chinapig Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 27 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: @Mr Popodopolous in his secret lair Under Bemmy Down with a secret entrance via Parson Street station. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) The usual swipe at OTIB by old man Gee Screamer II on there. Shame he couldn't distinguish between 'there' and 'their' in the correct context, ha. Edited March 30, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: The usual swipe at OTIB by old man Gee Screamer II on there. Shame he couldn't distinguish between 'there' and 'their' in the correct context, ha. For some reason they banned me. All I said was that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) On a side note, someone I know who has worked in football security up North told me a while back that as away fans go, Derby seem alright but can get pissy or difficult when things aren't going their way. The take on the current situation by a chunk of them proves it in spades. Although I shouldn't generalise. Wonder if our game there will be our last in some time, I still might be going in any event. Edited March 30, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: For some reason they banned me. All I said was that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah! Now that has made me chuckle ! Blessed are the cheesemakers etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said: For some reason they banned me. All I said was that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah! You did well, me and HXJ were banned before we could even post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 17 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: You did well, me and HXJ were banned before we could even post! They’ve blocked my iPad from accessing the website, but not my phone. It’s an interesting read for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 They banned me too. Bless them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: On a side note, someone I know who has worked in football security up North told me a while back that as away fans go, Derby seem alright but can get pissy or difficult when things aren't going their way. The take on the current situation by a chunk of them proves it in spades. Although I shouldn't generalise. Wonder if our game there will be our last in some time, I still might be going in any event. There was talk of it kicking off on their forum. 1000 I’m popodopolous t shirts need to be made! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, REDOXO said: There was talk of it kicking off on their forum. 1000 I’m popodopolous t shirts need to be made! Or I'm NOT Popodopolous if we wish to defuse. I get the impression that some of them, I dunno the EFL blaming is fairly astonishing, they're merely upholding the rules as required and represent all 72 not just one. However and yes a minority are terrible winners too, the Mel has EFL on strings has gone down in folklore, the sheer outpouring of joy and loud jubilation when it seemed Mel had the upper hand vs the sleeping and red faced EFL, I've not seen anything comparable at Championship or am I overstating my case, misremembering? All clubs have fans who might gloat but the sheer noise and scale in 2018, 2019 and even to an extent when the mythical Revaluation Reserve salvation arrived on the scene to seemingly save them to 2021 was something else. Edited March 31, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Or I'm NOT Popodopolous if we wish to defuse. I get the impression that some of them, I dunno the EFL blaming is fairly astonishing, they're merely upholding the rules as required and represent all 72 not just one. However and yes a minority are terrible winners too, the Mel has EFL on strings has gone down in folklore, the sheer outpouring of joy and loud jubilation when it seemed Mel had the upper hand vs the sleeping and red faced EFL, I've not seen anything comparable at Championship or am I overstating my case, misremembering? All clubs have fans who might gloat but the sheer noise and scale in 2018, 2019 and even to an extent when the mythical Revaluation Reserve salvation arrived on the scene to seemingly save them to 2021 was something else. Yes you are right. I’m not Popodopolous might be better. But you really need to get some hospitality and a bottle of Moët They have some terrible supporters who thought it was great and hilarious when MM was giving people the run around that many have only just come to terms with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 22 minutes ago, REDOXO said: Yes you are right. I’m not Popodopolous might be better. But you really need to get some hospitality and a bottle of Moët They have some terrible supporters who thought it was great and hilarious when MM was giving people the run around that many have only just come to terms with. Have been mulling over looking into hospitality for that game I must admit. Otoh, you can't really do what you do as a fan in hospitality- pros and cons each way tbh! They did, some anyway- I remember the hilarious takes on social media, I posted a few of them from DCFCTalk or whatever the Twitter account was! Keyword searches make it easy. Yet for all that, their side were one game from glory and vindication 3 years back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 How about- to the tune of bounce around the ground: "Pearson says, Derby's bouncing down, Derby's bouncing down Derby's bouncing down" Repeat a few times. Better songwriters than me of course but that's an opening offer! On a financial note, barring anything in the next few days or so: Derby County FC No accounts by due date in the public domain for 2019, 2020, 2021. Although a 3 month extension for Covid may hold, taking 2021 accounts to end of June 2022. Club DCFC No accounts by due date in the public domain for 2019, 2020 and 2021. Although the Covid extension may hold as above. Stadia DCFC No accounts by due date in the public domain for 2019, 2020 and 2021. Although the Covid extension may still hold as above. Derby County FC Academy No accounts in the public domain for 2019, 2020 and 2021 although the Covid extension may hold as above. Sevco 5112 No accounts in the public domain for 2019, 2020 and 2021 although the Covid extension may hold as above. Gellaw Newco 203 No accounts in the public domain for 2019, 2020 and 2021 although the Covid extension might take matters to June 18th 2022 for the 2021 accounts. Astonishing list all told, and raises a question as to whether it'd even be possible for the EFL to lift the Embargo until all this is satisfied-the EFL rules on public disclosure of accounts are fairly clear. