Derby County

[ExiledAjax]

Hopefully a new dawn, a new attitude, and a new perspective for the Club and everyone that supports it.

[SBB]

18 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Hopefully a new dawn, a new attitude, and a new perspective for the Club and everyone that supports it.

Yeeeeeah, about the last bit..
 

[semblar]

Not Derby related btu when clicking on the EFL statement linked, it was very nice to see a picture of Alex Scott as part of the tile linking to the U19 final

[ExiledAjax]

5 minutes ago, SBB said:

Yeeeeeah, about the last bit..
 

It's Friday night, I've got a cracking weekend planned, allow me some wild and speculative optimism.

[Porto Red]

Apparently I did read 83 pages of this, but life is possibly too short to catch up with all 156 now, so could someone please précis the remaining 73? Muito obrigado

[ExiledAjax]

1 minute ago, Porto Red said:

Apparently I did read 83 pages of this, but life is possibly too short to catch up with all 156 now, so could someone please précis the remaining 73? Muito obrigado

• Wayne Rooney and the Little Ram that Could
• Bank Holidays
• The general nature, extent of, and reasons for international anti-money laundering checks
• Oh, don't worry. Chris Kirchner is a fraud
• Congratulations to @Mr Popodopolous for making 'ze List'.
• Will it be -3, -15, kicked out? Who knows!?
• Mike?
• Wayne Rooney and the Weirdly Paid Wages
• Wayne Rooney and the Long (but suddenly very short) Goodbye
• Oh look it's some local bloke. 
• That's that then...
• ...for now.

[Porto Red]

1 minute ago, ExiledAjax said:

• Wayne Rooney and the Little Ram that Could
• Bank Holidays
• The general nature, extent of, and reasons for international anti-money laundering checks
• Oh, don't worry. Chris Kirchner is a fraud
• Congratulations to @Mr Popodopolous for making 'ze List'.
• Will it be -3, -15, kicked out? Who knows!?
• Mike?
• Wayne Rooney and the Weirdly Paid Wages
• Wayne Rooney and the Long (but suddenly very short) Goodbye
• Oh look it's some local bloke. 
• That's that then...
• ...for now.

On the one hand, this is clearly quite brilliant. On the other, I'm really none the wiser

[chinapig]

5 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

• Wayne Rooney and the Little Ram that Could
• Bank Holidays
• The general nature, extent of, and reasons for international anti-money laundering checks
• Oh, don't worry. Chris Kirchner is a fraud
• Congratulations to @Mr Popodopolous for making 'ze List'.
• Will it be -3, -15, kicked out? Who knows!?
• Mike?
• Wayne Rooney and the Weirdly Paid Wages
• Wayne Rooney and the Long (but suddenly very short) Goodbye
• Oh look it's some local bloke. 
• That's that then...
• ...for now.

You missed: 

• Please Sir, what does "imminent" mean?

[Mr Popodopolous]

Well I didn't think they would go bankrupt though I am glad they have suffered.

I was pondering the other day whether it would change their fans much but I doubt it- in certain aspects ie EFL regs and so forth, the most arrogant, know-nothing fanbase I have seen at this level- I am not including those who are largely PL just down for a while but consistently Championship based clubs. Clowes seems decent from early bits and what I've read- they don't deserve him I expect a sizeable minority of their entitled fans. Wish I'd gone to Pride Park in April but there's still time- maybe next season if I see my mate up North.

Get that writ in Mr. Couhig unless the claim has already been settled. Key q too is what % to HMRC...public money is public money after all.

Edited July 1, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[ExiledAjax]

1 minute ago, Porto Red said:

On the one hand, this is clearly quite brilliant. On the other, I'm really none the wiser

Muito obrigado for writing my epitaph. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Are Derby fans forgetting about Couhig so soon- don't think he's gone away, nor will he.

Unless Clowes has already done the decent thing- or the expedient thing- and settled on some level.

Edited July 1, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

I'm not disappointed Derby have survived just so long as the EFL cut them no slack moving forward- ie uphold the rules as the rules need to be upheld.

[Porto Red]

17 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Muito obrigado for writing my epitaph. 

You and me both brother, you and me both

[Lanterne Rouge]

And I don`t suppose we will ever find out how little they have to pay to HMRC.

