derby's Category 1 academy
80. Adam Hart-Davis
81. Birmingham City fans
82. Derby forum users Gritstone Tup and Mucker1884 (for breaking away from the hive mind and going against the narrative)
83. Chris Kirchner
84. Chris Doidge (blasphemous BBC Radio Derby presenter)
85. Daniel Taylor
86. Hasbro
87. From Software
88. Atari
89. 32 Red
90. Sheffield Wednesday fans
91. Bouncer the dog
92. Sam Longson
93. Alcohol
94. Leicester City
95. MaxiRobriguez
96. The MLS
97. The Joiners Arms in Quarndon
98. Highways England
99. Middlesbrough fans bringing facts onto Derby's forum
100. Ze list
101. Darren Huckerby
102. Del Boy and Rodney
103. Harry Enfield
104. Jeremy Simpson
105. Mason Bennett
106. Tom Lawrence
107. Ball boys
108. Scott Malone
109. Tubby pitch invaders
110. Kenny Loggins
111. Nathan Thompson
112. Vladimir Putin
113. MPs
114. "Fake" deadlines
115. The Derby Telegraph
116. The Twitter user @derbyram76 (aka Leitrim Ram) (for creating his own version of ze list)
117. Boris Johnson
118. Daleks
119. Derbyshire Mortgage Services (blasphemous mortgage firm)
120. Pancake day
121. Doctor Who and their companions
122. I'm Red Till Dead
123. BBC Radio Derby
124. Colin Fray
125. Uche Ikpeazu
126. Sky Bet
127. Mitchell and Webb
128. Cardiff City fans
129. Bungle from Rainbow (his coke addiction is causing confusion in the Quantuma offices, thus preventing Derby's takeover)
130. Notcher
131. Whoever at Nottingham Forest is asking the EFL to lobby FIFA to let players at Russian clubs walk away from their contracts
132. Chelsea
133. DC Comics
134. Preston North End
135. Billy Joel
136. Igor Novikov
137. Ben Smyth (treacherous "Derby fan" on Twitter slandering Derby's "amazing" supporters)
138. Joel Moore (another Derby traitor on Twitter who is going against the "Fight 'till the end" narrative)
139. Lech Poznan (for having the audacity to ask for money owed to them)
140. Kieran Maguire
141. Truth
142. HBB
143. Evangelos Marinakis
144. David (moderator on the DCFC Fans forum)
145. "Interested parties"
146. Club 84 (a Twitter user who posted a blasphemous image)
147. Alan Nixon
148. Matt Slater
149. Coventry City
150. The sun
151. Jack Marriott
152. The Sex Pistols
153. QPR
154. The Bristol City Forum OTIB
155. Secret squirrels
156. FiveThirtyEight's Super Computer
157. Mr Magoo
158. Douglas Adams
159. Philip Madoc
160. Will Smith and Chris Rock

161. The Boogie.

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4 hours ago, Marvin said:

I've been catching up on the Forest thread which provides good reading. OTIB is on the updated HMRCWRDCFC Blame List.

https://www.forestforum.co.uk/threads/44511-The-demise-of-Wayne-Rooney-s-D***y-County-(in-Administration)-(and-denial)/page983

 

 