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 I've been catching up on the Forest thread which provides good reading. OTIB is on the updated HMRCWRDCFC Blame List. https://www.forestforum.co.uk/threads/44511-The-demise-of-Wayne-Rooney-s-D***y-County-(in-Administration)-(and-denial)/page983 The new and improved official Derby County blame list: 1. The EFL 2. Steve Gibson 3. Neil Bausor 4. Middlesbrough 5. Rob Couhig 6. Wycombe 7. Covid 8. The ticket office 9. The HMRC 10. Nicholas Randall 11. Trevor Birch 12. Darren Bent 13. Steve McClaren 14. Danny Higginbotham 15. Richard Keogh 16. The European Super League 17. Sky Sports 18. The Football League paper 19. Burton Albion 20. Derby City Council 21. Mind (the mental health charity) 22. Opposition fans 23. The taxpayer 24. Derby's creditors 25. Forest fans that sit in the Upper Bridgford 26. Rick Parry 27. Brice Samba 28. Jack Colback 29. Simon Jordan 30. ITV Digital 31. Setanta 32. Brian Clough 33. Juventus 34. Tim Robinson 35. Lewis Grabban 36. Brennan Johnson 37. Kenny Burns 38. Nigel Clough 39. Billy Davies 40. LTLF 41. Rockabilly and his curse 42. Derby fans (whilst also being blameless at the same time) 43. Stan Collymore 44. Leeds United 45. Ed Dawes 46. Ugg (the caveman that created football, leading to the creation of the EFL) 47. Scott McKenna (for heading aeroplanes away that may contain investors, thus preventing Derby's takeover) 48. OK SpidermAndy! (for upsetting Derby fans by querying how long it will be before Derby fans nick Liverpool's "You'll Never Walk Alone" chant) 49. John Percy 50. Rob Dorsett 51. FFSForest (a Twitter user who pointed out how the absence of Derby's "unreal" supporters this season has cost them around £5m, which would help them complete the season. Clearly an EFL stooge!) 52. 166,000 empty seats (probably the fault of the seat manufacturer, rather than their "unreal" fans though) 53. Forest selling players to Olympiacos 54. Liverpool fans, Sheffield police and the Hillsboro/Govt report (making stadiums all seater prevented them from selling 60k every game) 55. Lyle Taylor 56. Adrian Durham 57. Luke Plange and Crystal Palace 58. Matt Donohue 59. Duane Holmes 60. Beardo7 and his £10 bet 61. Holland & Barrett 62. Bobby Zamora 63. Goalposts 64. Kim Leck 65. Aston Villa 66. Myself 67. The Mysterons 68. Captain Black 69. Shaggy 70. The Queen 71. RealRed85 72. Billingham Synthonia FC 73. Text messages 74. Congo_red (for daring to use facts) 75. Chevin Homes (the "preferred" partner in property) 76. Gianluca Di Marzio 77. Pozzo family (Udinese/Watford) 78. Brexit 79. Derby's Category 1 academy 80. Adam Hart-Davis 81. Birmingham City fans 82. Derby forum users Gritstone Tup and Mucker1884 (for breaking away from the hive mind and going against the narrative) 83. Chris Kirchner 84. Chris Doidge (blasphemous BBC Radio Derby presenter) 85. Daniel Taylor 86. Hasbro 87. From Software 88. Atari 89. 32 Red 90. Sheffield Wednesday fans 91. Bouncer the dog 92. Sam Longson 93. Alcohol 94. Leicester City 95. MaxiRobriguez 96. The MLS 97. The Joiners Arms in Quarndon 98. Highways England 99. Middlesbrough fans bringing facts onto Derby's forum 100. Ze list 101. Darren Huckerby 102. Del Boy and Rodney 103. Harry Enfield 104. Jeremy Simpson 105. Mason Bennett 106. Tom Lawrence 107. Ball boys 108. Scott Malone 109. Tubby pitch invaders 110. Kenny Loggins 111. Nathan Thompson 112. Vladimir Putin 113. MPs 114. "Fake" deadlines 115. The Derby Telegraph 116. The Twitter user @derbyram76 (aka Leitrim Ram) (for creating his own version of ze list) 117. Boris Johnson 118. Daleks 119. Derbyshire Mortgage Services (blasphemous mortgage firm) 120. Pancake day 121. Doctor Who and their companions 122. I'm Red Till Dead 123. BBC Radio Derby 124. Colin Fray 125. Uche Ikpeazu 126. Sky Bet 127. Mitchell and Webb 128. Cardiff City fans 129. Bungle from Rainbow (his coke addiction is causing confusion in the Quantuma offices, thus preventing Derby's takeover) 130. Notcher 131. Whoever at Nottingham Forest is asking the EFL to lobby FIFA to let players at Russian clubs walk away from their contracts 132. Chelsea 133. DC Comics 134. Preston North End 135. Billy Joel 136. Igor Novikov 137. Ben Smyth (treacherous "Derby fan" on Twitter slandering Derby's "amazing" supporters) 138. Joel Moore (another Derby traitor on Twitter who is going against the "Fight 'till the end" narrative) 139. Lech Poznan (for having the audacity to ask for money owed to them) 140. Kieran Maguire 141. Truth 142. HBB 143. Evangelos Marinakis 144. David (moderator on the DCFC Fans forum) 145. "Interested parties" 146. Club 84 (a Twitter user who posted a blasphemous image) 147. Alan Nixon 148. Matt Slater 149. Coventry City 150. The sun 151. Jack Marriott 152. The Sex Pistols 153. QPR 154. The Bristol City Forum OTIB 155. Secret squirrels 156. FiveThirtyEight's Super Computer 157. Mr Magoo 158. Douglas Adams 159. Philip Madoc 160. Will Smith and Chris Rock 2 1 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 No 158, should’ve got a 42 point deduction. 2 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semblar Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: No 158, should’ve got a 42 point deduction. Perhaps they should add Bon Jovi to the list then, as they are halfway there (with 21 points lost) and living on a prayer... 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, Marvin said: I've been catching up on the Forest thread which provides good reading. OTIB is on the updated HMRCWRDCFC Blame List. https://www.forestforum.co.uk/threads/44511-The-demise-of-Wayne-Rooney-s-D***y-County-(in-Administration)-(and-denial)/page983 The new and improved official Derby County blame list: 1. The EFL 2. Steve Gibson 3. Neil Bausor 4. Middlesbrough 5. Rob Couhig 6. Wycombe 7. Covid 8. The ticket office 9. The HMRC 10. Nicholas Randall 11. Trevor Birch 12. Darren Bent 13. Steve McClaren 14. Danny Higginbotham 15. Richard Keogh 16. The European Super League 17. Sky Sports 18. The Football League paper 19. Burton Albion 20. Derby City Council 21. Mind (the mental health charity) 22. Opposition fans 23. The taxpayer 24. Derby's creditors 25. Forest fans that sit in the Upper Bridgford 26. Rick Parry 27. Brice Samba 28. Jack Colback 29. Simon Jordan 30. ITV Digital 31. Setanta 32. Brian Clough 33. Juventus 34. Tim Robinson 35. Lewis Grabban 36. Brennan Johnson 37. Kenny Burns 38. Nigel Clough 39. Billy Davies 40. LTLF 41. Rockabilly and his curse 42. Derby fans (whilst also being blameless at the same time) 43. Stan Collymore 44. Leeds United 45. Ed Dawes 46. Ugg (the caveman that created football, leading to the creation of the EFL) 47. Scott McKenna (for heading aeroplanes away that may contain investors, thus preventing Derby's takeover) 48. OK SpidermAndy! (for upsetting Derby fans by querying how long it will be before Derby fans nick Liverpool's "You'll Never Walk Alone" chant) 49. John Percy 50. Rob Dorsett 51. FFSForest (a Twitter user who pointed out how the absence of Derby's "unreal" supporters this season has cost them around £5m, which would help them complete the season. Clearly an EFL stooge!) 