If it is the full amount they would be shouting it from the rooftops.

Posted with gritted teeth having just paid my quarterly VAT bill IN FULL.

[chinapig]

14 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

And I don`t suppose we will ever find out how little they have to pay to HMRC.

If it is the full amount they would be shouting it from the rooftops.

Posted with gritted teeth having just paid my quarterly VAT bill IN FULL.

Other clubs are angry that Derby have almost certainly have got away with it and will want answers.

I would certainly be asking HMRC whether they honoured their claim that they never accept less than the full amount of tax due.

[cider11]

I saw this a bit ago on Facebook from bbc sport. It gave me a chuckle:

 

 

[Lanterne Rouge]

1 minute ago, chinapig said:

Other clubs are angry that Derby have almost certainly have got away with it and will want answers.

I would certainly be asking HMRC whether they honoured their claim that they never accept less than the full amount of tax due.

And they`ll say it`s commercially sensitive information and refuse. Does FOI cover things like this? I doubt it.

[chinapig]

2 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

And they`ll say it`s commercially sensitive information and refuse. Does FOI cover things like this? I doubt it.

I doubt FOI applies and a commercially sensitive defence would allow HMRC to get away with lying about its policy.

Pretty sure details will leak though, which may lead to some fun.

[Lanterne Rouge]

Just now, chinapig said:

I doubt FOI applies and a commercially sensitive defence would allow HMRC to get away with lying about its policy.

Pretty sure details will leak though, which may lead to some fun.

There are bound to be some Forest fans who work for HMRC..............................................................

[Mr Popodopolous]

Remember Derby MPs have been having a good moan- maybe fans of other law abiding clubs should lobby their MPs to lobby HMRC about disclosure or precedents.

Edited July 1, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[ScottishRed]

1 hour ago, chinapig said:

Other clubs are angry that Derby have almost certainly have got away with it and will want answers.

I would certainly be asking HMRC whether they honoured their claim that they never accept less than the full amount of tax due.

IF, HMRC have not been paid in full or have accepted a plan to be paid in full, it completely opens the flood gates.

I am really interested in what the detail of this is. Doubt I will get it though....

[ScottishRed]

6 minutes ago, billywedlock said:

They should have been made bankrupt . Instead we have public taxes being defaulted . So they can still play in L1 . It’s a disgrace . They have taken the pants down of HMRC and every tax payer . When you owe that about how on earth can you just have a slap on the hands . Derby should be starting anew from a very very low league position . 
 

so in football it pays to defraud HMRC . 

Just saw your post and completely agree. IF it is the case, there are enough questionable owners of football clubs that will be taking full advantage.

[AnotherDerbyFan]

4 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Well I didn't think they would go bankrupt though I am glad they have suffered.

I was pondering the other day whether it would change their fans much but I doubt it- in certain aspects ie EFL regs and so forth, the most arrogant, know-nothing fanbase I have seen at this level- I am not including those who are largely PL just down for a while but consistently Championship based clubs. Clowes seems decent from early bits and what I've read- they don't deserve him I expect a sizeable minority of their entitled fans. Wish I'd gone to Pride Park in April but there's still time- maybe next season if I see my mate up North.

Get that writ in Mr. Couhig unless the claim has already been settled. Key q too is what % to HMRC...public money is public money after all.

You really are a very sad individual.

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 hours ago, AnotherDerbyFan said:

You really are a very sad individual.

Well, a percentage on your forum are very ill-informed, ignorant and arrogant or have been about these matters.

Anyway it's a small price for being on the side of right- some of the stuff last year was hilarious- some of the stuff for 2.5 years has been hilarious!

Not as sad as a thread last August "Has the Embargo been lifted"! What a daft one that was. Progress to a Business Plan perhaps but as to the question fully lifted, well the thread was made on 6th July 2021- well Father Dick Byrne has the answer...

In all reality, justice done kinda- what with the -12, FFP sorted- relegation and the accompanying Embargo/Business Plan. From a footballing perspective boxes ticked.