The new and improved official Derby County blame list:
1. The EFL
2. Steve Gibson
3. Neil Bausor
4. Middlesbrough
5. Rob Couhig
6. Wycombe
7. Covid
8. The ticket office
9. The HMRC
10. Nicholas Randall
11. Trevor Birch
12. Darren Bent
13. Steve McClaren
14. Danny Higginbotham
15. Richard Keogh
16. The European Super League
17. Sky Sports
18. The Football League paper
19. Burton Albion
20. Derby City Council
21. Mind (the mental health charity)
22. Opposition fans
23. The taxpayer
24. Derby's creditors
25. Forest fans that sit in the Upper Bridgford
26. Rick Parry
27. Brice Samba
28. Jack Colback
29. Simon Jordan
30. ITV Digital
31. Setanta
32. Brian Clough
33. Juventus
34. Tim Robinson
35. Lewis Grabban
36. Brennan Johnson
37. Kenny Burns
38. Nigel Clough
39. Billy Davies
40. LTLF
41. Rockabilly and his curse
42. Derby fans (whilst also being blameless at the same time)
43. Stan Collymore
44. Leeds United
45. Ed Dawes
46. Ugg (the caveman that created football, leading to the creation of the EFL)
47. Scott McKenna (for heading aeroplanes away that may contain investors, thus preventing Derby's takeover)
48. OK SpidermAndy! (for upsetting Derby fans by querying how long it will be before Derby fans nick Liverpool's "You'll Never Walk Alone" chant)
49. John Percy
50. Rob Dorsett
51. FFSForest (a Twitter user who pointed out how the absence of Derby's "unreal" supporters this season has cost them around £5m, which would help them complete the season. Clearly an EFL stooge!)
52. 166,000 empty seats (probably the fault of the seat manufacturer, rather than their "unreal" fans though)
53. Forest selling players to Olympiacos
54. Liverpool fans, Sheffield police and the Hillsboro/Govt report (making stadiums all seater prevented them from selling 60k every game)
55. Lyle Taylor
56. Adrian Durham
57. Luke Plange and Crystal Palace
58. Matt Donohue
59. Duane Holmes
60. Beardo7 and his £10 bet
61. Holland & Barrett
62. Bobby Zamora
63. Goalposts
64. Kim Leck
65. Aston Villa
66. Myself
67. The Mysterons
68. Captain Black
69. Shaggy
70. The Queen
71. RealRed85
72. Billingham Synthonia FC
73. Text messages
74. Congo_red (for daring to use facts)
75. Chevin Homes (the "preferred" partner in property)
76. Gianluca Di Marzio
77. Pozzo family (Udinese/Watford)
78. Brexit
79. Derby's Category 1 academy
80. Adam Hart-Davis
81. Birmingham City fans
82. Derby forum users Gritstone Tup and Mucker1884 (for breaking away from the hive mind and going against the narrative)
83. Chris Kirchner
84. Chris Doidge (blasphemous BBC Radio Derby presenter)
85. Daniel Taylor
86. Hasbro
87. From Software
88. Atari
89. 32 Red
90. Sheffield Wednesday fans
91. Bouncer the dog
92. Sam Longson
93. Alcohol
94. Leicester City
95. MaxiRobriguez
96. The MLS
97. The Joiners Arms in Quarndon
98. Highways England
99. Middlesbrough fans bringing facts onto Derby's forum
100. Ze list
101. Darren Huckerby
102. Del Boy and Rodney
103. Harry Enfield
104. Jeremy Simpson
105. Mason Bennett
106. Tom Lawrence
107. Ball boys
108. Scott Malone
109. Tubby pitch invaders
110. Kenny Loggins
111. Nathan Thompson
112. Vladimir Putin
113. MPs
114. "Fake" deadlines
115. The Derby Telegraph
116. The Twitter user @derbyram76 (aka Leitrim Ram) (for creating his own version of ze list)
117. Boris Johnson
118. Daleks
119. Derbyshire Mortgage Services (blasphemous mortgage firm)
120. Pancake day
121. Doctor Who and their companions
122. I'm Red Till Dead
123. BBC Radio Derby
124. Colin Fray
125. Uche Ikpeazu
126. Sky Bet
127. Mitchell and Webb
128. Cardiff City fans
129. Bungle from Rainbow (his coke addiction is causing confusion in the Quantuma offices, thus preventing Derby's takeover)
130. Notcher
131. Whoever at Nottingham Forest is asking the EFL to lobby FIFA to let players at Russian clubs walk away from their contracts
132. Chelsea
133. DC Comics
134. Preston North End
135. Billy Joel
136. Igor Novikov
137. Ben Smyth (treacherous "Derby fan" on Twitter slandering Derby's "amazing" supporters)
138. Joel Moore (another Derby traitor on Twitter who is going against the "Fight 'till the end" narrative)
139. Lech Poznan (for having the audacity to ask for money owed to them)
140. Kieran Maguire
141. Truth
142. HBB
143. Evangelos Marinakis
144. David (moderator on the DCFC Fans forum)
145. "Interested parties"
146. Club 84 (a Twitter user who posted a blasphemous image)
147. Alan Nixon
148. Matt Slater
149. Coventry City
150. The sun
151. Jack Marriott
152. The Sex Pistols
153. QPR
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Unless I am very much mistaken Mr Popodopolous is not on there. WTF!