52. 166,000 empty seats (probably the fault of the seat manufacturer, rather than their "unreal" fans though) 53. Forest selling players to Olympiacos 54. Liverpool fans, Sheffield police and the Hillsboro/Govt report (making stadiums all seater prevented them from selling 60k every game) 55. Lyle Taylor 56. Adrian Durham 57. Luke Plange and Crystal Palace 58. Matt Donohue 59. Duane Holmes 60. Beardo7 and his £10 bet 61. Holland & Barrett 62. Bobby Zamora 63. Goalposts 64. Kim Leck 65. Aston Villa 66. Myself 67. The Mysterons 68. Captain Black 69. Shaggy 70. The Queen 71. RealRed85 72. Billingham Synthonia FC 73. Text messages 74. Congo_red (for daring to use facts) 75. Chevin Homes (the "preferred" partner in property) 76. Gianluca Di Marzio 77. Pozzo family (Udinese/Watford) 78. Brexit 79. Derby's Category 1 academy 80. Adam Hart-Davis 81. Birmingham City fans 82. Derby forum users Gritstone Tup and Mucker1884 (for breaking away from the hive mind and going against the narrative) 83. Chris Kirchner 84. Chris Doidge (blasphemous BBC Radio Derby presenter) 85. Daniel Taylor 86. Hasbro 87. From Software 88. Atari 89. 32 Red 90. Sheffield Wednesday fans 91. Bouncer the dog 92. Sam Longson 93. Alcohol 94. Leicester City 95. MaxiRobriguez 96. The MLS 97. The Joiners Arms in Quarndon 98. Highways England 99. Middlesbrough fans bringing facts onto Derby's forum 100. Ze list 101. Darren Huckerby 102. Del Boy and Rodney 103. Harry Enfield 104. Jeremy Simpson 105. Mason Bennett 106. Tom Lawrence 107. Ball boys 108. Scott Malone 109. Tubby pitch invaders 110. Kenny Loggins 111. Nathan Thompson 112. Vladimir Putin 113. MPs 114. "Fake" deadlines 115. The Derby Telegraph 116. The Twitter user @derbyram76 (aka Leitrim Ram) (for creating his own version of ze list) 117. Boris Johnson 118. Daleks 119. Derbyshire Mortgage Services (blasphemous mortgage firm) 120. Pancake day 121. Doctor Who and their companions 122. I'm Red Till Dead 123. BBC Radio Derby 124. Colin Fray 125. Uche Ikpeazu 126. Sky Bet 127. Mitchell and Webb 128. Cardiff City fans 129. Bungle from Rainbow (his coke addiction is causing confusion in the Quantuma offices, thus preventing Derby's takeover) 130. Notcher 131. Whoever at Nottingham Forest is asking the EFL to lobby FIFA to let players at Russian clubs walk away from their contracts 132. Chelsea 133. DC Comics 134. Preston North End 135. Billy Joel 136. Igor Novikov 137. Ben Smyth (treacherous "Derby fan" on Twitter slandering Derby's "amazing" supporters) 138. Joel Moore (another Derby traitor on Twitter who is going against the "Fight 'till the end" narrative) 139. Lech Poznan (for having the audacity to ask for money owed to them) 140. Kieran Maguire 141. Truth 142. HBB 143. Evangelos Marinakis 144. David (moderator on the DCFC Fans forum) 145. "Interested parties" 146. Club 84 (a Twitter user who posted a blasphemous image) 147. Alan Nixon 148. Matt Slater 149. Coventry City 150. The sun 151. Jack Marriott 152. The Sex Pistols 153. QPR 154. The Bristol City Forum OTIB 155. Secret squirrels 156. FiveThirtyEight's Super Computer 157. Mr Magoo 158. Douglas Adams 159. Philip Madoc 160. Will Smith and Chris Rock Can't see the X Files, GCHQ, MI5 or MI6 up there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 15 minutes ago, Marvin said: I've been catching up on the Forest thread which provides good reading. OTIB is on the updated HMRCWRDCFC Blame List. https://www.forestforum.co.uk/threads/44511-The-demise-of-Wayne-Rooney-s-D***y-County-(in-Administration)-(and-denial)/page983 The new and improved official Derby County blame list: 1. The EFL 2. Steve Gibson 3. Neil Bausor 4. Middlesbrough 5. Rob Couhig 6. Wycombe 7. Covid 8. The ticket office 9. The HMRC 10. Nicholas Randall 11. Trevor Birch 12. Darren Bent 13. Steve McClaren 14. Danny Higginbotham 15. Richard Keogh 16. The European Super League 17. Sky Sports 18. The Football League paper 19. Burton Albion 20. Derby City Council 21. Mind (the mental health charity) 22. Opposition fans 23. The taxpayer 24. Derby's creditors 25. Forest fans that sit in the Upper Bridgford 26. Rick Parry 27. Brice Samba 28. Jack Colback 29. Simon Jordan 30. ITV Digital 31. Setanta 32. Brian Clough 33. Juventus 34. Tim Robinson 35. Lewis Grabban 36. Brennan Johnson 37. Kenny Burns 38. Nigel Clough 39. Billy Davies 40. LTLF 41. Rockabilly and his curse 42. Derby fans (whilst also being blameless at the same time) 43. Stan Collymore 44. Leeds United 45. Ed Dawes 46. Ugg (the caveman that created football, leading to the creation of the EFL) 47. Scott McKenna (for heading aeroplanes away that may contain investors, thus preventing Derby's takeover) 48. OK SpidermAndy! (for upsetting Derby fans by querying how long it will be before Derby fans nick Liverpool's "You'll Never Walk Alone" chant) 49. John Percy 50. Rob Dorsett 51. FFSForest (a Twitter user who pointed out how the absence of Derby's "unreal" supporters this season has cost them around £5m, which would help them complete the season. Clearly an EFL stooge!) 52. 166,000 empty seats (probably the fault of the seat manufacturer, rather than their "unreal" fans though) 53. Forest selling players to Olympiacos 54. Liverpool fans, Sheffield police and the Hillsboro/Govt report (making stadiums all seater prevented them from selling 60k every game) 55. Lyle Taylor 56. Adrian Durham 57. Luke Plange and Crystal Palace 58. Matt Donohue 59. Duane Holmes 60. Beardo7 and his £10 bet 61. Holland & Barrett 62. Bobby Zamora 63. Goalposts 64. Kim Leck 65. Aston Villa 66. Myself 67. The Mysterons 68. Captain Black 69. Shaggy 70. The Queen 71. RealRed85 72. Billingham Synthonia FC 73. Text messages 74. Congo_red (for daring to use facts) 75. Chevin Homes (the "preferred" partner in property) 76. Gianluca Di Marzio 77. Pozzo family (Udinese/Watford) 78. Brexit 79. Derby's Category 1 academy 80. Adam Hart-Davis 81. Birmingham City fans 82. Derby forum users Gritstone Tup and Mucker1884 (for breaking away from the hive mind and going against the narrative) 83. Chris Kirchner 84. Chris Doidge (blasphemous BBC Radio Derby presenter) 85. Daniel Taylor 86. Hasbro 87. From Software 88. Atari 89. 