Edited July 2, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

4 hours ago, billywedlock said:

They should have been made bankrupt . Instead we have public taxes being defaulted . So they can still play in L1 . It’s a disgrace . They have taken the pants down of HMRC and every tax payer . When you owe that about how on earth can you just have a slap on the hands . Derby should be starting anew from a very very low league position . 
 

so in football it pays to defraud HMRC . 

Oh yes in a football context I meant- well I dunno, the EFL Insolvency Policy seems to it would appear classify HMRC and Unsecured Creditors as one and the same although none of us have seen it.

Granted none of us know what % is being paid- either now or over time. Could be high- we don't know do we.

Edited July 2, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

Ha I said I wouldn't quote DCFCFans anymore but sometimes you just gotta...

YaniP- he appears to have been playing "pass the brain cell" or lost it, dropped it or something- forgotten his meds I expect- for him to talk about idiocy or morons given the cognitive dissonance on that site in some time, the conspiracy theory whining really is funny.

Actual cogent post not that I agree with all of it from Gee Screamer though, has he remembered to take his tablets today or something- or maybe he's laying off the booze for a change. Yes if Derby had paid their creditors then we wouldn't be having this discussion- the P&S/FFP bit would have been a fail either IRL or likely to 2020/21.

As for Gibson and Couhig, the EFL won a hard won victory and that gave those two the platform to make their claim in a sense.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Should probably also add that this is the third time in not much longer than a generation that Derby have had an Insolvency Event of some kind...some prolifigate owners clearly.

This, 2002 or 2003 in and out of admin briefly and 1984. 3 Insolvency Events in a shade under 40 years.

[Hxj]

Out with the old and in with the new.

Looking at the Companies House filings over the last few days it is now possible to say that:

1.  Clowes Developments (UK) Limited now directly owns the stadium owning company Gellaw 202 Newco Ltd

2.  Clowes Developments (UK) Limited incorporated a new subsidiary Totem Newco Limited which acquired the football club assets or the company which acquired the football club assets

So looks as if the club and stadium remain separated.

Some of the figures being banded around don't make sense from the accounts.

[Kodjias Wrist]

Really surprised how thick some of the Derby mob are on this. 

[exAtyeoMax]

1 hour ago, Hxj said:

Out with the old and in with the new.

Looking at the Companies House filings over the last few days it is now possible to say that:

1.  Clowes Developments (UK) Limited now directly owns the stadium owning company Gellaw 202 Newco Ltd

2.  Clowes Developments (UK) Limited incorporated a new subsidiary Totem Newco Limited which acquired the football club assets or the company which acquired the football club assets

So looks as if the club and stadium remain separated.

Some of the figures being banded around don't make sense from the accounts.

How much did they pay for the stadium?

[Davefevs]

8 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Ha I said I wouldn't quote DCFCFans anymore but sometimes you just gotta...

YaniP- he appears to have been playing "pass the brain cell" or lost it, dropped it or something- forgotten his meds I expect- for him to talk about idiocy or morons given the cognitive dissonance on that site in some time, the conspiracy theory whining really is funny.

Actual cogent post not that I agree with all of it from Gee Screamer though, has he remembered to take his tablets today or something- or maybe he's laying off the booze for a change. Yes if Derby had paid their creditors then we wouldn't be having this discussion- the P&S/FFP bit would have been a fail either IRL or likely to 2020/21.

As for Gibson and Couhig, the EFL won a hard won victory and that gave those two the platform to make their claim in a sense.

The stupid thing is had Mel not lost patience and accepted the -9 points, they’d have stayed up, they’d have probably kept Rooney, Ebosele, Ebiowei, Plange, and all the other young diamonds they had, plus a few others. But his reaction to the impending likelihood of -9 was to think they were likely to go down, so he pressed the panic button and went the whole hog into admin for another -12.

But Morris knew he’d already bought himself some security with the stadium being separated.  But he complicated the sale of the club as a result, and made it less attractive as a Lg1 club rather than a Champ club fighting to stay up.  Rooney actually did a great job in giving optimism that even with -21 he’d give it a go.

Morris has gotten out of this lightly, how Derby fans haven’t turned up at his residence with pitchforks baying for his blood I don’t know.

So now the new owner will start in Lg1, under a business plan, details we don’t know of yet and a squad of players that are likely to be chased as “of professional standing” and taking up many of the 23 man squad places.  We are already hearing talks of Conor Hourihane signing…on what wages, over what term (1yr max?)…hopefully that is just media talk.