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Seen a suggestion by a couple of posters that Derby/Derbyshire Council buy Pride Park and lease it back to the club.

That would be one way, it would mean the EFL could add in a fair market rent in place of the actual likely rent for FFP purposes- perhaps based on the original transaction and the original rental arrangements as recommended by Derby's Independent valuer.

Whether spending taxpayers money on such a deal in times of inflation etc would be justifiable though is another debate?

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7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Seen a suggestion by a couple of posters that Derby/Derbyshire Council buy Pride Park and lease it back to the club.

That would be one way, it would mean the EFL could add in a fair market rent- perhaps based on the original transaction. Whether spending taxpayers money on such a deal in times of inflation etc would be justifiable though is another debate?

It does sound like the sort of thing that could work . Being a one club City makes it a little easier, and if the deal was done in a way to make the Council money in time I could see it happening.

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17 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

It does sound like the sort of thing that could work . Being a one club City makes it a little easier, and if the deal was done in a way to make the Council money in time I could see it happening.

Council pay off debt to MSD/Mel and acquire the ground,

How about this?

The first bit then the lease/agreement...

  • 10% rent- £2.-2.5m per year maybe depending on exactly how big the debt around Pride Park is, upward in line with inflation or downward if we get deflation
  • Split the commercial revenue 50/50 with the council, either put an unilateral option for the club to buy after a given period or revert back to the club after the Council hit a certain profit.
  • Repairs the responsibility of the club.
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8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Seen a suggestion by a couple of posters that Derby/Derbyshire Council buy Pride Park and lease it back to the club.

That would be one way, it would mean the EFL could add in a fair market rent- perhaps based on the original transaction. Whether spending taxpayers money on such a deal in times of inflation etc would be justifiable though is another debate?

I guess. Although there may be several legal barriers. 
 

But I’m not sure that changes the issues much. Yes you could trust Derbyshire council a lot more than Mel who would eff you over as soon as he could. However 25m+ of tax debt not a bean in the bank a load of out of contract players etc wouldn’t change. How much is the name Derby County worth to anyone. 

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Shouldn't bite but it's too easy- a bit like distinguishing between 'their and there...'

Except this time he's taken it a bit further, Old Man Gee Screamer !!

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I'll collect the paper plates they'll all be using for us, to save for for all my parties.  Apart from Bristol City, Forest and the thick Neanderthals constantly posting on twitter from Coventry, Boro and Digbeth.  They'll get the best Royal Crown Derby.  I'll stick the OTIB socially deficient society on the guest list for there's.  They could do with a night out and some sunshine away from the basements.

Anyone. :laugh:

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24 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Council pay off debt to MSD/Mel and acquire the ground,

How about this?

The first bit then the lease/agreement...

  • 10% rent- £2.-2.5m per year maybe depending on exactly how big the debt around Pride Park is, upward in line with inflation or downward if we get deflation
  • Split the commercial revenue 50/50 with the council, either put an unilateral option for the club to buy after a given period or revert back to the club after the Council hit a certain profit.
  • Repairs the responsibility of the club.

There could be many ways it could be structured. Bottom line would be the Council get yearly payments, over a minimum time. Then when the Club are able they could buy the ground back at a small premium. A loan sum could be added to the yearly fee. 

I'm no accountant, but I could see it working and the non football locals could be placated by the fact the ground would be effectively subsidising their Council Tax. 

 

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7 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

There could be many ways it could be structured. Bottom line would be the Council get yearly payments, over a minimum time. Then when the Club are able they could buy the ground back at a small premium. A loan sum could be added to the yearly fee. 

I'm no accountant, but I could see it working and the non football locals could be placated by the fact the ground would be effectively subsidising their Council Tax. 

 

Agreed- although seen one suggestion whereby the council buy it and rent it back to the club for £1 per year...that'd be a harder sell for a range of reasons IMO! Again though, could enable the EFL to go back to the 2018 deal and the "Fair Rent" potentially.

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Just now, Lanterne Rouge said:

Friday tomorrow so no doubt all will be revealed..........................................

Or not.

Got their excuses in early, see my link above. Now blaming the bidders for undermining the process.