32 Red 90. Sheffield Wednesday fans 91. Bouncer the dog 92. Sam Longson 93. Alcohol 94. Leicester City 95. MaxiRobriguez 96. The MLS 97. The Joiners Arms in Quarndon 98. Highways England 99. Middlesbrough fans bringing facts onto Derby's forum 100. Ze list 101. Darren Huckerby 102. Del Boy and Rodney 103. Harry Enfield 104. Jeremy Simpson 105. Mason Bennett 106. Tom Lawrence 107. Ball boys 108. Scott Malone 109. Tubby pitch invaders 110. Kenny Loggins 111. Nathan Thompson 112. Vladimir Putin 113. MPs 114. "Fake" deadlines 115. The Derby Telegraph 116. The Twitter user @derbyram76 (aka Leitrim Ram) (for creating his own version of ze list) 117. Boris Johnson 118. Daleks 119. Derbyshire Mortgage Services (blasphemous mortgage firm) 120. Pancake day 121. Doctor Who and their companions 122. I'm Red Till Dead 123. BBC Radio Derby 124. Colin Fray 125. Uche Ikpeazu 126. Sky Bet 127. Mitchell and Webb 128. Cardiff City fans 129. Bungle from Rainbow (his coke addiction is causing confusion in the Quantuma offices, thus preventing Derby's takeover) 130. Notcher 131. Whoever at Nottingham Forest is asking the EFL to lobby FIFA to let players at Russian clubs walk away from their contracts 132. Chelsea 133. DC Comics 134. Preston North End 135. Billy Joel 136. Igor Novikov 137. Ben Smyth (treacherous "Derby fan" on Twitter slandering Derby's "amazing" supporters) 138. Joel Moore (another Derby traitor on Twitter who is going against the "Fight 'till the end" narrative) 139. Lech Poznan (for having the audacity to ask for money owed to them) 140. Kieran Maguire 141. Truth 142. HBB 143. Evangelos Marinakis 144. David (moderator on the DCFC Fans forum) 145. "Interested parties" 146. Club 84 (a Twitter user who posted a blasphemous image) 147. Alan Nixon 148. Matt Slater 149. Coventry City 150. The sun 151. Jack Marriott 152. The Sex Pistols 153. QPR 154. The Bristol City Forum OTIB 155. Secret squirrels 156. FiveThirtyEight's Super Computer 157. Mr Magoo 158. Douglas Adams 159. Philip Madoc 160. Will Smith and Chris Rock 161. The Boogie. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Under bouncer the dog, the sex pistols and bungle from rainbow, I reckon we will be ok when the blame starts flying about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 4 hours ago, Marvin said: I've been catching up on the Forest thread which provides good reading. OTIB is on the updated HMRCWRDCFC Blame List. https://www.forestforum.co.uk/threads/44511-The-demise-of-Wayne-Rooney-s-D***y-County-(in-Administration)-(and-denial)/page983 The new and improved official Derby County blame list: 1. The EFL 2. Steve Gibson 3. Neil Bausor 4. Middlesbrough 5. Rob Couhig 6. Wycombe 7. Covid 8. The ticket office 9. The HMRC 10. Nicholas Randall 11. Trevor Birch 12. Darren Bent 13. Steve McClaren 14. Danny Higginbotham 15. Richard Keogh 16. The European Super League 17. Sky Sports 18. The Football League paper 19. Burton Albion 20. Derby City Council 21. Mind (the mental health charity) 22. Opposition fans 23. The taxpayer 24. Derby's creditors 25. Forest fans that sit in the Upper Bridgford 26. Rick Parry 27. Brice Samba 28. Jack Colback 29. Simon Jordan 30. ITV Digital 31. Setanta 32. Brian Clough 33. Juventus 34. Tim Robinson 35. Lewis Grabban 36. Brennan Johnson 37. Kenny Burns 38. Nigel Clough 39. Billy Davies 40. LTLF 41. Rockabilly and his curse 42. Derby fans (whilst also being blameless at the same time) 43. Stan Collymore 44. Leeds United 45. Ed Dawes 46. Ugg (the caveman that created football, leading to the creation of the EFL) 47. Scott McKenna (for heading aeroplanes away that may contain investors, thus preventing Derby's takeover) 48. OK SpidermAndy! (for upsetting Derby fans by querying how long it will be before Derby fans nick Liverpool's "You'll Never Walk Alone" chant) 49. John Percy 50. Rob Dorsett 51. FFSForest (a Twitter user who pointed out how the absence of Derby's "unreal" supporters this season has cost them around £5m, which would help them complete the season. Clearly an EFL stooge!) 52. 166,000 empty seats (probably the fault of the seat manufacturer, rather than their "unreal" fans though) 53. Forest selling players to Olympiacos 54. Liverpool fans, Sheffield police and the Hillsboro/Govt report (making stadiums all seater prevented them from selling 60k every game) 55. Lyle Taylor 56. Adrian Durham 57. Luke Plange and Crystal Palace 58. Matt Donohue 59. Duane Holmes 60. Beardo7 and his £10 bet 61. Holland & Barrett 62. Bobby Zamora 63. Goalposts 64. Kim Leck 65. Aston Villa 66. Myself 67. The Mysterons 68. Captain Black 69. Shaggy 70. The Queen 71. RealRed85 72. Billingham Synthonia FC 73. Text messages 74. Congo_red (for daring to use facts) 75. Chevin Homes (the "preferred" partner in property) 76. Gianluca Di Marzio 77. Pozzo family (Udinese/Watford) 78. Brexit 79. Derby's Category 1 academy 80. Adam Hart-Davis 81. Birmingham City fans 82. Derby forum users Gritstone Tup and Mucker1884 (for breaking away from the hive mind and going against the narrative) 83. Chris Kirchner 84. Chris Doidge (blasphemous BBC Radio Derby presenter) 85. Daniel Taylor 86. Hasbro 87. From Software 88. Atari 89. 32 Red 90. Sheffield Wednesday fans 91. Bouncer the dog 92. Sam Longson 93. Alcohol 94. Leicester City 95. MaxiRobriguez 96. The MLS 97. The Joiners Arms in Quarndon 98. Highways England 99. Middlesbrough fans bringing facts onto Derby's forum 100. Ze list 101. Darren Huckerby 102. Del Boy and Rodney 103. Harry Enfield 104. Jeremy Simpson 105. Mason Bennett 106. Tom Lawrence 107. Ball boys 108. Scott Malone 109. Tubby pitch invaders 110. Kenny Loggins 111. Nathan Thompson 112. Vladimir Putin 113. MPs 114. "Fake" deadlines 115. The Derby Telegraph 116. The Twitter user @derbyram76 (aka Leitrim Ram) (for creating his own version of ze list) 117. Boris Johnson 118. Daleks 119. Derbyshire Mortgage Services (blasphemous mortgage firm) 120. Pancake day 121. Doctor Who and their companions 122. I'm Red Till Dead 123. BBC Radio Derby 124. Colin Fray 125. Uche Ikpeazu 126. Sky Bet 127. Mitchell and Webb 128. Cardiff City fans 129. Bungle from Rainbow (his coke addiction is causing confusion in the Quantuma offices, thus preventing Derby's takeover) 130. Notcher 131. Whoever at Nottingham Forest is asking the EFL to lobby FIFA to let players at Russian clubs walk away from their contracts 132. Chelsea 133. DC Comics 134. Preston North End 135. Billy Joel 136. Igor Novikov 137. Ben Smyth (treacherous "Derby fan" on Twitter slandering Derby's "amazing" supporters) 138. Joel Moore (another Derby traitor on Twitter who is going against the "Fight 'till the end" narrative) 139. Lech Poznan (for having the audacity to ask for money owed to them) 140. Kieran Maguire 141. Truth 142. HBB 143. Evangelos Marinakis 144. David (moderator on the DCFC Fans forum) 145. "Interested parties" 146. Club 84 (a Twitter user who posted a blasphemous image) 147. Alan Nixon 148. Matt Slater 149. Coventry City 150. The sun 151. Jack Marriott 152. The Sex Pistols 153. QPR 154. The Bristol City Forum OTIB 155. Secret squirrels 156. FiveThirtyEight's Super Computer 157. Mr Magoo 158. Douglas Adams 159. Philip Madoc 160. Will Smith and Chris Rock Unless I am very much mistaken Mr Popodopolous is not on there. WTF! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) Seen a suggestion by a couple of posters that Derby/Derbyshire Council buy Pride Park and lease it back to the club. That would be one way, it would mean the EFL could add in a fair market rent in place of the actual likely rent for FFP purposes- perhaps based on the original transaction and the original rental arrangements as recommended by Derby's Independent valuer. Whether spending taxpayers money on such a deal in times of inflation etc would be justifiable though is another debate? Edited March 31, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Seen a suggestion by a couple of posters that Derby/Derbyshire Council buy Pride Park and lease it back to the club. That would be one way, it would mean the EFL could add in a fair market rent- perhaps based on the original transaction. Whether spending taxpayers money on such a deal in times of inflation etc would be justifiable though is another debate? It does sound like the sort of thing that could work . Being a one club City makes it a little easier, and if the deal was done in a way to make the Council money in time I could see it happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: It does sound like the sort of thing that could work . Being a one club City makes it a little easier, and if the deal was done in a way to make the Council money in time I could see it happening. Council pay off debt to MSD/Mel and acquire the ground, How about this? The first bit then the lease/agreement... 10% rent- £2.-2.5m per year maybe depending on exactly how big the debt around Pride Park is, upward in line with inflation or downward if we get deflation Split the commercial revenue 50/50 with the council, either put an unilateral option for the club to buy after a given period or revert back to the club after the Council hit a certain profit. Repairs the responsibility of the club. Edited March 31, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Seen a suggestion by a couple of posters that Derby/Derbyshire Council buy Pride Park and lease it back to the club. That would be one way, it would mean the EFL could add in a fair market rent- perhaps based on the original transaction. Whether spending taxpayers money on such a deal in times of inflation etc would be justifiable though is another debate? I guess. Although there may be several legal barriers. But I’m not sure that changes the issues much. Yes you could trust Derbyshire council a lot more than Mel who would eff you over as soon as he could. However 25m+ of tax debt not a bean in the bank a load of out of contract players etc wouldn’t change. How much is the name Derby County worth to anyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) Shouldn't bite but it's too easy- a bit like distinguishing between 'their and there...' Except this time he's taken it a bit further, Old Man Gee Screamer !! Quote I'll collect the paper plates they'll all be using for us, to save for for all my parties. Apart from Bristol City, Forest and the thick Neanderthals constantly posting on twitter from Coventry, Boro and Digbeth. They'll get the best Royal Crown Derby. I'll stick the OTIB socially deficient society on the guest list for there's. They could do with a night out and some sunshine away from the basements. Anyone. Edited March 31, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 hour ago, REDOXO said: Unless I am very much mistaken Mr Popodopolous is not on there. WTF! He needs to up his game with more home truths, facts and common sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 24 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Council pay off debt to MSD/Mel and acquire the ground, How about this? The first bit then the lease/agreement... 10% rent- £2.-2.5m per year maybe depending on exactly how big the debt around Pride Park is, upward in line with inflation or downward if we get deflation Split the commercial revenue 50/50 with the council, either put an unilateral option for the club to buy after a given period or revert back to the club after the Council hit a certain profit. Repairs the responsibility of the club. There could be many ways it could be structured. Bottom line would be the Council get yearly payments, over a minimum time. Then when the Club are able they could buy the ground back at a small premium. A loan sum could be added to the yearly fee. I'm no accountant, but I could see it working and the non football locals could be placated by the fact the ground would be effectively subsidising their Council Tax. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Latest update from Quantuma. Not even worth posting. Nothing to say, nothing is happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: There could be many ways it could be structured. Bottom line would be the Council get yearly payments, over a minimum time. Then when the Club are able they could buy the ground back at a small premium. A loan sum could be added to the yearly fee. I'm no accountant, but I could see it working and the non football locals could be placated by the fact the ground would be effectively subsidising their Council Tax. Agreed- although seen one suggestion whereby the council buy it and rent it back to the club for £1 per year...that'd be a harder sell for a range of reasons IMO! Again though, could enable the EFL to go back to the 2018 deal and the "Fair Rent" potentially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60946333 So nearly a week to sift through both applicants and still unable to come up with a preferred bidder. A new one for the NF blame list above, the preferred bidder for being awkward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, Hxj said: Latest update from Quantuma. Not even worth posting. Nothing to say, nothing is happening. Friday tomorrow so no doubt all will be revealed.......................................... Or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 hour ago, REDOXO said: Unless I am very much mistaken Mr Popodopolous is not on there. WTF! FFS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Just now, Lanterne Rouge said: Friday tomorrow so no doubt all will be revealed.......................................... Or not. Got their excuses in early, see my link above. Now blaming the bidders for undermining the process. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, Hxj said: Latest update from Quantuma. Not even worth posting. Nothing to say, nothing is happening.... ....but it is happening imminently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 49 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: It does sound like the sort of thing that could work . Being a one club City makes it a little easier, and if the deal was done in a way to make the Council money in time I could see it happening. 