Looking forward to seeing the actual squad / recruitment position clarified.

 

[chinapig]

13 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

The stupid thing is had Mel not lost patience and accepted the -9 points, they’d have stayed up, they’d have probably kept Rooney, Ebosele, Ebiowei, Plange, and all the other young diamonds they had, plus a few others. But his reaction to the impending likelihood of -9 was to think they were likely to go down, so he pressed the panic button and went the whole hog into admin for another -12.

But Morris knew he’d already bought himself some security with the stadium being separated.  But he complicated the sale of the club as a result, and made it less attractive as a Lg1 club rather than a Champ club fighting to stay up.  Rooney actually did a great job in giving optimism that even with -21 he’d give it a go.

Morris has gotten out of this lightly, how Derby fans haven’t turned up at his residence with pitchforks baying for his blood I don’t know.

So now the new owner will start in Lg1, under a business plan, details we don’t know of yet and a squad of players that are likely to be chased as “of professional standing” and taking up many of the 23 man squad places.  We are already hearing talks of Conor Hourihane signing…on what wages, over what term (1yr max?)…hopefully that is just media talk.

Looking forward to seeing the actual squad / recruitment position clarified.

 

Had Morris not put the club into administration they may indeed have raised a fair bit of cash from selling players. Trouble is that would have to have been used to pay off the debts he had deliberately run up and he had no intention of doing that. Nor would Derby fans have accepted it.

[chinapig]

29 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

How much did they pay for the stadium?

£81m. Oh, hang on, apparently not. And yet it was definitely worth that. How odd.

[Hxj]

51 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

How much did they pay for the stadium?

The best guess is that Clowes Development £1 for the stadium company and took on £22 million in debt. 

The figures currently don't make a huge amount of sense, but will look at further.

[Mr Popodopolous]

3 hours ago, Davefevs said:

The stupid thing is had Mel not lost patience and accepted the -9 points, they’d have stayed up, they’d have probably kept Rooney, Ebosele, Ebiowei, Plange, and all the other young diamonds they had, plus a few others. But his reaction to the impending likelihood of -9 was to think they were likely to go down, so he pressed the panic button and went the whole hog into admin for another -12.

But Morris knew he’d already bought himself some security with the stadium being separated.  But he complicated the sale of the club as a result, and made it less attractive as a Lg1 club rather than a Champ club fighting to stay up.  Rooney actually did a great job in giving optimism that even with -21 he’d give it a go.

Morris has gotten out of this lightly, how Derby fans haven’t turned up at his residence with pitchforks baying for his blood I don’t know.

So now the new owner will start in Lg1, under a business plan, details we don’t know of yet and a squad of players that are likely to be chased as “of professional standing” and taking up many of the 23 man squad places.  We are already hearing talks of Conor Hourihane signing…on what wages, over what term (1yr max?)…hopefully that is just media talk.

Looking forward to seeing the actual squad / recruitment position clarified.

 

Well this is it. Could have arranged or offered some kind of multi-year payment plan, perhaps with a portion of cash from the club as a partial guarantee each year, ring-fenced, taken the P&S deduction and Business Plan and stayed up as you say. Plenty left in Jan 2022, young diamonds for sure.

Agreed- excellent job and it looked on at various stages.

Agreed- he really has and another thing to mention is that in the mini Parliamentary debate on Derby this week- a few MPs queried the Sports Minister- fairly sure the name "Mel Morris" didn't cross their collective lips once. He is ultimately to blame- on varying levels below but he is ultimately to blame...would have to re-read it.

I do hope the "Professional Standing" reg is still applicable- certainly should be or "Permitted Players" at minimum as per the Business Plan for Reading and to a lesser extent Derby last season. Chester, Hourihane, Barkhuizen and Mendez-Laing all linked...how many of them if any would fit a Business Plan that is suitable for the circs I don't know- certainly not Hourihane and perhaps 2 of the others? Free agents though they are, unsure any seem appropriate.

Edited July 2, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[Davefevs]

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/embargoes/embargoes-faqs/

Just for info…and the difference between professional standing and established player.