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49 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

It does sound like the sort of thing that could work . Being a one club City makes it a little easier, and if the deal was done in a way to make the Council money in time I could see it happening.

 

47 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Council pay off debt to MSD/Mel and acquire the ground,

How about this?

The first bit then the lease/agreement...

  • 10% rent- £2.-2.5m per year maybe depending on exactly how big the debt around Pride Park is, upward in line with inflation or downward if we get deflation
  • Split the commercial revenue 50/50 with the council, either put an unilateral option for the club to buy after a given period or revert back to the club after the Council hit a certain profit.
  • Repairs the responsibility of the club.

Both councils should buy the whole club on a joint basis.

Then we could have DCCDCCDCFC!

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One side note I had almost forgotten about.

The Wycombe claim- has this just been dropped, ignored or what? Irrespective of the merits of it, I'm pretty sure Couhig has not dropped it- or is it the case that it's such a small amount they could win that it is no impediment, £100k something like that...but from what I read online, there is no indication that Wycombe have withdrawn it e.g.

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29 minutes ago, downendcity said:

....but nothing is happening imminently.

Fixed that for you!

Please..:.Can the Derby fan who told me on here to believe what I like, but the deal is done it’s just Gibson holding it up come back, so I can better understand what’s going on now!

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47 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Agreed- although seen one suggestion whereby the council buy it and rent it back to the club for £1 per year...that'd be a harder sell for a range of reasons IMO! Again though, could enable the EFL to go back to the 2018 deal and the "Fair Rent" potentially.

The problem there is Football fans thinking everyone cares about the Club, they don't.
I'd be going mad if , as a non Football person, I saw my Council Tax going towards a thing that has had millions thrown at it, and wasted. I imagine the Council would be aware enough to realise. Again, it needs people to be sensible, Football fans rarely are. 

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44 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60946333

So nearly a week to sift through both applicants and still unable to come up with a preferred bidder. A new one for the NF blame list above, the preferred bidder for being awkward.

Last week's statement was:

Joint administrators Quantuma issued a statement on Friday saying they will "assess the merits of all bids received over the weekend of 26-27 March and identify their preferred bidder".

"This will be the bid which we feel best secures the long-term future of the club," it added.

"Early next week, the joint administrators will commence discussions with the EFL.

"Further to their approval to proceed, we will then be in a position to publicly name the preferred bidder".

So another deadline missed - all in good faith of course, no question of misleading anyone and naturally it's somebody else's fault.

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3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

The problem there is Football fans thinking everyone cares about the Club, they don't.
I'd be going mad if , as a non Football person, I saw my Council Tax going towards a thing that has had millions thrown at it, and wasted. I imagine the Council would be aware enough to realise. Again, it needs people to be sensible, Football fans rarely are. 

Agreed.

That proposal ie the £1 rent, I see no commercial rationale whatsoever. Would it be a good use of public money in these straitened times.

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I was wrong, something may have happened.

Rumours that Appleby has left the party.

Looks like there are no bidders and maybe some uninterested parties.

Couldn't make it up.

 

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13 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Only if the council is prepared to cut £20m worth of services to fund the purchase of a football stadium.

Yeah, agreed. Unless they're sitting on a big surplus I guess but hard to justify unless there will be a tangible benefit to the council in the medium to financial term ie rent, commercial revenue arrangements etc.

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1 hour ago, redsquirrel said:

the whole thing is just a basket case, why dont the efl just do the decent thing, put everyone there out of their misery and boot them out the league so they can go bust and get it all wrote off?

Possibly waiting for the season to end? 

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11 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

The problem there is Football fans thinking everyone cares about the Club, they don't.
I'd be going mad if , as a non Football person, I saw my Council Tax going towards a thing that has had millions thrown at it, and wasted. I imagine the Council would be aware enough to realise. Again, it needs people to be sensible, Football fans rarely are. 

 

Plymouth council bought Home Park when Argyle was going through one of its regular meltdowns and leased or rented it back to them.

When they were back to having a solvent owner they bought it back.

As long as it's all at fair market prices it looks a sensible way for a council to behave: they receive a market return on their investment whilst preserving a sports ground in the middle of the city from redevelopment.