47 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Council pay off debt to MSD/Mel and acquire the ground, How about this? The first bit then the lease/agreement... 10% rent- £2.-2.5m per year maybe depending on exactly how big the debt around Pride Park is, upward in line with inflation or downward if we get deflation Split the commercial revenue 50/50 with the council, either put an unilateral option for the club to buy after a given period or revert back to the club after the Council hit a certain profit. Repairs the responsibility of the club. Both councils should buy the whole club on a joint basis. Then we could have DCCDCCDCFC! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 28 minutes ago, Marvin said: He needs to up his game with more home truths, facts and common sense. When it comes to Derby fans... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 One side note I had almost forgotten about. The Wycombe claim- has this just been dropped, ignored or what? Irrespective of the merits of it, I'm pretty sure Couhig has not dropped it- or is it the case that it's such a small amount they could win that it is no impediment, £100k something like that...but from what I read online, there is no indication that Wycombe have withdrawn it e.g. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60946333 So nearly a week to sift through both applicants and still unable to come up with a preferred bidder. A new one for the NF blame list above, the preferred bidder for being awkward. When Q say sifting through PBs they mean “probably bullshit”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, downendcity said: ....but nothing is happening imminently. Fixed that for you! Please..:.Can the Derby fan who told me on here to believe what I like, but the deal is done it’s just Gibson holding it up come back, so I can better understand what’s going on now! Edited March 31, 2022 by REDOXO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 47 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Agreed- although seen one suggestion whereby the council buy it and rent it back to the club for £1 per year...that'd be a harder sell for a range of reasons IMO! Again though, could enable the EFL to go back to the 2018 deal and the "Fair Rent" potentially. The problem there is Football fans thinking everyone cares about the Club, they don't. I'd be going mad if , as a non Football person, I saw my Council Tax going towards a thing that has had millions thrown at it, and wasted. I imagine the Council would be aware enough to realise. Again, it needs people to be sensible, Football fans rarely are. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 44 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60946333 So nearly a week to sift through both applicants and still unable to come up with a preferred bidder. A new one for the NF blame list above, the preferred bidder for being awkward. Last week's statement was: Joint administrators Quantuma issued a statement on Friday saying they will "assess the merits of all bids received over the weekend of 26-27 March and identify their preferred bidder". "This will be the bid which we feel best secures the long-term future of the club," it added. "Early next week, the joint administrators will commence discussions with the EFL. "Further to their approval to proceed, we will then be in a position to publicly name the preferred bidder". So another deadline missed - all in good faith of course, no question of misleading anyone and naturally it's somebody else's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: The problem there is Football fans thinking everyone cares about the Club, they don't. I'd be going mad if , as a non Football person, I saw my Council Tax going towards a thing that has had millions thrown at it, and wasted. I imagine the Council would be aware enough to realise. Again, it needs people to be sensible, Football fans rarely are. Agreed. That proposal ie the £1 rent, I see no commercial rationale whatsoever. Would it be a good use of public money in these straitened times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 the whole thing is just a basket case, why dont the efl just do the decent thing, put everyone there out of their misery and boot them out the league so they can go bust and get it all wrote off? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Just now, Mr Popodopolous said: Would it be a good use of public money in these straitened times. Only if the council is prepared to cut £20m worth of services to fund the purchase of a football stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) I was wrong, something may have happened. Rumours that Appleby has left the party. Looks like there are no bidders and maybe some uninterested parties. Couldn't make it up. Edited March 31, 2022 by Hxj 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, chinapig said: Only if the council is prepared to cut £20m worth of services to fund the purchase of a football stadium. Yeah, agreed. Unless they're sitting on a big surplus I guess but hard to justify unless there will be a tangible benefit to the council in the medium to financial term ie rent, commercial revenue arrangements etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted March 31, 2022 Admin Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 hour ago, redsquirrel said: the whole thing is just a basket case, why dont the efl just do the decent thing, put everyone there out of their misery and boot them out the league so they can go bust and get it all wrote off? Possibly waiting for the season to end? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 9 minutes ago, phantom said: Possibly waiting for the season to end? This - EFL have been doing everything in their power NOT to deal with this before the fixtures are finished. It will be allowed to go on for a while yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, phantom said: Possibly waiting for the season to end? Yes, the EFL are satisfied Derby have enough money to finish the season. As it stands there will then be no money left and liquidation logically follows. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 11 hours ago, 1960maaan said: The problem there is Football fans thinking everyone cares about the Club, they don't. I'd be going mad if , as a non Football person, I saw my Council Tax going towards a thing that has had millions thrown at it, and wasted. I imagine the Council would be aware enough to realise. Again, it needs people to be sensible, Football fans rarely are. Plymouth council bought Home Park when Argyle was going through one of its regular meltdowns and leased or rented it back to them. When they were back to having a solvent owner they bought it back. As long as it's all at fair market prices it looks a sensible way for a council to behave: they receive a market return on their investment whilst preserving a sports ground in the middle of the city from redevelopment. I don't live in Bristol but would like to think that the council would step in if either City or Rovers were in financial trouble to prevent the grounds from disappearing under yet more housing; as long as it was transparent and at market rates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 11 hours ago, Hxj said: I was wrong, something may have happened. Rumours that Appleby has left the party. Looks like there are no bidders and maybe some uninterested parties. Couldn't make it up. Spot on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 14 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: Plymouth council bought Home Park when Argyle was going through one of its regular meltdowns and leased or rented it back to them. When they were back to having a solvent owner they bought it back. As long as it's all at fair market prices it looks a sensible way for a council to behave: they receive a market return on their investment whilst preserving a sports ground in the middle of the city from redevelopment. I don't live in Bristol but would like to think that the council would step in if either City or Rovers were in financial trouble to prevent the grounds from disappearing under yet more housing; as long as it was transparent and at market rates. The problem in Bristol is that having 2 clubs, inevitably 2 sections of the population will be against it. The non football people, and Fans of the other Club. I seem to remember that it was mentioned on here, R*vers stepped in to stop the Council helping us in 82. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Spot on. So who are the parties delaying and undermining the process? Is this another attempt to blame the EFL knowing Derby fans will lap it up as usual and deflect attention from Quantuma? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 18 minutes ago, chinapig said: So who are the parties delaying and undermining the process? Is this another attempt to blame the EFL knowing Derby fans will lap it up as usual and deflect attention from Quantuma? Quantuma - Latin for “blame everyone else lots”. (possibly) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster Footman's T shirt Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Just now, Davefevs said: Quantuma - Latin for “blame everyone else lots”. (possibly) Nearly right it is actually "imminently blame everyone else lots" (Possibly) 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, billywedlock said: Looks to me like no one wants to pay the asking price, and has been that way for a very long time. Is the sticking point is Morris and the ground, and what he is trying to salvage for himself. likely to be one of the hurdles, but I’m not convinced any agreement (tentative or not) has been reached with HMRC either. So many opinions that 25p/£1 is done and dusted, which imho is a ludicrous assumption. Payment plan, maybe, but they’d still want a good slug up front wouldn’t they? Ashley is a bit of a distressed sale master, he will be hanging this one out as long as he can, stringing them along , knowing that there is no funding after the last game of the season. If he makes a short term deal to play away from Pride Park, it leaves Morris with a facility no one wants, and a £20m debt against it. I do not see the club liquidated, but as it has no players and no ground, how can it be worth anything ? This will go to the wire, and IMHO will go to the end of the season now. yep, this is right up Ashley’s street, and like or dislike him and his practices, Derby need someone who can run a tight ship…and he will do that. Your notion of playing away from Pride Park would piss on Mel’s chips, and I wonder if 1) that’s what he’s angling for and 2) Mel knows that and is trying to steer Quantuma towards other bidders. Either Ashley wins, or Derby get liquidated. Morris ducked up when he sold PP. Derby County playing at the Proact Stadium (Chesterfield) next season. Most probably in the same league. Has a lot of legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 16 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Council pay off debt to MSD/Mel and acquire the ground, How about this? The first bit then the lease/agreement... 10% rent- £2.-2.5m per year maybe depending on exactly how big the debt around Pride Park is, upward in line with inflation or downward if we get deflation Split the commercial revenue 50/50 with the council, either put an unilateral option for the club to buy after a given period or revert back to the club after the Council hit a certain profit. Repairs the responsibility of the club. Is MM still an ambassador for business and innovation for Derby and Derbyshire council? A buyout by the relative councils of the ground would take a feat of legal dexterity in a short period under those circumstances! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said: Plymouth council bought Home Park when Argyle was going through one of its regular meltdowns and leased or rented it back to them. When they were back to having a solvent owner they bought it back. As long as it's all at fair market prices it looks a sensible way for a council to behave: they receive a market return on their investment whilst preserving a sports ground in the middle of the city from redevelopment. I don't live in Bristol but would like to think that the council would step in if either City or Rovers were in financial trouble to prevent the grounds from disappearing under yet more housing; as long as it was transparent and at market rates. Don't disagree- in principle although very straitened times and local Government have become badly stretched in the last 10-15 years from what I understand. That bit aside, yes if it's fair value and transparent- don't disagree...think Plymouth paid 8-9% rent ie that was the yield, saw an article or a document a while ago when looking into stadium transactions. I think along the lines of the kind of deal structure I suggested would benefit all. The £1 rent however suggested on their forum...especially with straitened times both nationally and with local Govt. finances and inflation!? Found it- £1.6m fee paid, rent was £135k per year. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-15354187 There was also a buyback option. Quote The council deal means Argyle would have an option to buy back the ground every five years for a sum equal to 12 times the then annual rent. Let's extrapolate for Derby. £22m MSD debt, Pride Park to council. Rent therefore £1,856,250 per year. 5 years in they can buy back at £22,275,000 should they so choose. As I said last night though, with a) The extra revenue streams via Pride Park and b) A bigger fanbase (although Plymouth could easily attract a major fanbase top end Championship or above IMO) the deal can be more creative. 