[Mr Popodopolous]

6 hours ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

Really surprised how thick some of the Derby mob are on this. 

You are right but reading some of the takes since the charges in Jan 2020, perhaps as far back as the stadium sale was announced in April 2019 and varied stages in between...should we be?

The word some is an important one here though- I suppose many clubs have an outsized minority who are vocal- Clowes probably will do them some good based on bits I've read, should be a different profile of target etc for a while.

Edited July 2, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

 Some on the Derby forum- DCFC (Dopey Cockeyed Fuckwitted Clowns) Fans complaining about some vitriol on here is rich considering some of the shite and tirade of abuse at the EFL and a range of others on their site for the last 2.5 years. 

The most cretinous and objectionable fans at this level without a doubt as far as these matters go, for consistent Championship clubs...maybe I'll go to Derby v Wycombe away next season if it doesn't clash, combine it with a trip up North to see Northern mate.

Edited July 2, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[BTRFTG]

7 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said:

How much did they pay for the stadium?

£22m

[Davefevs]

Off and running….

or maybe not.

Surely they won’t get their opportunity to register a player wrong!!

[BTRFTG]

8 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Off and running….

or maybe not.

Surely they won’t get their opportunity to register a player wrong!!

Free transfer but goes back to a point I made previously is I thought there were levelling up measures against clubs who have gained an advantage over peers by entering administration. Anybody know how these are calculated as I fear they're made up on the fly?

[Davefevs]

20 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

Free transfer but goes back to a point I made previously is I thought there were levelling up measures against clubs who have gained an advantage over peers by entering administration. Anybody know how these are calculated as I fear they're made up on the fly?

I know going back some years when Bolton were first getting into trouble and placed under embargo, the limit for new signings was £600k p.a. (£12k p.w) which seemed a lot to me.

Last year we heard Reading were restricted to £8.5k p.w.  Mr P will confirm if I got that wrong.

But that is Champ, not sure if Lg1 restrictions are the same or not.

Until we read the lower level details it’s very hard to know whether they’ve gained an advantage or not.

[View from the Dolman]

And another one...

 

[Davefevs]

I quite like Wildsmith. Bit like Max though, never quite established himself as no1.

[BTRFTG]

54 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I know going back some years when Bolton were first getting into trouble and placed under embargo, the limit for new signings was £600k p.a. (£12k p.w) which seemed a lot to me.

Last year we heard Reading were restricted to £8.5k p.w.  Mr P will confirm if I got that wrong.

But that is Champ, not sure if Lg1 restrictions are the same or not.

Until we read the lower level details it’s very hard to know whether they’ve gained an advantage or not.

I thought if it was they gained £x advantage over the others then this was discounted at such rate such as a nominal value was assumed against transfers or period of time. Never sure how parity was supposedly endured. 

[REDOXO]

2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

 Some on the Derby forum- DCFC (Dopey Cockeyed Fuckwitted Clowns) Fans complaining about some vitriol on here is rich considering some of the shite and tirade of abuse at the EFL and a range of others on their site for the last 2.5 years. 

The most cretinous and objectionable fans at this level without a doubt as far as these matters go, for consistent Championship clubs...maybe I'll go to Derby v Wycombe away next season if it doesn't clash, combine it with a trip up North to see Northern mate.

And I thought they got relegated! 

[Davefevs]

Mendez-Laing 2 year deal too

[Mr Popodopolous]

May or may not be a futile exercise but saw this on another forum- the Wycombe one.

foi.request@hmrc.gov.uk

Given an overriding public interest in these troubled times, I doubt it gets anywhere but a mass email campaign may not be the worst thing but probably pie in the sky that it would occur. Companies get wound up over far smaller HMRC debts.

Edited July 3, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

All opposing managers should pin this up on the wall! Doesn't even make sense either as Middlesbrough and likely Wycombe will be getting or will have received some kinda compensation, Forest are PL.

Edited July 3, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[Lanterne Rouge]

33 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

All opposing managers should pin this up on the wall! Doesn't even make sense either as Middlesbrough and likely Wycombe will be getting or will have received some kinda compensation, Forest are PL.

They don`t really do humility do they? Nothing would give me greater pleasure than a League One bottom three of Derby, Ipswich and one club that shall not be named.