I don't live in Bristol but would like to think that the council would step in if either City or Rovers were in financial trouble to prevent the grounds from disappearing under yet more housing; as long as it was transparent and at market rates.

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14 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

 

Plymouth council bought Home Park when Argyle was going through one of its regular meltdowns and leased or rented it back to them.

When they were back to having a solvent owner they bought it back.

As long as it's all at fair market prices it looks a sensible way for a council to behave: they receive a market return on their investment whilst preserving a sports ground in the middle of the city from redevelopment.

I don't live in Bristol but would like to think that the council would step in if either City or Rovers were in financial trouble to prevent the grounds from disappearing under yet more housing; as long as it was transparent and at market rates.

The problem in Bristol is that having 2 clubs, inevitably 2 sections of the population will be against it. The non football people, and Fans of the other Club. I seem to remember that it was mentioned on here, R*vers stepped in to stop the Council helping us in 82.

 

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18 minutes ago, chinapig said:

So who are the parties delaying and undermining the process? Is this another attempt to blame the EFL knowing Derby fans will lap it up as usual and deflect attention from Quantuma?

Quantuma - Latin for “blame everyone else lots”.

 

 

(possibly)

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2 minutes ago, billywedlock said:

Looks to me like no one wants to pay the asking price, and has been that way for a very long time. Is the  sticking point is Morris and the ground, and what he is trying to salvage for himself.

likely to be one of the hurdles, but I’m not convinced any agreement (tentative or not) has been reached with HMRC either.  So many opinions that 25p/£1 is done and dusted, which imho is a ludicrous assumption.  Payment plan, maybe, but they’d still want a good slug up front wouldn’t they?

Ashley is a bit of a distressed sale master, he will be hanging this one out as long as he can, stringing them along , knowing that there is no funding after the last game of the season. If he makes a short term deal to play away from Pride Park, it leaves Morris with a facility no one wants, and a £20m debt against it. I do not see the club liquidated, but as it has no players and no ground, how can it be worth anything ? This will go to the wire, and IMHO will go to the end of the season now.

yep, this is right up Ashley’s street, and like or dislike him and his practices, Derby need someone who can run a tight ship…and he will do that.  Your notion of playing away from Pride Park would piss on Mel’s chips, and I wonder if 1) that’s what he’s angling for and 2) Mel knows that and is trying to steer Quantuma towards other bidders.  Either Ashley wins, or Derby get liquidated.  Morris ducked up when he sold PP.

Derby County playing at the Proact Stadium (Chesterfield) next season. Most probably in the same league.

Has a lot of legs.

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16 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Council pay off debt to MSD/Mel and acquire the ground,

How about this?

The first bit then the lease/agreement...

  • 10% rent- £2.-2.5m per year maybe depending on exactly how big the debt around Pride Park is, upward in line with inflation or downward if we get deflation
  • Split the commercial revenue 50/50 with the council, either put an unilateral option for the club to buy after a given period or revert back to the club after the Council hit a certain profit.
  • Repairs the responsibility of the club.

Is MM still an ambassador for business and innovation for Derby and Derbyshire council? 
 

A buyout by the relative councils of the ground would take a feat of legal dexterity in a short period under those circumstances! 

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5 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said:

 

Plymouth council bought Home Park when Argyle was going through one of its regular meltdowns and leased or rented it back to them.

When they were back to having a solvent owner they bought it back.

As long as it's all at fair market prices it looks a sensible way for a council to behave: they receive a market return on their investment whilst preserving a sports ground in the middle of the city from redevelopment.

I don't live in Bristol but would like to think that the council would step in if either City or Rovers were in financial trouble to prevent the grounds from disappearing under yet more housing; as long as it was transparent and at market rates.

Don't disagree- in principle although very straitened times and local Government have become badly stretched in the last 10-15 years from what I understand.

That bit aside, yes if it's fair value and transparent- don't disagree...think Plymouth paid 8-9% rent ie that was the yield, saw an article or a document a while ago when looking into stadium transactions. I think along the lines of the kind of deal structure I suggested would benefit all.

The £1 rent however suggested on their forum...especially with straitened times both nationally and with local Govt. finances and inflation!?

Found it- £1.6m fee paid, rent was £135k per year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-15354187

There was also a buyback option.