1 hour ago, REDOXO said: Is MM still an ambassador for business and innovation for Derby and Derbyshire council? A buyout by the relative councils of the ground would take a feat of legal dexterity in a short period under those circumstances! He is yes, I believe. https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/mel-morris-role-business-ambassador-6557839 Last bit on it, not looked into it in depth but unsure that it did change substantially! Sounds like he still is! https://twitter.com/search?q=mel morris ambassador&src=typed_query&f=live https://twitter.com/search?q=derbycc ambassador&src=typed_query&f=live Pretty unbelievable if true, no? Edited April 1, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said: I don't live in Bristol but would like to think that the council would step in if either City or Rovers were in financial trouble to prevent the grounds from disappearing under yet more housing; as long as it was transparent and at market rates. Absolutely no chance of Bristol City Council supporting either team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, chinapig said: So who are the parties delaying and undermining the process? Is this another attempt to blame the EFL knowing Derby fans will lap it up as usual and deflect attention from Quantuma? Yes, sounds like it is. Clearly, if Quantuma's straw man is invisible then the inference is that they're making things up to suit their agenda. (Which seems to be 'make sure we aren't hired by anyone again',) Edited April 1, 2022 by Sleepy1968 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 41 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Don't disagree- in principle although very straitened times and local Government have become badly stretched in the last 10-15 years from what I understand. That bit aside, yes if it's fair value and transparent- don't disagree...think Plymouth paid 8-9% rent ie that was the yield, saw an article or a document a while ago when looking into stadium transactions. I think along the lines of the kind of deal structure I suggested would benefit all. The £1 rent however suggested on their forum...especially with straitened times both nationally and with local Govt. finances and inflation!? Found it- £1.6m fee paid, rent was £135k per year. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-15354187 There was also a buyback option. Let's extrapolate for Derby. £22m MSD debt, Pride Park to council. Rent therefore £1,856,250 per year. 5 years in they can buy back at £22,275,000 should they so choose. As I said last night though, with a) The extra revenue streams via Pride Park and b) A bigger fanbase (although Plymouth could easily attract a major fanbase top end Championship or above IMO) the deal can be more creative. He is yes, I believe. https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/mel-morris-role-business-ambassador-6557839 Last bit on it, not looked into it in depth but unsure that it did change substantially! Sounds like he still is! https://twitter.com/search?q=mel morris ambassador&src=typed_query&f=live https://twitter.com/search?q=derbycc ambassador&src=typed_query&f=live Pretty unbelievable if true, no? Nothing is unbelievable about this shitfest, however it does really put the tin hat on everything. If he is still the business/innovation ambassador any purchase of the ground by Derby/Derbyshire will be fraught with challenges and to be frank even if he resigned it will be too!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) My time has come...had a quick scroll and I appear to have made "Ze List!" https://www.forestforum.co.uk/threads/44511-The-demise-of-Wayne-Rooney-s-D***y-County-(in-Administration)-(and-denial)/page987 Edited April 1, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous 1 5 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: My time has come...had a quick scroll and I appear to have made "Ze List!" https://www.forestforum.co.uk/threads/44511-The-demise-of-Wayne-Rooney-s-D***y-County-(in-Administration)-(and-denial)/page987 Do you get a badge? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: My time has come...had a quick scroll and I appear to have made "Ze List!" https://www.forestforum.co.uk/threads/44511-The-demise-of-Wayne-Rooney-s-D***y-County-(in-Administration)-(and-denial)/page987 Only 164. I think you have been as overlooked as Will Smith at the Oscars! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, chinapig said: Do you get a badge? Presumably the Forest fans plant a tree for him. Congrats @Mr Popodopolous, I'm off to amend my Supporter of the Year nomination right now. Edited April 1, 2022 by ExiledAjax 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Rooney is on an absolute stormer in today's press conference. 12 minutes later... I shall leave this just here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 53 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Rooney is on an absolute stormer in today's press conference. 12 minutes later... I shall leave this just here. What a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 26 minutes ago, Davefevs said: What a joke. Umbro taking a big leap of faith if they've not already been paid for the kit! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) Quick bit- I'll leave others who know more about it than me but wondering how it all works- here is some of the MSD stuff and by process of elimination August 2020 and October 2020 appear to be Derby related. Not actually altogether clear where the August 2020 one is tbh- it used to be on there! https://tisegroup.com/market/companies/8061 Maybe it only goes back so far? I looked at it a while back. By process of elimination the Derby loan might be at 7.75% interest. They loan to a range of clubs and businesses but has the October 2020 one just amalgamated with the August 2020 one? Unsecured loan notes though...that can't be right because MSD as at CH have plenty of security- floating, fixed etc IIRC. Edited April 1, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 19 hours ago, Waconda said: This - EFL have been doing everything in their power NOT to deal with this before the fixtures are finished. It will be allowed to go on for a while yet. It's not the efl's responsibility to sort Derby County out, that's the administrators responsibility, The efls responsibility is to make sure clubs stick to the rules, Derby didn't do this and has been punished, Derby have the money to forfil their fixtures and should be alloud too, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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