[Midred]

Any guesses for the badge behind Wycombe's? 

[Mr Popodopolous]

6 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

They don`t really do humility do they? Nothing would give me greater pleasure than a League One bottom three of Derby, Ipswich and one club that shall not be named.

They really don't. Yep, a trip to League 2 for that lot would be well deserved- 4 go down though, any preference for the last?

I'll be honest I moaned about Sheffield Wednesday in 2019 and 2020 and yes they got their -6 but Derby- wow. Sheffield Wednesday did overspend and did go down as a result of said -6 which saw justice done- but the social media by their fans is much more preferable than Derby last couple of years.

I was not unhappy when Sheffield Wednesday went down in 2020/21 as the -6 provided decisive- but in hindsight Derby over them any time!

Edited July 3, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[chinapig]

1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

They really don't. Yep, a trip to League 2 for that lot would be well deserved- 4 go down though, any preference for the last?

I'll be honest I moaned about Sheffield Wednesday in 2019 and 2020 and yes they got their -6 but Derby- wow. Sheffield Wednesday did overspend and did go down as a result of said -6 which saw justice done- but the social media by their fans is much more preferable than Derby last couple of years.

I saw not unhappy when Sheffield Wednesday went down in 2020/21 but in hindsight Derby over them any time!

I didn't see Sheff Wed fans coming up with special pleading, conspiracy thinking and the like. Reading fans accepted that their club got what it deserved.

Derby fans meanwhile have an odd mix of believing both that they are too important for the rules to apply to them and a poor innocent little club being victimised by all and sundry.

Now they've signed a couple of players they are predictably in Gas style piss the league mode. Mind you by the Rooney rule of thumb they still need to sign another 38!

[Mr Popodopolous]

15 minutes ago, chinapig said:

I didn't see Sheff Wed fans coming up with special pleading, conspiracy thinking and the like. Reading fans accepted that their club got what it deserved.

Derby fans meanwhile have an odd mix of believing both that they are too important for the rules to apply to them and a poor innocent little club being victimised by all and sundry.

Now they've signed a couple of players they are predictably in Gas style piss the league mode. Mind you by the Rooney rule of thumb they still need to sign another 38!

Oh don't get me wrong, when they were charged or when they thought they got away with it there was anger and jubilation respectively- defiance too but ultimately I think the vast majority in the accepted it for what it was- an FFP breach exacerbated by messing up the mechanism to get out of it. I was somewhat harsh on them at times tbh.

Yes- spot on. That is quite the two positions to simultaneously hold on their part! Massive cognitive dissonance.

"Signed"- but do they fit the criteria to be "registered"- if you note the signings and contract renewals/extensions on the website, they all say "subject to EFL Approval"- any more fun to be had?  

I digress, the Mendez-Laing one doesn't but the other 2 new signings and new contracts do.

Quote

"Please note that this player registration is subject to EFL approval."

Wonder if or when this will become a sticking point.

Edited July 3, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[chinapig]

4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Signed"- but do they fit the criteria to be "registered"- if you note the signings and contract renewals/extensions on the website, they all say "subject to EFL Approval"- any more fun to be h

Has the EFL actually issued a statement since the takeover? Clowes would have no problem proving funds nor passing the owners and directors test presumably but do we know if a business plan has been agreed? Perhaps I have missed something.

[Mr Popodopolous]

12 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Has the EFL actually issued a statement since the takeover? Clowes would have no problem proving funds nor passing the owners and directors test presumably but do we know if a business plan has been agreed? Perhaps I have missed something.

EFL on Friday when confirming the takeover said that Derby were able to sign players but that they remain under a Registration Embargo- said they could sign within the confines of the Business Plan but the detail of this Business Plan appears not to be in the public domain.

Two key paragraphs- arguably contradict each other, surprise! As to the plan, I'd say a fair solution would be no transfer fees payable, agents fees as 3% of renumeration- see Reading as an example, player wages not exceeding £5k or £6k per week- that kinda thing. Perhaps signing on fee wise to count towards the total of £5-6k per week ie if a player had a signing on fee of £100k then the actual wage could only be the remainder of £5-6k per week.

Quote

As part of the conditions of continuing membership in the EFL, the Club, whilst remaining under a registration embargo, will be permitted to sign new players in accordance with the terms of a business plan.