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The council deal means Argyle would have an option to buy back the ground every five years for a sum equal to 12 times the then annual rent.

Let's extrapolate for Derby.

£22m MSD debt, Pride Park to council. Rent therefore £1,856,250 per year.

5 years in they can buy back at £22,275,000 should they so choose.

As I said last night though, with a) The extra revenue streams via Pride Park and b) A bigger fanbase (although Plymouth could easily attract a major fanbase top end Championship or above IMO) the deal can be more creative.

1 hour ago, REDOXO said:

Is MM still an ambassador for business and innovation for Derby and Derbyshire council? 
 

A buyout by the relative councils of the ground would take a feat of legal dexterity in a short period under those circumstances! 

He is yes, I believe.

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/mel-morris-role-business-ambassador-6557839

Last bit on it, not looked into it in depth but unsure that it did change substantially!

Sounds like he still is!

https://twitter.com/search?q=mel morris ambassador&src=typed_query&f=live

https://twitter.com/search?q=derbycc ambassador&src=typed_query&f=live

Pretty unbelievable if true, no?

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5 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said:

I don't live in Bristol but would like to think that the council would step in if either City or Rovers were in financial trouble to prevent the grounds from disappearing under yet more housing; as long as it was transparent and at market rates.

Absolutely no chance of Bristol City Council supporting either team.

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5 hours ago, chinapig said:

So who are the parties delaying and undermining the process? Is this another attempt to blame the EFL knowing Derby fans will lap it up as usual and deflect attention from Quantuma?

Yes, sounds like it is. Clearly, if Quantuma's straw man is invisible then the inference is that they're making things up to suit their agenda. (Which seems to be 'make sure we aren't hired by anyone again',)

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41 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Don't disagree- in principle although very straitened times and local Government have become badly stretched in the last 10-15 years from what I understand.

That bit aside, yes if it's fair value and transparent- don't disagree...think Plymouth paid 8-9% rent ie that was the yield, saw an article or a document a while ago when looking into stadium transactions. I think along the lines of the kind of deal structure I suggested would benefit all.

The £1 rent however suggested on their forum...especially with straitened times both nationally and with local Govt. finances and inflation!?

Found it- £1.6m fee paid, rent was £135k per year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-15354187

There was also a buyback option.

Let's extrapolate for Derby.

£22m MSD debt, Pride Park to council. Rent therefore £1,856,250 per year.

5 years in they can buy back at £22,275,000 should they so choose.

As I said last night though, with a) The extra revenue streams via Pride Park and b) A bigger fanbase (although Plymouth could easily attract a major fanbase top end Championship or above IMO) the deal can be more creative.

He is yes, I believe.

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/mel-morris-role-business-ambassador-6557839

Last bit on it, not looked into it in depth but unsure that it did change substantially!

Sounds like he still is!

https://twitter.com/search?q=mel morris ambassador&src=typed_query&f=live

https://twitter.com/search?q=derbycc ambassador&src=typed_query&f=live

Pretty unbelievable if true, no?

Nothing is unbelievable about this shitfest, however it does really put the tin hat on everything. 
 

If he is still the business/innovation ambassador any purchase of the ground by Derby/Derbyshire will be fraught with challenges and to be frank even if he resigned it will be too!!
 

 

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Quick bit- I'll leave others who know more about it than me but wondering how it all works- here is some of the MSD stuff and by process of elimination August 2020 and October 2020 appear to be Derby related.

Not actually altogether clear where the August 2020 one is tbh- it used to be on there!

https://tisegroup.com/market/companies/8061

Maybe it only goes back so far? I looked at it a while back. By process of elimination the Derby loan might be at 7.75% interest. They loan to a range of clubs and businesses but has the October 2020 one just amalgamated with the August 2020 one? Unsecured loan notes though...that can't be right because MSD as at CH have plenty of security- floating, fixed etc IIRC.

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19 hours ago, Waconda said:

This - EFL have been doing everything in their power NOT to deal with this before the fixtures are finished.

It will be allowed to go on for a while yet.

It's not the efl's responsibility to sort Derby County out, that's the administrators responsibility,

The efls responsibility is to make sure clubs stick to the rules, Derby didn't do this and has been punished,

Derby have the money to forfil their fixtures and should be alloud too,

 

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