The plan, which has been jointly agreed by the new ownership and the EFL, includes restrictions in respect of transfers fees, player wages and agents’ fees. Any application to register players must comply with the terms of those agreed plans. 

https://www.efl.com/news/2022/july/efl-statement-derby-county-exit-administration/

Edited July 3, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[chinapig]

9 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

EFL on Friday when confirming the takeover said that Derby were able to sign players but that they remain under a Registration Embargo- said they could sign within the confines of the Business Plan but the detail of this Business Plan appears not to be in the public domain.

Two key paragraphs- arguably contradict each other, surprise! As to the plan, I'd say a fair solution would be no transfer fees payable, agents fees as 3% of renumeration- see Reading as an example, player wages not exceeding £5k or £6k per week- that kinda thing. Perhaps signing on fee wise to count towards the total of £5-6k per week ie if a player had a signing on fee of £100k then the actual wage could only be the remainder of £5-6k per week.

https://www.efl.com/news/2022/july/efl-statement-derby-county-exit-administration/

Thanks, I should have seen that. So they are going to have to prove compliance on a case by case basis. That's going to keep somebody busy.

[Mr Popodopolous]

10 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Thanks, I should have seen that. So they are going to have to prove compliance on a case by case basis. That's going to keep somebody busy.

It sure could! I think Reading have to go through 3 EFL departments for each new addition!  The Financial, the Legal and the Player Registration one- surely Derby would have similar?

https://star-reading.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/operations-strategic-meeting-14-June-2022.pdf

Edited July 3, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[chinapig]

1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

It sure could! I think Reading have to go through 3 EFL departments for each new addition!  The Financial, the Legal and the Player Registration one- surely Derby would have similar?

Assuming they have any staff left. The backroom staff who lost their jobs seem to have been rather forgotten.

[Mr Popodopolous]

4 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Assuming they have any staff left. The backroom staff who lost their jobs seem to have been rather forgotten.

Yes just one category of the many unspoken for, silent victims of this whole sorry saga- along with local creditors and the taxman.

Edited July 3, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

On the lighter- and shockingly football side. Maybe I will be a bit lighter, after all Derby got their FFP deduction, got relegated and still can't spend with pure freedom again. In a sense football wise justice done tbh so long as it continues to be in the sense of no swift shortcut.

Derby fans- wonder if they miss this guy.  

So far- his injury in 2020/21 aside and perhaps overplaying him for periods in that season reducing his effectiveness- their loss has been our gain overall.

No intent to go to Derby v Wycombe tbh- could have been a lively atmosphere, might still be but not close enough to the North West where my mate lives.

Edited July 4, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[chinapig]

On the Price of Football podcast today Kieran Maguire reckons the total amount Clowes paid was £60-£65m, with the stadium costing £22m.

That would mean he paid a staggering amount for the club, way beyond its intrinsic value.

Good news for the creditors, especially HMRC perhaps?

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, chinapig said:

On the Price of Football podcast today Kieran Maguire reckons the total amount Clowes paid was £60-£65m, with the stadium costing £22m.

That would mean he paid a staggering amount for the club, way beyond its intrinsic value.

Good news for the creditors, especially HMRC perhaps?

Gonna listen to that over lunch.

[chinapig]

17 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Gonna listen to that over lunch.

You'll enjoy the bit about him being public enemy no.1 with Derby fans for daring to point out to the EFL that their beloved Mel was a cheat.

[downendcity]

3 minutes ago, chinapig said:

You'll enjoy the bit about him being public enemy no.1 with Derby fans for daring to point out to the EFL that their beloved Mel was a cheat.

There's plenty in contention for that "honour" - a hard fought contest!

[chinapig]

8 minutes ago, downendcity said:

There's plenty in contention for that "honour" - a hard fought contest!

As Kevin Day points out on the podcast Morris must be disappointed that he worked so hard at being the villain but lost the contest.

[Davefevs]

 

[RedRaw]

Does that mean the forest fans can start calling them the 22’ers?

[Davefevs]

Have they paid Lech their stage payment for Joswiak yet?

Got some neck!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62048784

[Gillies Downs Leeds]

Just signed Conor Hourihane